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Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« on: April 29, 2018, 08:24:28 AM »

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We know the Packers are going to be good on offense next year, right? (Spoiler: they are.) Now they're going to be good on defense too, thanks to getting Mike Pettine some weapons in the draft. Gutekunst, the Packers first-year GM, went defense-heavy early in the draft, picking up Louisville corner Jaire Alexander in the first round and Iowa corner Josh Jackson in the second round. Green Bay then added linebacker Oren Burks in the third round. The real power move by Gutekunst in all of this was him somehow managing to walk out of Thursday with an extra first-round pick next year despite moving down only three spots: he let the Saints come up, took their first next year, then moved back up at a cheaper cost when the Seahawks were looking to trade down. It was some David Blaine-level trickeration. Notre Dame wide receiver Equanimeous St. Brown in the sixth round might have been one of the biggest steals in the whole draft. For a fanbase that got tired of the team not spending in free agency and standing pat in the draft and taking what came down the pipe, Packers fans should be thrilled at the way Gutekunst spent this offseason being active and this draft whipping up some serious defensive improvements.


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Draft picks: Louisville CB Jaire Alexander (No. 18), Iowa CB Josh Jackson (No. 45), Vanderbilt LB Oren Burks (No. 88), Missouri WR J'Mon Moore (No. 133), Washington State OG Cole Madison (No. 138), Alabama P J.K. Scott (No. 172), South Florida WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling (No. 174), Notre Dame WR Equanimeous St. Brown (No. 207), Cal DT James Looney (No. 232), Mississippi State LS Hunter Bradley (No. 239), Southeast Missouri LB Kendall Donnerson (No. 248). ​


New defensive coordinator Mike Pettine always had an aggressive, disruptive pass rush when he was coordinating the Jets’ defense from 2009-12, even though that team had very mediocre edge rushers. Pettine generated pressure through scheme by putting extra defensive backs on the field and having them roam around, creating a blurry look. At the snap, some would rush and others would rotate into coverage. It was hard for blockers to identify which would come, and the beauty was those defensive backs always arrived quicker than a defensive lineman or linebacker would.


Head coach Mike McCarthy favors this unique brand of defense, which was also employed—to a lesser extent—by Pettine’s predecessor, Dom Capers. For this approach to work, you need corners who can win on an island. In Green Bay, Pettine inherited only one decent corner: last year’s second-rounder Kevin King, who has played just nine NFL games. So, the team drafted of twitchy Jaire Alexander in the first round and lanky Josh Jackson in the second. The Packers now have youthful talent at all three starting corner spots.


It was wise of Green Bay to use its third-round pick on an athletic linebacker like Oren Burks. He can replace the departed Joe Thomas in dime packages (something Pettine, with his fondness for DB blitzes, employs often). Having addressed the defense thoroughly for Pettine’s scheme, first-year GM Brian Gutekunst used picks in the fourth, fifth and sixth rounds on wide receivers, hoping to bump into a quality No. 3 in the wake of Jordy Nelson’s release.


Grade: A

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Green Bay Packers: A


Draft picks: CB Jaire Alexander (Louisville) CB Josh Jackson (Iowa), OLB Oren Burks (Vanderbilt), WR J’mon Moore (Missouri), G Cole Madison (Washington State), P JK Scott (Alabama), WR Marques Valdez-Scantling (South Florida), WR Equanimeous St. Brown (Notre Dame), DE James Looney (California), LS Hunter Bradley (Mississippi State), OLB Kendall Donnerson (Southeast Missouri State)


The Packers got a dynamic cornerback duo to support last year's second-rounder Kevin King. Burks should find a starting position right away for Mike Pettine in the Demario Davis mold. Moore (big red-zone target) Valdez-Scantling (home-run hitter) and St. Brown (a little bit of both) give them intriguing post-Jordy Nelson options behind Davante Adams at receiver. Scott and Bradley give them a sneaky upgrade on special teams, too. Edge defensive options were a typical way to end a great first draft for Brian Gutekunst.


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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2018, 01:29:57 PM »
Here's another;



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Picks: CB Jaire Alexander (1); CB Josh Jackson (2); OLB Oren Burks (3); WR J’Mon Moore (4); G Cole Madison (5); P JK Scott (5); WR Marquez Valdes-Scantling (5); WR Equanimeous St. Brown (6); DT James Looney (7); LS Hunter Bradley (7); LB Kendall Donnerson (7).


Analysis: I like how the Packers played the first round, practically moving back four spots to take CB Jaire Alexander – a very good player who fills a big need – while picking up a 2019 first-rounder from the Saints. Doubling down on cornerback to take Josh Jackson in the second round was a strong move. The Packers had a pass-rush need, but the cornerback need was apparently more pressing.


