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Title: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on January 16, 2017, 02:15:48 PM
Here is a list of potential FA's the Packers won't pursue

https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2017all.php
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: ricky on January 16, 2017, 06:02:53 PM
Here is a list of potential FA's the Packers won't pursue

https://walterfootball.com/freeagents2017all.php

And here's another list of FA's, many of whom the Packers will pursue.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/green-bay-packers/
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Fingal on January 17, 2017, 05:22:41 AM
I think Packers will try to resign all but Peppers (who I think will retire),Barclay and Pennel.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: GBRoCk2 on January 17, 2017, 05:59:41 AM
I think Packers will try to resign all but Peppers (who I think will retire),Barclay and Pennel.

I can't see us bringing back Jones, but I guess I said the same thing about Perry. I think Jones has ability, just doesn't flash enough.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on January 17, 2017, 07:34:03 AM
Can't see bringing back Michael.  Will bring back Lang or Tretter but not both - on the fence about Jones.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on January 20, 2017, 05:12:34 AM
Top 25 2017 Unrestricted Free Agents

1) Le'Veon Bell, Pittsburgh Steelers running back
2) Eric Berry, Kansas City Chiefs safety
3) Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins quarterback
4) Kawann Short, Carolina Panthers defensive tackle
5) Chandler Jones, Arizona Cardinals outside linebacker
6) Alshon Jeffery, Chicago Bears wide receiver
7) Melvin Ingram, Los Angeles Chargers outside linebacker
8> Calais Campbell, Arizona Cardinals defensive end
9) Brandon Williams, Baltimore Ravens defensive tackle
10) Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants defensive end
11) Jamie Collins, Cleveland Browns outside linebacker
12) Kevin Zeitler, Cincinnati Bengals guard
13) Stephon Gilmore, Buffalo Bills cornerback
14) A.J. Bouye, Houston Texans cornerback
15) Dont'a Hightower, New England Patriots linebacker
16) Dontari Poe, Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle
17) Martellus Bennett, New England Patriots tight end
18) DeSean Jackson, Washington Redskins receiver
19) Terrelle Pryor, Cleveland Browns receiver
20) T.J. Lang, Green Bay Packers guard
21) Nick Perry, Green Bay Packers outside linebacker
22) Trumaine Johnson, Los Angeles Rams cornerback
23) Tony Jefferson, Arizona Cardinals safety
24) Ricky Wagner, Baltimore Ravens tackle
25) Barry Church, Dallas Cowboys safety

Notable omissions: Eddie Lacy, RB, Green Bay Packers;  Riley Reiff, T, Detroit Lions; Kenny Britt, WR, Los Angeles Rams; Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants; Mike Glennon, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers; Andrew Whitworth, T, Cincinnati Bengals; Chris Baker, DE, Washington Redskins; Larry Warford, G, Detroit Lions; DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Denver Broncos; Jabaal Sheard, DE, New England Patriots; LeGarrette Blount, RB, New England Patriots; T.J. McDonald, SS, Los Angeles Rams.


Any you'd like to "Add To Cart?" 


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773220/article/leveon-bell-eric-berry-head-top-25-free-agents-of-2017 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773220/article/leveon-bell-eric-berry-head-top-25-free-agents-of-2017)
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: GBRoCk2 on January 20, 2017, 11:10:08 AM
Top 25 2017 Unrestricted Free Agents

1) Le'Veon Bell, Pittsburgh Steelers running back
2) Eric Berry, Kansas City Chiefs safety
3) Kirk Cousins, Washington Redskins quarterback
4) Kawann Short, Carolina Panthers defensive tackle
5) Chandler Jones, Arizona Cardinals outside linebacker
6) Alshon Jeffery, Chicago Bears wide receiver
7) Melvin Ingram, Los Angeles Chargers outside linebacker
8> Calais Campbell, Arizona Cardinals defensive end
9) Brandon Williams, Baltimore Ravens defensive tackle
10) Jason Pierre-Paul, New York Giants defensive end
11) Jamie Collins, Cleveland Browns outside linebacker
12) Kevin Zeitler, Cincinnati Bengals guard
13) Stephon Gilmore, Buffalo Bills cornerback
14) A.J. Bouye, Houston Texans cornerback
15) Dont'a Hightower, New England Patriots linebacker
16) Dontari Poe, Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle
17) Martellus Bennett, New England Patriots tight end
18) DeSean Jackson, Washington Redskins receiver
19) Terrelle Pryor, Cleveland Browns receiver
20) T.J. Lang, Green Bay Packers guard
21) Nick Perry, Green Bay Packers outside linebacker
22) Trumaine Johnson, Los Angeles Rams cornerback
23) Tony Jefferson, Arizona Cardinals safety
24) Ricky Wagner, Baltimore Ravens tackle
25) Barry Church, Dallas Cowboys safety

