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I am looking to get a new tv. A place has a 42 inch plasma and 42 inch LCD tv both on sale for $899. Which is better LCD or plasma?
I have a DLP and like it a lot
QUOTE (maxman44 @ Sep 5 2007, 09:16 AM) 
I have a DLP and like it a lot
I saw best buy had a 46 inch DLP for like 900 also but the resolution is not as good as the 42 inch ones the other place has.
I have a plasma, and chose it over LCD simply because I noticed in the store that the LCD left tracer or shadow images during sports/action scenes anytime there was rapid movement. If this doesn't bother you, LCD's have a longer life, you don't have to worry about screen burn, and they can be laid flat, where a plasma must always remain upright. Other than that I would say the picture is comparable.
Normally I'd say LCD because they last longer and are a little less prone to breaking/technical problems, but it depends on the company. Pioneer makes outstanding plasma TV's, probably my favorite TV's out there.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 5 2007, 03:10 AM)
I am looking to get a new tv. A place has a 42 inch plasma and 42 inch LCD tv both on sale for $899. Which is better LCD or plasma?
I would tell you this. I've learned that Plasma is the better quality for sports, video games and movies with LCD right behind.
I have a 42" LG plasma. Good tv great picture in HD. Plasma is prone to problems though so get the extended warranty you'll be happy you did.
How does DLP compare to plasma and LCD?
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 4 2007, 10:10 PM)
I am looking to get a new tv. A place has a 42 inch plasma and 42 inch LCD tv both on sale for $899. Which is better LCD or plasma?
Plasma is the best technology, but what are the specs for both tvs?
Give me response time, contrast ratio, resolution, etc. I'm pretty much a professional when it comes to HDTV's. Give me the links or something to the tv's, and I'll gladly show you which one is best.
So many people just say, "Ooh, a 42 inch LCD, looks good to me." When in fact, you can get so much more bang for your buck.
So please give me the links to the tv's, and I'll gladly show you which one is the better choice. And I probably can say right now, I can find you better deals, unless you so happened to pick the right tv.
And to you guys complaining about things wrong with your picture, it's because you buy a HDTV without getting a professional opinion about it. These aren't SDTV where you just buy the size you want, HDTV's have so much going into them and what you get really varies on what your habits are.
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 8 2007, 04:55 AM)
Plasma is the best technology, but what are the specs for both tvs?
Give me response time, contrast ratio, resolution, etc. I'm pretty much a professional when it comes to HDTV's. Give me the links or something to the tv's, and I'll gladly show you which one is best.
So many people just say, "Ooh, a 42 inch LCD, looks good to me." When in fact, you can get so much more bang for your buck.
So please give me the links to the tv's, and I'll gladly show you which one is the better choice. And I probably can say right now, I can find you better deals, unless you so happened to pick the right tv.
Give me response time, contrast ratio, resolution, etc. I'm pretty much a professional when it comes to HDTV's. Give me the links or something to the tv's, and I'll gladly show you which one is best.
So many people just say, "Ooh, a 42 inch LCD, looks good to me." When in fact, you can get so much more bang for your buck.
So please give me the links to the tv's, and I'll gladly show you which one is the better choice. And I probably can say right now, I can find you better deals, unless you so happened to pick the right tv.
The $899 ones are at the bottom.
http://www.vanvreedes.com/weekly_ad/081907a.pdf
This one is 10 percent off thru tomm.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Magnavox-50...roductDetail.do
This one is about the same price as the one at circut city after the discount but its a DLP instead of plasma.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=8306
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 7 2007, 06:00 PM)
The $899 ones are at the bottom.
http://www.vanvreedes.com/weekly_ad/081907a.pdf
This one is 10 percent off thru tomm.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Magnavox-50...roductDetail.do
This one is about the same price as the one at circut city after the discount but its a DLP instead of plasma.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=8306
http://www.vanvreedes.com/weekly_ad/081907a.pdf
This one is 10 percent off thru tomm.
http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Magnavox-50...roductDetail.do
This one is about the same price as the one at circut city after the discount but its a DLP instead of plasma.
http://www.samsclub.com/shopping/navigate....&pCatg=8306
The one in the ad doesn't show model number, so there's no way for me to see full specs.
The Mag-Plasma at Circuit City is alright for a plasma, it's really a bargain plasma. Some minor problems I have with it, is that it only comes with one HDMI port. And when buying a HDTV, one must consider the future.
Am I going to buy a Blu Ray or HD DVD player (depends on who wins)? Do I have or will I buy in the future a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3? These things use HDMI ports, among other things. I usually reccomend at least 2 ports, but you won't find 2 unless you want to go for better quality. If you want to stay cheap, and one is acceptable, if you do need more then one, there are these splitters. You can't run multiple devices at once off a 2-in-1 or 3-in-1 HDMI splitter, but what you do is you can have all your devices plugged into HDMI ports and use a remote control to switch them. These splitters cost a bit over $100.
Another thing is that it only can brodcast a 720p picture. Most networks do broadcast 720p anyways since the current lines available across the world are to small to handle the bigger files of 1080i or 1080p for that matter. But, when it comes to watching high definition movies or playing video games, you'll have the option for greater resolution, but you're tv will only support 720p.
And lastly, this plasma is made by Magnavox. The only manufacturers I'd trust with a plasma, is Panasonic or Pioneer. Buying this Magnavox plasma isn't worth your money. Yes, the plasma technology is better, but I want to assume your new to the HDTV world, and plasma might not be the best to start out with. If you want a plasma though, good quality at this range is going to come around $1800-2000 for good plasma's that 720p/1080i.
On to your Sam's Club tv, which is the 50 inch Samsung DLP. If you're going to get a DLP you've got the right brand. Samsung make the best DLP and LCD HDTV's.
When you buy a Samsung, the features they include in their HDTV's, like HDMI, PC inputs, etc. are pretty much universal for all their HDTV's. No different for this one. You've got a heck of a lot more inputs with this Samsung.
One minor problem I can see though is the 2500:1 contrast ratio. Good DLP's are going to be about 10000:1. And to make it simple terms, contrast ratio is a term to determine how many colors your HDTV can produce. The bigger the number, the much better color you're going to receive. My rule of thumb for people on a budget, is to try and aim for something around 5000:1. This is quite lower, but can be good for a starter, but not the best you can get.
If I had to rank these 2 HDTV's, I'd rank them as follows:
1) Samsung
2) Magnavox
But, I would have a real hard time to tell you to buy this Samsung because there's better deals out there. The best site out there to nab yourself a HDTV, is Amazon.com. That's where I got mine from, that's where my brother got his from. On pretty much all of Amazon's HDTV's, they're all slashed 25-40%, and it's not a sale, they've been like that for over a year. It's just that the HDTV market is starting to flow into the mainstream crowd, and prices can drop.
Please fill out the following and I'll find you an excellent buy:
What is your budget?
Do you play video games?
What size are you looking for?
Do this, because I really want to help you get the best HDTV your money can buy. If you're an avid gamer, you don't want gaming lag. If you're going for budget HDTV's, you don't want ghosting to happen, which is what an above poster explained happened to him.