Receiver Equanimeous St. Brown, a 6-5 speedster who had nine touchdowns with Notre Dame in 2016 before slumping last season, seems to be a nice fit in the sixth round. The Packers will be fine if one of the three receivers they took pan out.


Taking a punter and long snapper seemed odd, but the Packers had a lot of picks.


Grade: A-minus


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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2018, 03:03:09 PM »
We essentially concentrated on three spots:  CB, WR, and LB.  The high picks were on CB and LB.

We took one OL and one DL, a punter, and LS.

We did not draft a QB, RB, TE, or safety.  Which tells me that the GM is determined to find players who fit Pettine's scheme. And he thinks our offense will be fine with a healthy AR, and finding a replacement for Jordy Nelson. Of which he picked three and hopes to hit on one.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding. 

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2018, 05:09:16 PM »
We essentially concentrated on three spots:  CB, WR, and LB.  The high picks were on CB and LB.

We took one OL and one DL, a punter, and LS.

We did not draft a QB, RB, TE, or safety.  Which tells me that the GM is determined to find players who fit Pettine's scheme. And he thinks our offense will be fine with a healthy AR, and finding a replacement for Jordy Nelson. Of which he picked three and hopes to hit on one.

As they say, the proof is in the pudding.

What is more interesting is who they didn't draft. No edge rusher (which was a constant drumbeat of this board) until very late. Instead, trying to correct the mistake TT made a couple years ago with Randall and Rollins, one gone and the other looking like he might be gone. Bob Fox did a good job of analyzing why Pettine might want more DB help. The lack of drafting QB or RB is obvious, since they traded for Kizer, and are well stocked at RB, at least in IMO. The team seems to be expecting some big progress from their "redshirt" rushers (Biegel in particular). No TE? This can be addressed on cutdowns and/or the draft next year. Safety? One of Jones, Evans or Brice should be fine.

Three WR's? All long, physical and fast. All three need work. Apparently, the Packers are hoping one of them "clicks" with Rodgers. And, speaking of AR, he has to be feeling a little better with three WR's chosen, and a mauling, pass protection specialist as the only OL chosen. Yes, Aaron, the Packes do appreciate you, even if they don't ask your input before getting rid of people you like.
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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #4 on: April 29, 2018, 06:43:10 PM »
I think that it was a very good draft. The first three picks were outstanding. I like picking three WRs', I think that two make the team, one to the practice squad. I was kinda cool on the punter, but when looking at it, he was the best in the draft. It also pushes Vogel, and maybe he gets traded for a 2019 pick. Madison will make the team, perfect pick for the Packers, he's a very good pass blocker, but needs to work on his run blocking. The LS will make the team as long as he can please Crosby. The two defensive 7th round picks have a chance, if not they'll be on the practice squad. The extra 2019 first round pick is huge! That pick can be traded down for multiple picks.

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #5 on: April 29, 2018, 11:30:54 PM »
Happy with our RB's?

How?  Why?  The best one is about 5' 9" and got hurt.  None of them are proven.  In addition to the two previous guys I suggested at RB, what about Bo Scarborough from Alabama? A real power back with 4.5 speed.  He went in the seventh round!

This was a good QB draft, and we could have gotten Luke Falk as our developmental guy. Or Mike White, or Woodside.  Who is our third QB today?  Please do not say its Hundley. How much time do you give a guy to develop?  At least give him some competition.

At TE, is anyone happy with what they saw of Kendricks last year?  Yes, we got Graham, but many teams are going to a two TE offense.  But to do that you have to have a second TE who can block.  Neither Kendricks nor Graham is known for that.

We will see if this concentration on three areas and special teams will work.  Let us keep our fingers crossed.

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #6 on: April 30, 2018, 05:35:11 AM »
We are in a mini- rebuild.  This was year one.  We drafted positions that will need the year to develop.   From that perspective, it was a very good draft.

By grabbing the number one for next year, and with the 50 million in cap space available next year, Gute will complete the process next year.

With the available resources, he couldn't get all of the quality he needs from the draft this year alone.  We will be okay if we stay healthy, but that is always unlikely in the NFL.  He may be able to bring in some upgrades as the off season progresses and some free agents settle for less or cuts occur.