Notable omissions: Eddie Lacy, RB, Green Bay Packers;  Riley Reiff, T, Detroit Lions; Kenny Britt, WR, Los Angeles Rams; Johnathan Hankins, DT, New York Giants; Mike Glennon, QB, Tampa Bay Buccaneers; Andrew Whitworth, T, Cincinnati Bengals; Chris Baker, DE, Washington Redskins; Larry Warford, G, Detroit Lions; DeMarcus Ware, OLB, Denver Broncos; Jabaal Sheard, DE, New England Patriots; LeGarrette Blount, RB, New England Patriots; T.J. McDonald, SS, Los Angeles Rams.


Any you'd like to "Add To Cart?" 


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773220/article/leveon-bell-eric-berry-head-top-25-free-agents-of-2017 (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000773220/article/leveon-bell-eric-berry-head-top-25-free-agents-of-2017)

ANY cornerback, not particularly familiar with the 3 listed in the top 25, but we could use at least one veteran CB signing. I guess the Rams indicated they are going to let Johnson test free agency, apparently good cover corner but struggles tackling.

Here are other options at the position:

http://mail.walterfootball.com/freeagents2017CB.php
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: ricky on January 20, 2017, 11:16:01 AM
ANY cornerback, not particularly familiar with the 3 listed in the top 25, but we could use at least one veteran CB signing. I guess the Rams indicated they are going to let Johnson test free agency, apparently good cover corner but struggles tackling.

Here are other options at the position:

http://mail.walterfootball.com/freeagents2017CB.php

If you really mean ANY CB, how about Shields? I think we're all assuming he's done, one way or another. But until he is cut or retires, he's still a Packer. And a really good, veteran CB.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on January 22, 2017, 05:44:35 PM
Well it's tie to let the wounds heal a bit then look ahead to next year.   Determining which free agents to bring back is an important part of the process.
Let me offer some i nitial thoughts.

Hyde- gotta love his versatility and smarts- he is slow on a team that lacks speed overall.  I'd bring him back but hopefully some of the younger players can step up.

Perry is a must sign even though he gets hurt every year

Cook- a priority and he really wants to come back

Lacy- yes - he sign for some reasonable deal

Lang- You gotta love his heart and toughness- he is 30 - I think he was going to have hip surgery- don't know how serious his latest injury is-
Really don't have any choice but to bring him back as they don't have anyone else

Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: hitnhope on January 22, 2017, 06:11:09 PM
Well it's tie to let the wounds heal a bit then look ahead to next year.   Determining which free agents to bring back is an important part of the process.
Let me offer some i nitial thoughts.

Hyde- gotta love his versatility and smarts- he is slow on a team that lacks speed overall.  I'd bring him back but hopefully some of the younger players can step up.

Perry is a must sign even though he gets hurt every year

Cook- a priority and he really wants to come back

Lacy- yes - he sign for some reasonable deal

Lang- You gotta love his heart and toughness- he is 30 - I think he was going to have hip surgery- don't know how serious his latest injury is-
Really don't have any choice but to bring him back as they don't have anyone else

I'd like to see Cook back, don't need to have anoher position to fill this off season.

Would like Perry and Lacy back if the deals are reasonable.

would let Hyde go, just not good enough to really help us win.   Rather save the roster spot for more speed.

I think Lange is gone.   Hip and knee problems and the wrong side of 30.   My guess is Bulaga becomes a guard and Spriggs takes over at tackle.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: SSG on January 22, 2017, 06:26:49 PM
A lot of question marks entering the offseason.

- I tend to agree about Hyde but I can't imagine trying to replace both Shields AND Hyde in that secondary this offseason.  Outside of Gunter, Hyde was the only other CB we had on the field this year that looked like a consistent starting caliber NFL CB.  I know we can't give up on the sophomores but its hard to go into next year hoping they turn into #1 and #2 CBs. 

