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Title: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 28, 2017, 08:53:44 AM
Final 2017 Draft Day
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 28, 2017, 09:41:26 PM
Do we go Perine?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 28, 2017, 10:26:31 PM
Maybe they take a shot at Carl Lawson.  He slipped through the cracks.  Another Auburn guy. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: packdaddy on April 28, 2017, 10:29:42 PM
I'm hoping Perine, Lawson, or Biegel at 4a, then a guard at 4b.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 28, 2017, 10:46:19 PM
Do we go Perine?

Ladainian Tomlinson sure likes him.  Really think it's going to be one of those 2 guys.  Lawson or Perine.  My personal opinion is pass rusher is a higher priority also Lawson is the higher rated prospect.  He has had some injuries but was healthy all of last year.  Reminds me of Mike Neal.  So hard to guess what the Great White Buffalo will do.  Almost impossible to predict.   
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: JQ on April 28, 2017, 11:11:33 PM
Here’s a list, compiled by “Lombardi Avenue,” of guys they think are “best of the rest:”

https://lombardiave.com/2017/04/28/2017-nfl-draft-best-players-available-day-3/ (https://lombardiave.com/2017/04/28/2017-nfl-draft-best-players-available-day-3/)

I’d like to see a bad a$$ like Isaac Asiata added to the mix at O-Line. They need somebody to replace TJ’s enforcer attitude as well as his snaps. Another “Packer People” young man, but one who may be best suited for a power running game.

They could take HomeBoy Beigel, maybe Perine, possibly even Dorian Johnson, a guard who I think is too light in the pants to help much this year. But he could be a good player a year out. But I’m just tossing out names. No telling what Thompson’s thinking behind that poker face.

Rock On!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Bubba on April 29, 2017, 01:31:38 AM
ESPN currently has Josh Dobbs as BPA.  I wonder if we're able to move our next pick to someone still desperate for a QB.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 02:33:48 AM
Still on the board.

RB Bottom of the third to top of the fourth round is a sweet spot for RBs. Perine and Mack are both there, and there are more behind them like Gallman, Jamaal Williams, J.McNichols. Some like Joe Williams as well, but that's about all there are, that are likely to see significant action in 2017.

OG One of my favourite guards in the draft is there. Isaac Asiata

Edge Carl Lawson is still there. I did expect him to drop to the 90's due to several injuries, but he is looking like better value in the 4th. Barring the injury stuff, he should have gone at about pick 35-40.

WR Chad Hansen is a solid player. Nice size, enough speed, solid effort blocking, crafty, strong runner when jammed, has the mindset to succeed. Very much a TT player.

QB I don't expect the Packers to go there, but Peterman looks like a steal here. I said ages back I thought he would turn out the best QB in this draft......not spectacular, but a solid guy who could keep a franchise afloat.

So who is the pick ? I have difficulty seeing past a RB...........I'll go with Perine. There are enough guys I like here that a small trade down (4-5 spots) would be ok. Some posters have speculated about Biegel. He just might be in play with the Packers second 4th round pick at #134, though I'd say he was gone by then. At #108, I think there is better value elsewhere.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: pacman5252 on April 29, 2017, 04:30:26 AM
Lawson, Perine, or D Johnson. I kind of get the feeling we are going to blow off RB in the draft. Maybe take a flyer on Charles
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: gbnd4life on April 29, 2017, 04:48:23 AM
This first pick in the 4th better be Samaje Perine!!!! Just saying!!! TT buddy you said that you a.k.a The Packers defiantly need a RB. Now you let Mixon, Kamara, Cook, Foreman, Connor go!!! So now NOW NOW get a RB Please!!! I like Samaje Perine and Elijah Hood or even the guy from Boise State!!!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Skinny on April 29, 2017, 05:36:44 AM
Biegel and Perine.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 05:50:07 AM
Eye In The Sky‏ @The_Green_Gold  11m11 minutes ago
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 Damontae Kazee, Pita Taumoepenu, Bucky Hodges, Jack Tocho, Brian Allen, T.J. Logan, Jayon Brown. Remaining impact players #Packers


I'd throw Des King and Carl Lawson into that mix.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 05:55:08 AM
I'd like to see Lawson here.  If nothing else, he's a rotational player that can hold up better vs. the run than Fackrell and Elliot while not giving up much to them (if anything) in pass rush ability. 

