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This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by marklawrence on Today at 11:16:56 AM »
Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.

Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by heikks86 on Today at 10:19:23 AM »
Cobb still makes plays and is a good player, Hunt and Johnson did nothing for the Packers after getting their contracts. The Hunt signing could be the worst especially since they chose to sign him over Vonnie Holiday
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on Today at 05:57:08 AM »
Colts?  Giants?  Seattle? how would you like to be a fan of them right now?  Gute has had 1 year.  Give the man a chance.   We have been a perennial playoff team for what 10 years now?  Missed last year for obvious reasons.  It's fine to want more.  It would be great if we could win a Superbowl every year.  Not going to happen. MM has been a highly successful coach.  The Packers with the exception of last year are always in the hunt.  Don't you think Gute was in discussions on Mack?  I am sure he tried.  We couldn't match what Chicago offered.  We just signed Aaron remember? 

Yes many Packer fans are spoiled.  Hit a little bump in the road and it's time to blow it all up.  People calling for MM's head.  Unbelievable to me really.  We have a new Defensive Coordinator.  It takes time for players to adjust to the new scheme.  The D will come around.  On offense we also have a new coordinator.  A number of young players particularly at WR.  Graham is also new.  Takes time for these guys to hit their stride.   Oh and not to mention Aaron is seriously limited with the knee.   Special teams several young players as well.  No excuse for the penalties.  Listened to MM's presser he's well aware of the issue they will get it cleaned up.

You talk of reducing salaries of Cobb and Matthews.  Really think it is all that easy?  What if they refuse?  Cut them?  Both guys are up at the end of the year.  I would like both of them back as they are still good players.  At their current salaries no. 

One last point you state the Packers are content.  We just changed GM, Offensive, and Defensive coordinators.  The Packers clearly are not content.

Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by scoremore on October 17, 2018, 05:15:58 PM »
Colts?  Giants?  Seattle? how would you like to be a fan of them right now?  Gute has had 1 year.  Give the man a chance.   We have been a perennial playoff team for what 10 years now?  Missed last year for obvious reasons.  It's fine to want more.  It would be great if we could win a Superbowl every year.  Not going to happen. MM has been a highly successful coach.  The Packers with the exception of last year are always in the hunt.  Don't you think Gute was in discussions on Mack?  I am sure he tried.  We couldn't match what Chicago offered.  We just signed Aaron remember? 

Yes many Packer fans are spoiled.  Hit a little bump in the road and it's time to blow it all up.  People calling for MM's head.  Unbelievable to me really.  We have a new Defensive Coordinator.  It takes time for players to adjust to the new scheme.  The D will come around.  On offense we also have a new coordinator.  A number of young players particularly at WR.  Graham is also new.  Takes time for these guys to hit their stride.   Oh and not to mention Aaron is seriously limited with the knee.   Special teams several young players as well.  No excuse for the penalties.  Listened to MM's presser he's well aware of the issue they will get it cleaned up.

You talk of reducing salaries of Cobb and Matthews.  Really think it is all that easy?  What if they refuse?  Cut them?  Both guys are up at the end of the year.  I would like both of them back as they are still good players.  At their current salaries no. 

One last point you state the Packers are content.  We just changed GM, Offensive, and Defensive coordinators.  The Packers clearly are not content. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on October 17, 2018, 12:45:48 PM »
Can't disagree with this. The Packers' problems are obvious, too, since every media outlet is seeing the same things which makes it baffling that the organization seems blind to them. Gutekunst did little to improve an already flawed roster inherited from Thompson. Awful lot like the end of Favre's career where he begged them to bring in a few big free agents that would put them over the top and show a commitment to "win now". Rodgers' clock is ticking, and we're still building for the future. McCarthy has been coasting for years and should have been gone after the Seattle fiasco. That no one was fired for that illustrated the lack of accountability within the organization. That seems to be a major problem in GB. No one is ever held accountable for poor performance in the front office or coaching staff so why should the players care about making the same mistakes week after week?

Gute did a very good job this year.  Done little?  Totally disagree.  He had an excellent draft and brought in several FA's.  Rome wan't built in a day.  As for MM and Seattle he was playing the odds.  Let's see how the season plays out before jumping on the fire MM train.  I'll stand up for him he is an very good coach.  Agree with some points in the article but for the most part see it as an overreaction.  Cut Perry?  No.  Rebuild right side of the line?  Yes.  Kick returner? Yes.  Fire MM NO!  Jones can't pass block.  Add to WR?  Depends on Cobb.  Matthews should be re signed and moved inside.  Zook?  yes special teams have been a problem all year.  He needs to get this fixed now otherwise show him the door. 

I'll add Packer fans have become spoiled.  Be careful what you wish for.  I am not in the blow it up camp.  Do we have the horses this year?  Probably not we'll need another year to add a few more pieces.  Remember also Aaron is playing injured.  Very tough schedule coming up if Pack can take one of the next 2 games we'll be ok.  A lot of season left let's see how it shakes out.

Ah, the ever popular, "Packers fans are spoiled" excuse for the team underperforming year after year. Nevermind that during McCarthy's tenure, the Colts, Giants, Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, and Broncos have been to more Super Bowls despite Green Bay having two Hall of Fame QBs in that span. McCarthy is a mediocre coach, at best, who has been carried by two premier QBs. The moment they've been gone, his teams aren't even competitive. He hasn't developed a single backup in a decade who could even perform at a journeyman level. He would be the most overrated coach in the league except he never comes up in any discussions of best coaches currently coaching.