- Given our inconsistencies at rushing the passer, I think it would be tough to let Perry walk.  My issue could be cost.  He's not a dominate pass rusher and he's very likely going to cost like he's a dominate pass rusher.  I'm not sure we can afford to lose him but I think it would be franchise suicide to give him a Vernon caliber contract given his career and his inconsistencies.  He is not a #1 edge rusher IMO.

- Cook is a must sign and I don't care if its a blank check.  Our offense can not afford to lose him.  I thought he started slow once his return (after the big game against Washington) but he was the single biggest reason for our offense turning it around.

- I think Lang is all but gone.  IMO Thompson is going to let him leave like he let Sitton walk.

- I'd love to have Lacy return, but I think he's going to be too expensive.  IMO a serious (Lacy-esk) type of investment needs to be made in this year's draft at the position.  Its pretty clear what we've currently got at the position isn't going to cut it.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: ricky on January 22, 2017, 06:51:07 PM
Tretter, anyone? Keep or let go? Significant recent injury history. But, also a very good player who can fill in at any position on the line. Lacy? Absolutely. I think the guy is being maligned. Weight is less a concern to me than conditioning. Jerome Bettis was also a big guy, but played effectively for years. The guy runs hard and tough, seldom going down on a first hit. This means he probably won't have a long career (though, as noted Bettis did with the same size and running style).

Datone Jones? Not a difference maker, but a solid player. Also has some injury concerns. If you don't want to re-sign him, please suggest someone that will replace him on the DL. But don't simply write "draft someone" or "get a FA". That's too easy. And keep any FA within the bounds of reality, please.

So, to me, re-sign Lacy, Perry, Tretter, Jones, Cook, and Hyde. Lang will unfortunately be a casualty of the youth movement. Time for Spriggs or even Tretter to be a starter. And Goode. Reliable long snappers are nice to have around.

Also, FA's include Barclay, Michael, Peppers and Pennel. Good luck to one and all. But for them, good bye and thanks for all the fish.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: SSGCujo on January 22, 2017, 07:59:30 PM
 Peppers is done. Pennel got cut on Monday. Hyde, only signed at a low rate, same with Lacy. Cook and Perry are the top two to sign.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Pugger on January 22, 2017, 10:37:26 PM
Well it's tie to let the wounds heal a bit then look ahead to next year.   Determining which free agents to bring back is an important part of the process.
Let me offer some i nitial thoughts.

Hyde- gotta love his versatility and smarts- he is slow on a team that lacks speed overall.  I'd bring him back but hopefully some of the younger players can step up.

Perry is a must sign even though he gets hurt every year

Cook- a priority and he really wants to come back

Lacy- yes - he sign for some reasonable deal

Lang- You gotta love his heart and toughness- he is 30 - I think he was going to have hip surgery- don't know how serious his latest injury is-
Really don't have any choice but to bring him back as they don't have anyone else

I'd like to see Cook back, don't need to have anoher position to fill this off season.

Would like Perry and Lacy back if the deals are reasonable.

would let Hyde go, just not good enough to really help us win.   Rather save the roster spot for more speed.

I think Lange is gone.   Hip and knee problems and the wrong side of 30.   My guess is Bulaga becomes a guard and Spriggs takes over at tackle.

Hyde may not be speedy but he makes plays.  He might be a good option in the slot.  You can win with guys like this.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Pugger on January 22, 2017, 10:39:35 PM
A lot of question marks entering the offseason.

- I tend to agree about Hyde but I can't imagine trying to replace both Shields AND Hyde in that secondary this offseason.  Outside of Gunter, Hyde was the only other CB we had on the field this year that looked like a consistent starting caliber NFL CB.  I know we can't give up on the sophomores but its hard to go into next year hoping they turn into #1 and #2 CBs. 

- Given our inconsistencies at rushing the passer, I think it would be tough to let Perry walk.  My issue could be cost.  He's not a dominate pass rusher and he's very likely going to cost like he's a dominate pass rusher.  I'm not sure we can afford to lose him but I think it would be franchise suicide to give him a Vernon caliber contract given his career and his inconsistencies.  He is not a #1 edge rusher IMO.