I think the reasonable expectation for this year is to see progress with a good defense and a very good but not elite offense, while the talented youth get much needed reps and show a lot of growth/improvement over the course of the season.
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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #7 on: April 30, 2018, 08:08:29 AM »
I'm also comfortable with the backs.   I like Monty better than you and I think Jones and Williams will be better this year after their year of development.   Williams needs to avg 4.0 yards a carry this year and not his paltry 3.6 but just as much of that was on the constantly rotating offensive line.  He did avg 10.5 y/r and that was a surprise given his lack of receptions in college.  All three backs are more than serviceable -- less than elite.   I'd love to see another back like Ahman Green in this offense again, but the fact is - we don't need it for this offense to be successful.     And Scarborough is not giving us anything Williams can't already do and I don't think he'd be any threat as a receiver at all.

We already have Hundley and Kizer as our 2nd and 3rd QB's - what are we going to do with a 4th?   Last year was Hundley's first real development time.  I don't care for the "he's been in the system for 3 years" line.   He played in 2 preseasons which are extremely different than live games - so he's had approx 9 games of real development.   Check out the previous seasons by Case Keenum prior to this last in Minny...not exactly awe-inspiring.  Nick Foles has had a nice 1 1/2 seasons in Philly but has been largely poor other than that.  Peyton Manning threw 28 INT's his rookie season (that kid turned out all right).  Hundley had 3 games with over a 110 passer rating and another at 86.0.  He has a lot of work to do - but he's not a total dumpster fire either.  Would help if he could've played behind a steady offensive line and not one that rotated week-to-week.   Tough being a 1st year QB playing under constant pressure.

Lance Kendricks
http://www.kmov.com/story/28492034/rams-te-kendricks-gets-it-done-receiving-blocking

https://www.fanragsports.com/packers/examining-lance-kendricks-brings-packers-offense/

Kendricks is actually considered an above average blocker.  I was hoping they would draft a Dissly or Smythe or trade for a TE like Nick Boyle to have another pure blocking TE



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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #8 on: April 30, 2018, 11:14:07 AM »
I think that it was a very good draft. The first three picks were outstanding. I like picking three WRs', I think that two make the team, one to the practice squad. I was kinda cool on the punter, but when looking at it, he was the best in the draft. It also pushes Vogel, and maybe he gets traded for a 2019 pick. Madison will make the team, perfect pick for the Packers, he's a very good pass blocker, but needs to work on his run blocking. The LS will make the team as long as he can please Crosby. The two defensive 7th round picks have a chance, if not they'll be on the practice squad. The extra 2019 first round pick is huge! That pick can be traded down for multiple picks.

Or................they can package it with their 1st round pick and move up to get a blue chip Edge rusher cuz there's going to be some good ones, and they always go fast.

Bosa, Ferrell, Jackson, Bryant.................or maybe keep it and draft 2 Edge rushers in the 1st round.

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #9 on: April 30, 2018, 11:19:12 AM »
I think that it was a very good draft. The first three picks were outstanding. I like picking three WRs', I think that two make the team, one to the practice squad. I was kinda cool on the punter, but when looking at it, he was the best in the draft. It also pushes Vogel, and maybe he gets traded for a 2019 pick. Madison will make the team, perfect pick for the Packers, he's a very good pass blocker, but needs to work on his run blocking. The LS will make the team as long as he can please Crosby. The two defensive 7th round picks have a chance, if not they'll be on the practice squad. The extra 2019 first round pick is huge! That pick can be traded down for multiple picks.

Or................they can package it with their 1st round pick and move up to get a blue chip Edge rusher cuz there's going to be some good ones, and they always go fast.

Bosa, Ferrell, Jackson, Bryant.................or maybe keep it and draft 2 Edge rushers in the 1st round.

Or their QB of the future. ;D

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #10 on: April 30, 2018, 12:17:18 PM »
I think that it was a very good draft. The first three picks were outstanding. I like picking three WRs', I think that two make the team, one to the practice squad. I was kinda cool on the punter, but when looking at it, he was the best in the draft. It also pushes Vogel, and maybe he gets traded for a 2019 pick. Madison will make the team, perfect pick for the Packers, he's a very good pass blocker, but needs to work on his run blocking. The LS will make the team as long as he can please Crosby. The two defensive 7th round picks have a chance, if not they'll be on the practice squad. The extra 2019 first round pick is huge! That pick can be traded down for multiple picks.

Or................they can package it with their 1st round pick and move up to get a blue chip Edge rusher cuz there's going to be some good ones, and they always go fast.

Bosa, Ferrell, Jackson, Bryant.................or maybe keep it and draft 2 Edge rushers in the 1st round.

Or their QB of the future. ;D

Ya never know!   ;)

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #11 on: April 30, 2018, 02:41:40 PM »
Thought this was a good job of matching comps with the Packers draft choices.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/2018-draft-class-nfl-player-comps-126

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #12 on: April 30, 2018, 03:21:24 PM »
Happy with our RB's?