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 8 2007, 06:49 AM)
The one in the ad doesn't show model number, so there's no way for me to see full specs.
The Mag-Plasma at Circuit City is alright for a plasma, it's really a bargain plasma. Some minor problems I have with it, is that it only comes with one HDMI port. And when buying a HDTV, one must consider the future.
Am I going to buy a Blu Ray or HD DVD player (depends on who wins)? Do I have or will I buy in the future a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3? These things use HDMI ports, among other things. I usually reccomend at least 2 ports, but you won't find 2 unless you want to go for better quality. If you want to stay cheap, and one is acceptable, if you do need more then one, there are these splitters. You can't run multiple devices at once off a 2-in-1 or 3-in-1 HDMI splitter, but what you do is you can have all your devices plugged into HDMI ports and use a remote control to switch them. These splitters cost a bit over $100.
Another thing is that it only can brodcast a 720p picture. Most networks do broadcast 720p anyways since the current lines available across the world are to small to handle the bigger files of 1080i or 1080p for that matter. But, when it comes to watching high definition movies or playing video games, you'll have the option for greater resolution, but you're tv will only support 720p.
And lastly, this plasma is made by Magnavox. The only manufacturers I'd trust with a plasma, is Panasonic or Pioneer. Buying this Magnavox plasma isn't worth your money. Yes, the plasma technology is better, but I want to assume your new to the HDTV world, and plasma might not be the best to start out with. If you want a plasma though, good quality at this range is going to come around $1800-2000 for good plasma's that 720p/1080i.
On to your Sam's Club tv, which is the 50 inch Samsung DLP. If you're going to get a DLP you've got the right brand. Samsung make the best DLP and LCD HDTV's.
When you buy a Samsung, the features they include in their HDTV's, like HDMI, PC inputs, etc. are pretty much universal for all their HDTV's. No different for this one. You've got a heck of a lot more inputs with this Samsung.
One minor problem I can see though is the 2500:1 contrast ratio. Good DLP's are going to be about 10000:1. And to make it simple terms, contrast ratio is a term to determine how many colors your HDTV can produce. The bigger the number, the much better color you're going to receive. My rule of thumb for people on a budget, is to try and aim for something around 5000:1. This is quite lower, but can be good for a starter, but not the best you can get.
If I had to rank these 2 HDTV's, I'd rank them as follows:
1) Samsung
2) Magnavox
But, I would have a real hard time to tell you to buy this Samsung because there's better deals out there. The best site out there to nab yourself a HDTV, is Amazon.com. That's where I got mine from, that's where my brother got his from. On pretty much all of Amazon's HDTV's, they're all slashed 25-40%, and it's not a sale, they've been like that for over a year. It's just that the HDTV market is starting to flow into the mainstream crowd, and prices can drop.
Please fill out the following and I'll find you an excellent buy:
What is your budget?
Do you play video games?
What size are you looking for?
Do this, because I really want to help you get the best HDTV your money can buy. If you're an avid gamer, you don't want gaming lag. If you're going for budget HDTV's, you don't want ghosting to happen, which is what an above poster explained happened to him.
The Mag-Plasma at Circuit City is alright for a plasma, it's really a bargain plasma. Some minor problems I have with it, is that it only comes with one HDMI port. And when buying a HDTV, one must consider the future.
Am I going to buy a Blu Ray or HD DVD player (depends on who wins)? Do I have or will I buy in the future a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3? These things use HDMI ports, among other things. I usually reccomend at least 2 ports, but you won't find 2 unless you want to go for better quality. If you want to stay cheap, and one is acceptable, if you do need more then one, there are these splitters. You can't run multiple devices at once off a 2-in-1 or 3-in-1 HDMI splitter, but what you do is you can have all your devices plugged into HDMI ports and use a remote control to switch them. These splitters cost a bit over $100.
Another thing is that it only can brodcast a 720p picture. Most networks do broadcast 720p anyways since the current lines available across the world are to small to handle the bigger files of 1080i or 1080p for that matter. But, when it comes to watching high definition movies or playing video games, you'll have the option for greater resolution, but you're tv will only support 720p.
And lastly, this plasma is made by Magnavox. The only manufacturers I'd trust with a plasma, is Panasonic or Pioneer. Buying this Magnavox plasma isn't worth your money. Yes, the plasma technology is better, but I want to assume your new to the HDTV world, and plasma might not be the best to start out with. If you want a plasma though, good quality at this range is going to come around $1800-2000 for good plasma's that 720p/1080i.
On to your Sam's Club tv, which is the 50 inch Samsung DLP. If you're going to get a DLP you've got the right brand. Samsung make the best DLP and LCD HDTV's.
When you buy a Samsung, the features they include in their HDTV's, like HDMI, PC inputs, etc. are pretty much universal for all their HDTV's. No different for this one. You've got a heck of a lot more inputs with this Samsung.
One minor problem I can see though is the 2500:1 contrast ratio. Good DLP's are going to be about 10000:1. And to make it simple terms, contrast ratio is a term to determine how many colors your HDTV can produce. The bigger the number, the much better color you're going to receive. My rule of thumb for people on a budget, is to try and aim for something around 5000:1. This is quite lower, but can be good for a starter, but not the best you can get.
If I had to rank these 2 HDTV's, I'd rank them as follows:
1) Samsung
2) Magnavox
But, I would have a real hard time to tell you to buy this Samsung because there's better deals out there. The best site out there to nab yourself a HDTV, is Amazon.com. That's where I got mine from, that's where my brother got his from. On pretty much all of Amazon's HDTV's, they're all slashed 25-40%, and it's not a sale, they've been like that for over a year. It's just that the HDTV market is starting to flow into the mainstream crowd, and prices can drop.
Please fill out the following and I'll find you an excellent buy:
What is your budget?
Do you play video games?
What size are you looking for?
Do this, because I really want to help you get the best HDTV your money can buy. If you're an avid gamer, you don't want gaming lag. If you're going for budget HDTV's, you don't want ghosting to happen, which is what an above poster explained happened to him.
What about this one it is 1499 and has 3 years no interest
http://bestbuy.shoplocal.com/bestbuy/defau...rvid%3d090207BA
I could help you out a lot better answering those questions, and you won't have to look for one.
Hitachi really aren't known for top of the line plasma's. If you're willing to spend that much, I can find you a very nice Panasonic or Pioneer one.
Just answer the questions man, I'll have you a perfect HDTV for you, I just need to know those 3 things.
Hitachi really aren't known for top of the line plasma's. If you're willing to spend that much, I can find you a very nice Panasonic or Pioneer one.
Just answer the questions man, I'll have you a perfect HDTV for you, I just need to know those 3 things.
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 8 2007, 06:49 AM)
What is your budget? top is around 1500-2000 financing perferred if possibleDo you play video games? Not really
What size are you looking for? prefer 50 inch
What size are you looking for? prefer 50 inch
I was also told too that if I spend that much cash I want to go 1080 and not 720
Ok, since I just got 2 PM's asking for HDTV help. I'm going to go ahead and put a little guide right now on things to look for.
