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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by RT on Today at 01:32:41 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.
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That was the most brutal and harmful trade in Packers history. Is strong evidence for the case of separating the GM and HC positions. Someone needed to be in place to veto such a deal from a coach who was on his way out the door.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on Today at 01:16:02 PM »
Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.

Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.

Amazing how the Broncos, Steelers, and Patriots can consistently have better success drafting at the bottom, and we can't. How many draft picks have we spent on defense over the last five years and have zero playmakers to show for it? They have gotten lit up routinely for years. We haven't been in the top 10 in points allowed since 2010, and we've been in the lower third of the league in points allowed 3 of the last 5. That's not even average. We have not had a sustained run of success. We have been good enough to win a crappy division then get bounced by better teams before making the Super Bowl. Seattle and Denver, in a much smaller window, had a better run than we've had during Rodgers' tenure, at least making it to two Super Bowls in three years. We've been to two in 20 years, and my list of teams with more success was limited McCarthy's tenure. If I had gone back 20 years to cover our last two appearances, there are several other teams you could have added to my list. McCarthy can say he's a highly successful coach all he likes, but highly successful coaches don't have to go around telling everyone else. Who's he trying to convince, the media or himself?
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Premontre1969 on Today at 12:33:16 PM »


Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.
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Low picks are the result of a winning record. But I agree with the sentiment that Thompson could’ve made much better picks with the draft positions that resulted from those records. Hopefully  our new management structure will bear better fruit, given the draft structure of the NFL.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by The GM on Today at 12:00:06 PM »
This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.

Set the club back many years.  Dan Devine orchestrated that disaster.  Hadl btw way the last starting QB to wear a jersey number over #19.  He wore #21.
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This one is easy: John Hadl. First we gave up five picks - 1,2,1,2,3 - then we gave him a nice contract. And we got 19 starts out of him. Someone should have gone to jail for this.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by marklawrence on Today at 11:16:56 AM »
Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.

Yes, it's all Thompson's fault for drafting in the high 20s every year. If we had had a few picks in the top 10, like MN and Chi, we would be in much better shape. But did Thompson get us a high pick? No. Never. I mean, seriously, how long has it been since we drafted in the top 3? It's just inexcusable how complacent they were about accepting low draft picks every single year.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: All-time Most Overpaid Packer (MOP)
« Last post by heikks86 on Today at 10:19:23 AM »
Cobb still makes plays and is a good player, Hunt and Johnson did nothing for the Packers after getting their contracts. The Hunt signing could be the worst especially since they chose to sign him over Vonnie Holiday
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on Today at 05:57:08 AM »
Colts?  Giants?  Seattle? how would you like to be a fan of them right now?  Gute has had 1 year.  Give the man a chance.   We have been a perennial playoff team for what 10 years now?  Missed last year for obvious reasons.  It's fine to want more.  It would be great if we could win a Superbowl every year.  Not going to happen. MM has been a highly successful coach.  The Packers with the exception of last year are always in the hunt.  Don't you think Gute was in discussions on Mack?  I am sure he tried.  We couldn't match what Chicago offered.  We just signed Aaron remember? 

Yes many Packer fans are spoiled.  Hit a little bump in the road and it's time to blow it all up.  People calling for MM's head.  Unbelievable to me really.  We have a new Defensive Coordinator.  It takes time for players to adjust to the new scheme.  The D will come around.  On offense we also have a new coordinator.  A number of young players particularly at WR.  Graham is also new.  Takes time for these guys to hit their stride.   Oh and not to mention Aaron is seriously limited with the knee.   Special teams several young players as well.  No excuse for the penalties.  Listened to MM's presser he's well aware of the issue they will get it cleaned up.

You talk of reducing salaries of Cobb and Matthews.  Really think it is all that easy?  What if they refuse?  Cut them?  Both guys are up at the end of the year.  I would like both of them back as they are still good players.  At their current salaries no. 

One last point you state the Packers are content.  We just changed GM, Offensive, and Defensive coordinators.  The Packers clearly are not content.

