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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by Hands on May 23, 2019, 06:41:11 AM »
Sorry that I can't remember who wrote it but they rated Green Bay as having the best d-line in the league. When I first read it I was struck by the fact it wasn't done by a Packer fan, at least I didn't recognize them as one, and the reasons were exactly what this subject is touching on....Clark, Daniels, and either Lowry or Adams (also talked about his improvement) as the starters with Lancaster coming in to stop the run.

Adding Keke and those big OLBs...it will be hard to move those guys around for running yards. One player who's made some news for the Packers, not in a good way, Josh Jones is a player I see making that jump in performance. He'll want out and to do it he will have to show the league he can play. This may be the biggest incentive he has ever had in his life. If he's a baller, then he is going to be lights out this season. IF not...he'll whine himself to the unemployment line.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by B on May 23, 2019, 06:01:20 AM »
speaking of young defensive linemen...

One of the most pleasant surprise performances last season was the emergence on UDFA Tyler Lancaster. We knew the former defensive captain of the 9th nationally ranked defense at Northwestern was as strong as an ox based on his remarkable 36 reps on the bench, but we learned by watching him play that he can move shockingly well for a big man.

With the defensive line the Packers have this season, Lancaster is going to be a rotational player, but given his production, a pretty damned valuable one, especially on run downs. According to Pro Football Focus, no interior defensive lineman had more run stops over the final six games of the season than Lancaster.

Given his unexpected performance as a rookie, I am not sure how fair it is to lay too high of expectation on Tyler related to a 2nd year leap, but I can tell you it won’t be because this 6’3’ 313 pound 24 year old gets out worked during the off-season, in practice or on game day.
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While there is plenty of praise for Darnell Salvage's intelligence, his position coach Jason Simmons threw a dose of reality on what it takes to come play safety in the NFL as a rookie:

"With Darnell, he has a long way to go. He’s not ready at this point, but the best thing is he realizes that. He has guys who are willing to put their arms around him and help him."
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https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/22/new-packers-olb-coach-raves-about-rookie-rashan-gary/

Packers outside linebackers coach Mike Smith believes his team took the best edge rusher in the draft -  a unique combination of Dee Ford and Justin Houston, the two edge rushers he coached up close last year with the Kansas City Chiefs.

“It’s unbelievable! A guy that size and that speed and that athleticism, I’ve never seen it, and I’ve been in the league for 11 years. You can do a lot of things with him. In Kansas City, we had Dee Ford, he’s smaller, great get off. Justin Houston, who is a big strong guy. Get a guy like Gary, he’s both of them.”.

“I knew we had a chance. I honestly didn’t think he was going to go at 12. I thought he was going to go way before then, based on how I evaluated him. I’ll throw it out there, I thought he was best in college football at outside linebacker. I had him No. 1, because I believe in that, and I believe in him. I was very excited when we got him. I was running down the hallway. I know what he has, and I know what he can do, and I’m excited to work with him.”

“You got a guy that’s got a get off and speed and you’re strong and you’re powerful, that’s a dangerous combination. He just has to learn how to use those tools.”


Quite obviously Mike Smith believes he is the guy to provide the tools and unleash the unbelievable upside talent of Rashan Gray.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Josh Jones wants to be Traded?
« Last post by ricky on May 22, 2019, 02:52:25 PM »
[quote author=dannobanano link=topic=7829.msg195069#msg195069 date=155855753
Josh Jones is still on the team, last I checked. Let's see where it goes. Maybe the young man figures it out, maybe he doesn't. But until it's resolved, he's still a Packer.

It would be nice if Pettine could find a role for him that would maximize what he does best. (crossing fingers).
[/quote]

Totally agree on this point. Even if Jones tries the McKenzie "I'm injured" ploy, they simply put him on the PUP. If he could be repurposed as an extra LBer, he could well still be a valuable asset to the team. And Pettine seems to be pretty open to trying new things. This might be the time to see if the team can somehow work out a way to make disgruntled players gruntled. Not caving, but finding ways to make them more involved in games- IF they earn that time.