Response Time: Video Game Player - 6ms or lower / Non VGP - 8ms or lower
Contrast Ratio: 5000:1 or higher (Reccomended)
Make sure there is a HDTV Tuner Included
HDMI: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Component: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Optical: 1 input (MUST)
Supported Modes of: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (buyers choice if they want 1080p, which is true HD)
And just overall think about things you'd want to plug in to the HDTV and make sure it has them.
Plasma's are the best out there. They offer the best black levels, whereas LCD's have some of the worst black levels out there. Plasma's have very high contrast ratio's and very fast response times. Whereas LCD's usually have average contrast ratios and almost below average response times.
Good 720p/1080i plasma's that are Pioneer or Panasonic are going to put you in that $1800 range. A 1080p Pioneer or Panasonic television is going to put you in the $3000 range, because I will NEVER reccomend anyone to buy a 1080p HDTV anything at or under 42", to much detail and quality is loss anything at or below that number.
If you buy a plasma, it MUST be Pioneer or Panasonic. No doubts about that.
If you buy a DLP or LCD, it MUST be a Samsung. There's no doubts about that.
Don't go cheap, you are not getting the bang for your buck. And for an investent like this, you don't want to fool yourself.
VIEWING DISTANCES:
See how far you sit away, these are the tv sizes that'd best suit your position...
8-15' Away - 60-65" TV
6-14' Away - 47-55" TV
3-8' Away - 26-34" TV
If you play video games, I would suggest not getting a plasma unless you're prepared to handle a plasma. Plasma's can be delicate. Watching something with a ticker? Don't sit on it to long, refresh the picture a bit by changing the channel. I say no to video games because most games have stationary objects that stay on the whole entire game, in one spot. I just don't like reccomending plasma's to people who don't have enough knowledge or experience of them.
LCD's are nice choices and I'm pretty sure 1080p 47" and up Samsungs, can be found on Amazon for that $2000 price range.
So if you can follow these simple guidelines, I'd be more then happy if anybody wanted to post a tv to get my opinion about it. I'm going to look for GB and have something before tommorrow morning is over for him. For the others that PM'ed me, follow this and I'll be happy to look at it for you but not find something for you. Sorry.
Response Time: Video Game Player - 6ms or lower / Non VGP - 8ms or lower
Contrast Ratio: 5000:1 or higher (Reccomended)
Make sure there is a HDTV Tuner Included
HDMI: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Component: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Optical: 1 input (MUST)
Supported Modes of: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (buyers choice if they want 1080p, which is true HD)
And just overall think about things you'd want to plug in to the HDTV and make sure it has them.
Plasma's are the best out there. They offer the best black levels, whereas LCD's have some of the worst black levels out there. Plasma's have very high contrast ratio's and very fast response times. Whereas LCD's usually have average contrast ratios and almost below average response times.
Good 720p/1080i plasma's that are Pioneer or Panasonic are going to put you in that $1800 range. A 1080p Pioneer or Panasonic television is going to put you in the $3000 range, because I will NEVER reccomend anyone to buy a 1080p HDTV anything at or under 42", to much detail and quality is loss anything at or below that number.
If you buy a plasma, it MUST be Pioneer or Panasonic. No doubts about that.
If you buy a DLP or LCD, it MUST be a Samsung. There's no doubts about that.
Don't go cheap, you are not getting the bang for your buck. And for an investent like this, you don't want to fool yourself.
VIEWING DISTANCES:
See how far you sit away, these are the tv sizes that'd best suit your position...
8-15' Away - 60-65" TV
6-14' Away - 47-55" TV
3-8' Away - 26-34" TV
If you play video games, I would suggest not getting a plasma unless you're prepared to handle a plasma. Plasma's can be delicate. Watching something with a ticker? Don't sit on it to long, refresh the picture a bit by changing the channel. I say no to video games because most games have stationary objects that stay on the whole entire game, in one spot. I just don't like reccomending plasma's to people who don't have enough knowledge or experience of them.
LCD's are nice choices and I'm pretty sure 1080p 47" and up Samsungs, can be found on Amazon for that $2000 price range.
So if you can follow these simple guidelines, I'd be more then happy if anybody wanted to post a tv to get my opinion about it. I'm going to look for GB and have something before tommorrow morning is over for him. For the others that PM'ed me, follow this and I'll be happy to look at it for you but not find something for you. Sorry.
Samsung LNT4661F 46" 1080p LCD HDTV - $1,954.88 w/free shipping on Amazon.com
1080p
10,000:1 Contrast Ratio
3 HDMI
2 Component
8ms Response Time
Samsung LNT4665F 46" 1080p LCD HDTV - $2,199.99 w/free shipping on Amazon.com
1080p
15,000:1 Contrast Ratio
3 HDMI
2 Component
8ms Response Time
The LNT4665F is definitely the best one. They are both 1080p, I made sure the HDTV's had this resolution because this is what I picked up from you, that I thought you wanted. If you can manage with 720p/1080i as well, tv's like this, you're talking probably $500 knocked off. 1080p on a HDTV will add about $500 more onto its price.
1080p
10,000:1 Contrast Ratio
3 HDMI
2 Component
8ms Response Time
Samsung LNT4665F 46" 1080p LCD HDTV - $2,199.99 w/free shipping on Amazon.com
1080p
15,000:1 Contrast Ratio
3 HDMI
2 Component
8ms Response Time
The LNT4665F is definitely the best one. They are both 1080p, I made sure the HDTV's had this resolution because this is what I picked up from you, that I thought you wanted. If you can manage with 720p/1080i as well, tv's like this, you're talking probably $500 knocked off. 1080p on a HDTV will add about $500 more onto its price.
I just prchased a 46" LCD Sony xbr 2 last weekend. It is replacing a 42" toshiba theaterwide floorstanding rear proj. model that is about 5 years old(still HD comp though). But this Sony is flat out off the wall (lets hope not for real)! I am typing this on it. About 10 feet from the unit. It is so friggin crystal clear. I had my eyes on it for the past 6 months but was not goign to pay over 3 grand for a TV...just not going to happen. 6 months later I got the TV I wanted for 2100 bucks.
Really anymore...I would not settle for anything less than 1080p. Prepare yourself for the future. Spend the little extra to get that...and you won't have to buy a TV for quite awhile. Just my 2 cents.
Really anymore...I would not settle for anything less than 1080p. Prepare yourself for the future. Spend the little extra to get that...and you won't have to buy a TV for quite awhile. Just my 2 cents.
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 8 2007, 01:38 AM)
Ok, since I just got 2 PM's asking for HDTV help. I'm going to go ahead and put a little guide right now on things to look for.
Response Time: Video Game Player - 6ms or lower / Non VGP - 8ms or lower
Contrast Ratio: 5000:1 or higher (Reccomended)
Make sure there is a HDTV Tuner Included
HDMI: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Component: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Optical: 1 input (MUST)
Supported Modes of: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (buyers choice if they want 1080p, which is true HD)
And just overall think about things you'd want to plug in to the HDTV and make sure it has them.
Plasma's are the best out there. They offer the best black levels, whereas LCD's have some of the worst black levels out there. Plasma's have very high contrast ratio's and very fast response times. Whereas LCD's usually have average contrast ratios and almost below average response times.