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ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS Well-built with good muscular definition. Strong upper body. Has crisp, sharp hands. Able to strike and release to shed tight ends quickly. Aggressive setting edge and works with maxed-out arm extension after punch. Fights through down blocks from tight ends and receivers to string outside runs to the sideline. Could play standing up or with a hand on the ground. Has NFL power and aggressiveness. Explosive get-off with some heat in his feet over first two steps upfield. Good forward lean into his rush. Slaps and chops at tackle's punch to soften the edge. Takes tight, linear track to quarterback with big close-out burst once he turns the corner. Experience rushing from interior-line spot and stand-up inside backer. Finesse tackles will struggle to handle his speed-to-power bursts.
- nfl.com
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 05:56:10 AM
People who think there is only one choice "And they'd better get that player" make me laugh. There are a number of good choices available and anyone who thinks Ted drafts by working his way down a shopping list of needs (drafting the most acute need first and working down from there), should note the 2nd and 3rd picks of this draft, safety and DT/DE. They were not the most serious needs - what they almost certainly WERE, was the best guys on the Packers board, because while Ted is not an absolute BPA drafter, he shades that way. He is not (and has never been) a committed shopping-list drafter.

DE(OLB) Lawson, WR Hansen, OG Asiata, RB Mack, QB Peterman, all look like good value with the 108th pick. Perine does, as well, but he is not the only possibility. Sometimes it seems like some posters get too locked in to a certain player - Leader with Mixon, cpk with Watt, gbnd4life with Perine, to name some.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: mancl on April 29, 2017, 06:04:02 AM
I like Brian Hill better than Perine; Isidora gets the nod at guard.   My guy Golladay went yesterday so my next choice is Robert Davis @ WR.

All of these are fairly conventional choices- until now.

Lawson has had two many injuries- Biegel is o.k but the pass rusher I want is Samson Ebukam from Eastern Washington.
Consider how fast the first two picks were.  TT said this is not your grandfather's NFL- Or in my case- my case my father's  NFL.  It's all about explosiveness, speed

Samson has that.  He came from Nigeria when he was 9 and played soccer to start.  But he too physical for the soccer field so he ended up playing football.   Only got two scholarship offers.

While he put up some impressive numbers in college he didn't get invited to the Combine- But he wowed scouts at the pro day much like Brice did last year.  He is 6-2 250 but ran a 4.45 40-  That's better than a lot of skilled players on the team

He is very raw but in addition to his explosiveness he is intelligent and works very hard . He'll stand out on special teams and you spot him in passing situations until he refines his game.

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 06:32:55 AM
Looked at Brian Hill stuff yesterday. Cant say what type offense Wyoming had going or how successful they were - but Hill garnered over 600 carries his last two years - which seemed a heavy load to me - and his highlight video didnt show him catching one pass. Admittedly a limited view on my part - but I thought that somewhat odd. Guess it depends what role we want him to play. I guess Monty will be the "receiving" RB - would seem natural.

From Acme Packing:

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RB Samaje Perine, Oklahoma: He’s not a burner by any means, but Perine is in that “big back” mold that the Packers have liked in the past. At 5’11” and 233, he reminds you a bit of Eddie Lacy coming out of ALabama, and he was over 1,000 rushing yards in each of his three years of college football.

RB Brian Hill, Wyoming: Hill is more of a James Starks-type, at 6’1” and 219. He also tested better, with a 4.54 40 and 7.03 cone time. Hill was one of the most productive backs in college football last year with over 1,800 rushing yards.

I mean - if that was the game plan, you can do worse than cloning those two - but you can (or could) have done better IMO as well. It's all relative. We'll see.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 06:39:58 AM
Been reading around throw out another name.  TE Bucky Hodges.  Would be a TT type move.  Blind side us yet again.  Pick would make sense though guy is an athletic freak who will need a year to develop.  Another pick for the future.  Not an immediate need but in a deep TE class he may opt to score one.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 06:44:16 AM
 Perine should be the pick. Can really pound the ball. The # 5 rated back by Nawrocki, ran a 4.59, 40, did 30 on the bench. Really good in pass pro. The Packers need a hammer.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 06:47:29 AM
Jake Butt is still out there.  TE not a need, but hes a good football player coming off the knee injury.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: dbishop on April 29, 2017, 06:49:54 AM


EDGE RUSHER!!!!!  PLEASE!!!!
Biegel or Lawson
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 06:53:33 AM
Jake Butt is still out there.  TE not a need, but hes a good football player coming off the knee injury.

Without the knee injury where do you (or anyone) think he'd have been ranked?

