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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by heikks86 on Today at 05:10:34 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

I was reading more about that trade last month and found out that before the Hadl trade the Packers had an agreement with the Saints for Archie Manning but the Saints qb got hurt so they kept Manning and the trade fell through
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by marklawrence on Today at 02:39:04 PM »
The pats do not have a particularly awe-inspiring draft record. Belichick is a genius at grabbing role-playing vets and adjusting his scheme to put them in a place to succeed
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This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

That was the most brutal and harmful trade in Packers history. Is strong evidence for the case of separating the GM and HC positions. Someone needed to be in place to veto such a deal from a coach who was on his way out the door.

Agree with that. GMs and HCs that are already on the hot seat can get obsessed with veterans that just might "save my butt" that season. Generally they don't, and a HC/GM who is desperate to get that kind of guy will overpay, and worry about financial consequences later (if there is a later). If you think a HC and/or GM is in their last season, then either have a veto on purchases, or set a cap-spend limit for him/them.

Even though neither of these were the picks of a hot-seat coach, you need to try your damnedest to avoid the Joe Johnson (2002) or Martellus Bennett (2017) acquisitions.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by RT on Today at 01:32:41 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.

That was the most brutal and harmful trade in Packers history. Is strong evidence for the case of separating the GM and HC positions. Someone needed to be in place to veto such a deal from a coach who was on his way out the door.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on Today at 01:16:02 PM »
Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.

Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.

Amazing how the Broncos, Steelers, and Patriots can consistently have better success drafting at the bottom, and we can't. How many draft picks have we spent on defense over the last five years and have zero playmakers to show for it? They have gotten lit up routinely for years. We haven't been in the top 10 in points allowed since 2010, and we've been in the lower third of the league in points allowed 3 of the last 5. That's not even average. We have not had a sustained run of success. We have been good enough to win a crappy division then get bounced by better teams before making the Super Bowl. Seattle and Denver, in a much smaller window, had a better run than we've had during Rodgers' tenure, at least making it to two Super Bowls in three years. We've been to two in 20 years, and my list of teams with more success was limited McCarthy's tenure. If I had gone back 20 years to cover our last two appearances, there are several other teams you could have added to my list. McCarthy can say he's a highly successful coach all he likes, but highly successful coaches don't have to go around telling everyone else. Who's he trying to convince, the media or himself?
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Premontre1969 on Today at 12:33:16 PM »


Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.
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Low picks are the result of a winning record. But I agree with the sentiment that Thompson could’ve made much better picks with the draft positions that resulted from those records. Hopefully  our new management structure will bear better fruit, given the draft structure of the NFL.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by The GM on Today at 12:00:06 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.
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This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by marklawrence on Today at 11:16:56 AM »
Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.

Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by heikks86 on Today at 10:19:23 AM »
Cobb still makes plays and is a good player, Hunt and Johnson did nothing for the Packers after getting their contracts. The Hunt signing could be the worst especially since they chose to sign him over Vonnie Holiday
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