Good 720p/1080i plasma's that are Pioneer or Panasonic are going to put you in that $1800 range. A 1080p Pioneer or Panasonic television is going to put you in the $3000 range, because I will NEVER reccomend anyone to buy a 1080p HDTV anything at or under 42", to much detail and quality is loss anything at or below that number.
If you buy a plasma, it MUST be Pioneer or Panasonic. No doubts about that.
If you buy a DLP or LCD, it MUST be a Samsung. There's no doubts about that.
Don't go cheap, you are not getting the bang for your buck. And for an investent like this, you don't want to fool yourself.
VIEWING DISTANCES:
See how far you sit away, these are the tv sizes that'd best suit your position...
8-15' Away - 60-65" TV
6-14' Away - 47-55" TV
3-8' Away - 26-34" TV
If you play video games, I would suggest not getting a plasma unless you're prepared to handle a plasma. Plasma's can be delicate. Watching something with a ticker? Don't sit on it to long, refresh the picture a bit by changing the channel. I say no to video games because most games have stationary objects that stay on the whole entire game, in one spot. I just don't like reccomending plasma's to people who don't have enough knowledge or experience of them.
LCD's are nice choices and I'm pretty sure 1080p 47" and up Samsungs, can be found on Amazon for that $2000 price range.
So if you can follow these simple guidelines, I'd be more then happy if anybody wanted to post a tv to get my opinion about it. I'm going to look for GB and have something before tommorrow morning is over for him. For the others that PM'ed me, follow this and I'll be happy to look at it for you but not find something for you. Sorry.
Response Time: Video Game Player - 6ms or lower / Non VGP - 8ms or lower
Contrast Ratio: 5000:1 or higher (Reccomended)
Make sure there is a HDTV Tuner Included
HDMI: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Component: 1 input is a must, 2 inputs reccomended
Optical: 1 input (MUST)
Supported Modes of: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i (buyers choice if they want 1080p, which is true HD)
And just overall think about things you'd want to plug in to the HDTV and make sure it has them.
Plasma's are the best out there. They offer the best black levels, whereas LCD's have some of the worst black levels out there. Plasma's have very high contrast ratio's and very fast response times. Whereas LCD's usually have average contrast ratios and almost below average response times.
Good 720p/1080i plasma's that are Pioneer or Panasonic are going to put you in that $1800 range. A 1080p Pioneer or Panasonic television is going to put you in the $3000 range, because I will NEVER reccomend anyone to buy a 1080p HDTV anything at or under 42", to much detail and quality is loss anything at or below that number.
If you buy a plasma, it MUST be Pioneer or Panasonic. No doubts about that.
If you buy a DLP or LCD, it MUST be a Samsung. There's no doubts about that.
Don't go cheap, you are not getting the bang for your buck. And for an investent like this, you don't want to fool yourself.
VIEWING DISTANCES:
See how far you sit away, these are the tv sizes that'd best suit your position...
8-15' Away - 60-65" TV
6-14' Away - 47-55" TV
3-8' Away - 26-34" TV
If you play video games, I would suggest not getting a plasma unless you're prepared to handle a plasma. Plasma's can be delicate. Watching something with a ticker? Don't sit on it to long, refresh the picture a bit by changing the channel. I say no to video games because most games have stationary objects that stay on the whole entire game, in one spot. I just don't like reccomending plasma's to people who don't have enough knowledge or experience of them.
LCD's are nice choices and I'm pretty sure 1080p 47" and up Samsungs, can be found on Amazon for that $2000 price range.
So if you can follow these simple guidelines, I'd be more then happy if anybody wanted to post a tv to get my opinion about it. I'm going to look for GB and have something before tommorrow morning is over for him. For the others that PM'ed me, follow this and I'll be happy to look at it for you but not find something for you. Sorry.
I believe most of your information is outdated. Plasmas do not get burn in really anymore. That has been taken care of with any TV of quality. If you find you have burn in, very unlikely, you can do the old style degaussing procedure. FUrther, most people in the know realize plasmas are much better for gaming because of the response time (which really only matters in gaming) and the fact you do not get as much smearing/ghosting in rapid video changing scenes. New LCD's have started eliminating this but not all have.
Your 1 optical is a must seems very questionable. TV's do not have high quality internal amps so why worry about this?
HDTV tuner included also seems weird. Most people use a set top box (cable or sattelite) so this is a non issue.
Your brand name recommendations seem very questionable. Many companies make very good TV's. They have good brand recognition but honestly none of those listed would be in the top 5 of quality tv's. One of the best bang for your buck TV's is a 37" LCD Visio (Even some 37" LCD visios are btter than others). If you look, you can find Marantz or many of the highest quality video companies at the same price points. I find most people don't even know who the best TV companies are. A good place to look with people who are very knowledgeable is www.avsforum.com.
As far as 720p vs1080p, if you watch at over 10 feet away, you lose your advantage of 1080p on tv's under 47".
Ultimately, compare your tv's side by side. Make sure they have a discreet video stream. Watch something you would normally watch so you can get a good idea. What looks good to me may not look good to you.
After you have your TV, get it set up properly. There are guides at www.avsforums.com for that as well.
The next thing to consider is wiring. This can get very confusing Personally I prefer component except where I have to use hdmi in Blue ray. I am sure that this last comment will definately ignite a firestorm.
I know you are trying to help, but this is not very good advice. Especially when it comes to helping someone who is going to be making a large purchase.
The internet is a great resource. Ultimately trust your eyes, they will be doing the watching after all. Hit up trusted websites like avsforums and you will learn more than you will ever wish you knew.
Many LCDs that are being brought out are starting to come with the 120hz refresh rate that virtually eliminates smear. But, as far as Comp.(RGB) input...I'd have to agree myself. Digital isn't always better.
I believe most of your information is outdated. Plasmas do not get burn in really anymore. That has been taken care of with any TV of quality. If you find you have burn in, very unlikely, you can do the old style degaussing procedure.
I beg to differ. Plasma's still suffer from burn in. No it doesn't take as long to "break it in", but you do have to be careful with it for the first 3 months or so.
FUrther, most people in the know realize plasmas are much better for gaming because of the response time (which really only matters in gaming) and the fact you do not get as much smearing/ghosting in rapid video changing scenes.
Of course plasma's are better for gaming, but because almost all games have some type of heads up display. Burn in has not been taken care of, as I have encountered a few people in the past couple of months that have bought plasma's unaware of burn in, and now have stuff from their video games burned in.
New LCD's have started eliminating this but not all have.
A response time of 6ms is perfectly fine for video games. 8ms is pushing it but should still definitely work. There's always been LCD's that have eliminated problems, it's just called researching and making sure you buy the right one.
Your 1 optical is a must seems very questionable. TV's do not have high quality internal amps so why worry about this?
Because you're going to get the best sound from optical cable.
HDTV tuner included also seems weird. Most people use a set top box (cable or sattelite) so this is a non issue.
I use a set top box as well. But just because you MIGHT, doesn't mean you won't need it. When buying a HDTV, it's very important to think of the future. You have no clue what you might need. In fact, before I moved I didn't have to buy a HD package since I was able to pull all the HD channels I wanted from the air. You just never know.
