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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Back up OLB's
« Last post by craig on July 14, 2018, 07:11:49 PM »
Thanks for thread and links, danno.  We're a D+D program, it would be really cool if some of these guys  D'd into being good NFL players.  The fact that the Packers haven't made any OLB depth-building moves thus far may suggest that they are fairly hopeful. 

I'm pretty optimistic that Gilbert is ready to play OK.  He's big enough to handle run game, too, as is Odom.  But Gilbert still looks reasonably quick and active, even if those guys are on the 260+ side. 

In reviewing some of the stories, it's interesting how transitioning from 4-3 to 3-4 is portrayed as being pretty challenging, for both Gilbert and Odom.  I'm really hopeful that all three of those guys (Gilbert, Biegel, and Odom) will look professional in camp and in their snaps.  I'd love to have all three look like good NFL guys, but have the #5 guy still get little opportunity because Clay and Perry stay healthy, and Gilbert and Biegel both play well in their rotations, such that Odom can look great in practice but still end up getting blocked. 

I'd love to have an explosive lightning quick rusher, but not sure we've got any such.  So, I kinda like the idea of the 260's guys (Gilbert and Odom) who have some power and strength, and can hold up well in run. 

Don't think Donnerson is a factor at all, for 2017 roster.  Think he's fighting for a PS spot, and to get a redshirt year to figure out the league and learn who an NFL OLB needs to do.  Was he a true OLB in college, or like Gilbert and Odom another one who was a DE in college? 

Fackrell was a high-use ST guy.  Think he'll have a shot to compete for one of the ST spots.  Hopefully they'll have enough other guys looking good for ST, and they'll be able to use roster spot for somebody with more from-scrimmage potential (regardless of from which position group).  But ST is a thing coaches value, and he's got some scrimmage experience too; plus he might perhaps be a better fit in a new system; plus he might just be a little more improved and more confident.  So while I hope somebody younger and with more potential wins a job, I wouldn't at all rule out Fackrell making it again as a ST guy.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Packers transactions
« Last post by craig on July 14, 2018, 06:59:29 PM »
Thanks, RT.  I'd guess a guy who's had a year in camps and practice and NFL body-building would probably be more likely to be Nowacrat serviceable.  I wonder if he has any center experience, or if that was a factor?  Given all the mixture at interior, you never know. 

I always love these D2 underdog stories.  :)
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
« Last post by craig on July 14, 2018, 06:56:14 PM »
I don't believe MM's coaching changes were dictated to him by outside authority.  There is none, other than Murphy; and I don't think Murphy is even remotely likely to be dictating or micro-managing stuff like that. 

I suspect that MM probably considered going different directions with both Bennett and Capers last year, but didn't make either move and opted for continuity; and then regretted it. 
*I think he recognized that they needed some new direction with the defense, and made the change. 
*Less sure on offense, might have partly been Philbin becoming available.  But I suspect that MM would have been ready to replace Bennett even had Philbin not become available. 

I think he just recognized that it was time, and I don't believe he needed Murphy to tell him so. 

I don't think MM is particularly at risk.  *IF* the offense looks boring and predictable and nothing but Rodgers improvising, maybe Murphy and Gute will determine they need some new creativity and leadership.  But I don't at all suspect it's SB-or-bust.  It's kinda hard to evaluate what's reasonable to expect until you get into the season and recognize which rookies or young players can play; and see how many guys get injured and how that impacts your chances; and evaluate how good the competition was.  Always subjective, but I think the evaluation always needs to be whether the coach got the most out of the players that he was given. 

The board will never be in agreement on that, of course.  Some will always conclude that MM is underachieving, and that with Rodgers at QB, anything short of SB is underachieving.  Others will see another playoff appearance as proof of MM's leadership and consistency, and tell Packers fans to be thankful.  But presumably it will need to be Murphy and Gute who will need to make an evaluation on that.  I doubt it will be unfavorable to MM. 
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On the Streets / Re: Mark's Movie Reviews
« Last post by marklawrence on July 14, 2018, 04:41:52 PM »
Skyscraper

Kinda sorta a remake of die hard. Die hard had the better villian - Hans Gruber aka Prof Snape. Both wife's were good. Dwayne Johnson is as good as Bruce. And skyscraper had better heart stopping effects.

Everyone in the theater loved it and so did I.

See it.

btw, at one point a cop gets shot and Dwayne picks up his motorcycle and rides off. The cop bike is the same thing I ride. Same color and everything. 'Cept I don't have the blue and red lights in front.
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I cannot determine whether McCarthy made changes because, as Ricky stated, 'he felt the pressure building' (which suggests outside pressure), or because he himself felt the current setup was inefficient enough to require wholesale change. Maybe it's a bit of both. Whatever the truth, the changes are a good thing - not because they will significantly improve the team (I hope they will, but it IS possible they might not make much difference), but because a change was needed, and it was made. I feel good about the Packers org as a whole, but the new setup hasn't been properly tested, yet.

