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Title: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: B on March 16, 2015, 11:59:15 AM
Agreed to a 3 yr deal
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: BobW on March 16, 2015, 12:01:11 PM
Sad to see him go. Really hoped/assumed that Ted would re-sign him (or House). Cornerback was a position of depth the past years but now a huge need and I think this hole can't be filled in the draft only. Really curious what Ted does now.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Cocoman2 on March 16, 2015, 12:03:35 PM
Agreed to a 3 yr deal
3 Year, $21 Million. That's a huge contract for a 32 year old CB. Good for Tramon, I am always happy to see players get paid but I am glad it's not Green Bay making that kind of commitment.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Kepler on March 16, 2015, 12:11:18 PM
That's a bummer, but I'm glad he's getting some money. Good Packer. Wish him the best
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: craig on March 16, 2015, 12:13:56 PM
Wow wow wow.  Shocker.  I expected we'd get one or the other between him and House.  But both bigger than I expected. 

Bummer. 

Hmm.  So, we've got $21+ in cap space.  What do do with it all, if none of it's going to Tramon or House? 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: EXIT_HERE on March 16, 2015, 12:24:40 PM
7 mil a year? Wow
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: SSG on March 16, 2015, 12:38:19 PM
Wow, thats a huge blow to a defense that couldn't afoord to take steps backwards.  What was the strength of our defense becomes a rather big weakness with the loss of 2 of our 3 best boundry CBs. 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: SSG on March 16, 2015, 12:39:23 PM
Wow wow wow.  Shocker.  I expected we'd get one or the other between him and House.  But both bigger than I expected. 

Bummer. 

Hmm.  So, we've got $21+ in cap space.  What do do with it all, if none of it's going to Tramon or House?

I'd bet the majority of it is hoarded for next season. 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: The GM on March 16, 2015, 12:53:41 PM
Happy for Williams, he did good things while in Green Bay.  Glad he got a big payday, TT made the right call on this.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Gregg on March 16, 2015, 01:08:34 PM
I would like to see the breakdown on that.  Because that is way too big.

I thought three for 15 would be his selling price.

Man, the NFL really liked him and House.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: croquet on March 16, 2015, 01:15:38 PM
Next man up?

I am happy for both but they were not going to get that in Green Bay.

I do not see Ted as hoarding.  He is making prudent business decisions.  Once you start overpaying it is very hard to back that truck up.



Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Twain on March 16, 2015, 01:42:14 PM
I agree with Gregg.  I would like to see the details of the deal as well.

That's a lot of money, but I bet the only guaranteed money is the first year salary.  If he got a big signing bonus then the Cleveland GM is as bad as Holmgren was when he was there.

As for the Packers, I suspect we go CB high and play next man up.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: bbayley on March 16, 2015, 02:05:47 PM
Tramon's had some nice moments over the years for us, especially that pick right before the half against ATL on the SB run, so I'll wish him the best and appreciate his time with GB.

That being said, I would've balked at giving Tramon or House anything north of $4m/year, so if they're signing for $6.25m and $7m, more than happy we didn't re-sign them.  Think that production will be easily replaced
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 16, 2015, 02:18:39 PM
I'm really surprised that someone was willing to pay Tramon that much and thought he'd return to us after sifting through the other options around the league.

Cornerback just became a bigger priority in the draft. I expect a boundary/speedster corner to be selected by us in the first two rounds now.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: scoremore on March 16, 2015, 02:19:56 PM
Damn Browns....good corner but c'mon that's crazy money.

We are now in the hurt bag.  Have to draft 2 CB's now.

Just became our #1 need.

Can't blame TT on that one.  Can't blame Tramon either...

Fortunately Pack is pretty good at developing corners. 

Gonna have to do it in a hurry now.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Pack2SB on March 16, 2015, 02:33:43 PM
Good luck to Tramon.

TT/McCarthy either see a lot of potential in a cb on the roster, they have their eyes on a FA, or really like a corner in the draft. I'm thinking they have their eyes on a corner in the draft but may have to move up to get him. According to the analysts, this is not a good year for corners thus large demand for FA corners.