From NFL.com:

Sources Tell Us:
"He's going to be a good pro. Everyone wants Kelce, Olsen or Gronk but those are elite players. Butt is dependable and will make first downs. They all get better as blockers once they get up here." -- AFC director of scouting

NFL Comparison Zach Miller

Bottom Line:
In-line tight end with strong, natural hands and the toughness to make a living in the middle of the field as a chain-moving safety blanket. While he's shown ability to operate as an intermediate target as well, he might lack the athleticism and separation to uncover against NFL safeties and some linebackers in man coverage. Butt must improve greatly as a blocker to reach his potential as a Y tight end. However, his ability as a reliable, productive target should earn him an early starter's nod with a chance to become a solid pro.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 07:11:19 AM
We got a guy like that already Leader.  Richard Rodgers.  Need a guy who can run the seam.  Butt isn't fast enough.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 07:13:49 AM
My GUESS for Jake Butt would have been mid to late round 2 prior to the injury.

I like Jake Butt and I cannot lie, but we need a RB and anything on defense.  Perhaps we go after Jamal Charles or a TT type back like LaGarette Blount after the draft.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 07:14:32 AM


EDGE RUSHER!!!!!  PLEASE!!!!
Biegel or Lawson

Agree!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: PackerJoe on April 29, 2017, 07:39:10 AM
I was real disappointed that Connor RB and Beckwith went off the board late, those two guys were high on my list.  Most of you know my feelings about the current MLB position (Slow, always out of position, can't cover TE's or backs).  We missed out on drafting some real good MLB's, one is still out there.  I really liked the DT from Auburn, but I had him on my board in the 5th rd.  He will move bodies and take up bodies and he plugs a huge hole in the middle from stopping opponents running game.  He alone with help our sad state of MLB's!!!!

Going into today, let's see who is on the board and what we have needs for.  Top of the list Pittsburgh OL Dorian Johnson, the best DB in this draft is still there Desmond King from Iowa.  Teams were so afraid at throwing at King, they didn't.  Look I am not from Iowa or Wisconsin, but I watch and attend alot of college games.  He's good for a few punt returns, too.  Alot of talk about RB, I do have Perine as a 2nd rd talent.  What round are we in?  Lawson is a very good pass rusher and perhaps we can get him with 4b.

Some other folks at the WR position, Chad Hansen from Cal reminds me alot of Jordy nelson and would be a steal if Lawson is off the board at 4b.  KD Cannon from Baylor in the fifth round reminds me alot of Donald Driver, great route runner and fearless over the middle.  I;m pretty sure Nazier jones from NC is still out there and he can play DT or DE.  Jeremy Sprinkle TE from ARK is out there as well as his WR teammate Drew Morgan.  I've been harping about LB's Biegel I like for his rush abilities and Pass coverage!  I like him in the 5th round, not before!  Anthony Walker from Northwestern, MLB is the last standing soldier at that position on my board.  Howard Wilson from Houston is another very good CB out there along with Kazee from San Diego State.  I hope the Packers Take a QB!!! Peterman is out there still, Russell from Baylor and Kelly from Miss. St.  I do like Corey Clement RB from WI in the 7th rd. or as an FA

I don't like machine gunning picks at the DB position, but more teams are putting four receivers out there and you are looking at attracting and adding more DB's so you do need talent and depth there and this was the draft to do that.   

We still need LB's, OL, RB's.

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: PackerJoe on April 29, 2017, 07:42:31 AM
Don't know if TT is willing to do this but the Jets are trying to dump salary and trade Sheldon Richardson cheap.  He is a very good DT.  Jets are asking for a 5th rd pick!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 07:55:14 AM
I was real disappointed that Connor RB and Beckwith went off the board late, those two guys were high on my list.  Most of you know my feelings about the current MLB position (Slow, always out of position, can't cover TE's or backs).  We missed out on drafting some real good MLB's, one is still out there.  I really liked the DT from Auburn, but I had him on my board in the 5th rd.  He will move bodies and take up bodies and he plugs a huge hole in the middle from stopping opponents running game.  He alone with help our sad state of MLB's!!!!

Going into today, let's see who is on the board and what we have needs for.  Top of the list Pittsburgh OL Dorian Johnson, the best DB in this draft is still there Desmond King from Iowa.  Teams were so afraid at throwing at King, they didn't.  Look I am not from Iowa or Wisconsin, but I watch and attend alot of college games.  He's good for a few punt returns, too.  Alot of talk about RB, I do have Perine as a 2nd rd talent.  What round are we in?  Lawson is a very good pass rusher and perhaps we can get him with 4b.

