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Mock Drafts / Re: Back to back Fanspeak drafts
« Last post by Shinesman on March 21, 2019, 10:49:07 PM »
If that second try came true, I would be ecstatic. White, Hockenson, Risner, Sharping & Henderson (who may the best RB in the draft). That would be our best draft in many years
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Mock Drafts / Re: updated mock
« Last post by Shinesman on March 21, 2019, 10:46:17 PM »
King is still in large part an unknown. Nothing would make me happier than to have King put up a healthy season and show us fans why he was selected over Watt. 

Big year for King.  Does he stay healthy and develop or become Nick Perry 2.0.  He's still got a couple of years on a pretty manageable contract, but the guy has (IIRC) 17 games played, and 15 on IR, and 1 career interception.  As Lawrence Taylor says on NFL films "Yall gotta do better than this"

Wasnt that his knock in college was he was injury prone? And he has hurt that same shoulder how many times? I still dokt understand why we did what we did that year.
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Draft Talk / Re: Hypothetical GM
« Last post by Shinesman on March 21, 2019, 10:38:19 PM »
I dont know if I'd go that far back. We need talent, and always trading out of where the talent lies (top 15) is counterproductive. Maybe trading back to 20 if the offer is right. If White is gone, which he will be now that Cincy cut their best ILB, we kind of sit right past the edge of the elite players of this draft. Go figure.
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Draft Talk / How many 1st round grades
« Last post by RT on March 21, 2019, 08:17:09 PM »
It is that time of year where we are going to start hearing a lot of information about teams big boards and what round grades different players have. This is from the Brownswire and their breaking down the OBJ trade.

 In breaking down the trade on the Move the Sticks podcast with Bucky Brooks (filling in for Daniel Jeremiah), NFL.com’s Lance Zierlein dropped the knowledge nugget.
“I had heard that the Browns considered there to be 15 players that are first round players in this year’s draft,” Zierlein explained. “That sounds about right. About 15 guys who are first round picks. Analytics is always about quantifying value so, for them, that 17th pick, they considered that a second round player, generally speaking. In the Browns’ mind, they considered they were giving up a second-round player and not a first round player. That makes even more sense right now,”

In reading that it got me thinking about other teams and what about the Packers. I found where another draft blogger stated that he had spoken with a scout of an unnamed team who said their team had 21 players with 1st round grades. Using the incomplete data that I have, I count 19 players that qualify as Packer types using historical guidelines. I am guessing the Packers end number will be within one or two of that number one way or the other. 
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Admin Support / Re: My IP got blocked?
« Last post by marklawrence on March 21, 2019, 08:09:33 PM »
I don't know anything about this, and I can't find any evidence that you're blocked.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Clay gone
« Last post by claymaker on March 21, 2019, 06:46:10 PM »
RIP my namesake.  :-[
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Draft Talk / Re: Hypothetical GM
« Last post by claymaker on March 21, 2019, 06:24:48 PM »
Stay put. Andre Dillard at 12 all day with that board.

I am in agreement that it is very likely that Dillard would be at the top of their board at that point. With a lesser likelihood of a possibly of Christian Wilkins, Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant being at the top of their board. But is it so overwhelming that they would pass on the trade? If they turned around and traded back up to 16 or 17 by using a late 1st and one of the 2nds to land one of the top players on their board, in the process pocketing an extra 2nd round. Is that enough to offset maybe missing their top guy at 12?

Not for me. 12 is definitely the drop off for top tier players and they'd already be getting a bit of a project with Dillard since he'd be playing RT and not LT. Still, they would be passing on a player who would give them the best Tackle duo in the league. Not convinced an extra 2nd round pick or a 3rd+4th is going to provide them with better value on the field. The way I see it is, they have 2 first round picks and an early 2nd. More than enough picks to add players who can help the team as rookies and in the future.

Given your hypothetical would be the worst case scenario, I'm convinced Haskins goes in the top 10 and maybe Lock or Jones too, that would make a trade back more appealing. However, I believe they'll be looking at a couple blue chip players like Hockenson, Burns, or Dillard at 12.   

