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NFL Talk / Re: Vikings paying for Cousins deal
« Last post by raptorman on Today at 06:27:14 AM »
Eric Kendricks just had to reword his contract to sign their first round pick.

Kyle Rudolph negotiations just fell apart.  And he says he will not take pay cut.

If he stays on the books at his current price they are 800,000 dollars under the limit.

The Kirk Cousins deal is eating at them in its second year.

And from his performance last year, he does not appear to be the kind of QB who is good enough to boost them over the top.

I questioned at acquisition when it happened and others, like ricky, agreed it would come back to haunt them.  If they could keep Rudolph that would be neat for them since they could play a 2 tight end offense with the rookie Smith.  But I don't think they can.  Imagine what is going to happen next year.

Kinda hilarious if you ask me.  The difference in Cousin's contract and Rodgers is $2.5 million.  So you are telling me that the Vikings are paying for it over $2.5 million.   So, does that mean next year when Rodgers cap his is higher than Cousins the Packers will be in trouble? 
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On the Streets / Re: Mark's Movie Reviews
« Last post by marklawrence on May 19, 2019, 09:42:01 PM »
John wick 3: parabellum

More. More senseless. More gratuitous. More violence.

John was an assassin, but got out cause he got one of Brady's leftovers. But then some Russian punk stole his car and shot his dog.  So, lots of running around and finally he kills the Russian punk. That's part 1.

Then daddy comes after him.  Lotsa mayhem, finally he kills daddy. But he kills him in the hotel where business can't be conducted. Wick is now png. That's part 2.

Now the entire criminal underworld is after him. Every assassin in the entire world wants wick and the $15m bounty. He had to kill a seemingly endless string of thugs. That's part 3. I've left out stunningly little of the plot.

The fight scenes weren't even that good mostly.  And, i gotta say, when you're a part of the thug army and you see hundreds of your buddy's bite the dust, with the one single target more or less unhurt, don't you check out at some point?

OTOH, it did knock avengers out of the top spot, so that's something.

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by B on May 19, 2019, 09:11:58 PM »
For what it's worth:

Oren Burks 6' 3", 233 lbs, 33 3/8-inch arms
Devin Bush 5' 11", 234 lbs, 32 inch arms
Kendrall Donnerson 6' 3" 250 lbs, 33 inch arms

Three-cone drill:
Burks 6.82 seconds
Bush 6.93 seconds
Donnerson 7.06

20 yard Shuffle
Burks 4.15
Bush 4.23
Donnerson 4.37

40 time:
Burks 4.59
Bush 4.44
Donnerson 4.44

Vertical jump:
Burks 39.5 inches
Bush 40.5 inches
Donnerson 40 inches

Broad jump:
Burks 10 feet, 11 inches
Bush 10 feet, 4 inches
Donnerson 10 feet, 11 inches

 

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by B on May 19, 2019, 11:55:26 AM »
Thanks Danno, Kendall certainly has all the physical talent in the World to compete -- 4.44 in the 40-yard dash, 1.55-second time in the first ten yards, a 40-inch vertical, and a 10-foot-11 broad jump, 7.03-second in the 3-cone drill... the developmental process for him will be much more between the ears than anything below the neck.

He came into the league pretty raw and green. It is great to hear about his off season hard work. At minimum he ought to be a great special teams contributor and some awfully talented depth.

Another 3rd year player that gets lost in the shuffle is Blake Martinez with his 144 tackles, five sacks and 2nd on defense 1,049 snaps. He has such a veterans' presence that it is easy to forget he is only entering his 3rd season.

Blake wants to take his game to a whole new level, and apparently has really been putting in the work physically and mentally to get there. In his own words:

“I basically gained seven pounds and lost 3½ percent body fat, which the strength and conditioning coaches say equated to losing eight pounds of fat and gaining 15 pounds of muscle. I’m not messing around this year. Last year, I wasn’t happy. A lot of things went into it.”

