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Offline Twain

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2017, 05:35:27 AM »
The first post in this thread is a little misleading. Although it says 2018 Draft, what it talks about is a QB, Wyoming's Josh Allen. All I'm doing is continuing to point out other QBs of note and when they play interesting opponents. I don't expect the Packers to get one of these guys, though they just might get a QB late in the draft.
Think about this. The Browns have 5 picks out of the first 32.  They could draft 2 of these guys and have a competition to see who they keep.  Of course, being the Browns they would screw it up.  :D

The Brpwns will keep trading until they have 22 picks in the first round and can draft an entire starting line up.  Or maybe 25 so they can draft the specialists in the first round as well. ;D
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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2017, 09:43:21 PM »
This is one of the best drafts in recent years for a QB, if they all come out.

There are not just four or five.  There are really seven to eight.

If we end up at sub five hundred, which is a  possibility, we will have a shot at one in the second round.

What happens with Hundley will determine whether we should take one.  Do not forget, we have a few picks to trade up with.

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2017, 08:28:11 PM »
This is one of the best drafts in recent years for a QB, if they all come out.

There are not just four or five.  There are really seven to eight.

If we end up at sub five hundred, which is a  possibility, we will have a shot at one in the second round.

What happens with Hundley will determine whether we should take one.  Do not forget, we have a few picks to trade up with.
rather not spend a second round draft pick on back- up GBP. Sign a vet for that. We need help on defense 1st , or maybe a big play type receiver.

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2017, 08:39:41 PM »
Did you watch the game tonight?

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #19 on: November 07, 2017, 08:48:27 AM »
Guys, we have big time receivers except at the tight end position, which the performance at that position continues to erode!  Mark Andrews is a bigger version of Jason Whitten, which is the way I would go.

On defense, FIRE CAPERS!

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #20 on: November 07, 2017, 02:58:46 PM »
Defenses win Championships. Draft Pass Rusher, Corner, Tackle, TE. These are the positions of need for next year.

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #21 on: November 07, 2017, 03:53:54 PM »
Did you watch the game tonight?
I did, much to my dismay! Still don't want to draft a qb that high, as I said find a veteran backup. Use the picks for all the other positions , and there are a lot, to upgrade the talent on this team. When we're closer to Rodgers retirement then you do it!

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #22 on: November 08, 2017, 09:10:30 AM »
There have been many QBs with excellent arm strength that have been busts. Ryan Leaf had the big arm, and at the time some thought he should have been drafted above Peyton Manning.   facepalm)

Certainly an NFL QB needs a minimum arm strength to flourish, but to my mind you have to answer three main questions.
1) Can he read a defense - that's the biggest reason a QB that has done well in college, fails in the NFL. Without being in the guys head, it can be rather difficult to work that one out - though GMs/Scouts who can question him using film, clips can go a long way to sort this out.
2) Can he put the ball where he wants to put it (this is where arm strength helps, but it also needs accuracy and touch)
3) Can he move enough in the pocket to buy a little time (statues, even big-built guys, don't tend to do well in the NFL).

There's a ton of other important things like leadership and durability, but for me the three things I mentioned are key.

If you look at the history finding a QB in the draft has been a very difficult thing for NFL GMs to master.  How many times have GMs spent high picks on "sure fire" QBs only to see them crash and burn?   Some back in 2008 thought Brohm was going to push Rodgers for the starting spot.  Here is a list of the top 15 from 2013:

https://fansided.com/2016/04/20/15-biggest-nfl-quarterback-busts-time/7/


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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #23 on: November 08, 2017, 09:14:06 AM »
Keep an eye out for these games that feature good QBs against difficult opponents.

QB Lamar Jackson (Louisville) vs Florida St. on the 21st Oct.
QB Josh Allen (Wyoming) vs BYU on 21st Oct.
QB Josh Rosen (UCLA), vs  Sam Darnold (USC) on 28 Oct. Sam Darnold is only a sophomore.
QB Mason Rudolph (Oklahoma St.) vs Baker Mayfield (Oklahoma) on 4th Nov
QB Luke Falk (Washington St) vs Washington,  on 25 Nov.