My concern for Burns is his ability to set the edge.  Great speed guy on 3rd down but he isnt going to overpower anyone on 1st and 2nd down.  Kind of a one trick pony and a guy teams will run at.  Dude has wheels I'll give him that.
Id go with Williams over Dillard.  Williams had faced some pretty good comp in the SEC including his own team in practice.  Dillard has faced a pretty weak Pac 12 schedule, and played in that funky Mike Leach offense that sometimes doesnt always translate to the NFL, I do wonder if Dillard playing in Green Bay would do anything for his former OL teammate Cole Madison.  Just a out of the box thought.

Certainly don't need Burns to be your guy on 1st or 2nd down as a rookie. Matthews was a one trick pony his first few years and grew into the every down player. It's also a bit of misinformation that Burns can't set the edge. He was very good at it in college being very adept at gaining leverage to keep him in favorable position. The added weight at the combine solidifies my opinion on him, if he's at 12 take him.

Williams projects best at Guard in my view. Dillard is the better prospect to me since he will play a more valuable position and possesses all the traits that make an elite tackle.
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Draft Talk / Re: Hypothetical GM
« Last post by The GM on March 21, 2019, 05:49:10 PM »
Stay put. Andre Dillard at 12 all day with that board.

I am in agreement that it is very likely that Dillard would be at the top of their board at that point. With a lesser likelihood of a possibly of Christian Wilkins, Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant being at the top of their board. But is it so overwhelming that they would pass on the trade? If they turned around and traded back up to 16 or 17 by using a late 1st and one of the 2nds to land one of the top players on their board, in the process pocketing an extra 2nd round. Is that enough to offset maybe missing their top guy at 12?

Not for me. 12 is definitely the drop off for top tier players and they'd already be getting a bit of a project with Dillard since he'd be playing RT and not LT. Still, they would be passing on a player who would give them the best Tackle duo in the league. Not convinced an extra 2nd round pick or a 3rd+4th is going to provide them with better value on the field. The way I see it is, they have 2 first round picks and an early 2nd. More than enough picks to add players who can help the team as rookies and in the future.

Given your hypothetical would be the worst case scenario, I'm convinced Haskins goes in the top 10 and maybe Lock or Jones too, that would make a trade back more appealing. However, I believe they'll be looking at a couple blue chip players like Hockenson, Burns, or Dillard at 12.   

My concern for Burns is his ability to set the edge.  Great speed guy on 3rd down but he isnt going to overpower anyone on 1st and 2nd down.  Kind of a one trick pony and a guy teams will run at.  Dude has wheels I'll give him that.
Id go with Williams over Dillard.  Williams had faced some pretty good comp in the SEC including his own team in practice.  Dillard has faced a pretty weak Pac 12 schedule, and played in that funky Mike Leach offense that sometimes doesnt always translate to the NFL, I do wonder if Dillard playing in Green Bay would do anything for his former OL teammate Cole Madison.  Just a out of the box thought.
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Mock Drafts / Re: Fanspeak- BPA Draft
« Last post by morango on March 21, 2019, 05:30:54 PM »
I tried the same thing. Fanspeak 5-round draft using the latest big board. Forced myself to take the top rated player remaining at each pick. This is what came out of it. Not that bad...
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Draft Talk / Re: Hypothetical GM
« Last post by claymaker on March 21, 2019, 05:16:00 PM »
Stay put. Andre Dillard at 12 all day with that board.

I am in agreement that it is very likely that Dillard would be at the top of their board at that point. With a lesser likelihood of a possibly of Christian Wilkins, Clelin Ferrell or Noah Fant being at the top of their board. But is it so overwhelming that they would pass on the trade? If they turned around and traded back up to 16 or 17 by using a late 1st and one of the 2nds to land one of the top players on their board, in the process pocketing an extra 2nd round. Is that enough to offset maybe missing their top guy at 12?

Not for me. 12 is definitely the drop off for top tier players and they'd already be getting a bit of a project with Dillard since he'd be playing RT and not LT. Still, they would be passing on a player who would give them the best Tackle duo in the league. Not convinced an extra 2nd round pick or a 3rd+4th is going to provide them with better value on the field. The way I see it is, they have 2 first round picks and an early 2nd. More than enough picks to add players who can help the team as rookies and in the future.

Given your hypothetical would be the worst case scenario, I'm convinced Haskins goes in the top 10 and maybe Lock or Jones too, that would make a trade back more appealing. However, I believe they'll be looking at a couple blue chip players like Hockenson, Burns, or Dillard at 12.     
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