As for MM being canned if he doesn't make the SB, I don't think coaches get fired because they don't make the Superbowl. Occasionally they get fired because their team cannot win playoff games (see Marty Shottenheimer).
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Back up OLB's
« Last post by OneTwoSixFive on July 14, 2018, 01:54:38 AM »
I would hesitate to nix any defensive guy before seeing them in a Pettine-designed system.

Guys on the team like him, Odom, Spriggs, Mays (yeah I know the last two are on offense) have, in boxing terms, a 'punchers chance' of winning.
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On the Streets / Re: Mark's Movie Reviews
« Last post by marklawrence on July 13, 2018, 08:05:41 PM »
The Purge

I was not going to see this, but a friend told me it was good.

Nah. It's race-baiting liberal crap. A psychologist announces that if there were a 12 hour period when all laws were suspended, then people would get their anger out and behave better the rest of the year. A group, the "NWWA" finances an experiment where it will be tried on Staten Island. Turns out Staten Island is populated by blacks with a few token latinos, zero whites. The NWWA just wants blacks to kill each other. When that mostly doesn't happen, they're ready with a bunch of imported KKK (pointy hats and all) and blond haired blue eyed aryan mercs, who then go in killing everything that moves. You know, for the first 60 years of my life I only heard of the KKK in history books, but now suddenly it seems there's one behind every bush.

Don't see it. This appeals to the very worst sentiments in this country and should not be rewarded with your money.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Back up OLB's
« Last post by dannobanano on July 13, 2018, 05:11:02 PM »
JMHO.....................but I think Kyler Fackrell's days are numbered in Green Bay.

Vince Biegel is the one many of us have had our eye's on (and hope's up for)..............
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/12/packers-lb-vince-biegel-adds-weight-ahead-of-second-nfl-season/
https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/vince-biegel-senses-urgency-to-bring-championship-caliber-of-play-to-packers-defense-444

Reggie Gilbert flashed some ability late last season (why wasn't he brought up earlier?)...............
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/11/with-training-camp-looming-reggie-gilbert-set-to-be-key-cog-in-packers-pass-rushing-machine/

Chris Odom was the forgotten man (but not by me), he my sleeper of the group..............
https://www.themountaineer.com/sports/national/a-forgotten-man-last-season-packers-linebacker-chris-odom-looks/article_623802c2-3c89-57a8-9a2b-5646740ded85.html

The Packers waited until the 7th round (Kendall Donnerson) to draft an EDGE type player.

Fackrell is just too much of a "finesse" player to fit anywhere in Pettine's defense. He's a run/chase LB, and that won't work in the new defense.

The only question I have is will the Packers keep 5, or 6, OLB's on the 53 man roster?

If it's 6, the Donnerson get's a chance to shine on ST's and time to develop. If it's only 5, then the Packers will likely hope Donnerson clears waivers so they can stash him on the PS.

To coin a phrase from "John McClain/Die Hard"..........."The monkey in the wrench" here is the WI media wishing out loud for the Packers to make a call to Connor Barwin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEOVNmSR7_c

Tick Tock.............13 days!
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Packers transactions
« Last post by RT on July 13, 2018, 03:01:44 PM »
According to ESPN’s Field Yates, the team successfully claimed guard Ethan Cooper off waivers from the New York Giants, waiving undrafted free-agent tackle Kyle Meadows to create room.

A 6-foot-2, 322-pound guard, Cooper spent 2017 with the Pittsburgh Steelers and Giants. Though New York retained him for 2018 on a futures contract, they waived him on Thursday to make room for veteran offensive lineman Zac Kerin. Cooper played his college ball for the IUP Crimson Hawks, a Division II program. He went unselected in the 2017 NFL Draft before landing in Pittsburgh.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
« Last post by ricky on July 13, 2018, 04:56:32 AM »
I don't know if Murphy imposed anything on MM other than the short extension.  The hint you are on the hot seat.  Believe MM got the message and made changes he needed to keep his job.  It was pretty clear Capers wasn't getting it done.  At first I blamed it on injuries but believe he should have been gone before last season.  Edgar Bennett as OC was probably the worst move under MM's tenor.  He was unable to scheme opponents and attack their weaknesses.  The result Aaron playing sandlot football out there.   MM addressed both issues and believe we have the coaching staff in place now to make a run.

OK. So, MM was forced to make changes because he felt the pressure building. As long as changes were made that were long overdue, I'll take it. An excellent motivator, very good play caller, has a good rapport with his players. But as far as choosing staff, too loyal; as far as playcalling, too stubborn. The plays aren't the problem, its the players inability to execute and get open that is the problem. Throw in some schemes to help the WR's? Nonsense. That, as you stated so well, turned AR into that "sandlot football" player, scrambling to stretch the play, because defenses knew the routes as well as the WR's.

Romo may think the Pack will make it to the SB, but James Jones thinks they'll have a perfect season. So, who has loftier expectations than that?

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/james-jones-has-monumental-expectations-for-the-packers-in-2018f-359
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