- Cook is a must sign and I don't care if its a blank check.  Our offense can not afford to lose him.  I thought he started slow once his return (after the big game against Washington) but he was the single biggest reason for our offense turning it around.

- I think Lang is all but gone.  IMO Thompson is going to let him leave like he let Sitton walk.

- I'd love to have Lacy return, but I think he's going to be too expensive.  IMO a serious (Lacy-esk) type of investment needs to be made in this year's draft at the position.  Its pretty clear what we've currently got at the position isn't going to cut it.

Geez, I hope Ted can get something for Lang.  It isn't fun to just let a decent player like him and Sitton just walk away.    :-\
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: cpk1994 on January 23, 2017, 01:36:15 AM
A lot of question marks entering the offseason.

- I tend to agree about Hyde but I can't imagine trying to replace both Shields AND Hyde in that secondary this offseason.  Outside of Gunter, Hyde was the only other CB we had on the field this year that looked like a consistent starting caliber NFL CB.  I know we can't give up on the sophomores but its hard to go into next year hoping they turn into #1 and #2 CBs. 

- Given our inconsistencies at rushing the passer, I think it would be tough to let Perry walk.  My issue could be cost.  He's not a dominate pass rusher and he's very likely going to cost like he's a dominate pass rusher.  I'm not sure we can afford to lose him but I think it would be franchise suicide to give him a Vernon caliber contract given his career and his inconsistencies.  He is not a #1 edge rusher IMO.

- Cook is a must sign and I don't care if its a blank check.  Our offense can not afford to lose him.  I thought he started slow once his return (after the big game against Washington) but he was the single biggest reason for our offense turning it around.

- I think Lang is all but gone.  IMO Thompson is going to let him leave like he let Sitton walk.

- I'd love to have Lacy return, but I think he's going to be too expensive.  IMO a serious (Lacy-esk) type of investment needs to be made in this year's draft at the position.  Its pretty clear what we've currently got at the position isn't going to cut it.

Geez, I hope Ted can get something for Lang.  It isn't fun to just let a decent player like him and Sitton just walk away.    :-\
He released Sitton. He didn't let him just walk away. He got rid of him for reasons for which he probably doesn't care about getting something in return.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: claymaker on January 23, 2017, 02:23:08 AM
Well it's tie to let the wounds heal a bit then look ahead to next year.   Determining which free agents to bring back is an important part of the process.
Let me offer some i nitial thoughts.

Hyde- gotta love his versatility and smarts- he is slow on a team that lacks speed overall.  I'd bring him back but hopefully some of the younger players can step up.

Perry is a must sign even though he gets hurt every year

Cook- a priority and he really wants to come back

Lacy- yes - he sign for some reasonable deal

Lang- You gotta love his heart and toughness- he is 30 - I think he was going to have hip surgery- don't know how serious his latest injury is-
Really don't have any choice but to bring him back as they don't have anyone else

I'd like to see Cook back, don't need to have anoher position to fill this off season.

Would like Perry and Lacy back if the deals are reasonable.

would let Hyde go, just not good enough to really help us win.   Rather save the roster spot for more speed.

I think Lange is gone.   Hip and knee problems and the wrong side of 30.   My guess is Bulaga becomes a guard and Spriggs takes over at tackle.

Lang is 29.

Would not let Hyde go. He's proven to be valuable as a versatile piece on defense.

I think Perry is gone. He will get more money in FA.

Pretty sure Cook stays.

I think Lacy stays as well.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Pack2SB on January 23, 2017, 02:50:21 AM
Depends on. If you don't pay, say, Perry, can you find someone in FA for less money but better? Same with anyone else, but I would like to keep players that generally stay healthy or who seem to recover fairly quickly.

Just not sold on Rollins or Randall. We can get a FA corner and another good one(not an experiment but a corner) in R1. This def. needs some play-makers who can make a stop at crucial times.

Will just have to see who's available and at what cost.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on January 23, 2017, 03:37:33 PM
I merged the two Free Agent threads we had going for easier "one stop shopping"  :)
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on January 23, 2017, 03:44:16 PM
You're right claymaker - TJ Lang wont be 30 until September of next year. Hardly over the hill for an offensive lineman. His twice broken foot's gonna bear some consideration.