On the other hand, this article seems to synthesize all the takes on Jones here:

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/the-packers-dont-need-josh-jones-317
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: FB/TE
« Last post by dannobanano on May 22, 2019, 02:11:52 PM »
If it was possible, I'd like to see the Packers send Josh Jones and a 2020 6th round pick to Denver for Troy Fumagalli.

2 cents
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by dannobanano on May 22, 2019, 01:56:59 PM »
Defensive line coach Jerry Montgomery:
(On Montravius Adams)
He was a lot different player last year than he was the year before. He’s taken the right steps. The guy came back in tremendous shape. He looks a lot different body wise than he does a year ago. He understands this is how he provides for his family and I need to do everything I can do to be the best player I can be.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: WR
« Last post by dannobanano on May 22, 2019, 01:44:45 PM »
I imagine several WR's were a part of this group.

https://www.packers.com/news/blake-martinez-is-a-football-junkie

[Special teams coordinator Shawn Mennenga:
(on the return game)
"We’re trying a whole host of guys. We’re giving everybody an opportunity who’s done it. This is really the first opportunity they’ve had to catch a ball off JUGS and off a foot. We’re throwing a lot of guys back there and evaluating a whole bunch of guys."]


Would be interesting to know who all the participants were and who looked natural, and who didn't.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Josh Jones wants to be Traded?
« Last post by dannobanano on May 22, 2019, 01:38:53 PM »
I believe you are being a little hasty in calling this a bad draft. I don't know if you left Aaron Jones off by design, but they still have 5 players on the roster from a draft three drafts ago, that would be a positive and not a negative. If they keep and sign 2 of the 5 to 2nd contracts it was a good draft, 3 would be a great draft. Much is yet to be determined, but it is not out of the question that King, Adams and Aaron Jones end up playing their ways into a second contract with the Packers.   

Copied and pasted a google search. Who knew the internet was not always to be trusted?  ::) My bad- simply counting the players and realizing they didn't reach ten should have tipped me off. Sloppy on my part. Here is a total list of the 2017 draft:

Round 2, pick 33: Kevin King, CB, Washington
Round 2, pick 61: Josh Jones, S, NC State
Round 3, pick 93: Montravius Adams, DT, Auburn
Round 4, pick 108: Vince Biegel, OLB, Wisconsin
Round 4, pick 134: Jamaal Williams, RB, BYU
Round 5, pick 175: Deangelo Yancey, WR, Purdue
Round 5, pick 182: Aaron Jones, RB, UTEP
Round 6, pick 212: Kofi Amichia, T, South Florida
Round 7, pick 238: Devante Mays, RB, Utah State
Round 7, pick 247: Malachi Dupre, WR, LSU

Still not a barnburner, but Jones does make a difference. Though whether he has the size to be a bellwether back remains to be seen. Early experience would indicate he can't hold up over an entire season. So, instead of a "bad draft", how about "disappointing"? Anyway, back to the thread topic. Will there be a lot of players trying to force their way off the team if Jones is accomodated? After Mike McKenzie forced his way off the team, how many others followed suit? That was a starter who was unhappy, and he was traded to NO after a lot of drama. This seems to be more of a fan perception rather than reality.

How about "Incomplete" and "TBD".

If King, Adams, Williams, and A-Jones all get 2nd contracts, that's a 40% success rate. That would be pretty could...………..if they get there.

Josh Jones is still on the team, last I checked. Let's see where it goes. Maybe the young man figures it out, maybe he doesn't. But until it's resolved, he's still a Packer.

It would be nice if Pettine could find a role for him that would maximize what he does best. (crossing fingers).
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Josh Jones wants to be Traded?
« Last post by dannobanano on May 22, 2019, 01:32:47 PM »
His weaknesses were apparent for all to see prior to GB drafting him.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2017/profiles/josh-jones?id=2558119

Needs to do better job of coming to balance as a tackler.
From zone coverage, can be a little slow to anticipate routes and squeeze the throwing windows.
Gets hyper-focused on quarterback and will lose track of his assignments.
Will bite on play-action bait and get drawn out of position.

They just haven't been able to (a) coach some of those bad habits out of him, or (b) he isn't very smart and/or has a low football IQ.
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