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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Gute interested in Khalil Mack
« Last post by PackerJoe on August 14, 2018, 08:44:53 AM »
I'm willing to give up a 2nd or 1st rd pick for Mack.  I would offer him a four year deal at 14 mil/yr.  Might go a little higher.  We have too many leaks on the payroll (Rollins, Perry, Hundley, Josh Jones, etc.) who are getting paid well and producing zilch for the last three years.  Mack, Wilkerson, Clark, Mathews and Daniels would be highly formidable as both run stoppers and pass rushers.

With the addition of Lewis and Graham at Tight end and the development of Allison and the rookie wr's, in my book Cobb can go!

Cobb and perry to Oakland plus a 3rd rd pick for Mack.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: 53 Man Roster Prediction
« Last post by Donzo on August 14, 2018, 05:36:14 AM »
11.) Lucas Patrick, a solid backup last year who may get caught up in a numbers game this year. Is worthy of a opening day roster spot, if not in GB it will be somewhere.


I see him much higher and ahead of Day; he's gonna make the team.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: 53 Man Roster Prediction
« Last post by craig on August 13, 2018, 09:34:42 PM »
...is Spriggs a better player than any of Pankey, Murphy, Patrick ? I know he is way ahead of them athletically - but is he a better PLAYER. ...

This is probably a dumb "I wonder."  But sometimes we go back to combine measurables to evaluate a player's athleticism, years after the fact. (Because those benchmarks are never remeasuered or re-publicized. 

But after years of physical abuse, aging, and weight gains as guys bulk up, I have to believe the measurements change considerably. 

Do we sometimes make mistake in assuming a guy can add a bunch of weight and maintain the same athleticism?  Or is that kinda double counting?  "We love his athleticism measurables, PLUS we think he'll add size and strength."  When to some degree it's one against the other?  So that by the time you add the bulk to be NFL strong, then the athleticism that got you drafted high in the first place is kinda reduced? 

I've wondered this in baseball too.  Teenage draftee, "he's really fast, can play CF or SS, and we think he'll grow into some power."  But once the kid does grow into the power, then often he loses the speed and quickness and can't play CF or SS anymore.
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On the Streets / Re: Mark's Movie Reviews
« Last post by marklawrence on August 13, 2018, 07:10:30 PM »
Christopher Robin

Christopher gets sent off to boring school, then he's sent off to WW II. He comes back as Obi-Wan, marries Peggy Carter (Cap America's main squeeze, but the Cap is frozen in ice by then. . .), has a daughter and gets a job working for Mycroft Holmes at Woozle Enterprizes. Somewhere along the way Obi-Wan loses his way and almost loses his wife and daughter, but gets magically transported back to the 100 acre woods where he has an adventure with Pooh and friends. Then it's back to london where he fixes all Woozle's and his problems.

Sound a bit hard to follow? It was. And it was overly moralistic. And I had trouble identifying with anyone ('cept possibly Eeyore).

I dunno, not so great a film maybe. Finding Neverland was many, many times better.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Gute interested in Khalil Mack
« Last post by Twain on August 13, 2018, 06:06:24 PM »
Could the Packers afford to sign Mack? Yes. An almost straight up swap for CMIII as far as salary cap consequences for this year. After that? Sure, but giving two guys (Mack and AR) a large hunk of the salary cap would be a pretty tight rope to traverse. Anyway, here is an article breaking down what could be done. Some more complicated, some much easier. There is even a scenario where Perry is shipped to Oakland, which would make Packer Joe's day!

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/affording-khalil-mack-a-packers-financials-deep-dive-103

I just can't see that trade of Perry as realistic.  Mack wants 20 million per year or more, which means that in 2019 the Packers would eat over 31 million between the Mack salary and the Perry dead money- Just to get Mack, who has fewer sacks over the last 3 years than Chandler Jones in Arizona.