There must be a large drop-off after the 1st 3 top corners are gone, so I'm looking for a move up and get a lb later. If one of the top 3 falls to us, all the better.  Will be an interesting draft for the Pack. Need to fill a couple holes and hope some UDFA look like diamonds.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: scoremore on March 16, 2015, 02:37:16 PM
Pretty deep draft class of corners...

Wish they would have kept Rolle from last year.

Guess we'll find out if Goodson has anything.

Sure Pack has something up their sleeve.  Taking a risk though.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: SunshinePacker on March 16, 2015, 02:40:16 PM
Hopefully the Packers feel as though two of NT/ILB/CB are REALLY deep in this draft because as of now the defense has huge (in the case of the NT, literally) holes at those positions.

I'm looking forward to a bunch of "Fire Capers!" topics if the team's defense starts slowly while starting Raji at NT and a rookie at ILB (that's a perfect recipe for an abysmal run defense).
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: dannobanano on March 16, 2015, 03:31:28 PM
Sad to see T-Will go, but his production/age don't match the deal the Browns threw at him.

Easy to see they put a deal on the table they knew that GB wouldn't be willing to match.


TT might be looking at a mid-level veteran FA to bring in along with a draft pick (1st or 2nd round).

Josh Gordy used to be on the Packers in 2010, he was signed off the PS by the Rams in 2011 and had a decent year and was traded to the Colts in 2012. He's been buried on their depth chart and hasn't gotten many opportunities.

I wouldn't cry if they brought him in on a reasonable contract and then took Quiten Rollins in the 1st round or Alex Carter in the 2nd round.


Also, depending on how many comp picks the Packers get, I'd take a shot at Nick Marshall (Auburn) in the 4th/5th round if he's still on the board. Maybe he could serve as the emergency QB as well.

Nice article about the CB's at the bottom of the roster.

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/3/16/8223259/packers-tay-glover-wright-tramon-williams-sam-shields (http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/3/16/8223259/packers-tay-glover-wright-tramon-williams-sam-shields)
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: dannobanano on March 16, 2015, 04:44:04 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/rPvr5A4.jpg)
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: golfman on March 16, 2015, 05:05:16 PM
Losing Tramon and House is why it was such a bad move by TT to keep Goodson and cut Rolle last camp. Rolle might be able to step in and play well in nickle this year, Goodson, no way.

Don't blame TT for not paying what those two got. Both got more than their production (House) and age (Williams) should have warranted.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Gregg on March 16, 2015, 05:17:17 PM
Nice to see you back golfman.

And I agree about Rolle.

We have to draft a CB pretty high now.

I kind of like Rollins myself.  We will not get the two best, Waynes and Peters, unless TT moves up which he almost never does.  But I like Rollins.

The thing about this that hurts is it may impact our safety spot. And I was really starring to like that 3 man rotation.  Now Hyde and HHCD may have to do more man to man or doubling up in coverage to conceal a weakness at cornerback.

I mean, we now have Wallace and Calvin Johnson and Jeffery in our division.  Those are all taller guys who can run.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: scoremore on March 16, 2015, 05:20:30 PM
Don't forget about PJ Williams.

One of the four should be available at 30.

Not sure he'll go that direction or not.

Depends who else is available.

Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Toddfather on March 16, 2015, 05:41:30 PM
I agree with the sentiments of this thread. Sorry to see him go, but glad he got paid, and it isn't us paying him. I don't think we are desperate at corner but I expect to see it a early priority in the draft.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: craig on March 16, 2015, 05:59:07 PM
....Nice article about the CB's at the bottom of the roster.

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/3/16/8223259/packers-tay-glover-wright-tramon-williams-sam-shields (http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2015/3/16/8223259/packers-tay-glover-wright-tramon-williams-sam-shields)

Thanks for glover-wright piece, danno.  He and goodson suddenly become very interesting names, one or the other of whom might play a lot of snaps depending.  I don't know anything, but I admit I'm actually somewhat optimistic about Goodson.  He seems like a strong, tough dude, who might be fairly physical.  Too physical last Autumn, I get that.  But I assume the coaches kept him because they thought his toughness, change-of-direction and acceleration, and physicality give him a shot to be a pretty decent corner. 