#70 G6' 4", 318 lbsGreen Bay Packers
BornSep 20, 1987 in Royal Oak, MI (Age: 29)
Drafted 2009: 4th Rnd, 109th by GB
Experience8th season
CollegeEastern Michigan


"I think everybody in this locker room knows that this is where I want to play," Lang told the Green Bay Press-Gazette. "I've been saying that since the beginning. I love this team, I love Green Bay, I love everything about being a Packer. I love representing the city and the team. I want to be back. It's not up to me. This is where I want to be."


http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/1/23/14361510/t-j-lang-wants-to-re-sign-with-packers-free-agency-nfl-2017
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Hands on January 26, 2017, 06:57:25 AM
If you had to pick between Lang and Tretter, why would you pick Tretter? He's been injured every year he's been in the league. He's a good player, but has to be available. He's much more versatile than Lang, but not as good as a guard.  I also don't think Tretter will get that many high offers. GMs will look at that injury list and offer appropriately. I hope TT can keep both, but if only one...I keep Lang.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on January 26, 2017, 06:28:06 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000779735/article/packers-to-be-more-aggressive-in-free-agency

Good news if true
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: maxman44 on January 27, 2017, 08:16:08 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000779735/article/packers-to-be-more-aggressive-in-free-agency

Good news if true

April fool's?  8)
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on January 28, 2017, 08:06:05 AM
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/1/27/14420310/packers-free-agency-cornerbacks-ted-thompson-sign-secondary-aj-bouye-logan-ryan-impact
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on January 28, 2017, 09:20:34 AM
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/1/27/14420310/packers-free-agency-cornerbacks-ted-thompson-sign-secondary-aj-bouye-logan-ryan-impact (http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/1/27/14420310/packers-free-agency-cornerbacks-ted-thompson-sign-secondary-aj-bouye-logan-ryan-impact)

Informative and instructive:

"Last year’s top three free agent cornerbacks received a combined $98.8 million in guaranteed money. If the Packers try to compete in that kind of bidding war, they’re going to have a difficult time retaining any of their own free agents, leaving much of the defense to be populated by (wait for it) draft picks and undrafted free agents.

The next tier of free agents, likewise, presents similar issues. Four of the nine players rated between 70 and 79 by PFF are just 26 years old, which means that any potential bidders should be getting the heart of their prime.

However, this price range also gets tricky. Since most of the top end of the market probably will return to their team of origin, you’ll be in a bidding war even for a second tier player. And secondly, even someone in this range isn’t guaranteed to be any good. For sake of comparison, Ladarius Gunter’s grade for last season was 71.2 before a major regression this year.

Beyond the second tier range, there’s very little reason to consider signing anybody. This is the part of the list that will get you only “young” or “cheap,” leaving you to just cross your fingers and hope for “talented.” The Packers can do better than signing this kind of free agent."
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: SSG on February 01, 2017, 11:40:15 AM
http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2017/1/27/14420310/packers-free-agency-cornerbacks-ted-thompson-sign-secondary-aj-bouye-logan-ryan-impact

Not sure why Green Bay wouldn't be able to afford a FA CB?  8 CBs in the NFL made more than Sam Shields was scheduled to make next year.  There is a 99.9999% chance that Sam Shields time as a Packer is all but done.  Why is not affordable to use that money to replace him?  If Sam Shields was healthy and a UFA, he wouldn't be affordable because of our other UFAs? 
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: GBRoCk2 on February 27, 2017, 11:01:49 AM
Trumaine Johnson it sounds like getting tagged, remove one CB option from the list.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on February 27, 2017, 06:10:02 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788031/article/2017-nfl-free-agency-top-101-available-players

Most observers don't think the Packers will get in on the bidding for the top corners.  There is some speculation TT will go for 2nd tier corners but what does that mean.

If the above report is accurate the mid range corners at Amarkama ( 45) Kirkpatrick 46 and Clairborne 59- But they are all ranked lower than Hyde (32)

Why bother bringing these guys in other than the fact that they are veterans?
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: LMG on February 27, 2017, 06:17:04 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788031/article/2017-nfl-free-agency-top-101-available-players (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788031/article/2017-nfl-free-agency-top-101-available-players)

Most observers don't think the Packers will get in on the bidding for the top corners.  There is some speculation TT will go for 2nd tier corners but what does that mean.

