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Title: Dez Bryant
Post by: ThatGuy284 on April 13, 2018, 09:44:53 AM
I'll be the first to throw it out there.   Doesn't help speed issues but I'd rather have Bryant running on the 1st unit with Adams, Cobb and Graham than a rookie.     Sign a nice 1-yr Alshon Jeffrey deal and let's move on.  Give a rookie WR a year to develop.   Give Bryant some new malls and jewelry stores in GB and Appleton to terrorize as an added bonus for him
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: RT on April 13, 2018, 09:51:59 AM
I'll be the first to throw it out there.   Doesn't help speed issues but I'd rather have Bryant running on the 1st unit with Adams, Cobb and Graham than a rookie.     Sign a nice 1-yr Alshon Jeffrey deal and let's move on.  Give a rookie WR a year to develop.   Give Bryant some new malls and jewelry stores in GB and Appleton to terrorize as an added bonus for him

IMO the signing would make no sense. If a aging WR who has lost his speed was an option they could have just keep Nelson at a cheaper price and had a more productive player then Bryant. Don't believe Bryant has any value to the Packers.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: ThatGuy284 on April 13, 2018, 10:27:51 AM
You are entirely correct.   I posted more because I think they erred in letting Jordy go more than what I think the Pack would actually do.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: MO.Pack on April 13, 2018, 12:03:50 PM
He still has value in the red zone and having him, Graham and I'll put Cobb in there also would be a nightmare for a defense.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: RT on April 13, 2018, 01:53:29 PM
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Their is a reason the former team doesn't want them around anymore and it isn't just about money. If the Packers would of tried a little bit, they could of kept Nelson around for something just over the minimum. They didn't offer because they really didn't want his services anymore. The same go's for Bryant. Father time wins every battle.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: The GM on April 13, 2018, 03:18:11 PM
Bryant is a loose cannon, cant get separation, and drops too many balls when he does get open.  If they were even remotely interested in Bryant, they could have paid Nelson.   No chance IMO.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: JQ on April 13, 2018, 05:35:41 PM
After the marty bennett fiasco...I’d be stunned if Green Bay brought in dez bryant. Not only is he another headcase, but as others have suggested, he’s lost his top end speed.
Title: Bryant to GB?
Post by: Bignutz on April 14, 2018, 08:14:29 AM
Keep hearing this rumor. Thoughts? Dez that is.
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: claymaker on April 14, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
No. They just cut Nelson due to his cap number. It is unlikely they would sign Dez Bryant because he would cost even more than Nelson would have.

With Green Bay's proven track record of WR development and eye for talent signing him makes little sense.

The rumor being thrown out there isn't considering either of these factors and is simply basing it off their available cap room and having lost Nelson, which makes it speculation not an actual rumor.

EDIT: Taking Calvin Ridley with their first pick is a much better option, and in all likelihood might actually be the BPA. 
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: claymaker on April 14, 2018, 08:30:36 AM
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Their is a reason the former team doesn't want them around anymore and it isn't just about money. If the Packers would of tried a little bit, they could of kept Nelson around for something just over the minimum. They didn't offer because they really didn't want his services anymore. The same go's for Bryant. Father time wins every battle.

Green Bay did offer him a new deal with a large pay cut and Nelson quickly declined.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-free-agency-2018/2018/3/15/17127988/packers-contract-offer-to-jordy-nelson-was-embarrassing-according-to-james-jones

Packers had their number and weren't willing to budge.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: RT on April 14, 2018, 08:45:29 AM
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Fans of every other team: "I hope we sign him, he's exactly what we need!"

Their is a reason the former team doesn't want them around anymore and it isn't just about money. If the Packers would of tried a little bit, they could of kept Nelson around for something just over the minimum. They didn't offer because they really didn't want his services anymore. The same go's for Bryant. Father time wins every battle.

Green Bay did offer him a new deal with a large pay cut and Nelson quickly declined.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-free-agency-2018/2018/3/15/17127988/packers-contract-offer-to-jordy-nelson-was-embarrassing-according-to-james-jones

Packers had their number and weren't willing to budge.

Nowhere in my post did I say the Packers didn't offer a reduced deal. I said, " If the Packers would of tried a little bit" and that is exactly what Nelson said 11 days after the acticle you provided a link to. This is Nelson comment, “The ‘hurt’ part was the unwillingness to make it work.”

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/26/jordy-nelson-hurt-by-lack-of-contract-negotiation-with-packers/
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: claymaker on April 14, 2018, 09:19:35 AM
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Fan of former team: "He sucked, we're better off without him."