How?  Why?  The best one is about 5' 9" and got hurt.  None of them are proven.  In addition to the two previous guys I suggested at RB, what about Bo Scarborough from Alabama? A real power back with 4.5 speed.  He went in the seventh round!

This was a good QB draft, and we could have gotten Luke Falk as our developmental guy. Or Mike White, or Woodside.  Who is our third QB today?  Please do not say its Hundley. How much time do you give a guy to develop?  At least give him some competition.

At TE, is anyone happy with what they saw of Kendricks last year?  Yes, we got Graham, but many teams are going to a two TE offense.  But to do that you have to have a second TE who can block.  Neither Kendricks nor Graham is known for that.

We will see if this concentration on three areas and special teams will work.  Let us keep our fingers crossed.

We already had this discussion. With Jones, Williams, Montgomery, and lest we forget, Davante Mays (5'10", 230 pounds), they seem to have a good quartet. All unproven? Montgomery proved to be solid, Jones was averaging over five yards a carry, and Williams seemed to get stronger and more punishing as the games went on. Only Mays, who had fumbling problems, was proven to be a problem. Were there injuries? Yep. And with their depth, the Packers could just move to "next man up", like a lot of teams. All of them bring different skills, which is probably why TT drafted them. So, I'll politely agree to disagree. Because otherwise this topic will just be  deadhorse)

Developmental QB? They've got Kizer, a former first round pick with a year's worth of real game experience. That experience was terrible, and hopefully he hasn't lost his confidence, but being around a truly professional team (which the Browns were not until they got Dorsey), hopefully he'll become a valuable asset. Either as a player for the Packers, or in a trade in couple of years.

The lack of a TE, except through UDFA is worthwhile noting. However, expect them to watch the waiver wires to see if they can get a late cut. But definitely, a drafted prospect would have been very welcome, and, IMO, was needed. So, ending with a point of agreement. 

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Re: Media comments on the Packers 2018 Draft
« Reply #13 on: April 30, 2018, 03:33:31 PM »
If the GM is planning a two year rebuild, then what he did makes sense.  Especially the trade for the second number one pick.

And if that turns out to be the case, then I give him credit for both wisdom and realism.

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« Reply #14 on: April 30, 2018, 04:14:28 PM »
Happy with our RB's?

How?  Why?  The best one is about 5' 9" and got hurt.  None of them are proven.  In addition to the two previous guys I suggested at RB, what about Bo Scarborough from Alabama? A real power back with 4.5 speed.  He went in the seventh round!

This was a good QB draft, and we could have gotten Luke Falk as our developmental guy. Or Mike White, or Woodside.  Who is our third QB today?  Please do not say its Hundley. How much time do you give a guy to develop?  At least give him some competition.

At TE, is anyone happy with what they saw of Kendricks last year?  Yes, we got Graham, but many teams are going to a two TE offense.  But to do that you have to have a second TE who can block.  Neither Kendricks nor Graham is known for that.

We will see if this concentration on three areas and special teams will work.  Let us keep our fingers crossed.

We already had this discussion. With Jones, Williams, Montgomery, and lest we forget, Davante Mays (5'10", 230 pounds), they seem to have a good quartet. All unproven? Montgomery proved to be solid, Jones was averaging over five yards a carry, and Williams seemed to get stronger and more punishing as the games went on. Only Mays, who had fumbling problems, was proven to be a problem. Were there injuries? Yep. And with their depth, the Packers could just move to "next man up", like a lot of teams. All of them bring different skills, which is probably why TT drafted them. So, I'll politely agree to disagree. Because otherwise this topic will just be  deadhorse)

Developmental QB? They've got Kizer, a former first round pick with a year's worth of real game experience. That experience was terrible, and hopefully he hasn't lost his confidence, but being around a truly professional team (which the Browns were not until they got Dorsey), hopefully he'll become a valuable asset. Either as a player for the Packers, or in a trade in couple of years.

The lack of a TE, except through UDFA is worthwhile noting. However, expect them to watch the waiver wires to see if they can get a late cut. But definitely, a drafted prospect would have been very welcome, and, IMO, was needed. So, ending with a point of agreement.

People forget that the Packers signed RB Joel Bouagnon, who Chicago released with injury settlement last year. Packers had him in (2017) for a predraft visit, but Chicago got him (he played for Northern Illinois).
http://draftanalyst.com/joel-bouagnon

And regarding TE's...............there's still sveral FA's on the market, and the longer they sit, the cheaper they get. Packers could sign one if they feel the need at some point.