Still, corner now looks really vulnerable.  Part of the defense's problem was that they depended on man coverage in order to blitz and create pressure.  If they play with more guys back to cover inexperienced or vulnerable secondary guys, good luck with the pass pressure. 
 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: craig on March 16, 2015, 06:01:36 PM
Two of the advantages with resigning Cobb and Bulaga is that you didn't have to waste high draft picks on T/WR. 

But now with both House and Tramon gone, now all three of our top-3 picks are shot/necessary.  And as we saw from that lousy Thornton pick last year, by the end of the 3rd round you can't exactly count on getting good d-linemen, or having good ILB left.  (We'd have taken on there last year had one been available, that's for sure.) 

Only got one first round pick, so can only get one CB/ILB/NT there.  One of those three very needy spots is going to have to wait for the 3rd round, unfortunately. 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: JPPlaya on March 16, 2015, 06:03:06 PM
Good for Tramon, but that's way too big of a deal. Im glad GB didnt match. I dont see a realistic chance that Tramon actually plays out that deal.

Rolle was a nice prospect and maybe we should've activated him when Houston plucked him, but let's NOT immediately assume that Goodson is not as good of a player. He just had a stiffer competition to see the field. I'm interested in seeing him compete.

I think the Packers will give Hayward first crack at the job. Can he play on the boundary? That's the question. He's done a nice job in the slot. He did run a 4.47 coming out of college, but it would seem that he isn't as sudden as you would like, but he is a terrific ball hawk.

I also think we definitely draft a CB in rounds 1-3. Marcus Peters, P.J. Williams and Kevin Johnson are probably the 3 best boundary guys that could be there when GB picks at 30. I like Quentin Rollins as a player, but at 4.64, I think he's a slot or Tampa 2 CB only.

Ike Taylor MIGHT be worth a 1 year deal for the vet minimum? Other than that there either way washed up (which Taylor is too) or way to shaky as a player to put any faith in. The CB FA market is sorry.

I think GB should bring back Jarrett Bush, if for nothing more than numbers now. He could be cut later if he doesnt make the club, but he at least offers some experience.



Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: philepps85 on March 16, 2015, 06:17:09 PM
I don't have a problem with TT deciding either guy's deal was too rich for his blood. House got starter's money on potential alone, and Williams' deal defies logic.

But I had a major bone to pick with the cutting of Rolle at the time, and that has suddenly resurfaced. I was so impressed with that guy in preseason, I scanned Twitter all the next day after the final cutdown to see if he had cleared waivers. At the time, it was reported that he was informed he'd be up on the 53 before he knew it. Except he wasn't.

Maybe Goodson someday will be a player, but he isn't now – and now is when they need one.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: craig on March 16, 2015, 06:27:16 PM
...But I had a major bone to pick with the cutting of Rolle at the time, and that has suddenly resurfaced. I was so impressed with that guy in preseason, I scanned Twitter all the next day after the final cutdown to see if he had cleared waivers. At the time, it was reported that he was informed he'd be up on the 53 before he knew it. Except he wasn't.

Maybe Goodson someday will be a player, but he isn't now – and now is when they need one.

Yeah, that was weird.  My hope at that time had been that they'd cut Flynn; in retrospect I wish they'd done that.  O well, water under the bridge, easy to ITYS now. 

As for Goodson, I think it's more precise to say he "wasn't one last August" than that "he isn't now".  It's possible that by this August, September, and October, that he'll be better. 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: flowerpac on March 16, 2015, 06:33:58 PM
How about Tillman from DA' Bears?   I know he is older but is a probowler.  Screw Da' Bears once, screw Da' Bears twice, maybe screw Da' Bear three times and sign Briggs to.  Is Briggs an ILB or OLB? Just like Peppers, they may have something to prove and want a chance for a ring! 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: dannobanano on March 16, 2015, 06:37:59 PM
Good for Tramon, but that's way too big of a deal. Im glad GB didnt match. I dont see a realistic chance that Tramon actually plays out that deal.