Your brand name recommendations seem very questionable. Many companies make very good TV's. They have good brand recognition but honestly none of those listed would be in the top 5 of quality tv's.
This is just absurd. Anybody associated with HDTV's, knows quite well that Pioneer and Panasonic are the best plasma's out there and Samsung make the best LCD's. I'm not saying don't buy anything else, but I reccomend these as your first choices to see if you can find the tv for you.
One of the best bang for your buck TV's is a 37" LCD Visio (Even some 37" LCD visios are btter than others).
Vizio tv's are budget brands. I'm not knocking on it at all, because I've pointed a couple people towards Vizio's, but it's when you want to go cheap. But not anymore. Samsung's are getting so cheap now, that they are actually competing with the highlight of Vizio's tv's, the low price. Vizio's can still be good, but are a budget brand nonetheless.
As far as 720p vs1080p, if you watch at over 10 feet away, you lose your advantage of 1080p on tv's under 47".
That's why I don't like 1080p tv's at the 42" range. The high 40 inchers is the lowest I would ever reccomend for 1080p, and even I don't like doing that unless the people are set on 1080p.
And comparing tv's side by side? In a store? Yeah right. When a store puts a tv on display, the settings are intentionally altered to make it "brighter" to lure in uneducated HDTV buyers that it looks better then another one, since they don't know what to look for.
The next thing to consider is wiring. This can get very confusing Personally I prefer component except where I have to use hdmi in Blue ray. I am sure that this last comment will definately ignite a firestorm.
I know you are trying to help, but this is not very good advice. Especially when it comes to helping someone who is going to be making a large purchase.
The internet is a great resource. Ultimately trust your eyes, they will be doing the watching after all.
Wiring is not confusing at all. But if you can use HDMI over component do it. Component keeps the video and audio mixed up. HDMI keeps audio and video seperate, making better quality. Optical is still better quality sound over HDMI though.
Do not tell me I'm giving bad advice. I've been helping people get HDTV's for a very long time, and not one thing as ever gone wrong with their tv nor has any of them complained about their purchase.
I beg to differ. Plasma's still suffer from burn in. No it doesn't take as long to "break it in", but you do have to be careful with it for the first 3 months or so.
FUrther, most people in the know realize plasmas are much better for gaming because of the response time (which really only matters in gaming) and the fact you do not get as much smearing/ghosting in rapid video changing scenes.
Of course plasma's are better for gaming, but because almost all games have some type of heads up display. Burn in has not been taken care of, as I have encountered a few people in the past couple of months that have bought plasma's unaware of burn in, and now have stuff from their video games burned in.
New LCD's have started eliminating this but not all have.
A response time of 6ms is perfectly fine for video games. 8ms is pushing it but should still definitely work. There's always been LCD's that have eliminated problems, it's just called researching and making sure you buy the right one.
Your 1 optical is a must seems very questionable. TV's do not have high quality internal amps so why worry about this?
Because you're going to get the best sound from optical cable.
HDTV tuner included also seems weird. Most people use a set top box (cable or sattelite) so this is a non issue.
I use a set top box as well. But just because you MIGHT, doesn't mean you won't need it. When buying a HDTV, it's very important to think of the future. You have no clue what you might need. In fact, before I moved I didn't have to buy a HD package since I was able to pull all the HD channels I wanted from the air. You just never know.
Your brand name recommendations seem very questionable. Many companies make very good TV's. They have good brand recognition but honestly none of those listed would be in the top 5 of quality tv's.
This is just absurd. Anybody associated with HDTV's, knows quite well that Pioneer and Panasonic are the best plasma's out there and Samsung make the best LCD's. I'm not saying don't buy anything else, but I reccomend these as your first choices to see if you can find the tv for you.
One of the best bang for your buck TV's is a 37" LCD Visio (Even some 37" LCD visios are btter than others).
Vizio tv's are budget brands. I'm not knocking on it at all, because I've pointed a couple people towards Vizio's, but it's when you want to go cheap. But not anymore. Samsung's are getting so cheap now, that they are actually competing with the highlight of Vizio's tv's, the low price. Vizio's can still be good, but are a budget brand nonetheless.
As far as 720p vs1080p, if you watch at over 10 feet away, you lose your advantage of 1080p on tv's under 47".
That's why I don't like 1080p tv's at the 42" range. The high 40 inchers is the lowest I would ever reccomend for 1080p, and even I don't like doing that unless the people are set on 1080p.
And comparing tv's side by side? In a store? Yeah right. When a store puts a tv on display, the settings are intentionally altered to make it "brighter" to lure in uneducated HDTV buyers that it looks better then another one, since they don't know what to look for.
The next thing to consider is wiring. This can get very confusing Personally I prefer component except where I have to use hdmi in Blue ray. I am sure that this last comment will definately ignite a firestorm.
I know you are trying to help, but this is not very good advice. Especially when it comes to helping someone who is going to be making a large purchase.
The internet is a great resource. Ultimately trust your eyes, they will be doing the watching after all.
Wiring is not confusing at all. But if you can use HDMI over component do it. Component keeps the video and audio mixed up. HDMI keeps audio and video seperate, making better quality. Optical is still better quality sound over HDMI though.
Do not tell me I'm giving bad advice. I've been helping people get HDTV's for a very long time, and not one thing as ever gone wrong with their tv nor has any of them complained about their purchase.
Component....does not have "audio and video mixed up"! Component is about as clean of an analog video signal you can get. Due to the fact that the video source keeps the Red, Greens, and Blues sperate. It isn't like composite or s-video where the TV has to break the signal apart to sperate the color.
If your signal is true to the orginal in an analog format...I'd use that any day over digital. Due to analog not being compressed. You get a true "full" reproduction of what was recorded. But...the thing about analog(compnent, composite, and s-video) it can be more prone ito interference and signal degration. That is why digital is so popular. It is a "clean" way of doing things. But to digitize something....there is always some form of loss from compression when converting to digital.
But what I think he was getting at with the optical comment was...most people will never take an optical signal from a TV...nor send one to a TV. Due to most people having a box that is hooked into some sort of sound system. I use optical to send the audio from my box to my amp...but use HDMI and component to send video to my TV (VGA cable for computer). My TV has zero audio connections going to it or coming from it (other than the HDMI connection).
If your signal is true to the orginal in an analog format...I'd use that any day over digital. Due to analog not being compressed. You get a true "full" reproduction of what was recorded. But...the thing about analog(compnent, composite, and s-video) it can be more prone ito interference and signal degration. That is why digital is so popular. It is a "clean" way of doing things. But to digitize something....there is always some form of loss from compression when converting to digital.
But what I think he was getting at with the optical comment was...most people will never take an optical signal from a TV...nor send one to a TV. Due to most people having a box that is hooked into some sort of sound system. I use optical to send the audio from my box to my amp...but use HDMI and component to send video to my TV (VGA cable for computer). My TV has zero audio connections going to it or coming from it (other than the HDMI connection).
When I say mixed up, I mean it's transmitted through one signal, the audio and video. In HDMI the audio and video is 2 different signals, and after using both ways, I prefer the audio from a HDMI source. But, optical rules them both anyways.
