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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: WR
« Last post by happycrawfish on May 21, 2019, 04:48:19 AM »
Trevor Davis made the roster for special teams. He is a decent returner and a solid gunner if needed. If u don’t think special teams are important then maybe you need to watch the 2018 season again. At a minimum there were several games lost in part due to poor special teams play. Had Davis been the returner against the rams it could have changed the complexion of the entire season. Also Davis is a much better fit for Lafleurs scheme. Motion offense with bunch formations better utilize physical tools and can minimize the need for technical and mental understanding of defenses which McCarthys scheme relied on
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: WR
« Last post by rock county on May 20, 2019, 08:23:31 PM »
Not sure how Trevor Davis made it this long

3 seasons, 8 receptions total, 94 yards total, even though he only played two games last year.

Good punt/kick return guy, though.

IMO, that's not enough.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: WR
« Last post by B on May 20, 2019, 07:55:31 PM »
I too appreciate your contributions. I'm very interested in this and other threads you've generated. I was traveling in Ireland for three weeks and have been keeping up, researching and posting from my phone when opportunity arises. I'll certainly take time to respond in this thread ASAP
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Draft Talk / Re: 2019 draft tidbits
« Last post by RT on May 20, 2019, 07:12:53 PM »
Just dropping this here for anyone interested in a good post draft story. Chris Ballard with the Colts is one of the really sharp GM's out there, the Colts future looks very bright under his direction.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/20/colts-2019-offseason-chris-ballard-chris-long-retirement-patrick-peterson-suspension-mmqb
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: WR
« Last post by dannobanano on May 20, 2019, 06:20:43 PM »
First of all, I appreciate all your work on these positional outlooks RT. A lot of thought, back ground and fact checking done by you. Props!

Just finished my 53 man roster at Packersnews.com roster builder.

My WR's were:
Adams
Allison
ESB
MVS
J'Mon Moore
Kumerow

Went with Kumerow because I think he has AR's confidence more than Davis.
KR (as we know it) is something that is heading towards extinction.
PR will be a question mark without Davis, but they tried several there last year (Alexander, Jackson), T-Will has done it in the past. He won't make any big returns, but he won't muff any punts either. Maybe one of the group of MVS, ESB, or Moore can step into that role?
Finding the right PR could be a work in progress, but I just didn't feel that doing just one thing justified a roster spot for Davis (my 2 cents).
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: FB/TE
« Last post by dannobanano on May 20, 2019, 05:55:37 PM »
Not saying your wrong RT, but by bringing Hackett into the conversation it may mean he knows how to squeeze what little gas there is left in Lewis' tank out of him better than anyone else could.

In Marcedes last year at JAX (and in Hackett's offense) he had just 24 receptions (318 yds; approx. 13 yds/catch), and had 5 TD catches (that's a TD catch every 5 catches. nice ratio). So maybe Hackett still views him as a potential red zone target, and/or maybe his remaining blocking skills better fit what they want to do this year as opposed to last year.

We are all just spitballing. Training camp will shake it out. It will be fun to watch unfold.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: FB/TE
« Last post by RT on May 20, 2019, 05:23:27 PM »
Am I the Lone Ranger in doubting that Lewis has anything left to offer? He has had an excellent career as a blocking TE and always graded out at the top or near the top for all TE's year after year, that is until last season when he ended the season with a 52.2 grade (below average) with PFF and in the bottom 20%. Could it be that he is just a campbody to help the young TE's learn the offense, remember the new OC was in Jacksonville with him. That is probably a reach, but I just think he is a name with no game.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: WR
« Last post by RT on May 20, 2019, 05:09:09 PM »
Thought this would of been a little hotter topic here as it is most years. Maybe not adding any in the draft has cooled some on the position. Here one writers opinion.


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Since it’s apparently a topic of conversation and I just dropped my 53-man roster prediction on Thursday, this is what I think the Packers’ WRs look like on opening day:

Davante Adams
Geronimo Allison
Marquez Valdes-Scantling
Equanimeous St. Brown
J’Mon Moore
Trevor Davis

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Position look: RB
« Last post by dannobanano on May 20, 2019, 04:50:41 PM »
  I hope the new staff is able to coach up some easy open receivers and some easy completions for Rodgers.  I'm a believe that for most QB's, and Aaron especially, the best way to establish some "rhythm" is to get some volume of throws.  Sometimes you sit for a week, you come out all adrenalined up, and the first throw or two can be a little wild.  Sometimes you sit on the bench during a long possession for the opponent, and first throw back on the field can again be a little wild.

Bhe best way for rhythm is to pile up some completions.  1-2-3-punt possessions don't do that.  Really difficult throws don't either.  I think somehow getting some easier completions and being able to sequence some 1st downs is the key to getting the QB into a groove, into an accuracy rhythm.  And since the running lives off of respect for the passing game, I think QB rhythm is crucial to overall rhythm. 

The common assumption is that running a lot helps the passing game.  In some ways yes.  But if the QB isn't getting many throws, I think it's harder to find and to sustain a passing rhythm.  3rd-and-6 plays where the pass-rush is on don't help, either.  So I hope all the run stuff doesn't run-run our way into lots of 3rd-and-6. 

I wonder how crucial O-line help will be, and whether Billy Turner is good or not?  Seems like everything is so much easier, rhythm-wise, **IF** the QB trusts his line, and **IF** running plays are gaining good yardage and really stressing the defense, as opposed to giving them some free downs and walking right into the 3rd-down situations that they want.  Coordinators know the weak spots, so I think they attacked the RG spot pretty often last year.  Having an o-line with no weak spots might really help for rhythm and consistency.

Best way to cure this problem is to give your QB shorter passes that he is comfortable with and likely to have a higher % chance to complete, rather than pushing it 20-30 yds down the field. Short, quick stuff that gets the QB past that adrenaline rush.

Calling vertical throws too much makes the passing offense predictable and easy to defense. How many times did we hear from other teams that they pretty much knew what kind of pass play was coming? Quick, short/shallow, crossing, slants etc. The defense can't sit back and protect deep. Keeping it mixed up between short, intermediate, vertical, AND runs doesn't let the defense get comfy in thinking they know whats coming next. Keeping them on their heels is what will make the offense more effective.

What we may see a little more of is back to a Holmgren style WCO, where he used the short pass to RB's, TE's, and WR's to set up the run. Time will tell, but I get the feeling this offense will be more designed to move the chains rather than hit the home run. #1) you control the clock with run and short pass. #2) The longer your offense is on the field, the more you tire out the opposing defense. #3) By accomplishing #1 & #2, you have a rested and fresh defense to attack the opposing offense.

While there is still reason for apprehension of the OL, they are (on paper) way-way ahead of where they were last year at this time.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Which 2nd and/or 3rd year...
« Last post by dannobanano on May 20, 2019, 04:31:54 PM »
Great addition and info Danno! I thought about adding Tongan as a 2nd year guy not to sleep on. He seems to have a GREAT combination of intellect and athleticism.

Thanks B. The other thing that has caught my eye is that he wants to be great and is doing the things necessary to move in that direction, like working with George Kittle (SF 49'rs) this off season.

Reminds me of young guys who would work out with, and learn from, the best of the best. Chris Carter, Jerry Rice, Larry Fitzgerald have all had younger players workout with them and learn from them.

Will be interesting to see if it helps Tonyan grow the way he wants to.
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