Rolle was a nice prospect and maybe we should've activated him when Houston plucked him, but let's NOT immediately assume that Goodson is not as good of a player. He just had a stiffer competition to see the field. I'm interested in seeing him compete.

I think the Packers will give Hayward first crack at the job. Can he play on the boundary? That's the question. He's done a nice job in the slot. He did run a 4.47 coming out of college, but it would seem that he isn't as sudden as you would like, but he is a terrific ball hawk.

I also think we definitely draft a CB in rounds 1-3. Marcus Peters, P.J. Williams and Kevin Johnson are probably the 3 best boundary guys that could be there when GB picks at 30. I like Quentin Rollins as a player, but at 4.64, I think he's a slot or Tampa 2 CB only.

Ike Taylor MIGHT be worth a 1 year deal for the vet minimum? Other than that there either way washed up (which Taylor is too) or way to shaky as a player to put any faith in. The CB FA market is sorry.

I think GB should bring back Jarrett Bush, if for nothing more than numbers now. He could be cut later if he doesnt make the club, but he at least offers some experience.

I think he has more "game speed" than timed speed. His athleticism and ball skills (which basketball helped him develop) are what teams are intrigued by. The young man had 72 tackles and 7 INT's last year.............his only year of college football. I saw him make an INT in the Senior Bowl that was purely a thing of beauty. Instincts and athleticism. I'm a buyer.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: philepps85 on March 16, 2015, 07:30:39 PM
How about Tillman from DA' Bears?   I know he is older but is a probowler.

Yeah, good call. Tillman was one I brought up in another thread. Not sure what he has left, but he's a wily vet with an amazing knack for forcing turnovers.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: scoremore on March 16, 2015, 07:46:27 PM
Tore his biceps twice...he's probably done.

Closest thing in the draft is PJ Williams...
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Hincha on March 16, 2015, 08:15:15 PM
Don't blame TT for not paying what those two got. Both got more than their production (House) and age (Williams) should have warranted.

Both should be good for some compensatory picks next year.

I would have liked Williams back last year, but not at that price. 

Read an article that last year was by far his worst.  QBs had 100+ rating when throwing at him.  But still, in looking at his score for year... it was still positive.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Gregg on March 16, 2015, 09:12:34 PM
That didn't take long.

One mock has us taking Jalen Collins in the first round already.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: JPPlaya on March 16, 2015, 09:35:14 PM
Good for Tramon, but that's way too big of a deal. Im glad GB didnt match. I dont see a realistic chance that Tramon actually plays out that deal.

Rolle was a nice prospect and maybe we should've activated him when Houston plucked him, but let's NOT immediately assume that Goodson is not as good of a player. He just had a stiffer competition to see the field. I'm interested in seeing him compete.

I think the Packers will give Hayward first crack at the job. Can he play on the boundary? That's the question. He's done a nice job in the slot. He did run a 4.47 coming out of college, but it would seem that he isn't as sudden as you would like, but he is a terrific ball hawk.

I also think we definitely draft a CB in rounds 1-3. Marcus Peters, P.J. Williams and Kevin Johnson are probably the 3 best boundary guys that could be there when GB picks at 30. I like Quentin Rollins as a player, but at 4.64, I think he's a slot or Tampa 2 CB only.

Ike Taylor MIGHT be worth a 1 year deal for the vet minimum? Other than that there either way washed up (which Taylor is too) or way to shaky as a player to put any faith in. The CB FA market is sorry.

I think GB should bring back Jarrett Bush, if for nothing more than numbers now. He could be cut later if he doesnt make the club, but he at least offers some experience.

I think he has more "game speed" than timed speed. His athleticism and ball skills (which basketball helped him develop) are what teams are intrigued by. The young man had 72 tackles and 7 INT's last year.............his only year of college football. I saw him make an INT in the Senior Bowl that was purely a thing of beauty. Instincts and athleticism. I'm a buyer.

