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Title: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: The GM on February 01, 2018, 08:18:46 AM
I got three words for Van Pelt not being retained and Rodgers being miffed:  Brett Hundley Unprepared.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/22285473



Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: marklawrence on February 01, 2018, 09:54:46 AM
Aaron was on the radio this morning being interviewed.  He's not happy his position coach didn't get retained.  He liked his coach and he wasn't consulted when the change was being considered.  He thought some of the changes were "odd" but that one he didn't like.

He said to get back to a championship level they need to have a much stronger defense (almost in those words),  that all the final 4 teams had very good defenses.

My take listening to him is he's looking at what they are doing and deciding what that means for him and his future.  And he's not sure he likes what he sees--some of it he definitely doesn't like and he really didn't like not being consulted on something that was near and dear to him.

McCarthy got a 1 year extension, so he's on a short leash. Aaron is a free agent after 2019. If I'm Aaron I want to see some positive results quickly. If he doesn't see progress it could get ugly.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on February 01, 2018, 12:22:35 PM
Van Pelt was let go because of Hundley.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: ricky on February 02, 2018, 01:09:17 AM
Van Pelt's contract lapsed. He decided not to re-sign with the Packers, at least partially (apparently) because the team has a habit of not letting their coaches try to advance to more responsible positions with other teams. Van Pelt wanted to move further up the coaching ladder. So, even though the Packers offered to extend his contract, he refused. He was not fired; he decided he had gotten as far as he was going to ascend in GB, and made a lateral move to Cincy, with the plan being to move into an OC slot next year. Proof? Read this tweet:

Jason Wilde

@jasonjwilde
Alex Van Pelt did not sign an extension before the 2017 season because he wanted to be able to pursue a coordinator job. Mike McCarthy has historically blocked position coaches from coordinator interviews if under contract. Ben McAdoo did same thing after being blocked.

9:20 AM - Feb 1, 2018
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So, Rodgers is saying he's not happy? During contract negotiaitons, where the team needs him much more than he needs the team? How shocking. Here's the entire article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/02/01/aaron-rodgers-says-packers-let-quarterbacks-coach-go-without-consulting-me/?utm_term=.b382d1827011

Rodgers is clearly indicating, with this quote that, indeed, the defense needs to get better, which has been obvious to Packers fans for years:

“I’d say we’re not too far off. If you look at the final four teams that were in it, three of the four have dominating defenses, and the other one is the Patriots, which are often the most well-coached team in the NFL,” Rodgers said. “You’re looking at what Jacksonville did with their defense; what obviously Minnesota, what they do with their defense; and Philly was phenomenal. We need to get back to playing championship defense.”

Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: craig on February 03, 2018, 05:32:31 AM
The talk from Murphy etc. was to "improve communication".  So here we have a deal where there was no communication with Rodgers. 

He's not the president or the coach or Russ Ball, so I can understand the the administrators only feeling like they need to communicate with each other, not with players. 

But given that Aaron is the face of the franchise, that he does a million interviews, and that he's the QB who works closely wth the QB coach, I think it would have been wise and respectful to give Aaron a call, and discuss it with him, or explain the situation.  A "communications" omission. 
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: TAYLORBOY on February 03, 2018, 08:23:56 AM
I think the old Colts GM had a saying that fits here........

" when a GM/HC starts listening to the fans it won't be long until he is sitting with them"

fans/player is about the same

Last player Packers had who had input was named "Curly"
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: claymaker on February 03, 2018, 08:41:22 AM
I think he's overestimating his influence. I don't understand why you would say that after he's already been let go and a new QB coach has been put in place.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: Tony on February 03, 2018, 09:54:36 AM
Rodger’s is intelligent and I believe, loyal.  However, looking back at the last several years, he could easily make the arguement that the organization has continually asked him to shoulder more than his fair share of the heavy lifting.  I’d be frustrated too.  Especially when half the cast of characters around him go down like flies with injuries every year, with no plan - or help.  It was like, “hey Aaron, just do more.”  I believe that will change moving forward.  Sadly, many good years were lost to ultra-conservatism by the org, and I understand AR’s frustration.  If he were to take his talents elsewhere, like everyone outside of 1265 would like to have happen, I’d hope that fans wouldn’t act surprised.

There’s no use lamenting the past at this point - we can only hope to salvage the remaining time we still have AR in the fold.  And it’s quite possible that time may be short.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: dannobanano on February 03, 2018, 11:47:54 AM
What will be, will be.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757448-aaron-rodgers-says-he-may-have-to-leave-packers-during-career (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2757448-aaron-rodgers-says-he-may-have-to-leave-packers-during-career)


Quote
If Aaron Rodgers is able to play in the NFL for as long as he hopes, he believes it could result in playing for another organization other than the Green Bay Packers.

Per Arnie Stapleton of the Associated Press, Rodgers said he would like to play into his 40s and compared his situation with the Packers to Brett Favre's.

"I think you have to be humble enough to realize if it could happen to Brett, it can happen to you," he said.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: craig on February 03, 2018, 02:45:50 PM
....fans/player is about the same   Last player Packers had who had input was named "Curly"
Maybe that's the way it is, and that's the way it should be, I don't know. 