Some other folks at the WR position, Chad Hansen from Cal reminds me alot of Jordy nelson and would be a steal if Lawson is off the board at 4b.  KD Cannon from Baylor in the fifth round reminds me alot of Donald Driver, great route runner and fearless over the middle.  I;m pretty sure Nazier jones from NC is still out there and he can play DT or DE.  Jeremy Sprinkle TE from ARK is out there as well as his WR teammate Drew Morgan.  I've been harping about LB's Biegel I like for his rush abilities and Pass coverage!  I like him in the 5th round, not before!  Anthony Walker from Northwestern, MLB is the last standing soldier at that position on my board.  Howard Wilson from Houston is another very good CB out there along with Kazee from San Diego State.  I hope the Packers Take a QB!!! Peterman is out there still, Russell from Baylor and Kelly from Miss. St.  I do like Corey Clement RB from WI in the 7th rd. or as an FA

I don't like machine gunning picks at the DB position, but more teams are putting four receivers out there and you are looking at attracting and adding more DB's so you do need talent and depth there and this was the draft to do that.   

We still need LB's, OL, RB's.

Am I the only guy that likes our ILB's?  Martinez had the ability to cover but had an mcl that slowed him last year.  Ryan is solid.  We have Thomas who is fast and can cover.  Also have Matthews who can slide inside.  We could add a guy for depth but see repeatedly this is a need.  Thought early in the season these guys played very well.  Then they both got dinged.  Also signed Jordan Tripp.  I can live with what we have there.  Much rather go RB, G, OLB, TE, or WR.  Still have plenty of other more critical needs IMO.  TT  should just go BPA from these position groups.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 29, 2017, 08:02:44 AM
Don't know if TT is willing to do this but the Jets are trying to dump salary and trade Sheldon Richardson cheap.  He is a very good DT.  Jets are asking for a 5th rd pick!


Probably not....



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He began both the 2015 (drug related) and 2016 (personal conduct policy) seasons serving league-imposed suspensions. One more slip-up and he could be docked significant playing time. The Jets benched him for a quarter against the Dolphins this season. NJ Advance Media learned it was because he was regularly late to meetings, although Richardson said it was a one-time incident. There was a recurring feud with teammate Brandon Marshall, too.


And if all that's not enough, Richardson is, potentially, a rent-a-player.


If a team knows they'll have a guy under contract for two, three seasons, they're willing to part with more. But Richardson's in the final year of his rookie deal. Whichever team trades for him will have to either A) Franchise tag him, B) Give him a long-term contract next season, or C) watch him walk for free.


From an article on NJ.com (http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/04/nfl_draft_2017_jets_wont_say_if_theyre_shopping_sh.html)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 08:10:14 AM

Am I the only guy that likes our ILB's?  Martinez had the ability to cover but had an mcl that slowed him last year.  Ryan is solid.  We have Thomas who is fast and can cover.  Also have Matthews who can slide inside.  We could add a guy for depth but see repeatedly this is a need.  Thought early in the season these guys played very well.  Then they both got dinged.  Also signed Jordan Tripp.  I can live with what we have there.  Much rather go RB, G, OLB, TE, or WR.  Still have plenty of other more critical needs IMO.  TT  should just go BPA from these position groups.

No. you're not the only one. I am quite happy giving Ryan and particularly Martinez another shot this year to get the best idea of their talent. This sounds odd if you noticed that two of my favourite guys for round one were LBs Jamal Adams and Zach Cunningham, but I envisaged them as flexible guys able to play inside and out (though both needed to add a stone in weight, and both had the physique to do that). The modern buzzword in the NFL is multiple (by which I mean multi-positional), and they fitted that
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: MTPackerFan on April 29, 2017, 08:36:47 AM
KD Cannon is a great route runner? Baylor runs about 3 routes on the tree. They're known for being raw route runners coming out.

And you've never seen Beckwith play if you think he'll improve our speed. Lol.

I won't even reply to the silliness of Des King being the best DB in the draft, Adams being a 5th round grade and Perine a 2nd rounder. Don't quit your day job.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: pasmith13 on April 29, 2017, 08:41:57 AM
Like yesterday, I almost hope for a short trade down as there are a number of players I like:
 - Lawson .. would love to know the story here .. assume we will at some point.
 - King .. yes, I would go for a 3rd DB
 - Perine .. goes without saying
 - Johnson .. help on the Oline is another that goes without saying

there are even a few interesting WRs

As far as the 2nd pick in round .. how about the OT from Vandy .. Holden

He would fit the mold of a TT pick .. an OT to be moved inside.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 08:44:52 AM
One guy who hasn't been mentioned much yet is Iowa TE Kittle. He was very under-used at Iowa, but he is 6'4", 247lb, and ran a 4.52 40 - that is FAST for the size. Loads of upside. NFL.com has him at about #125. He could be a target at the top or the bottom of round 4 (I know the pack picked up Beckwith and Bennett, but they are short-term fixes).