I agree that Rollins does have good instincts and athleticism, but it's tough to play the boundary without long speed. Could he do it? Sure, I suppose, but I'd like to see a better time at his pro day.

He did some great things in his lone football season, but the MACC is a long way from the NFL. So Im not buying " game speed" vs. that level. Id rather see it on the track to prove it of Im looking at him to be a boundary CB. If he were playing in a major college conference that might be less risky since he would have covered NFL level WRs regularly on the outside. I'm just not buying that he's seen that level of WR routinely in the MACC to say that he has shown "game speed". Again Im not opposed to GB taking him, but we just lost 2 of our best 3 boundary guys and Im not sure thats where Rollins will play in this league.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: JPPlaya on March 16, 2015, 09:42:05 PM
How about Tillman from DA' Bears?   I know he is older but is a probowler.  Screw Da' Bears once, screw Da' Bears twice, maybe screw Da' Bear three times and sign Briggs to.  Is Briggs an ILB or OLB? Just like Peppers, they may have something to prove and want a chance for a ring!

NO WAY

Remember we are paying for who these guys ARE and not who they WERE. Peppers was still productive up until the minute we signed him with the Bears. He was also durable.

Briggs and Tillman arent the Briggs and Tillman of 5 years ago. Both injured all the time and producing very little when they do play. I would not be suprised if neither get a reasonable offer elsewhere. If they do, it should be from some other sucker. I think these guys are both DONE,
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: dannobanano on March 17, 2015, 03:33:12 AM
Good for Tramon, but that's way too big of a deal. Im glad GB didnt match. I dont see a realistic chance that Tramon actually plays out that deal.

Rolle was a nice prospect and maybe we should've activated him when Houston plucked him, but let's NOT immediately assume that Goodson is not as good of a player. He just had a stiffer competition to see the field. I'm interested in seeing him compete.

I think the Packers will give Hayward first crack at the job. Can he play on the boundary? That's the question. He's done a nice job in the slot. He did run a 4.47 coming out of college, but it would seem that he isn't as sudden as you would like, but he is a terrific ball hawk.

I also think we definitely draft a CB in rounds 1-3. Marcus Peters, P.J. Williams and Kevin Johnson are probably the 3 best boundary guys that could be there when GB picks at 30. I like Quentin Rollins as a player, but at 4.64, I think he's a slot or Tampa 2 CB only.

Ike Taylor MIGHT be worth a 1 year deal for the vet minimum? Other than that there either way washed up (which Taylor is too) or way to shaky as a player to put any faith in. The CB FA market is sorry.

I think GB should bring back Jarrett Bush, if for nothing more than numbers now. He could be cut later if he doesnt make the club, but he at least offers some experience.

I think he has more "game speed" than timed speed. His athleticism and ball skills (which basketball helped him develop) are what teams are intrigued by. The young man had 72 tackles and 7 INT's last year.............his only year of college football. I saw him make an INT in the Senior Bowl that was purely a thing of beauty. Instincts and athleticism. I'm a buyer.

I agree that Rollins does have good instincts and athleticism, but it's tough to play the boundary without long speed. Could he do it? Sure, I suppose, but I'd like to see a better time at his pro day.

He did some great things in his lone football season, but the MACC is a long way from the NFL. So Im not buying " game speed" vs. that level. Id rather see it on the track to prove it of Im looking at him to be a boundary CB. If he were playing in a major college conference that might be less risky since he would have covered NFL level WRs regularly on the outside. I'm just not buying that he's seen that level of WR routinely in the MACC to say that he has shown "game speed". Again Im not opposed to GB taking him, but we just lost 2 of our best 3 boundary guys and Im not sure thats where Rollins will play in this league.

His pro day was last week and he stood on his Combine numbers
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: ChicagoPackerFan on March 17, 2015, 04:20:24 AM
Too much IMO, glad Ted didn't pay that amount.