If the above report is accurate the mid range corners at Amarkama ( 45) Kirkpatrick 46 and Clairborne 59- But they are all ranked lower than Hyde (32)

Why bother bringing these guys in other than the fact that they are veterans?


Maybe better backups??  confused(
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: dannobanano on February 27, 2017, 07:15:50 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788031/article/2017-nfl-free-agency-top-101-available-players

Most observers don't think the Packers will get in on the bidding for the top corners.  There is some speculation TT will go for 2nd tier corners but what does that mean.

If the above report is accurate the mid range corners at Amarkama ( 45) Kirkpatrick 46 and Clairborne 59- But they are all ranked lower than Hyde (32)

Why bother bringing these guys in other than the fact that they are veterans?

Hyde isn't a true CB, but those other are.

Hyde's versatility may be the reason he is ranked higher.

If the price was right, I wouldn't mind seeing Kirkpatrick in G&G.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: favre_4_ever on February 28, 2017, 05:31:36 AM
I would love claiborne-- when healthy- he was really good last year.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Twain on February 28, 2017, 05:57:01 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788031/article/2017-nfl-free-agency-top-101-available-players

Most observers don't think the Packers will get in on the bidding for the top corners.  There is some speculation TT will go for 2nd tier corners but what does that mean.

If the above report is accurate the mid range corners at Amarkama ( 45) Kirkpatrick 46 and Clairborne 59- But they are all ranked lower than Hyde (32)

Why bother bringing these guys in other than the fact that they are veterans?

Hyde may have an artificially high ranking.  Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player, but I see him as limited athletically, and if forced to play outside for a season you would see him exposed and abused on a regular basis.  He is versatile from the slot, and makes a lot of a high football intelligence, but his ceiling is limited.

The weakness in our secondary is on the perimeter.  Randall has potential to be successful there, and Gunter can do well against some types of receivers.  Losing Shields has left us without the combination of speed and physical ability to be successful against all types of receivers.  Even if Randall develops into that kind of guy, we still need a second one, and I don't see Gunter as having the speed he needs to cover all the snaps so to speak.

So the short way to say it is they need to look at another perimeter corner.  Hyde isn't in that category.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on February 28, 2017, 07:00:46 AM
Hyde may have an artificially high ranking.  Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player, but I see him as limited athletically, and if forced to play outside for a season you would see him exposed and abused on a regular basis.  He is versatile from the slot, and makes a lot of a high football intelligence, but his ceiling is limited.

So you dont think the folks @ NFL.com took his versatility into account when making the rankings? Otherwise, why do you feel his ranking artificially high?
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: SSG on February 28, 2017, 08:10:25 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000788031/article/2017-nfl-free-agency-top-101-available-players

Most observers don't think the Packers will get in on the bidding for the top corners.  There is some speculation TT will go for 2nd tier corners but what does that mean.

If the above report is accurate the mid range corners at Amarkama ( 45) Kirkpatrick 46 and Clairborne 59- But they are all ranked lower than Hyde (32)

Why bother bringing these guys in other than the fact that they are veterans?

If you'll notice, Hyde is one of 2 players listed as a "defensive back" instead of a CB.  So while he may be ranked higher, he isn't being ranked as a CB.  They've got him listed as a Safety in their positional breakdown of the list.  Hyde is what he is IMO.  He's a situational player who has clear limitations as an athlete. 

IMO, our defense needs a Sam Shields replacement.  Right now, we're as bad on the boundary at CB as any team in the NFL.  Will be interesting if the vacancy will be address or if they'd rather use exactly the same group we seen all year last season. 
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: LMG on February 28, 2017, 09:46:00 AM
Hopefully that same 'group' won't be injured for most of the year.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Twain on February 28, 2017, 01:23:34 PM
Hyde may have an artificially high ranking.  Don't get me wrong, I like him as a player, but I see him as limited athletically, and if forced to play outside for a season you would see him exposed and abused on a regular basis.  He is versatile from the slot, and makes a lot of a high football intelligence, but his ceiling is limited.

So you dont think the folks @ NFL.com took his versatility into account when making the rankings? Otherwise, why do you feel his ranking artificially high?