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Are we considering drafting AR's replacement?

If all those QB's are in the 2018 draft, they will (likely) be selected much higher than the Packers will be thinking about taking a QB...........and that would only be if (BIG IF) they end up trading Hundley between now and the draft.

If we are just watching good QB's play, then by all means "keep calm and chive on".

I think it might be a tad early to draft Rodgers replacement.  AR will still has at least 5 years next year before he hits 40.

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #24 on: November 11, 2017, 01:39:40 PM »
Ben Fennell:

Not the sexiest/deepest draft coming up, but there are some rich positions - RB & LB!

This off-ball LB group is going to be a fun study.. Pending injuries/declaring

Allen, R.Smith, C.Smith, Jefferson, Jewell, Moore, Joseph, Evans, Scales, Hamilton, Cichy, Morgan, Kiser, Baker

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #25 on: November 11, 2017, 02:06:24 PM »
It's worth mentioning that depending on the wins, you can make a rough guess where the Packers will draft. Based on the last 4 years, here are some examples.

5 wins all season - Packers will probably pick between picks   5-8 (That means just one win for the rest of the season, pretty depressing if that pans out).
6 wins all season - Packers will probably pick between picks   8-11 (two more wins).
7 wins all season - Packers will probably pick between picks 11-16 (three more wins).

I'm guessing that in 2018 the Packers go offense heavy (though two early picks for defense are likely).
Defense OLB, CB.      A second developmental CB is very possible. A good OLB is probably a first or second round pick
Offense OT, OG, WR flanker, TE, QB.      WR needs to be an early pick to eventually play as a 1/2 opposite Adams. He is best drafted this year, so he can spend a couple of years to get to good starter level. OT is probably a second or third rounder, though it does depend on how Spriggs is projected after the rest of this year. Guard is likely a fourth, as Ted has had great success with interior linemen there. TE is probably a later developmental pick, with QB late or even rookie FA. Long snapper is also a possibility, but would most likely be a rookie FA.

OLB, CBx2, OT, G, WR, TE, QB. That is 8 picks. The Packers should get three compensatory picks - an extra 3rd, 5th and two 7ths, that is 10 picks. The two picks beyond the 8 I mentioned could go anywhere (but other needs may appear depending on who is lost after this season).

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #26 on: November 11, 2017, 02:53:29 PM »
If GB ends up in the top ten how likely is TT to trade down? I feel like he would thoroughly explore options to trade down and accumulate more picks. I don't know if we would end up with two firsts though, which would be ideal.

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #27 on: November 11, 2017, 04:17:37 PM »
If GB ends up in the top ten how likely is TT to trade down? I feel like he would thoroughly explore options to trade down and accumulate more picks. I don't know if we would end up with two firsts though, which would be ideal.

I think we've got 12 picks next year. Have no clue where they'll all fall but if we stink it up so bad we've earned a seat at the Top Draft Pick table again - I'd just soon stay there and play a few hands.

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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #28 on: November 11, 2017, 04:53:56 PM »

I think we've got 12 picks next year. Have no clue where they'll all fall but if we stink it up so bad we've earned a seat at the Top Draft Pick table again - I'd just soon stay there and play a few hands.

Thanks Leader., I think you are right The Packers do seem to have 12 picks next year. I remembered the 3 compensatory picks, but forgot there are other picks gained. Can anyone confirm we get an extra 6th and 7th, for deals done (12 picks in all)
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Re: 2018 Draft
« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2017, 09:52:04 AM »
It's too early to know where all the 2018 prospects will shake out, but something like this might help the Packers weaker areas. Any of the prospects listed may go higher or lower than i have them, but it gives an indication of where they are ranked by some, now.

1) OLB Harold Landry 6'3", 250, Boston
2) OT Jamarco Jones 6'5", 310 Ohio St.
3) CB M.J.Stewart 6'0", 200lb 4.48 (est) N.Carolina
3c) WR Deebo Samuel 6'0", 205, 4.48 (est) S.Carolina (recovering from a broken leg)
4) G/C Frank Ragnow 6'5", 317 Arkansas
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