Coming from Iowa, he is the kind of blocker that can quickly gain enough coaches trust to find a way on to the field.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Noble Warrior on April 29, 2017, 08:46:23 AM
Carroll Phillips might be a possibility
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 08:46:54 AM
One guy who hasn't been mentioned much yet is Iowa TE Kittle. He was very under-used at Iowa, but he is 6'4", 247lb, and ran a 4.52 40 - that is FAST for the size. Loads of upside. NFL.com has him at about #125. He could be a target at the top or the bottom of round 4 (I know the pack picked up Beckwith and Bennett, but they are short-term fixes).

Coming from Iowa, he is the kind of blocker that can quickly gain enough coaches trust to find a way on to the field.

He was hurt for much of his senior season but he's an incredible blocker and a pretty good receiver, too.  I sure wouldn't mind seeing him at the end of the 4th. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: davekenya on April 29, 2017, 08:50:21 AM
The names tossed out there are good possibilities.  It also suggests TT could slide back 5 spots, get an extra pick, and get any of:  RB Perine, TE Butt, DB King, OLD Lawson/Phillips and other notables. 

G Dorian Johnson should get BAP consideration while filling a position of need.    Tony Pauline, an NFL Draft Analyst and publisher of Draft Analyst.com (http://draftanalyst.com) said of him -- DORIAN JOHNSON: “He’s just a nasty blocker. He’s one of the most NFL ready offensive lineman in this year’s draft. He’s got a big body of work behind him. He’s a strong, dominant mauler and think he would be a good fit for a variety of systems.”  Pauline sees Johnson going in either the 2nd or 3rd round “if he’s not medically red flagged.” 

I could not find major medical issues on him -- he had a minor that kept him out of the Senior Bowl which we all know TT (and others) rely on heavily for analysis.  He had a minor (is there such a thing?) hamstring issue but it really didn't seem like much of an issue.  Maybe this is why he dropped?  I would not cry if he was the choice. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 08:50:48 AM
Like yesterday, I almost hope for a short trade down as there are a number of players I like:
 - Lawson .. would love to know the story here .. assume we will at some point.
 - King .. yes, I would go for a 3rd DB
 - Perine .. goes without saying


I could see any of those guys being the pick.  I think it come down to those three and Dorian Johnson, IMO.  We'll soon find out.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 08:53:14 AM
Okay - I've watched a few more video highlight reels of Perine - and like what I see. He's NOT Eddie Lacy. I dont want another Eddie Lacy.
A back that looks like a "pin ball" as he bounces off defenders on its way down a football field. They dont last or run far in today's NFL IMO where defenders are overly muscled speed merchants paid to crush people.

Perine doesnt erase "Eddie Lacy related" thoughts that our OL isnt road grader / run blocking elites (yes, I know, we're not a running team) - so the holes I'm seeing Perine fit/run through might become more of the non-existant variety. Oklahoma most certainly was a running tedam and its not hard to imagine their OL just pounded the opposition into submission. Thats why I wanted a quicker, faster, but bigger than gnat sized, get outside and go RB.

Switching gears - Charles is an interesting (after)thought - but he's had ACL surgery on both knees in the last two years (Is that right?) What those joints have left in them has to be questioned at his point.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: mtsportsfan on April 29, 2017, 08:53:58 AM
That's why I did not understand why Ted signed two tight ends in such a rich te draft, I like the Bennett  signing. I know Hendricks was cheap,but we could have signed someone at another position for depth .
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 08:54:51 AM
4th round is TT's bitch.  This is where he really shines.  Chances are we will all be huh when he picks.  Always a guy not on anyone's radar.  Be nice if we could engineer a decent trade back and add a little more here.  dunno he's had all night to think about who he wants.  Someone may want to trade up for Peterman  give us some more juice for either this year or next.  Nice spot picking here.  Really thought he'd trade down from 33 but apparently no one offered up decent value.  Comps can be traded so maybe we slide back 10 spots and pick up another 4th this year or a 3rd next year.  Something like that.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Donzo on April 29, 2017, 09:02:14 AM
The chalk says Perine or Lawson... I'll go Perine.