I bet Ted is saving money to renew some contracts this year before they expire.
You are better off signing if you can before they hit the free market and are over paid.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: favre_4_ever on March 17, 2015, 05:13:41 AM
This draft process could be a hell of a lot easier if we just paid Knighton (1 year/4 million) or Wilfork (2 years/9 million) Both are premier run stuffing NTs and both got short term reasonable contracts....
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Gregg on March 17, 2015, 06:38:51 AM
Good observation, and I agree with that.

Especially Knighton.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: B on March 17, 2015, 06:49:33 AM
I liked the Tramon Williams story and appreciated his play in years past, but at 32 the guy was clearly in decline.

In 2014, not only did he give up the winning TD in OT against the Seahawks, he allowed nealy 2/3 of the passes thrown his way to be completed on the season, surrendering a 106.5 passer rating when he was targeted on the season. His number were career worsts and there is no upside to build on - especially for $7 million a year.

No doubt, his departure coupled with House leaving thins the CB position, but I will not miss the 10 TD passes he gave up (often looking quite ugly in doing so).

I wish you well in adjusting to losing in Cleveland T, but you will be well paid to do so...
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: craig on March 17, 2015, 07:17:40 AM
There are several arguments being made here.  Should Packers have paid or outbid the Cleveland bid?  Consensus there is no.  Is Tramon a declining player, or likely to be so?  The answer is yes. 

That said, I think you guys are undervaluing the caliber of his play.  He was in man coverage a lot, and for the most part he did really well.  I thought he played very well. 

Second, while having good value-per-dollar contracts is important within the common constraints of the salary cap, the real goal isn't good-per-dollar, the real goal is simply being good. 

Whatever faults you may find in Tramon's play last season, the coaches considered the play of Hayward and Goodson and Glover-Wright to be inferior.  So we've presumably downgraded.   And by downgrading at corner, we're now left with not two but three big holes to fill, and only one first round pick between them. 

So I admit I'm disappointed. 



 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: B on March 17, 2015, 07:52:37 AM
There are several arguments being made here.  Should Packers have paid or outbid the Cleveland bid?  Consensus there is no.  Is Tramon a declining player, or likely to be so?  The answer is yes.

Good to have consensus... 

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That said, I think you guys are undervaluing the caliber of his play.  He was in man coverage a lot, and for the most part he did really well.   

I respectfully disagree.
 ~ How is surrendering a QB rating when targeted of 106.5 doing well?
 ~ How is letting receivers catch 64% if the passes thrown to them playing well?
 ~ What about the 10 TD's given up - some of which he didn't even seem to compete on?
 ~ On the final play giving away the NFC Championship Tramon Williams lined up wrong (a fundamental issue taught in High School) and had Wilson and Kearse licking their chops

watch it, if you can stomach it: http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/NFC-Championship-Cant-Miss-Play-Kearse-game-winning-TD/3753a767-1054-40a6-82c4-f55141a06255 (http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/NFC-Championship-Cant-Miss-Play-Kearse-game-winning-TD/3753a767-1054-40a6-82c4-f55141a06255)

No way any professional gives up the middle with no safety help, yet somehow Tramon Williams a seasoned veteran did... Kearse ran uncontested. I watched in disbelief, hoping against hope that Wilson would under or over throw the gift. No such luck, it was too easy of a throw.

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I thought he played very well.


Fair enough, but I am not sure what you are basing that thought on.

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Second, while having good value-per-dollar contracts is important within the common constraints of the salary cap, the real goal isn't good-per-dollar, the real goal is simply being good. 

Agreed. However, Williams' play declined significantly in 2014 and at 32 it was likely to decline more. I have to assume that the Packers thought it was time to move on rather than commit to an aging player who was giving up a QBR of 106.5 and letting his receivers catch 64% of the passes thrown his way. I am thinking that the Packers believe they can do better - especially with the improved pass rush they had in 2014...

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Whatever faults you may find in Tramon's play last season, the coaches considered the play of Hayward and Goodson and Glover-Wright to be inferior.  So we've presumably downgraded.   

