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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: what happened, what now
« Last post by PackerJoe on November 16, 2018, 06:41:20 AM »
Firswt thing I do is bring up Kumerow from practice squad.  He knows about coming back to a qb in trouble and he catches the ball and runs well afterwards, he's a mismatch with his size, he knows ho to run routes.  Put Cobb on Injured reserve.  Fire zook and McCarthy.
He blew not throwing the flag and not going for it on 4t and 2.  He got outcoached!!!!!
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by SB XLIX on November 16, 2018, 06:35:59 AM »
The Packers are just showing everyone what a lot of us have suspected.  They are an average team with an average+ coach, with a number of young players that make mistakes, and an all world QB that covers up almost everything.  When/if the QB gets back to playing like himself, almost everyone will be happy and MM will be a genius again.
I still enjoyed watching large portions of the game even though the outcome was inevitable.  The Packers do have some players with potential, and it is fun to project what could happen in the weeks and years to come with this team.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on November 16, 2018, 06:28:45 AM »
Rodgers has had a great career.  Part of that was excellent accuracy.  He got a strong passer rating yesterday, but his accuracy to me didn't seem very good, and it hasn't been kinda often this season.  The first down pass to MVS on the final possession, he was wide open for an easy first, but Rodgers threw it in the dirt a step behind him.  The two TD passes to Jones and Tonyan, both of those seemed to me to be kind of waffle, late balls.  Both worked; the kids were so very wide open that they had opportunity to hang out and wait for the late, inaccurate throws.  But in terms of pure throws, I didn't think those were so hot.  Adams made a catch for a 1st down during the second half, he was quite wide open over the middle, but the throw was low and he had to go on ground to catch it.  Nice completion, but no chance to pick up an extra yard or three, or maybe 12.  St. Brown made an amazing extension grab in the 2nd half; he was wide open, for more accurate QB's that could/should have been an easy completion, not a circus catch; and if thrown in stride, he had space on all sides; he might have picked up some YAC with an accurate throw. 

I didn't see all of the first half, so missed some completions.  Donzo is right, the passer rating was high.  But yeah, a bunch of those yards were on the two catch-and-run throws to Jones; and a lot more were on the not-very-accurate TD completions to Tonyan and Jones.  So in a sense, I didn't feel like the passer rating really reflected very accurate throwing by the QB. 

I assume after the season we'll get further reports about how hurt he's been all season, and how that's compromised all of his throwing stuff.  I think he's got hurts considerably beyond just the knee. 

Again, Rodgers has been an amazing player for the Packers over his career.  He flashes that at times, and the hope that he'll put it back together and play like GOAT underlies all of our hopes that they might still catch fire and run the table this year.  Or come back next year and be a contender.  He's carried the franchise for years, and I still hope he can do that again.  But for now, he isn't playing great enough to make it happen.

Excellent observations. There were two throw like that in the first half. On the second possession, Rodgers hit Adams for 41 yards down the sideline. Looks great on the stat sheet, but when you watch the play, Adams was behind the defense. He had to stop and wait for the ball which allowed the DB to recover and make the tackle on what should have been an easy TD. Rodgers threw sidearm while backing up and didn't get enough on it. Similar thing later in the 2nd quarter. Adams had his man beat, and Rodgers flipped another poor throw that didn't land anywhere near Adams. It's a given that deep throws have lower completion percentages, but Rodgers is exacerbating the problem with poor mechanics. I don't know if he's just gotten sloppy, or if he picked up poor habits rehabbing/trying to prevent further injury. Whatever the case, the coaches should have corrected it weeks ago. If he isn't willing to be coached, that's an even bigger problem.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: what happened, what now
« Last post by GBRoCk2 on November 16, 2018, 06:24:06 AM »
Something has to change this off-season, I'm tired of watching the same thing on offense. This west coast attack just isn't working,

Troy even called it out, you have WRs running their routes and not making an effort to come back to the ball, which we all know, is that the play-calling or coaching? I felt like most of our routes run were 10 yards deep, and our idea of quick passes are these WR screens, which didn't really fool Seattle at all. Another thing...are we allergic to attacking the middle of the field?

Honestly, we were lucky to even score 24 points because we literally had 1 good drive, the TD to Jones in the end of the first half. You scored the 1 TD off of Seattle's turnover, the other TD to Tonyan was imo lucky, but don't get me wrong a great throw. I still found myself after this game saying they need to get the ball to Jones more, some of the plays called didn't really give him a chance, find creative ways to get him in space. I realize alot of our WRs are rookies, but while I've seen flashes from St. Brown, and MVS, both are not nearly close to being WR2s just yet, I was hoping Graham would be our second option outside of Adams and that clearly hasn't been the case.

The defense did all it could, but they were completely gassed, Seattle controlled the clock and kept running the ball down our throats. Huge props to Fackrell, seemed to be the only player on the line that every time I watched him just showed a non-stop motor to attempt to get to Wilson or make a play, think we found our replacement for Clay.