Mack is good- I get that.  I just don't think he is that good. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Gute interested in Khalil Mack
« Last post by ricky on August 13, 2018, 05:46:04 PM »
Could the Packers afford to sign Mack? Yes. An almost straight up swap for CMIII as far as salary cap consequences for this year. After that? Sure, but giving two guys (Mack and AR) a large hunk of the salary cap would be a pretty tight rope to traverse. Anyway, here is an article breaking down what could be done. Some more complicated, some much easier. There is even a scenario where Perry is shipped to Oakland, which would make Packer Joe's day!

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/affording-khalil-mack-a-packers-financials-deep-dive-103
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NFL Talk / Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Last post by Twain on August 13, 2018, 05:22:21 PM »
Well apparently it's not so easy for a top QB to get his team to the Super Bowl without a good defense.  I mean they can, but the history shows that the top 5 QB in passing the last 10 years don't overcome middle of the road Defenses very often.

If you are trying to bring it back around to say that the Vikings are well positioned due to their defense- no argument there.  Go back to page two of the thread, and you will see that I agree with you.  Likewise it is hard for a good defense to get there without good QB play.  I think the Vikings have a good chance to be Top 5 in both defense and offense this year and have to be a favorite in the NFC.

I was just contesting your position that it "never happens" that a QB gets his team to the playoffs when the defense gives up more than 24 pts.  Face it, it does.  Just talking football data, nothing else.

That's not a slam on Cousins.  The Redskins are an extremely dysfunctional organization, and there was a lot more wrong with the team than a bad defense. Start with the fact that they stumbled on to a genuine franchise QB, but instead of creating stability by paying him and then getting more good players, they chose to create chaos by refusing to secure the position by not giving Cousins the contract he had earned.

Cousins doesn't need to own the Washington won lost record.  Daniel Snyder does.

As I said early in the thread, Snyder did the Vikings a huge favor by letting a talent like Cousins get to free agency.
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NFL Talk / Re: The Vikes have me worried
« Last post by raptorman on August 13, 2018, 03:50:09 PM »
Chiefs were at 19.4 ppg in 2016.   And Atlanta lost to who in the Super Bowl? The Pats with the number one scoring defense.   The Giants are the outlier here. Once they made it to the playoffs they held the other teams to 14 ppg or less.  Not sure how they did it.

Aw, come on raptorman, I give you my error on the chiefs, but don't deflect from the point.  QB's can get their teams to the playoffs when the defense gives up more than 24 points per game on the season, as 3 superbowl teams this decade have shown.
3 out of how many?   The number of top defenses in both the winners and losers of the Super Bowl far outweigh those that are out of the top 10.

Geez raptorman, you used to be a better poster than this.  The question wasn't whether a good defense makes for a better team.
Well apparently it's not so easy for a top QB to get his team to the Super Bowl without a good defense.  I mean they can, but the history shows that the top 5 QB in passing the last 10 years don't overcome middle of the road Defenses very often. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Stacked at wr, is it time to trade Allison?
« Last post by OneTwoSixFive on August 13, 2018, 11:56:31 AM »
Davis is this years version of Janis. Barring a total meltdown on his part he is a lock to make the 53.

I'm looking to see if there are signs that Valdes-Scantling is taking over the return duty from Davis this year. If that is viable, Davis is in serious risk of being cut.

They have had MVS fielding KO's in training camp and tested him in the first preseason game there, but I am unaware of MVS ever fielding a punt in training camp or in college...ever. The one knock on him is his hands, probably the last thing they want to see from the guy fielding punts. MVS returning punts, just not happening.

I don't disagree, I'm just casting around looking for an alternative to a guy whose only real talent is as a return man, because the pressure to keep lots of young receivers is weighty.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Stacked at wr, is it time to trade Allison?
« Last post by OneTwoSixFive on August 13, 2018, 11:54:08 AM »

There is still some time and a lot can change in the coming weeks.  Moore could be the star this week?   An injury could change things too.  It's important for these guys to take maximum advantage of every single opportunity they are given.
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