Rome wasn't built in a day? How many draft picks have we spent on the defense over the last few years and still have zero pass rush, no safeties who can figure out where they're supposed to be, or any game-changing talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have watched running backs routinely run around the end and gouge them for big gains this season because there is no speed on the defense. But guys make up for it by not being able to tackle when they're in position. If Gute were serious about winning now, he would have made the move for Mack and/or Thomas and found a way to reduce the cost of overpaid veterans like Cobb and Matthews. This organization has been far too content for far too long to win a crappy division every year and get bounced in the second round of the playoffs while thinking they're the Patriots of the NFC.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by skcusICH on October 17, 2018, 12:44:36 PM »
It's easy to say replace this guy and that guy and the team will be better. Every team and fan base recognizes that with their team.

This writer wants to replace 2 starting OLB's, a starting WR, a starting FS, a starting CB, a starting RT, a starting RG, your top backup tackle, a backup OLB, and find a return guy. If it was as simple as signing this guy and drafting that guy, every GM would be successful and teams wouldn't have holes. Finding a guy who is better than you already have isn't cut and dry.

It's going to take more draft capital and cap money than is available to actually see a meaningful improvement in all those areas.

It's a revolving door around the league. Every team faces it. You get one weak position group shored up and now you're facing the task of shoring up another weak group the following year. It's like road construction. It never ends. Rinse and repeat. You complete one area and it's always ready to start in another area. That's the NFL salary cap and structure at work. It's a good thing in my opinion.

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by skcusICH on October 17, 2018, 12:22:07 PM »
How about Martellus Bennett with his $8 million of cash paid to him for 7 games of dropped passes, an idiotic unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, little production, and fake injuries? Tack on a $4.2 million cap hit for the current 2018 season. Then he tops it off with running his mouth about the organization and the doctors.

Would gladly take Cobb's production, run blocking, contract, and team first approach over that mess.

Maybe Cobb hasn't lived up to his contract, but when accounting for salary inflation, it's a far stretch to say he's been a bigger failure than Joe Johnson and Cletidus Hunt. Just my opinion, but I don't think it's even comparable.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on October 17, 2018, 12:20:20 PM »
Tony Mandarich
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by PackerYakker on October 17, 2018, 11:18:44 AM »
Every team in the NFL has dished out lucrative, long-term deals that players never managed to live up to. GB has had their fair share, Joe Johnson's 6yr/$33M ('02), Hunt's 6yr/$25M ('03), Hawk's 5yr/$34M ('11) and Matthews' 5yr/$66M ('13), among others. Some of those deals were sensibly terminated early. Some weren't. Regardless, GB didn't get their moneys worth on any of them. Identifying the biggest overpayment in team history is somewhat tricky. You have to calculate the total payout as a percentage of the salary cap(s), then make a somewhat subjective assessment of a players production, or lack thereof. While all of the above contracts turned out to be bad deals for the team, none of them appear to represent the biggest overpayment in team history. All things considered, a case can be made that another one of GB's current players is in fact the All-Time Most Overpaid Packer. The MOP!

In '15, Randall Cobb signed a 4yr/$40M deal that constituted elite money for the WR position. During the previous season, Cobb had the great fortune of playing alongside Nelson, who by that time had worked himself into a truly elite WR. It was Nelson's talents, particularly his ability to stretch the field, that opened things up for Cobb to have a banner year (91 rec, 14.1 ypc) and get his monster deal. Yet in '15, sans Nelson, Cobb was exposed as little more than a complimentary player, unable to stretch the field, excel on the boundary or truly threaten defenses in any other way.

In the three full seasons Cobb has played since signing the current deal, he's been just a guy. Despite being in his physical prime and playing mostly with a Hall of Fame QB, he's posted a mediocre 10.2 ypc average on 4.6 rec/game. His widely touted "versatility" has been a myth. He's averaged 3.5 yds/carry out of the backfield and hasn't regularly returned kicks or punts. All told, he's produced ~50 yds of total offense per game over those three seasons. He hasn't scored many touchdowns either, averaging 4.7 per season. In short, Cobb production hasn't come close to justifying his salary in any of the first three seasons.

Now, six games into the final year, Cobb is still the same guy he's been since '15. Minus one fluky play vs. CHI, he's averaging 7.4 ypc on the season (11.4 overall). His meltdown vs. WAS was a key factor in that loss. And now he's missed three straight games with a hamstring injury. In his absence, GB posted it's three highest passing yardage totals of the season, with a bunch of rookies filling in. The offense doesn't seem to have missed Cobb at all.

Unlike many of GB's other bad deals, where the team cut their losses early, Cobb has inexplicably been allowed to play out his entire contract, unaltered, making nearly elite money for middling production the entire way. Whether he was injured or there were other mitigating circumstances for his pedestrian performance is irrelevant. The issue at hand is production and Cobb's contract has far exceeded his contributions on the field. Average slot receivers aren't drawing $10M deals in free agency. For example, Danny Amendola put up comparable numbers to Cobb the past three seasons in NE and signed a 2yr/$12M deal with MIA this offseason. GB could've cut Cobb, fully paid him or another veteran receiver and had money to spare. There was no compelling reason to fork over top dollar again for Cobb's services.

The book on Cobb's deal isn't fully written yet. There are still 10 games left in the season. If he continues to produce like he has since '15, he has to go down as the all-time MOP.
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