Fans of every other team: "I hope we sign him, he's exactly what we need!"

Their is a reason the former team doesn't want them around anymore and it isn't just about money. If the Packers would of tried a little bit, they could of kept Nelson around for something just over the minimum. They didn't offer because they really didn't want his services anymore. The same go's for Bryant. Father time wins every battle.

Green Bay did offer him a new deal with a large pay cut and Nelson quickly declined.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-free-agency-2018/2018/3/15/17127988/packers-contract-offer-to-jordy-nelson-was-embarrassing-according-to-james-jones

Packers had their number and weren't willing to budge.

Nowhere in my post did I say the Packers didn't offer a reduced deal. I said, " If the Packers would of tried a little bit" and that is exactly what Nelson said 11 days after the acticle you provided a link to. This is Nelson comment, “The ‘hurt’ part was the unwillingness to make it work.”

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/26/jordy-nelson-hurt-by-lack-of-contract-negotiation-with-packers/

No but you also claimed if that offer was "something just over the minimum" they could have kept him. They lowballed him and he did not accept.
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: Shinesman on April 14, 2018, 10:04:31 AM
Dez is getting the Randy Moss treatment from the writers and fans. He played for a team that had a young QB who caught the league off guard one year, and suffered the next for whatever reason. Dez is far from washed up. That guy just gets open, and has never played for a guys who can put the ball in tight spots like Rodgers. I dont think he will even talk with Green Bay, but I dont think he is as far gone as the masses think he is.
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: ricky on April 14, 2018, 12:47:11 PM
No. A problem waiting to happen. He is too- excitable for my taste. He'll get into the faces of coaches, and probably Rodgers sooner or later if he thinks he's open and the pass goes elsewhere. Volatile to me, passionate to to others. Besides, he's going to want a big payday, if not immediately, then very soon. He also doesn't seem to be able to take any responsibility for his actions. Its all someone else, or a conspiracy, or something. But its not him:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/13/dez-bryant-blames-coaches-his-former-teammates-who-are-garretts-guys-for-his-release/
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: phanatic1 on April 14, 2018, 12:58:52 PM
Lots of talk about Dez that is for sure.  I am not a fan of his and the show that goes with him - but - lets face it, he has some left in the tank and the Packers could use a guy like him.  You gotta admit that having Adams and Dez wide with Cobb in the slot and Graham working the middle would be pretty darn good.  Would Dez go for a 1 or 2 year deal to play with Rodgers? 

And Calvin Ridley.  The more I watch, the more I like him.  He kind of has flown under the radar in the pre-draft hype as he didn't run real fast and his frame is pretty small.  But there is no arguing his production.  Could the Packers take him at 14 and then get the OLB on day 2??  I don't think it is out of the question. 
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: The GM on April 14, 2018, 02:01:24 PM
No. A problem waiting to happen. He is too- excitable for my taste. He'll get into the faces of coaches, and probably Rodgers sooner or later if he thinks he's open and the pass goes elsewhere. Volatile to me, passionate to to others. Besides, he's going to want a big payday, if not immediately, then very soon. He also doesn't seem to be able to take any responsibility for his actions. Its all someone else, or a conspiracy, or something. But its not him:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/13/dez-bryant-blames-coaches-his-former-teammates-who-are-garretts-guys-for-his-release/

Agree, I can see him flinging his helmet, screaming at teammates on the sidelines.  In this offense, you have to be prepared to NOT get the ball.  The ball is spread around.  Ask yourself this, when was the last time you saw a Packer WR blow up about not getting balls thrown his way?    Its been awhile, and now is not the time to start.

You might hear about some vague interest by the Packers, but IMO that is more about Gute keeping the Packers name alive in any FA talks. 
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: RT on April 14, 2018, 04:19:11 PM
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Twitter any time a player gets cut:

Fan of former team: "He sucked, we're better off without him."

Fans of every other team: "I hope we sign him, he's exactly what we need!"

Their is a reason the former team doesn't want them around anymore and it isn't just about money. If the Packers would of tried a little bit, they could of kept Nelson around for something just over the minimum. They didn't offer because they really didn't want his services anymore. The same go's for Bryant. Father time wins every battle.

Green Bay did offer him a new deal with a large pay cut and Nelson quickly declined.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/packers-free-agency-2018/2018/3/15/17127988/packers-contract-offer-to-jordy-nelson-was-embarrassing-according-to-james-jones

Packers had their number and weren't willing to budge.

