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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on November 16, 2018, 02:03:49 PM »
I didn't see all of the first half, so missed some completions.  Donzo is right, the passer rating was high.  But yeah, a bunch of those yards were on the two catch-and-run throws to Jones; and a lot more were on the not-very-accurate TD completions to Tonyan and Jones.

The rating doesn't mean much... I was just pointing out to someone bellyaching about Rodger's rating that his rating for last nights game was excellent.

Trying to qualify Rodger high rating doesn't make much sense either. The rating is the rating... Unless,  Rodgers was the only QB with high ratings that had run and catch plays?

For the touchdown throws, I don't know how you can complain about those, especially the great throw to Tonyan... If you're gonna be hypercritical of that throw, then Rodgers will never be good enough for you.

Which is why pulling one stat in isolation and without the context of the game situation is a superficial way to look at things. Rodgers was 3 for 11 on third down and ignored numerous open receivers for first downs going for the home run repeatedly. He’s the highest paid player in the league and isn’t in the top 5 QBs this season, maybe not the top 10. But please keep saying he’s immune to criticism because of his past seasons while ignoring the offense scored 3 points in the second half despite good field position and lost the game. Or maybe you’re content with a 4-5-1 record with the supposed best player in the game and a highly successful coach?
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by Donzo on November 16, 2018, 01:48:18 PM »
I didn't see all of the first half, so missed some completions.  Donzo is right, the passer rating was high.  But yeah, a bunch of those yards were on the two catch-and-run throws to Jones; and a lot more were on the not-very-accurate TD completions to Tonyan and Jones.

The rating doesn't mean much... I was just pointing out to someone bellyaching about Rodger's rating that his rating for last nights game was excellent.

Trying to qualify Rodger high rating doesn't make much sense either. The rating is the rating... Unless,  Rodgers was the only QB with high ratings that had run and catch plays?

For the touchdown throws, I don't know how you can complain about those, especially the great throw to Tonyan... If you're gonna be hypercritical of that throw, then Rodgers will never be good enough for you.

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: New Coach rumors
« Last post by Donzo on November 16, 2018, 01:38:13 PM »
Is there a "rumor" about a coaching change or is this a thought about possible coaching candidate.

For McDaniels, he's a train wreck.
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Draft Talk / Re: 2019 Draft and beyond
« Last post by Gregg on November 16, 2018, 01:37:52 PM »
The game that Kyler Fackrell had last night turns a different light on the draft.

From what I can see, this is a good defensive draft.  One of the problems I see on defense is that we are overpaying for our OLB and our ILB do not cover well.

If Fackrell is for real, then we can dump Perry after this year or CM 3.  Then I would key on finding a Roque Smith type of ILB with our first pick in the draft.

The other thing I think we are missing is DL depth.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: New Coach rumors
« Last post by The GM on November 16, 2018, 10:57:21 AM »
Breer explained that when McDaniels was considered for the 49ers head coaching position two years ago, the possible general manager that San Francisco thought about bringing in simultaneously was Brian Gutekunst, who is now the Packers’ GM.

“They’ve done their homework on each other,” Breer said.

“If I’m (McDaniels),” Breer concluded, “I’ve got Aaron Rodgers to compete with for the next four or five years, and I’ve got a long runway to find the next guy, too, which I think is a real positive.”

Can't happen fast enough.  Defense played better without Perry on the field.  He's collecting his 750K game check as usual and doing nothing as he has for the last two year.  I'd rather see Fackrell get his money!!!!!

Not a huge fan of McDaniels, he failed in Denver, stood up the Colts after agreeing to go there.   He might be next offensive genius to come out of New England since the last great thing, the great Charlie Weis???.  How long does McDaniels stay in Green Bay?  Until Robert Kraft comes calling?  I think this potential Packer HC job will be very attractive, just not sure McDaniels has proven anything outside of having Brady.   It wouldnt surprise me if Murphy/Gute explored him, but for the most part these BB coaching tree guys don't pan out (Mangini, Weis, Crennell, Patricia?....)   You also want a head coach who can be a productive beyond Rodgers years.  Im sure every coach available under the sun will be rumored to the Packers in the coming months.  I'm not 100% convinced Murphy will get rid of McCarthy with another year on his contract.  We'll see.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / New Coach rumors
« Last post by PackerJoe on November 16, 2018, 08:40:10 AM »
Breer explained that when McDaniels was considered for the 49ers head coaching position two years ago, the possible general manager that San Francisco thought about bringing in simultaneously was Brian Gutekunst, who is now the Packers’ GM.