I like him as a compliment to Monty and I don't think much is left after him at RB.

For edge rushers, there's other prospects out there... What does Lawson have on Ebukam?... If anything, Ebukam is faster and much healthier.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Donzo on April 29, 2017, 09:03:32 AM
4th round is TT's bitch.

Like it!

Lets have some fun!

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Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 09:04:32 AM
The names tossed out there are good possibilities.  It also suggests TT could slide back 5 spots, get an extra pick, and get any of:  RB Perine, TE Butt, DB King, OLD Lawson/Phillips and other notables. 

G Dorian Johnson should get BAP consideration while filling a position of need.    Tony Pauline, an NFL Draft Analyst and publisher of Draft Analyst.com (http://draftanalyst.com) said of him -- DORIAN JOHNSON: “He’s just a nasty blocker. He’s one of the most NFL ready offensive lineman in this year’s draft. He’s got a big body of work behind him. He’s a strong, dominant mauler and think he would be a good fit for a variety of systems.”  Pauline sees Johnson going in either the 2nd or 3rd round “if he’s not medically red flagged.” 

I could not find major medical issues on him -- he had a minor that kept him out of the Senior Bowl which we all know TT (and others) rely on heavily for analysis.  He had a minor (is there such a thing?) hamstring issue but it really didn't seem like much of an issue.  Maybe this is why he dropped?  I would not cry if he was the choice.

Tony P said this AM that teams have him red flagged for medical.  Something with his liver?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 09:06:36 AM
I don't want a trade down at this point. I want a player, prefer an EDGE rusher, but the RB from Oklahoma would be really good value here.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 09:07:40 AM
Winners

Green Bay Packers:  Terrific job by the organization.  In Kevin King and Josh Jones they got first round caliber defensive backs in round two.  In Montravius Adams they got first round ability in the third round.


FWIW - http://draftanalyst.com/day-two-winners-and-losers (http://draftanalyst.com/day-two-winners-and-losers)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 09:11:46 AM
Okay - I've watched a few more video highlight reels of Perine - and like what I see. He's NOT Eddie Lacy. I dont want another Eddie Lacy.
A back that looks like a "pin ball" as he bounces off defenders on its way down a football field. They dont last or run far in today's NFL IMO where defenders are overly muscled speed merchants paid to crush people.

Perine doesnt erase "Eddie Lacy related" thoughts that our OL isnt road grader / run blocking elites (yes, I know, we're not a running team) - so the holes I'm seeing Perine fit/run through might become more of the non-existant variety. Oklahoma most certainly was a running tedam and its not hard to imagine their OL just pounded the opposition into submission. Thats why I wanted a quicker, faster, but bigger than gnat sized, get outside and go RB.

Switching gears - Charles is an interesting (after)thought - but he's had ACL surgery on both knees in the last two years (Is that right?) What those joints have left in them has to be questioned at his point.

I appreciate your wanting a guy with some size and speed that can get outside.  I do too.  I worry about the durability/availability of those guys that have gone earlier like Mixon, Cook, and Kamara.  Of those 3, Cook is the only one who routinely had 20 carry games.

With Perine I feel like he can have the durability to carry a full load, and is a bit faster than Lacy was with his ankle issues.  But you are right, he probably isn't going to threaten the edge like Mixon did, and the combination of the two really set each up for success in college because they could be played when the game situation favored their skill set.

My hope is that Montgomery can take ownership of the edge threatening running back that can also be very productive in the passing game, while Perine can be the guy that fatigues the defense and makes them commit to the line of scrimmage.

That being said, Ted never drafts who I like, so Perine most likely won't be a Packer.

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 09:13:46 AM
Capers getting handshakes again.  Looks like a defensive player again. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 09:14:42 AM
LOVE THIS PICK! Kid might wind up being better than WHAT? LOL

BTW, did Robert Brooks just take credit for LeRoy Butler inventing the Lambeau Leap? I think he did.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 09:14:48 AM
Biegel
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: green machine on April 29, 2017, 09:14:52 AM
A bit early for Biegel.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 09:15:48 AM
Maybe a little early, but I would have expected him to be gone by #134
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 09:15:58 AM
A bit early for Biegel.

Never too early for a guy who can rush the passer.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 09:16:21 AM
I like it.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 09:16:58 AM
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 Vince Biegel was my No. 63 overall prospect.

The Packers just got him at No. 108
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 09:17:22 AM
I also wonder if there will be a Jamal Charles signing post draft...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: claymaker on April 29, 2017, 09:21:02 AM
A bit early for Biegel.