Nowhere in my post did I say the Packers didn't offer a reduced deal. I said, " If the Packers would of tried a little bit" and that is exactly what Nelson said 11 days after the acticle you provided a link to. This is Nelson comment, “The ‘hurt’ part was the unwillingness to make it work.”

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/26/jordy-nelson-hurt-by-lack-of-contract-negotiation-with-packers/

No but you also claimed if that offer was "something just over the minimum" they could have kept him. They lowballed him and he did not accept.

Thank you for enlarging the point of the original post and highlighting that they no longer wanted his services. Glad you were able to connect those 2 dots. Good job you.
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: scoremore on April 14, 2018, 04:28:15 PM
Dez is a vet.  He's got plenty left.  Yes he could definitely help the Pack.  What's the price tag?  How would he fit in the locker room?  Those are my biggest concerns with the guy.  Gute should probably do his due diligence whether he becomes a Packer or not I don't know but would say odds are very slim.  Can't look for a rookie WR to come in and make an impact.  Just never happens.  Allison all he does is make plays whenever he's out there.  Clark and Yancey like those guys too.  Davis?  Dunno if he'll ever be a factor at WR.  So we have 3 potential guys that could step up.  Hit on one and we are ok with the guys we have.
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: LaSeeno on April 14, 2018, 07:42:51 PM
Man, one side of me really wants to see Dez opposite Adams.
Title: Re: Bryant to GB?
Post by: ricky on April 14, 2018, 09:29:47 PM
Man, one side of me really wants to see Dez opposite Adams.

Don't succumb to the Dark Side!
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: claymaker on April 15, 2018, 07:55:39 AM
Thank you for enlarging the point of the original post and highlighting that they no longer wanted his services. Glad you were able to connect those 2 dots. Good job you.

They did want his services though, contrary to your point. They DID offer him exactly what you described as "something just over the minimum", likely a bit more, in an effort to keep him.   
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: ricky on April 15, 2018, 09:07:26 AM
They did want his services though, contrary to your point. They DID offer him exactly what you described as "something just over the minimum", likely a bit more, in an effort to keep him.

If they wanted to keep him, he'd still be on the team. They offered him an insulting low contract. Nelson instead moved on. So, did they offer m  a contract? Yes. Was it a realistic attempt to keep him on the roster? No. To illustrate, league minimum for players with 10+ years experience is a little over $1 million. The Raiders signed him for two years for about $7 million a year. Though realistically, this is a one year contract, since they'd have no dead cap if they cut him next year. Could the Packers have done the same? I think it was within their grasp if they had wanted to keep him.

Here are the numbers NFL vet minimums salaries: https://landryfootball.com/understanding-nfl-minimum-salaries-veteran-cap-benefit-rule-free/

Here are the numbers for the Raiders: https://overthecap.com/player/jordy-nelson/1121
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: claymaker on April 15, 2018, 03:50:45 PM
They did want his services though, contrary to your point. They DID offer him exactly what you described as "something just over the minimum", likely a bit more, in an effort to keep him.

If they wanted to keep him, he'd still be on the team. They offered him an insulting low contract. Nelson instead moved on. So, did they offer m  a contract? Yes. Was it a realistic attempt to keep him on the roster? No. To illustrate, league minimum for players with 10+ years experience is a little over $1 million. The Raiders signed him for two years for about $7 million a year. Though realistically, this is a one year contract, since they'd have no dead cap if they cut him next year. Could the Packers have done the same? I think it was within their grasp if they had wanted to keep him.

Here are the numbers NFL vet minimums salaries: https://landryfootball.com/understanding-nfl-minimum-salaries-veteran-cap-benefit-rule-free/

Here are the numbers for the Raiders: https://overthecap.com/player/jordy-nelson/1121

We don't know the exact number of the offered contract. I doubt it was the league minimum, 4 or 5 million seems about right to me. Considering the Raiders gave him 7, 4-5 million is a fair assumption and also a very low offer. They wanted to keep him at their number not his.
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: ricky on April 15, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
We don't know the exact number of the offered contract. I doubt it was the league minimum, 4 or 5 million seems about right to me. Considering the Raiders gave him 7, 4-5 million is a fair assumption and also a very low offer. They wanted to keep him at their number not his.

"Just over league minimum" would be four or five times as much? That is not "a little over the league minimum" IMO. We'll probably never know the real offer, unless Jordy decides to share it. 
Title: Re: Dez Bryant
Post by: marklawrence on April 16, 2018, 08:05:35 PM
Current rumors are that Dez wants to play for the Giants, and the team that is most interested in him is the Ravens.

I'm perfectly comfortable predicting he won't be a packer.