In this draft we need to add to our lines on both sides of the ball...Rodgers is one of the most sacked QBs in the NFL, have to invest in protecting him, whether via the draft or free agency. And on defense, we are near being one of the worst teams at stopping the run, need to make a lot of changes to the front 7 on that side of the ball, I think you are probably OK beyond adding a safety in the draft just focusing on adding defensive linemen and finding another pass rusher.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by SB XLIX on November 16, 2018, 06:22:32 AM »
Not surprised they punted on 4th and 2.  Would it have even made a difference?  AR would have thrown the ball in the dirt, taken a sack or gained one yard on a wide receiver screen.  I've never seen a team expend so much effort to gain one yard.  Wasn't AJ gaining 6-7 yards per carry coming into the game?
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by craig on November 16, 2018, 06:16:44 AM »
Rodgers has had a great career.  Part of that was excellent accuracy.  He got a strong passer rating yesterday, but his accuracy to me didn't seem very good, and it hasn't been kinda often this season.  The first down pass to MVS on the final possession, he was wide open for an easy first, but Rodgers threw it in the dirt a step behind him.  The two TD passes to Jones and Tonyan, both of those seemed to me to be kind of waffle, late balls.  Both worked; the kids were so very wide open that they had opportunity to hang out and wait for the late, inaccurate throws.  But in terms of pure throws, I didn't think those were so hot.  Adams made a catch for a 1st down during the second half, he was quite wide open over the middle, but the throw was low and he had to go on ground to catch it.  Nice completion, but no chance to pick up an extra yard or three, or maybe 12.  St. Brown made an amazing extension grab in the 2nd half; he was wide open, for more accurate QB's that could/should have been an easy completion, not a circus catch; and if thrown in stride, he had space on all sides; he might have picked up some YAC with an accurate throw. 

I didn't see all of the first half, so missed some completions.  Donzo is right, the passer rating was high.  But yeah, a bunch of those yards were on the two catch-and-run throws to Jones; and a lot more were on the not-very-accurate TD completions to Tonyan and Jones.  So in a sense, I didn't feel like the passer rating really reflected very accurate throwing by the QB. 

I assume after the season we'll get further reports about how hurt he's been all season, and how that's compromised all of his throwing stuff.  I think he's got hurts considerably beyond just the knee. 

Again, Rodgers has been an amazing player for the Packers over his career.  He flashes that at times, and the hope that he'll put it back together and play like GOAT underlies all of our hopes that they might still catch fire and run the table this year.  Or come back next year and be a contender.  He's carried the franchise for years, and I still hope he can do that again.  But for now, he isn't playing great enough to make it happen.   

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: what happened, what now
« Last post by SB XLIX on November 16, 2018, 05:58:54 AM »
If Rodgers hadn't wasted two timeouts in the 2nd half, maybe MM would have challenged the catch.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by scoremore on November 16, 2018, 05:31:07 AM »
Should have never come to 4th down.  MVS was open Rodgers threw it in the dirt.  Same stupid mistakes.   Way too many penalties on special teams.  Anytime we get a decent return there is a flag.  Ongoing theme all season.  3rd and 3 get the first down it is not the time to take a deep shot.  Offense looks like sandlot football out there.  They have a mini bye week to try to get things fixed but as of yet haven't seen anything different.   Same mistakes over and over.  I'm not going to chew MM on the no challenge.  They probably didn't get the right angle on it in time.  The refs were jobbing us all game.  We haven't gotten calls all season for that matter. 

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / what happened, what now
« Last post by packlaw on November 16, 2018, 05:15:42 AM »
Lets give credit where credit is due.  The defense played extremely well with its patchwork secondary and depleted line.  Both Clark and Daniels were out in the final drives.  Rogers had a good game statistically; but didn't deliver in the end.  This game should of been put away before the final few minutes.  This loss isn't on Rogers unless it was he who decided to take the ball out of Jones' hands in the second quarter.  It wasn't Rogers who didn't challenge the alleged catch on the winning drive.  This falls on the coach and his inability to change his ways.  He has the player to run the ball to set up the pass.  Aside from Adams, his receivers are raw and have a difficult time getting open or coming back to Rogers when he scrambles.  When the run is abandoned, the defense covers the routes and pressure is applied to Rogers as the young receivers can't get open.  Now it is simple, run the table and your in and lose won more and your fate is in the hands of others and a second loss ends the season for sure.  Can it be done.  The odds are not with this injury depleted team run by a man set in his ways.  The chance for the playoffs are slim; but we will discover who we keep to build a better team next year and who will be gone (Cobb, Perry, Mathews and MM}






















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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Seahawks Game Day Thread
« Last post by rock county on November 15, 2018, 10:37:43 PM »
Was surprised they did not go for it on 4th and two.

Especially since we had two hurt starting DL and Hawks have best running game in NFL.


and especially because of the difficulty we've had winning at Seattle.

Head coaching call. Bad call. That call should be the last call that McCarthy makes. Time to go.
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