Even if you weren't going to consider input from Aaron, you might still contact him as a highly interested/impacted party to tell him the news, and perhaps to explain the decision.  Seems like a harmless courtesy and show of respect to one of your guys.  Communication. 
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: TAYLORBOY on February 04, 2018, 05:09:52 AM
I wonder if anyone has told AR/fans that Van Pelt DIDN'T sign a contract...Van Pelt WANTED to be a FA
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: ricky on February 04, 2018, 05:43:47 AM
I wonder if anyone has told AR/fans that Van Pelt DIDN'T sign a contract...Van Pelt WANTED to be a FA

EXACTLY! All this talk about "Van Pelt was let go" is incorrect. He was offered a contract. He refused to sign the contract. His contract ran out and he moved on. This was his choice. Could the Packers have retained him? Probably, IF they had promoted him from being the QB coach. Which could have caused problems, if AR had chosen to talk to Van Pelt rather than his new QB coach about his concerns. A brief bio on Cignetti: http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/cignetti-jr-frank/82a5c3f1-179c-4f7d-89b5-5e9e82704e9e

Rodgers, probably like most of us, doesn't really like change being thrust on him. Will he get along with Cignetti? Stay tuned. But he has to be at least a bit happier with Philbin back on the staff. So, we'll see. But I get the feeling if the Packers are winning and the offense is clicking and the defense is improved, AR will be happy. And if he really can't adjust to the new QB coach, well, then the team will move on to another coach. And perhaps a new head coach if the team doesn't win a SB.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: RT on February 06, 2018, 07:15:07 PM
Strange to see Rodgers make uninformed comments. If he had such a great relationship with Van Pelt he would have known that it was Van Pelt's decision to leave, not the Packers. Not to sound too harsh, but Rodgers should take a page from the Belichick manual and ' just do your job'.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: Kepler on February 07, 2018, 04:44:07 PM
Strange to see Rodgers make uninformed comments. If he had such a great relationship with Van Pelt he would have known that it was Van Pelt's decision to leave, not the Packers. Not to sound too harsh, but Rodgers should take a page from the Belichick manual and ' just do your job'.

Agreed. I felt exactly the same way. It's not like they would consult Matthews for a lb coach.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: JQ on February 07, 2018, 05:36:48 PM
Strange to see Rodgers make uninformed comments. If he had such a great relationship with Van Pelt he would have known that it was Van Pelt's decision to leave, not the Packers. Not to sound too harsh, but Rodgers should take a page from the Belichick manual and ' just do your job'.

Agreed. I felt exactly the same way. It's not like they would consult Matthews for a lb coach.

+2 Rodgers need not be “consulted” about personnel matters, although I do think the Packer High Command could have notified him of Van Pelt’s decision as a professional courtesy.


SideBar: It’s great to see a “PackerChatters” web search has a working link again:

http://calsci.com/PackerChatters/index.php (http://calsci.com/PackerChatters/index.php)


Thanks again Mark, for your diligence.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: SB XLIX on February 09, 2018, 01:17:33 PM
I think having a defense that can compete with the offense will go a long ways to helping AR forget about this "controversy".
I'm sure AR is just annoyed with having to break in and train another QB coach.  At this moment it might be hard to see the upside of this change.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: marklawrence on February 09, 2018, 02:36:01 PM
I think having a defense that can compete with the offense will go a long ways to helping AR forget about this "controversy".
I'm sure AR is just annoyed with having to break in and train another QB coach.  At this moment it might be hard to see the upside of this change.

Evidence is starting to accumulate that Aaron is unhappy with the team that he helped build - picking in the high 20s every year has not been kind to our roster. It turns out that it would be good to pick in the low teens perhaps one year in three. Meanwhile, we haven't picked a blue chip player since Clay, and we need about two more. We won't be getting two more this year.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: SKOLmeansNEXTyear on February 11, 2018, 09:17:57 AM
I think having a defense that can compete with the offense will go a long ways to helping AR forget about this "controversy".
I'm sure AR is just annoyed with having to break in and train another QB coach.  At this moment it might be hard to see the upside of this change.

Evidence is starting to accumulate that Aaron is unhappy with the team that he helped build - picking in the high 20s every year has not been kind to our roster. It turns out that it would be good to pick in the low teens perhaps one year in three. Meanwhile, we haven't picked a blue chip player since Clay, and we need about two more. We won't be getting two more this year.

What do you mean by blue chip? Clay was picked 26 or so right? We could get another good-great player, no one knows for sure how anyone turns out.
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: phanatic1 on February 11, 2018, 05:01:36 PM
I guess what puzzles me is that ARod knew that Van Pelt's contract had run out and he made it pretty clear after last season that he had hopes of getting an OC job after this season and was looking to pursue some other opportunities.  His leaving should not have been a surprise. I find it hard to believe that with all of the time they have spent together, the subject never came up. 

I have been critical of MM and many of his decisions, but it seems like he didn't owe a call to Arod telling him that Van Pelt was leaving.  It sounds like everyone pretty much knew it anyway. 
Title: Re: Rodgers Miffed QB Coach Was Let Go?
Post by: SB XLIX on February 12, 2018, 07:00:21 AM
Since there were articles posted last offseason about AR talking up Van Pelt as OC for other teams, he must think Van Pelt was qualified to be GB's OC, and should have been considered.
I don't think Rodgers was "miffed", I just think he's letting Van Pelt know that he wasn't part of the movement to bring in someone else.