Never too early for a guy who can rush the passer.

Meh. I think like Watt he's a better LB than pass rusher. I do like the pick though.

I liked Carl Lawson a bit more.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Donzo on April 29, 2017, 09:21:27 AM
Not sexy, but Fair value & fills a need.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 09:23:04 AM
 Good pick! He may play some inside also. This takes the TJ Watt disappointment away a little bit.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: BIG LEGEND on April 29, 2017, 09:23:59 AM
I had stated maybe late in round 3 for Biegel to the Packers and get him with first pick in round 4 great value. Not much of a gap between him and Watt. Anyone stating a bit early for Biegel - comical. A good athlete with a non-stop motor that plays the game with bad intentions. For the first time ever I can honestly say I love this draft up to this point. In my opinion the Packers not only got need players, but got them at tremendous value for where they were selected
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 09:26:59 AM
All defense.  What will the excuses be for Dom Capers this year?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: gbnd4life on April 29, 2017, 09:32:13 AM
Nice pick, but I think Biegel pick was a reach pick for not getting Watt in the first!! "TT saying here I'll make up for what I did in the first" Reach Pick!!!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Donzo on April 29, 2017, 09:32:42 AM
All defense.  What will the excuses be for Dom Capers this year?

Really, that's your take?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 09:32:55 AM
 :(
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: robertgoulet on April 29, 2017, 09:36:46 AM
Perine to Washington
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: davekenya on April 29, 2017, 09:40:37 AM
Helps fill a need area potentially.  Guess there were no offers/reasonable deals to trade back.  Taking Adams (first) and Biegel a few picks later...I could conjecture the brass felt that at the Adams pick...they had multiple options at R4 1st pick if Biegel wasn't there.  Again, conjecture...who knows what was really the thinking...or maybe Adams was just that much above others in value at that point...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 09:41:03 AM
Lawson to Bengals.

Curious to see how he matches up to VB.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 09:41:14 AM
:(

Knew that was a definate soon as you said:
"That being said, Ted never drafts who I like, so Perine most likely won't be a Packer."
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 09:41:45 AM
All defense.  What will the excuses be for Dom Capers this year?

Really, that's your take?
Absolutely!!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: mtsportsfan on April 29, 2017, 09:42:22 AM
Love the Biegel pick, a actual olb  that played olb! Not a converted de . Wisconsin boy,yeah.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: gbnd4life on April 29, 2017, 09:43:00 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 09:44:31 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 09:44:45 AM
Watched every Badger game.  Biegel got his name called alot.  Good player.  Similar to Watt not quite as explosive.  Should be interesting to compare the 2 guys professional careers.  Homer pick but that's OK.  Another super character guy.  He'll leave it all on the field.  Someone posted about measurables and TT's requirements.  Biegel was one of only a handful of guys to meet his criteria.  He'll make some plays.  I'm ok with it.  He'll be a fan favorite.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 09:44:51 AM
Lawson to Bengals.

Curious to see how he matches up to VB.

I think Lawson would have been the better fit here, honestly.  15 lbs heavier than Biegel --> certainly built better to set the edge in our 4-2-5 on base running downs. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 09:47:07 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 09:48:49 AM
Lawson to Bengals.

Curious to see how he matches up to VB.

I think Lawson would have been the better fit here, honestly.  15 lbs heavier than Biegel --> certainly built better to set the edge in our 4-2-5 on base running downs.

Thought so too.  With the Packers injury history maybe they shied away.  Lawson has had his share.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 09:49:43 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys.

Agree, I still think Jamaal Charles is a factor here.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 09:50:03 AM
 Biegel is just an all around good football player. He loves the game. I've been watching him a long time. He was a special player at Wisconsin Rapids. He isn't stiff, which is a problem with a lot of 3/4 OLBs, all speed and no bend. Matthews can bend, Von Miller can bend, KGB could really bend. I won't say he's at their level, but he can bend.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 09:51:41 AM
I have to wonder if Biegel may figure into ILB as well.

With the plan to move Matthews around we need other guys that can do multiple things as well.  Biegel is far more versatile than Lawson
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 09:52:12 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys. 

Nobody's heading out for the highest bridge or jumping ship - but the "deep" RB class is getting shallower and shallower.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 09:53:11 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys. 

Nobody's heading out for the highest bridge or jumping ship - but the "deep" RB class is getting shallower and shallower.

So far I am only on the roof, but I may get the map out to find that bridge.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 09:54:28 AM
When Jamal Charles signs, you guys will all be happy again!  8)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 09:55:40 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys. 