The reason is all pretty much there- the inability to reliably play on the perimeter and limited athleticism leads me to believe he is over rated.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Starr2Max on March 08, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
I just received tweets that
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: cpk1994 on March 09, 2017, 04:21:52 AM
You can add Tony Romo to the FA list. The Cowboys are set to release him Thursday:

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18854803/dallas-cowboys-release-tony-romo-thursday (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/18854803/dallas-cowboys-release-tony-romo-thursday)
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: maxman44 on March 09, 2017, 08:17:12 AM
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NFLTradeRumors.co‏ @nfltrade_rumors 1m1 minute ago

Browns Signing OL J.C. Tretter To Deal Worth Around $8.5M Per Year http://bit.ly/2niOBLQ  #Browns
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Hands on March 09, 2017, 09:21:26 AM
I think Green Bay should sign Pryor as punishment for signing Tretter.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: ThatGuy284 on March 09, 2017, 09:39:35 AM
I think Green Bay should sign Pryor as punishment for signing Tretter.

Browns already punished themselves by signing Kenny Britt to a big contract to be his replacement.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on March 09, 2017, 09:46:51 AM
8.5 million for a decent starter who has missed half the games in his career? ! ( Tretter
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: mancl on March 09, 2017, 12:09:48 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000791901/article/browns-to-sign-kevin-zeitler-to-5year-60m-deal

Crazy money- Lang is generally regarded as the 2nd best guard behind Zeitler- no way the Pack can afford him.

If memory serves me correctly, and there is no guarantee it does, the Packer really liked Zeitler but just missed him
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: SSG on March 09, 2017, 12:28:51 PM
The rich seem to be just getting richer.  New England traded a 4th for the Colt's starting TE Allen and it looks like their locking up FA's best CB in Gilmore.  They also might be trading Butler to New Orleans for Brandon Cooks.  I guess that is why New England is BY FAR the best and most successful franchise in the NFL.  They use all their tools and have built a dynasty because they are so versatile (trades, draft and UFAs).
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Lodestar on March 09, 2017, 12:58:14 PM
The rich seem to be just getting richer.  New England traded a 4th for the Colt's starting TE Allen and it looks like their locking up FA's best CB in Gilmore.  They also might be trading Butler to New Orleans for Brandon Cooks.  I guess that is why New England is BY FAR the best and most successful franchise in the NFL.  They use all their tools and have built a dynasty because they are so versatile (trades, draft and UFAs).

No denying that the Patriots are the cream of the crop, but these aren't unanimously great moves. Gilmore has his warts as a corner and they're paying him a LOT of money to replace Logan Ryan, who was very good last year. Also, as good as Cooks may be, a lot of Pats fans are going to be outraged if they trade Butler. Of course they traded Jones and Collins, too, and those moves worked out... but just saying.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on March 09, 2017, 01:12:41 PM
Alson to the Eagles.
Wont be seeing him twice a year anymore.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: cpk1994 on March 09, 2017, 01:55:42 PM
Alson to the Eagles.
Wont be seeing him twice a year anymore.
Jay Cutler is also out of Chicago
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: SSG on March 09, 2017, 02:03:41 PM
The rich seem to be just getting richer.  New England traded a 4th for the Colt's starting TE Allen and it looks like their locking up FA's best CB in Gilmore.  They also might be trading Butler to New Orleans for Brandon Cooks.  I guess that is why New England is BY FAR the best and most successful franchise in the NFL.  They use all their tools and have built a dynasty because they are so versatile (trades, draft and UFAs).

No denying that the Patriots are the cream of the crop, but these aren't unanimously great moves. Gilmore has his warts as a corner and they're paying him a LOT of money to replace Logan Ryan, who was very good last year. Also, as good as Cooks may be, a lot of Pats fans are going to be outraged if they trade Butler. Of course they traded Jones and Collins, too, and those moves worked out... but just saying.

Gilmore had his ups and downs last year but he looked like an elite CB the year prior.  I think Belichick will be much better at using him than Rex Ryan.   This is also nice fall back if they can't workout a long term deal with Butler.  As it sits right now, the Super Bowl champs EASILY have one of the best CB pairs in the NFL.  The last time they made a move like this at CB, it directly resulted in a SB win.  Gotta respect that their still out for blood and will do anything to consistently improve.  Trading a 4th for Allen is a great move IMO.  They've got extra picks and he's one of the best blocking TEs in the NFL who's also a very good receiver.  His biggest issue has been health.  Instead of paying Bennett top dollar they traded a 4th round pick for a very comparable TE who's signed long term to a decent contract. 