My box does not support optical, also before I moved I didn't even have a box because I pulled HD signals off the air. Therefore, I use optical. I reccomend a optical input on your tv because you just never know.
My box does not support optical, also before I moved I didn't even have a box because I pulled HD signals off the air. Therefore, I use optical. I reccomend a optical input on your tv because you just never know.
Component (RGB)does not have audio. It is purely a video signal. It has no bearing on the audio at all. HDMI has more to do with audio than component. Due to it being one interface for video and audio. There are virtaully six ways to transmit video that are common. Analog - Coax cable, composite, S-video, and component. Digital...DVI, HDMI. The two sources that carry audio are coax and HDMI. HDMI video and audio is seperate...but is contained in one connection. But...to make my point component does not carry any audio signal within it. You need a sperate audio connection for it.
My son is the top salesman for Magnolia Home Theatre in Appleton.
I don't nned to understand all the technical stuff.
He gets me the best stuff at employee prices!
(I don't need to tell you the mark-up on ths high end stuff and the cables are practically free!)
He sets up everything for me too! All I do is watch and enjoy!
I don't nned to understand all the technical stuff.
He gets me the best stuff at employee prices!
(I don't need to tell you the mark-up on ths high end stuff and the cables are practically free!)
He sets up everything for me too! All I do is watch and enjoy!
QUOTE (favre95 @ Sep 8 2007, 03:36 PM)
Component (RGB)does not have audio. It is purely a video signal. It has no bearing on the audio at all. HDMI has more to do with audio than component. Due to it being one interface for video and audio. There are virtaully six ways to transmit video that are common. Analog - Coax cable, composite, S-video, and component. Digital...DVI, HDMI. The two sources that carry audio are coax and HDMI. HDMI video and audio is seperate...but is contained in one connection. But...to make my point component does not carry any audio signal within it. You need a sperate audio connection for it.
Component does to have audio. I've got compnent cables that I got from Charter, I've got component cables that came with my Xbox 360, and I've got component cables for my Playstation 3. They all have the same 5 colored plugs as seen as below...
If I didn't have all 3 devices hooked up with optical through my surround sound, I would use the component red/white cables.
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 8 2007, 08:08 PM)
Component does to have audio. I've got compnent cables that I got from Charter, I've got component cables that came with my Xbox 360, and I've got component cables for my Playstation 3. They all have the same 5 colored plugs as seen as below...
If I didn't have all 3 devices hooked up with optical through my surround sound, I would use the component red/white cables.
If I didn't have all 3 devices hooked up with optical through my surround sound, I would use the component red/white cables.
Component does not have Audio. What you are showing is a component cable that also has an analog audio cable attached. I have an xbox plug that has component (red, green, blue) and optical.
As far as the best plasma displays, Best Buy doesn't even sell the true top brands. just because Vizio is cheap, does not mean that some (Not all are good, they can be hit or miss) don't outperform others.
As far as comparing side by side, that is why I said to make sure they have discreet video signals. Find a good quality store and you should be O.K.
Vots, please do not take this as a personal attack. I love reading yoru posts and agree with most of your Packer possts. You are one of the better people around here. I am just very passionate about A/V. I do Home automation and home theater design as a side business. I am less knowledgeable about the particulars of plasma and LCD, I prefer front projection as it is cheaper and higher quality, but I know enough to be dangerous. IMO if you look at your TV and you are happy with what you paid and you love the picture, you got a great deal. There will always be something newer or better but the day you let someone else determine your enjoyment factor, is a very sad day.
http://www.secondact.com/c=Hf4Osv0rBXvcmdF..._size.50____59_
I just happened to stumble accross this site. They are refurbished tvs but you buy a extra warrenty 3 or 5 years. Would any of you buy one of these even if you got the extened warrenty?
I just happened to stumble accross this site. They are refurbished tvs but you buy a extra warrenty 3 or 5 years. Would any of you buy one of these even if you got the extened warrenty?
Ok after doing studying I have narrowed it down to these three.
The Hitachi is 1080i and the LG is 720P the sony is 1080P. I have been told there is not a lot of difference between 1080i and 720p and that for the same price it is better to go with the LG. I was also told that that no one broadcasts in 1080p yet so it a waste of extra money to get that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1169512522404
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;js...d=1169512781854
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1179876485825
The Hitachi is 1080i and the LG is 720P the sony is 1080P. I have been told there is not a lot of difference between 1080i and 720p and that for the same price it is better to go with the LG. I was also told that that no one broadcasts in 1080p yet so it a waste of extra money to get that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1169512522404
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;js...d=1169512781854
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1179876485825
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 16 2007, 12:55 PM)
Ok after doing studying I have narrowed it down to these three.
The Hitachi is 1080i and the LG is 720P the sony is 1080P. I have been told there is not a lot of difference between 1080i and 720p and that for the same price it is better to go with the LG. I was also told that that no one broadcasts in 1080p yet so it a waste of extra money to get that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1169512522404
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;js...d=1169512781854
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1179876485825
The Hitachi is 1080i and the LG is 720P the sony is 1080P. I have been told there is not a lot of difference between 1080i and 720p and that for the same price it is better to go with the LG. I was also told that that no one broadcasts in 1080p yet so it a waste of extra money to get that.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1169512522404
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp;js...d=1169512781854
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1179876485825
1080p really isn't a waste of money. Obviously no one broadcasts in it yet because of the huge file sizes of the resolution, but in 5 years that may not be the case anymore.
Also, if you purchase a Blu Ray player down the road, it's going to mean that much more. And also if you purchase a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 down the road, games in Full HD is going to make your experience top notch.
Think about the future. If this HDTV isn't going to last you more then 5 years where tv signals will be able to come in as 1080p, and the DVD format will be phased out for Blu Ray, and Xbox 360/Playstation 3 will be much cheaper with the next generation of video game consoles on the horizon, then yes, 1080p would be a waste to you.
If you can afford a 1080p HDTV, and future things that utilize 1080p might be in your possesion down the road, get it.
QUOTE (Vots @ Sep 17 2007, 04:10 AM)
1080p really isn't a waste of money. Obviously no one broadcasts in it yet because of the huge file sizes of the resolution, but in 5 years that may not be the case anymore.
Also, if you purchase a Blu Ray player down the road, it's going to mean that much more. And also if you purchase a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 down the road, games in Full HD is going to make your experience top notch.
Think about the future. If this HDTV isn't going to last you more then 5 years where tv signals will be able to come in as 1080p, and the DVD format will be phased out for Blu Ray, and Xbox 360/Playstation 3 will be much cheaper with the next generation of video game consoles on the horizon, then yes, 1080p would be a waste to you.
If you can afford a 1080p HDTV, and future things that utilize 1080p might be in your possesion down the road, get it.
Also, if you purchase a Blu Ray player down the road, it's going to mean that much more. And also if you purchase a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3 down the road, games in Full HD is going to make your experience top notch.
Think about the future. If this HDTV isn't going to last you more then 5 years where tv signals will be able to come in as 1080p, and the DVD format will be phased out for Blu Ray, and Xbox 360/Playstation 3 will be much cheaper with the next generation of video game consoles on the horizon, then yes, 1080p would be a waste to you.