Goodson and Glover-Wright were green rookies, so at least last season they saw Williams as better. Hayward was their inside/slot DB and played well - Williams was coming off of a good season in 2013, so I am thinking they didn't see the need for change as they set their team  up for 2014.  I am presuming that they believe he will be better than Williams would have been in 2015, thus the change.

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And by downgrading at corner, we're now left with not two but three big holes to fill, and only one first round pick between them. 

So I admit I'm disappointed.

There is plenty of off season left - free agency, draft, trades and roster cuts coming...

I get that you are disappointed, but I suggest being patient and keeping the faith as the process plays out brother.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: GreenAndGoldLenses on March 17, 2015, 08:24:54 AM
There are several arguments being made here.  Should Packers have paid or outbid the Cleveland bid?  Consensus there is no.  Is Tramon a declining player, or likely to be so?  The answer is yes. 

That said, I think you guys are undervaluing the caliber of his play.  He was in man coverage a lot, and for the most part he did really well.  I thought he played very well. 

Second, while having good value-per-dollar contracts is important within the common constraints of the salary cap, the real goal isn't good-per-dollar, the real goal is simply being good.

Whatever faults you may find in Tramon's play last season, the coaches considered the play of Hayward and Goodson and Glover-Wright to be inferior.  So we've presumably downgraded.   And by downgrading at corner, we're now left with not two but three big holes to fill, and only one first round pick between them. 

So I admit I'm disappointed.

Sorry to disagree dude, but I think this is EXACTLY what the current free agency is. Is Suh good? Yes, without a doubt. Is he that good-per-dollar that he got with his new contract? I'm gonna doubt that.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Leader on March 17, 2015, 08:30:27 AM
I wont quote it to save space and eye-wear as people read over stuff :) but I agree with B's post. Nobody "dislikes" TW and his leaving puts GB in a bit of a spot - but his 2014 play wasn't what it had been and while its nice to have somebody to trot out there every game, TW was moving further away from the shut down corner concept. It happens and the team will have to adjust and action it - which has happened in the past as well. You gotta put your money somewhere - and just because you have it (20M CAP space) doesn't mean its to be thrown down the tube. We move on. 
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Shinesman on March 17, 2015, 11:43:32 AM
Guy was a heck of a find for the Packers. Had great years in Green Bay(his greatest actually). So I can't fault him or any other player for going to cash-in at any stage in their career. Teams and players need to take care of themselves. Good job Tramon and thanks for the SB win brother.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: B on March 17, 2015, 12:00:55 PM
Guy was a heck of a find for the Packers. Had great years in Green Bay(his greatest actually). So I can't fault him or any other player for going to cash-in at any stage in their career. Teams and players need to take care of themselves. Good job Tramon and thanks for the SB win brother.

It is a business, and I certainly am not faulting Tramon for his decision. Like I said, he will be well compensated to sooth adjusting to going from an annual contender, to an annual also ran...

Wish him nothing but the best in Cleveland, where he will be likely be a highly paid number 3 CB who likely will be a CAP cut in 2 years, and since we're talking the Browns here - maybe as early as next year.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: maxman44 on March 18, 2015, 07:03:36 AM
Wowser that's a lot of cabbage
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Jason Wilde ‏@jasonjwilde  · 31s32 seconds ago 
Per @RavensInsider, Tramon Williams'  three-year, $21M Browns deal includes $10M guaranteed: 1.5M bonus, $3.7M 2015 base, $6.2M 2016 base.

Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: cpk1994 on March 18, 2015, 08:29:51 AM
Enjoy the money, Tramon.  Also enjoy sitting at home during the playoffs as you will never play in them again. Finally, enjoy playing in nowheresville.
Title: Re: Tramon is a Brown
Post by: Pugger on March 19, 2015, 07:14:25 AM
I have a feeling Tramon is going to find out rather quickly why the Browns are the Browns and might regret this move.  I don't blame him for cashing in but of all of the teams in the league Cleveland has to be one of the most dysfunctional ones around.   :P