“There’s a lot of things I want to keep improving on, whether it’s tackling, coverage, rush, turnovers, forced fumbles. Anything you can do along the line of a middle linebacker, it’s one of those things that I’m going to keep striving for.”


Speaking of hungry to get better, Oren Burks certainly seems to fit that description headed into his 2nd season.

Martinez said of Burks recently:

“He’s a freak of nature. He’s got every ability in the book to be an amazing player and I think he’s working extremely hard every single day making sure he’s in the meeting rooms by himself, watching film, doing extra things, always asking me questions.”

Burks has been quite clear that he was disappointed with his rookie performance and doesn't hide behind the shoulder injury that clearly stunted his development.

“I know what type of ball I’m capable of playing, and I’m feeling like I didn’t live up to my own expectations. I’m hungry to get back after it, to prove to myself, prove to the team, my worth.”

“I feel like I got a taste of what I need to do this offseason to be ready to go when we come back for OTAs and get ready for the season. I’m excited for the future. My best ball is ahead of me. I’m hungry. I’m hungry to get back at it.”

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: RB
« Last post by dannobanano on May 19, 2019, 09:44:01 AM »
Packers RB receptions 2018:

Jamaal Williams 27
Aaron Jones 26
Ty Montgomery 15
Kapri Bibbs 3

Total 71

Titans RB receptions 2018:

Dion Lewis 59
Derrick Henry 15

Total 74

Not buying the big difference until I actually see it, danno. It may sound good that MLF is going to make Rodgers make those throws, but Rodgers will have opinions to get out of those plays. We will see soon enough the end results.

Not debating the number of receptions to RB's.

The gist of my point was regarding how many of the RB receptions, when comparing the Titans and Packers numbers, can be attributed to the RB's being the primary target as opposed to being a check down option.

My contention is that the RB's in MLF's offense will be primary targets more often than they have been in more recent Green Bay offenses. Green Bay could be moving more towards a horizontal (more traditional west coast) offense as opposed to being more vertical as they had become over the last several years. Doing so puts the ball in playmakers hands, like Jones, and let's them get YAC as opposed to forcing the ball down the field in a vertical passing game.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/film-study-lafleurs-playbook-swing-pass-207


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NFL Talk / Re: Vikings paying for Cousins deal
« Last post by ricky on May 19, 2019, 08:51:28 AM »
off topic, since this thread was supposed to be about the Vikings...……………..

Regarding the Bears and the Mack deal. Where would the Packers be right now if they had gone all out and signed Mack?

Mack's contract, along with Rodgers contract, would heave put this team in such cap hell that it would have remained there until after the Rodgers era ended (IMO).

Gute has now added 3 key pieces to the defense via free agency, and (hopefully) drafted smart with additional key defensive pieces to make the overall defense much better, rather than try and squeeze all those eggs into one player like it would have been with Mack.

It remains to be seen how it all plays out, but so far I approve of how Gute has handled it.

For sure. And I was one of those who really wanted Mack. But in hindsight, the Packers knew what they were doing. Kind of. Because there were many reports that the Packers were trying to sign Mack. Whether they had a limit, or the pay structure wasn't as good, or he just wanted to live in a bigger city is up for debate. But at least one sports reporter saw the future more clearly than a lot of others:

https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/packers-reporter-thinks-green-bay-won-khalil-mack-chicago-trade
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: RB
« Last post by RT on May 19, 2019, 08:33:30 AM »
Packers RB receptions 2018:

Jamaal Williams 27
Aaron Jones 26
Ty Montgomery 15
Kapri Bibbs 3

Total 71

Titans RB receptions 2018:

Dion Lewis 59
Derrick Henry 15

Total 74

Not buying the big difference until I actually see it, danno. It may sound good that MLF is going to make Rodgers make those throws, but Rodgers will have opinions to get out of those plays. We will see soon enough the end results.
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NFL Talk / Re: Vikings paying for Cousins deal
« Last post by dannobanano on May 19, 2019, 08:04:51 AM »
off topic, since this thread was supposed to be about the Vikings...……………..