“They’ve done their homework on each other,” Breer said.

“If I’m (McDaniels),” Breer concluded, “I’ve got Aaron Rodgers to compete with for the next four or five years, and I’ve got a long runway to find the next guy, too, which I think is a real positive.”

Can't happen fast enough.  Defense played better without Perry on the field.  He's collecting his 750K game check as usual and doing nothing as he has for the last two year.  I'd rather see Fackrell get his money!!!!!
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by RT on November 16, 2018, 07:06:39 AM »
Rodgers has had a great career.  Part of that was excellent accuracy.  He got a strong passer rating yesterday, but his accuracy to me didn't seem very good, and it hasn't been kinda often this season.  The first down pass to MVS on the final possession, he was wide open for an easy first, but Rodgers threw it in the dirt a step behind him.  The two TD passes to Jones and Tonyan, both of those seemed to me to be kind of waffle, late balls.  Both worked; the kids were so very wide open that they had opportunity to hang out and wait for the late, inaccurate throws.  But in terms of pure throws, I didn't think those were so hot.  Adams made a catch for a 1st down during the second half, he was quite wide open over the middle, but the throw was low and he had to go on ground to catch it.  Nice completion, but no chance to pick up an extra yard or three, or maybe 12.  St. Brown made an amazing extension grab in the 2nd half; he was wide open, for more accurate QB's that could/should have been an easy completion, not a circus catch; and if thrown in stride, he had space on all sides; he might have picked up some YAC with an accurate throw. 

I didn't see all of the first half, so missed some completions.  Donzo is right, the passer rating was high.  But yeah, a bunch of those yards were on the two catch-and-run throws to Jones; and a lot more were on the not-very-accurate TD completions to Tonyan and Jones.  So in a sense, I didn't feel like the passer rating really reflected very accurate throwing by the QB. 

I assume after the season we'll get further reports about how hurt he's been all season, and how that's compromised all of his throwing stuff.  I think he's got hurts considerably beyond just the knee. 

Again, Rodgers has been an amazing player for the Packers over his career.  He flashes that at times, and the hope that he'll put it back together and play like GOAT underlies all of our hopes that they might still catch fire and run the table this year.  Or come back next year and be a contender.  He's carried the franchise for years, and I still hope he can do that again.  But for now, he isn't playing great enough to make it happen.


That is a very good posting craig, summed some things up well.


The haters and the apologists both will be selling hard in the coming days that the issue is this one thing or another. But there are many layers to the reasons for the loses that they have collected.

Last nights 4th quarter had a number of befuddling moments to it, the non-challenge, the Rodgers spike on 3rd and 2 and the decision to punt on 4th down. The punt is the one that is really difficult to get my head wrapped around. MM punts with the idea that his defense can hold and get the ball back, well how about going for it on 4th and if you don't make it you are still counting on his defense to hold and get the ball back. If the defense gives up a FG there, they are down 6 still with a position to win the game. For me their was only one decision to be made and that was to go for it on 4th and 2. I also wondered at the time why a run on 3rd and 2 was not the first play choice, with the idea that they would go for it if they failed on 3rd down.

 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by PackerJoe on November 16, 2018, 06:49:37 AM »
Will someone please teach our MLB how to cover a tight end.  HE blew two real critical pass coverages to the tight end.  This has been on on-going problem.  I know he lead the team in tackles last year, only problem is they were after a running back ran for ten yards when he should've been stopping him at the line of scrimmage.  Again, I hate to harp, we have no talent, no speed and no pass coverage  from our lb's.  My previous posts on this go back to the 2015 draft.  Defense wins championships, speed on defense kills!
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Is it Coaching or Personnel?
« Last post by PackerJoe on November 16, 2018, 06:45:31 AM »
Coaching has been pathetic, time for new blood here.  Talent in some positions, others none (LB) 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by PackerJoe on November 16, 2018, 06:43:42 AM »
Fire zook, fire McCarthy, bring up kumerow, place Cobb on IR.  If that doesn't work sit Rodgers and play the two other qb's.  Time to play for higher draft picks cause that NO pick is gonna be #32.
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