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Offline RT

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Re: Arden Key
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2018, 08:21:11 AM »
If he's there in the 2nd, do we take a chance on him?

Really none of us are equipped to answer that question.

The Packers, for the most part have done a good job of avoiding the problem children with draft capital. Every year fans seem to ask this same question, but only the name is changed. The parallel here with Randy Gregory looks earily similar. A player projected as top 10 talent, long and lean gifted passrusher, rumored drug problems, trips to rehab, claims all is great and life is together in days leading up to the draft. The Cowboys drank the koolaid on Gregory and someone will with Key also, just hoping it isn't the Packers with any draft pick.

In the words of P.T. Barnum, 'There's a sucker born every minute'.     

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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2018, 02:39:58 PM »
Personally I just don't see the love affair with Landry. Watched his highlight reel, a few of them, and nothing stood out. Undersized and not very explosive. I would pass until a later round.
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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2018, 09:04:00 PM »
I have to admit that Harold Landry is one of the most perplexing players that I have ever tried to slot in an up coming draft. My first impression of him was watching him against Notre Dame and felt from that small sample that if that is who he is, he isn't much. Since then I was given some clips from his junior year and I am starting to warm to him a little. A friend who's opinion I respect a great deal and over the years has been very good with breaking down front 7, especially passrush, swears that he is the best edge rusher in the draft and it isn't even close.

In looking at mocks today, I have seen him going as high as number 9 to SF to all the way to the bottom of the first round. So opinion does  vary a great deal with those mocking also. Daniel Jeremiah in his new top 50, he put out yesterday has him at 36th.

It would not surprise me if we findout he has been the Packers number one target from day one, it could be where BPA marries up with need. I just have no idea at this time.   
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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2018, 11:18:41 PM »
If I'm choosing between Lorenzo Carter, Josh Sweat and Arden Key, then Key comes in at no.3 to me. He has dropped lower and lower in my estimation, over the last four months.
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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2018, 06:27:45 AM »
I see Landry as a guy with the highest floor and lowest ceiling in terms of future growth. If Landry/Key are there in the 2nd round.....take Landry and I wouldn't care who you drafted in the first round.

The one guy who I keep scratching my head over is Carter. He should be in the mix for the top 15 picks, but his film is very average. Can a team light a fire over him when his college coaches couldn't? I don't know and because of his performance, it won't surprise me if he goes in the third round.

Key is a strange prospect.....a lot of baggage, lots of potential, and lots of bad film. Sounds like a certain QB out of LSU that went first in the draft to the Raiders.
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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #20 on: April 06, 2018, 07:31:19 AM »
If I'm choosing between Lorenzo Carter, Josh Sweat and Arden Key, then Key comes in at no.3 to me. He has dropped lower and lower in my estimation, over the last four months.

Everyone of the 3 are probably risky picks. Carter is an elite athlete who has been just a tease so far, as his production does not match his athleticism. Probably gets over drafted. On the positive side their are some parallels to Justin Houston, but most of the time a tease just remains a tease. 

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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #21 on: April 06, 2018, 11:42:21 AM »
Carter is somewhat of an enigma.

He had one of his best games this last season (7 tackles/1 TFL/0.5 sack) playing against Notre Dame (McGlinchey/Nelson).

He has a mountain of untapped talent that could make him a steal in the 2nd round............IF.........someone can tap into that talent and bring it out.

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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #22 on: April 06, 2018, 01:18:43 PM »
My preferring Sweat and Carter over Key, says more about my bad feelings on Key, than good ones on the other two.
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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2018, 07:53:45 AM »
Not interested in Key for same reasons others have mentioned earlier in the thread.   

As for Landry, I've seen his player comp most often listed as Bruce Irvin - the #15 pick his draft year.    Bruce Irvin has been in the league for 6 seasons and has grown from a pure pass-rush specialist to a more well-rounded player.   He has one season with only 2 sacks which seems an anomaly.   in the other 5 seasons he's averaged 7 sacks a season (I don't know how many QB pressures in addition?).    I think Bruce Irvin may be his floor, Clay Matthews his ceiling.   Irvin is a good player but I don't think I'd be clamoring for Gute to sign him to a big contract in FA if available (I'm open to people telling me I'm crazy for that)

Landry has really grown on me but I'll ask this:
If Irvin is his floor and that's what Landry develops into- would that be enough production to warrant the #14 pick?

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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2018, 10:50:13 AM »

Landry has really grown on me but I'll ask this:
If Irvin is his floor and that's what Landry develops into- would that be enough production to warrant the #14 pick?

............and would you take him over Davenport ? I would go with Davenport - but it is really, really close.
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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2018, 02:42:05 AM »
I think there is a chance that a year or two down the road, Carter may end up as the best of the bunch. He was asked to do a lot in college and did his job. Maybe not at Landry's level as a pure pass rusher but as a good all around player in the 8-10 sack range. Plays the run much better than Landry.
I may be wrong but Clay Matthews did not have huge sack numbers coming out but you could see the potential was there. Carter would be my pick in the 2nd regardless of who is there.
Would not consider Key anywhere before the 4th, but rest assured someone will.

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Re: Arden Key or Harold Landry
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2018, 07:10:30 AM »
I think there is a chance that a year or two down the road, Carter may end up as the best of the bunch. He was asked to do a lot in college and did his job. Maybe not at Landry's level as a pure pass rusher but as a good all around player in the 8-10 sack range. Plays the run much better than Landry.
I may be wrong but Clay Matthews did not have huge sack numbers coming out but you could see the potential was there. Carter would be my pick in the 2nd regardless of who is there.
Would not consider Key anywhere before the 4th, but rest assured someone will.

Carter would be a great choice! I agree, he has a very high ceiling. He's going to have a great NFL career.