Regarding the Bears and the Mack deal. Where would the Packers be right now if they had gone all out and signed Mack?

Mack's contract, along with Rodgers contract, would heave put this team in such cap hell that it would have remained there until after the Rodgers era ended (IMO).

Gute has now added 3 key pieces to the defense via free agency, and (hopefully) drafted smart with additional key defensive pieces to make the overall defense much better, rather than try and squeeze all those eggs into one player like it would have been with Mack.

It remains to be seen how it all plays out, but so far I approve of how Gute has handled it.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by dannobanano on May 19, 2019, 07:54:08 AM »
This one will probably come up again when RT does his positional review for OLB's, but I thought I'd drop it in here so it doesn't get forgotten.

https://packerstalk.com/2019/05/19/watch-packers-donnerson-in-2019/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PackersTalk+%28PackersTalk.com%29

[Each year there’s always a candidate or two that end up making a big jump in year two, someone overlooked and unexpected. My “darkhorse” this season to make that unexpected jump is LB/Edge Rush Kendall Donnerson, 6’3″, 250 LBs, 4.4 40 yd dash, 40 inch vertical jump and a RAS score of 9.98 (exactly the same RAS as Rashon Gary #12 overall 2019, draft). If a certain “expected” player (Oren Burks) doesn’t make that second year jump, Donnerson may leap frog Burks on the depth chart.
For those who are unfamiliar with Donnerson, he was the #248 pick in the 7th Round of the 2018 NFL Draft. The Packers 3rd and final pick in that 7th round. Coming out of Southeast Missouri State, he was a long shot to even make the team. He ended his college career having started 21 of 45 games, 144 Tackles (84 Solo), 1 INT, 9 Passes Defended, 6 FF, 1 Fumble Recovery, #3 in school history in TFL (34.5), #4 in Sacks (12), and First Team All OVC. His athleticism impressed the Packers so much that he signed to the Practice Squad on September 2, 2018. Donnerson was promoted to the Active Roster on December 2, 2018 when Ibraheim Campbell was placed on Injured Reserve.
During the pre-season, Donnerson appeared to flash some good defense, registering a TFL and a FF during his limited time on the field, approximately 20 plays. Once on the active roster for the final four games, it was expected he’d see some playing time. Donnerson hoped he would be able to showcase his athletic ability that jumps off the page. Unfortunately he never saw a game day active roster. With the Packers 2018 season in the tank by that time, it should have been an easy decision to get Donnerson on the field. I’m guessing with the Head Coaching change it just wasn’t in the cards and maybe promoting him was a way to keep him for 2019.
I know Kendall put in a lot of hard work in the off season back in Arkansas. He spent time working on his skills with a close friend of mine, who described him as a freak athlete. Kendall worked on speed, agility, coordination, core training and instinct training. He performed with exceptional success, which will now hopefully transfer to the field this off season and earn him playing time in the Fall.
Watch out for Kendall Donnerson LB Green Bay Packers in the 2019 season! My selection for dark horse improvement!]
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: QB
« Last post by RT on May 19, 2019, 07:46:51 AM »
What I see is not a professional opinion and what the Packers front office and coaching staff see's is. It why I watch the Packers actions and attempt to read from there on all their moves and not get overly invested in my opinion. I share what I see, but if the Packers chose to put their faith in Kizer, I will attempt to see what they see and not declare them wrong for not sharing my thoughts.

Gute's investment in Kizer was not much, he traded a player that they probably were going to cut if they did not find a trade partner. He saw a player with physical tools and a season of hard lessens under his belt, certainly a player worth the roll of the dice. I am not pulling against the young man, I would love to see him be a success story, just a little leery is all.   
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