If you can afford a 1080p HDTV, and future things that utilize 1080p might be in your possesion down the road, get it.
Well I went into BB tonight convinced on getting the Hitachi. Well I was in there and was looking at the DLP and they had one on sale 65 inch Toshisba for 1699 well it was the last one floor model. they had it marked down too 1599. I make them a offer of 1499 and they take it. I got the extended warrenty just to play it say so in all I paid 1750 before tax. This is the one I bought.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1171058029317
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 16 2007, 05:46 PM)
Well I went into BB tonight convinced on getting the Hitachi. Well I was in there and was looking at the DLP and they had one on sale 65 inch Toshisba for 1699 well it was the last one floor model. they had it marked down too 1599. I make them a offer of 1499 and they take it. I got the extended warrenty just to play it say so in all I paid 1750 before tax. This is the one I bought.
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1171058029317
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?sk...d=1171058029317
You know that Toshiba is no longer making DLP sets...
QUOTE (ajg @ Sep 17 2007, 01:27 AM)
You know that Toshiba is no longer making DLP sets...
This is an argument I have with my friend ALL the time. He insists that DLP is not going to die out and that it is the better technology. Now, not to get into a war about what is better. But, lets be honest folks. DLP is a projection technology. For a "TV set" rear projection is well on it's way out IMHO. I am not saying it is a bad technology...cause it isn't. But...rear projection sets are bulky and really take up a ton of room. When I argue with him...I am always saying. "Go into any store that sells TVs...look around, see how many projection sets are still being sold". There are no longer displays full of RPTVs. It is all flat panel for the most part. Yes...flat panel...as with most newer technolgies has its downfalls. But, the market and the R&D is going into flat panel models....period. Like I said...DLP is not a bad technology. It is very affordable...for a very large screen. But...the market is just going to flat panel. There are a few companies trying to make a "flat panel" DLP set...but I have not heard much about it lately. I really do think it is a lost cause....but that is my opinion. DLP and LCD still have a war going on front projection...but rear projection in my opinion will be off of store shelves in the next few years. To add to that...I think Plasma will follow suit a few years later.
Remember this is just my opinion...from what I see going into electronic stores.
Got my HD hooked up and man what a clear sharp picture. Comparing it to the regular tv its like comparing spam to a steak! Only thing that sucks is that charter does not carry FOX in HD so I will not get to see the Packers in HD unless it is a CBS game or Monday or sunday night games.
Do you have a station that carrys FOX over the air? If so...you should be able to get it in HD.
QUOTE (favre95 @ Sep 30 2007, 11:18 AM)
Do you have a station that carrys FOX over the air? If so...you should be able to get it in HD.
I have Charter and I was told that Fox wants to much money for them to carry Fox's HD signal.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 30 2007, 11:43 AM)
I have Charter and I was told that Fox wants to much money for them to carry Fox's HD signal.
What is charter? Your cable service? If so...there should still "by theory" be a "local" channel that carries FOX over the broadcast. That is actually how I get some of my HD channels. Just from broadcast. I don't know if FOX is broadcast in your area. But...I would think they would be??
QUOTE (favre95 @ Sep 17 2007, 01:53 PM)
This is an argument I have with my friend ALL the time. He insists that DLP is not going to die out and that it is the better technology. Now, not to get into a war about what is better. But, lets be honest folks. DLP is a projection technology. For a "TV set" rear projection is well on it's way out IMHO. I am not saying it is a bad technology...cause it isn't. But...rear projection sets are bulky and really take up a ton of room. When I argue with him...I am always saying. "Go into any store that sells TVs...look around, see how many projection sets are still being sold". There are no longer displays full of RPTVs. It is all flat panel for the most part. Yes...flat panel...as with most newer technolgies has its downfalls. But, the market and the R&D is going into flat panel models....period. Like I said...DLP is not a bad technology. It is very affordable...for a very large screen. But...the market is just going to flat panel. There are a few companies trying to make a "flat panel" DLP set...but I have not heard much about it lately. I really do think it is a lost cause....but that is my opinion. DLP and LCD still have a war going on front projection...but rear projection in my opinion will be off of store shelves in the next few years. To add to that...I think Plasma will follow suit a few years later.
Remember this is just my opinion...from what I see going into electronic stores.
Remember this is just my opinion...from what I see going into electronic stores.
I agree with you for the most part - but why do you think plasma's will follow suit? You think LCD's will be the only technology on the market? IMO plasma tv's look a LOT better than LCD's...
But, as resolutions go up (1080p) and prices drop on flat panels, I think you'll see less DLP tv's in peoples homes. I don't beleive they're "bulky" per se, but really, if you can get a high resolution with the brightness of a plasma for a good price, it's pretty much a no brainer IMO..
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Oct 1 2007, 12:42 AM)
I agree with you for the most part - but why do you think plasma's will follow suit? You think LCD's will be the only technology on the market? IMO plasma tv's look a LOT better than LCD's...
But, as resolutions go up (1080p) and prices drop on flat panels, I think you'll see less DLP tv's in peoples homes. I don't beleive they're "bulky" per se, but really, if you can get a high resolution with the brightness of a plasma for a good price, it's pretty much a no brainer IMO..
But, as resolutions go up (1080p) and prices drop on flat panels, I think you'll see less DLP tv's in peoples homes. I don't beleive they're "bulky" per se, but really, if you can get a high resolution with the brightness of a plasma for a good price, it's pretty much a no brainer IMO..
Just from my observations of going into stores. There are far more LCD TVs than plasma TVs. Plasma, you don't even see in the smaller flat panel displays anymore. Plasma, I would say, you see more in the larger screens where the LCD market is still being developed. I really think plasma will go by the way side after LCD really begins to develop there. I think manf. still see the demand in the plasma market for big flat panel, high contrast displays which LCD can't really touch yet in that respect. But it will eventually develop and I think plasma will eventually fade out. Just my opinion though.
QUOTE (favre95 @ Oct 1 2007, 01:32 PM)
Just from my observations of going into stores. There are far more LCD TVs than plasma TVs. Plasma, you don't even see in the smaller flat panel displays anymore. Plasma, I would say, you see more in the larger screens where the LCD market is still being developed. I really think plasma will go by the way side after LCD really begins to develop there. I think manf. still see the demand in the plasma market for big flat panel, high contrast displays which LCD can't really touch yet in that respect. But it will eventually develop and I think plasma will eventually fade out. Just my opinion though.
The reason you don't see smaller plasma's is because THAT's the LCD market - not 42" and above...that's plasma and DLP/RP territory. LCD's were never meant to be made that big, and it shows in their picture quality. Will they develop? I'm sure they will, but at a cost. And why would you pay another grand when you could just buy a plasma for less with an equal or better picture quality.
QUOTE (GBP4EVER @ Sep 30 2007, 12:43 PM)
I have Charter and I was told that Fox wants to much money for them to carry Fox's HD signal.
Charter is irrelevant. You should be able to pick up a broadcast over the airwaves. In fact I believe the government in a striking move of socialism has mandated that stations will have to broadcast HD over the air by some time in 2008. That means you should be able to pick up HD signals with a compatible antenea.