Thank you for confirming everything I said. This is a perfect example of the kind of complacency among certain Packer fans who always parrot McCarthy's excuses for why the team underperforms every year. Celebrating making the playoffs each year is for losers like the Vikings. The Packers like to pretend they're an elite franchise that is a legitimate contender every year like the Patriots or Steelers. In reality, they're a one-dimensional team (all offense, no defense) with a one-dimensional offense. Pretty much Marino's Dolphins of the 21st century. But you're more than happy to waste the latter half of Rodgers' career just like Favre's was as long as no one criticizes the organization.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by scoremore on October 17, 2018, 05:15:58 PM »
Colts?  Giants?  Seattle? how would you like to be a fan of them right now?  Gute has had 1 year.  Give the man a chance.   We have been a perennial playoff team for what 10 years now?  Missed last year for obvious reasons.  It's fine to want more.  It would be great if we could win a Superbowl every year.  Not going to happen. MM has been a highly successful coach.  The Packers with the exception of last year are always in the hunt.  Don't you think Gute was in discussions on Mack?  I am sure he tried.  We couldn't match what Chicago offered.  We just signed Aaron remember? 

Yes many Packer fans are spoiled.  Hit a little bump in the road and it's time to blow it all up.  People calling for MM's head.  Unbelievable to me really.  We have a new Defensive Coordinator.  It takes time for players to adjust to the new scheme.  The D will come around.  On offense we also have a new coordinator.  A number of young players particularly at WR.  Graham is also new.  Takes time for these guys to hit their stride.   Oh and not to mention Aaron is seriously limited with the knee.   Special teams several young players as well.  No excuse for the penalties.  Listened to MM's presser he's well aware of the issue they will get it cleaned up.

You talk of reducing salaries of Cobb and Matthews.  Really think it is all that easy?  What if they refuse?  Cut them?  Both guys are up at the end of the year.  I would like both of them back as they are still good players.  At their current salaries no. 

One last point you state the Packers are content.  We just changed GM, Offensive, and Defensive coordinators.  The Packers clearly are not content. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Twelve steps to fix the Packers
« Last post by Whiskey Sam on October 17, 2018, 12:45:48 PM »
Can't disagree with this. The Packers' problems are obvious, too, since every media outlet is seeing the same things which makes it baffling that the organization seems blind to them. Gutekunst did little to improve an already flawed roster inherited from Thompson. Awful lot like the end of Favre's career where he begged them to bring in a few big free agents that would put them over the top and show a commitment to "win now". Rodgers' clock is ticking, and we're still building for the future. McCarthy has been coasting for years and should have been gone after the Seattle fiasco. That no one was fired for that illustrated the lack of accountability within the organization. That seems to be a major problem in GB. No one is ever held accountable for poor performance in the front office or coaching staff so why should the players care about making the same mistakes week after week?

Gute did a very good job this year.  Done little?  Totally disagree.  He had an excellent draft and brought in several FA's.  Rome wan't built in a day.  As for MM and Seattle he was playing the odds.  Let's see how the season plays out before jumping on the fire MM train.  I'll stand up for him he is an very good coach.  Agree with some points in the article but for the most part see it as an overreaction.  Cut Perry?  No.  Rebuild right side of the line?  Yes.  Kick returner? Yes.  Fire MM NO!  Jones can't pass block.  Add to WR?  Depends on Cobb.  Matthews should be re signed and moved inside.  Zook?  yes special teams have been a problem all year.  He needs to get this fixed now otherwise show him the door. 

I'll add Packer fans have become spoiled.  Be careful what you wish for.  I am not in the blow it up camp.  Do we have the horses this year?  Probably not we'll need another year to add a few more pieces.  Remember also Aaron is playing injured.  Very tough schedule coming up if Pack can take one of the next 2 games we'll be ok.  A lot of season left let's see how it shakes out.

Ah, the ever popular, "Packers fans are spoiled" excuse for the team underperforming year after year. Nevermind that during McCarthy's tenure, the Colts, Giants, Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, and Broncos have been to more Super Bowls despite Green Bay having two Hall of Fame QBs in that span. McCarthy is a mediocre coach, at best, who has been carried by two premier QBs. The moment they've been gone, his teams aren't even competitive. He hasn't developed a single backup in a decade who could even perform at a journeyman level. He would be the most overrated coach in the league except he never comes up in any discussions of best coaches currently coaching.

Rome wasn't built in a day? How many draft picks have we spent on the defense over the last few years and still have zero pass rush, no safeties who can figure out where they're supposed to be, or any game-changing talent on the defensive side of the ball. We have watched running backs routinely run around the end and gouge them for big gains this season because there is no speed on the defense. But guys make up for it by not being able to tackle when they're in position. If Gute were serious about winning now, he would have made the move for Mack and/or Thomas and found a way to reduce the cost of overpaid veterans like Cobb and Matthews. This organization has been far too content for far too long to win a crappy division every year and get bounced in the second round of the playoffs while thinking they're the Patriots of the NFC.
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