RIGHT NOW, IMO New England is already better than the team that just won the last Super Bowl.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Ellis269 on March 12, 2017, 11:18:04 AM
If anybody wants Butler, they should just sign him to a mega offer sheet and force the Pats to match. They may or may not be willing to pay two top dollar CBs and will just take the first round pick. I'm kind of shocked that Donta Hightower is still available. I have a feeling that New England is low balling him and waiting for him to come back at their price tag. I think the Packers should make him a solid, fair market offer. Having versatile guys like Matthews and Hightower would be huge for the Packers run defense and pass rush. He's a guy who can handle anything Dom throws out there.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on March 15, 2017, 04:54:02 PM
The initial wave of NFL free agency is now complete, and while many of the league’s top available players are now off the board, there are still plenty of quality options still on the open market. Restricted and exclusive-rights free agents, as well as players who received the franchise tag, aren’t listed here, since the roadblocks in place to hinder another team from actually acquiring most of those players prevent them from being true free agents.

Here’s our breakdown of the current top 15 free agents by defensive position for 2017:

Edge defender:

    Dwight Freeney
    Elvis Dumervil
    Chris Long
    Mario Williams
    Connor Barwin
    Paul Kruger
    Trent Cole
    Erik Walden
    Jason Jones
    Darryl Tapp
    Devin Taylor
    Eugene Sims
    Howard Jones
    Wallace Gilberry
    Sam Acho


Interior defensive line:

    Johnathan Hankins
    Dontari Poe
    Jared Odrick
    Vance Walker
    Sen’Derrick Marks
    Ricky Jean-Francois
    Roy Miller
    Al Woods
    Tony McDaniel
    Cullen Jenkins
    Frostee Rucker
    Cam Thomas
    John Jenkins
    Tyson Jackson
    Tyson Alualu

Although top-flight players such as Calais Campbell and Brandon Williams have already been signed, the crop of interior defenders remains strong at the top. The buzz around Johnathan Hankins has been virtually non-existent, as the only club that’s been even tangentially linked to the 25-year-old is the Redskins. He’s one of the youngest free agents on the market, and therefore is probably looking for a massive payday. But the lack of interest around Hankins may be an indication that he’s simply asking for too much money.

The remaining defensive interior players are mostly over-30 veterans, with names such as Tony McDaniel, Cullen Jenkins, Frostee Rucker, and Tyson Jackson still looking for new deals. While most of these guys can still play, they may have to wait awhile — possibly into the summer — before signing on with their next club. Jared Odrick (Patriots) and Vance Walker (Bears) have both taken visits, but the most intriguing lineman here may be Sen’Derrick Marks, who offers a good amount of pass rush from the interior.

https://www.profootballrumors.com/ (https://www.profootballrumors.com/)
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on March 16, 2017, 01:03:39 PM
 Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 1m1 minute ago:
Former Cowboys' CB Morris Claiborne is expected to sign with the Jets, per league source. CB market now moving.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: BTIdaho on March 17, 2017, 11:30:26 AM
Is there any chance the Jets might be looking to unload Sheldon Richardson?  I know that he has been difficult at times, but maybe a change of scenery might be just what he needs.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on April 02, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
 Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 31m31 minutes ago:
Former Vikings running back Adrian Peterson will be taking his first free-agent visit Monday with the New England Patriots, per sources.
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on April 13, 2017, 12:39:19 PM
"The Indianapolis Colts reportedly reached an agreement Thursday with defensive lineman Johnathan Hankins on a three-year, $30 million free-agent contract."

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2691139-johnathan-hankins-colts-reportedly-agree-to-3-year-contract
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: rock county on April 13, 2017, 03:51:41 PM
3 yr/ $30 mil for a run stuffer?  Why not?  Looks like Colts are contenders for FA Champs!  Wonder how Dan Snyder feels about this?
Title: Re: 2017 FA list
Post by: Leader on September 01, 2017, 06:26:07 AM

An interesting factoid from Twitter:

GB basically got 6 FA's ($12.3M) in what cost in guaranteed money Seattle & Buffalo for Lacy & Hyde($13.1m). That's absolutely crazy...