Yet they don't push meaningfull legislature through so quickly... but I digress.
QUOTE (dulouz @ Oct 2 2007, 05:20 AM)
Charter is irrelevant. You should be able to pick up a broadcast over the airwaves. In fact I believe the government in a striking move of socialism has mandated that stations will have to broadcast HD over the air by some time in 2008. That means you should be able to pick up HD signals with a compatible antenea.
Yet they don't push meaningfull legislature through so quickly... but I digress.
Yet they don't push meaningfull legislature through so quickly... but I digress.
It is January 2009 but if the station sending out the Fox signal does not send it out in HD you can not get it. Right now to get HD for cable you need a HD convertor box for your HD tv. Also you need to sign up for there HD channel package right now charter has only about 10-15 channels in HD and fox is ot one of them.
QUOTE (Heatseeker @ Oct 1 2007, 05:12 PM)
The reason you don't see smaller plasma's is because THAT's the LCD market - not 42" and above...that's plasma and DLP/RP territory. LCD's were never meant to be made that big, and it shows in their picture quality. Will they develop? I'm sure they will, but at a cost. And why would you pay another grand when you could just buy a plasma for less with an equal or better picture quality.
I wouldn't really say "they were never meant to be that big". Cause that is something that can't be proven.
I have to disagree...the reason plasma is not in the smaller versions is that there is no market there for it. It is not a matter of LCD "looking better" at the smaller display or plasma "looking better" with a bigger display. Money dictates what is made and what is not made. There is NO market for plasma in 42" and below. As soon as the technology becomes affordable at 42" and above for LCD(which in my opinion it is already there)...everyone and their mom will be buying LCD up. I really believe that. Just watch over the next 12-24 months. Plasma will become fewer and fewer. That is already what is happening IMO compared to a year or so ago. . DLP is about ready to exit the market. Many companies are already pulling R&D money on DLP technologies.
Look at it this way. What are most computer displays made of? The market....for plasma is gonna die because of that. LCD is in abundance. It is used everywhere. Plasma is not. It has too many "funky" characteristics about it.
Please remember..this is my opinion...nothing else. But, I firmly believe that plasma in about 5 or so years will not really be sold anymore. LCD may not too if a new technology comes to surface. But...LCD is getting most of the R&D money that companies are investing into right now.
QUOTE (favre95 @ Oct 1 2007, 11:11 PM)
I wouldn't really say "they were never meant to be that big". Cause that is something that can't be proven.
I have to disagree...the reason plasma is not in the smaller versions is that there is no market there for it. It is not a matter of LCD "looking better" at the smaller display or plasma "looking better" with a bigger display. Money dictates what is made and what is not made. There is NO market for plasma in 42" and below. As soon as the technology becomes affordable at 42" and above for LCD(which in my opinion it is already there)...everyone and their mom will be buying LCD up. I really believe that. Just watch over the next 12-24 months. Plasma will become fewer and fewer. That is already what is happening IMO compared to a year or so ago. . DLP is about ready to exit the market. Many companies are already pulling R&D money on DLP technologies.
Look at it this way. What are most computer displays made of? The market....for plasma is gonna die because of that. LCD is in abundance. It is used everywhere. Plasma is not. It has too many "funky" characteristics about it.
Please remember..this is my opinion...nothing else. But, I firmly believe that plasma in about 5 or so years will not really be sold anymore. LCD may not too if a new technology comes to surface. But...LCD is getting most of the R&D money that companies are investing into right now.
I have to disagree...the reason plasma is not in the smaller versions is that there is no market there for it. It is not a matter of LCD "looking better" at the smaller display or plasma "looking better" with a bigger display. Money dictates what is made and what is not made. There is NO market for plasma in 42" and below. As soon as the technology becomes affordable at 42" and above for LCD(which in my opinion it is already there)...everyone and their mom will be buying LCD up. I really believe that. Just watch over the next 12-24 months. Plasma will become fewer and fewer. That is already what is happening IMO compared to a year or so ago. . DLP is about ready to exit the market. Many companies are already pulling R&D money on DLP technologies.
Look at it this way. What are most computer displays made of? The market....for plasma is gonna die because of that. LCD is in abundance. It is used everywhere. Plasma is not. It has too many "funky" characteristics about it.
Please remember..this is my opinion...nothing else. But, I firmly believe that plasma in about 5 or so years will not really be sold anymore. LCD may not too if a new technology comes to surface. But...LCD is getting most of the R&D money that companies are investing into right now.
I've actually been told that by several people in the industry about LCD's, that's where I got my info from - and one of them is the manager at Flanners (in Brookfield) who I'd trust to know his stuff. Either way, there are plenty of viable options out there which really makes it a win-win for the consumer right now. DLP's will still be an inexpensive option with a great picture and available in large sizes while flat-panels will battle it out and offer their own pluses and minuses.
Here are a few articles that elude to plasma dying out. Yes...everyone has their opinions. But...just look at the market right now. It is just flooded with LCD. The niche market plasma has left is the huge displays. Which will soon give way to LCD. But...mark my word...DLP or any type of rear projection sets for that matter, will be dead(market wise) in the very near future.
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainm...a-tv-177103.php
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Plasma-Disp...CDs-62611.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232100,00.html
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/home-entertainm...a-tv-177103.php
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Plasma-Disp...CDs-62611.shtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,232100,00.html
I hear you....
I will say this, the new Samsung 1080P LCD's look AMAZING.
I will say this, the new Samsung 1080P LCD's look AMAZING.
speaking purely as a consumer who has been salivating over these things and waiting for the technology to mature, the plasmas have always looked better to me. i have done tons of research and i know all the pluses and minuses of each technology, but solely on the basis of what looks best to my eyes, the plasmas have richer colors, blacker blacks, better contrast, and far fewer motion artifacts. having said that, it is clear that the market is rapidly adopting the lcd as the defecto standard. it would not be the first time that the general public decided to go with the technology that offered inferior quality. back in the days of beta vs vhs, beta had a much better picture and vastly superior audio. but the public chose vhs.
I tried real hard to look at plasma. But, my new Sony that I got over labor day(the model I got is actually a year old now) the XBR2 46" LCD. I had a hard time really seeing any quality difference between the two(plasma).
TV and audio are sooo stinkin' subjective. When it comes down to it. Put the reviews aside and trust your senses to tell you what is best. That is why I chose what I did. The only thing I read reviews...for is quality issues...or if to see if that TV has any odd quirks to it.
But...like said before...this is a great time to buy a TV. There are so many different types out there. You are bound to come across something that suits your wants and needs
TV and audio are sooo stinkin' subjective. When it comes down to it. Put the reviews aside and trust your senses to tell you what is best. That is why I chose what I did. The only thing I read reviews...for is quality issues...or if to see if that TV has any odd quirks to it.
But...like said before...this is a great time to buy a TV. There are so many different types out there. You are bound to come across something that suits your wants and needs
What do you guys know about the LG 42" 1080p Flat-Panel LCD HDTV?
I am also looking for some advice, could anyone lend me their thoughts on the P42T501 Hitachi 42" plasma. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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