Nobody's heading out for the highest bridge or jumping ship - but the "deep" RB class is getting shallower and shallower.

So far I am only on the roof, but I may get the map out to find that bridge.

ha ha ha...he'll draft one and sign an UDFA.  Keep in mind Starks was a #6 he turned out to be pretty good.  Sure TT has a guy on his radar that isn't on ours.  Then we'll all go who?  TT always has a plan sure he is well aware of our RB situation.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 09:57:08 AM
I gotta think RB at 134.  I think you are  right, and UDFA's figure into the depth plan.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 09:57:25 AM
 This is what a scout had to say about Lawson in Nawrockis' book, "A walking china doll, he looks like a undersized tin man. With all respect, he plays his ass off. He's so stiff though, there's no way he can play end." Biegel is compared to Brooks Reed. The Nawrocki book can be downright brutal on prospects.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 09:57:57 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys. 

Nobody's heading out for the highest bridge or jumping ship - but the "deep" RB class is getting shallower and shallower.

So far I am only on the roof, but I may get the map out to find that bridge.

Nahhhhhhhh.....dont bother.
Just jump off the roof....it's easier!  :)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 09:59:23 AM
I gotta think RB at 134.  I think you are  right, and UDFA's figure into the depth plan.


You can think RB/UDFA...but it'll be a Guard :)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 10:04:41 AM
I gotta think RB at 134.  I think you are  right, and UDFA's figure into the depth plan.


You can think RB/UDFA...but it'll be a Guard :)

argh, the roof isn't high enough...where is that map...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 10:12:02 AM
Eh, Cheer up people. Does this make you feel better?

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Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 10:12:46 AM
Love to have Bucky Hodges there for the taking when we pick.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Lodestar on April 29, 2017, 10:14:52 AM
Eh, Cheer up people. Does this make you feel better?

https://gfycat.com/FlawedThatBurro (https://gfycat.com/FlawedThatBurro)

I am absolutely thrilled with our draft so far. Bigger, faster, stronger everywhere on defense.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 10:17:29 AM
Eh, Cheer up people. Does this make you feel better?

https://gfycat.com/FlawedThatBurro (https://gfycat.com/FlawedThatBurro)

I am absolutely thrilled with our draft so far. Bigger, faster, stronger everywhere on defense.

I agree.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: skcusICH on April 29, 2017, 10:17:48 AM
I didn't see where RB was holding this team back last year.

Why invest highly in an area that isn't going to put the team in position to win more games? Needed a CB badly and got some great potential by trading back even. Needed a guy who could cover TE's and replace Micah Hyde. Got one in round 2 and could be a major upgrade over Hyde. Instantly bigger, faster, and stronger in the secondary with the 1st two picks. I can't make one argument at how a RB was needed more than these two roles.

A big body on the DL is always a must. Were pretty thin last year and got lucky that injuries didn't hit the spot. With the Biegel pick, again OLB depth is going to be more vital than another RB. Montgomery and Michael will have the luxury of an offseason in the program. The offense wasn't the problem last year. With the addition of Bennett and Kendricks, the opposing safeties and LB's could have their hands full. Add in Montgomery's receiving skills. This offense will be fine. Defense was needed. OL is also needed. Have loved the draft so far.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: robertgoulet on April 29, 2017, 10:20:40 AM
I'm just really flabbergasted of all the RB's that we could've had!!! Is Ty and Christine that good. Relying on Rodgers way to much next big back is Elijah Hood!!! We only have 2 RB's on our team, 3 if you count Don Jackson. Un-Be-Leave-A-Bull!!!! :P :-[

I hear that.

Draft isn't over guys. 

Nobody's heading out for the highest bridge or jumping ship - but the "deep" RB class is getting shallower and shallower.

So far I am only on the roof, but I may get the map out to find that bridge.

ha ha ha...he'll draft one and sign an UDFA.  Keep in mind Starks was a #6 he turned out to be pretty good.  Sure TT has a guy on his radar that isn't on ours.  Then we'll all go who?  TT always has a plan sure he is well aware of our RB situation.
He's also given us Brandon Jackson Alex green deshawn Wynn and a host of udfa rbs that have had to play meaningful downs for us. Our offense is at its best when we have some resemblance of a running game, and while I like Monty, hes not a lead back. I just fear by week 6 were gonna be scouring practice squads for a rb
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 10:21:13 AM
RBs Mack and Gallman, and the other Jamaal (Williams), guard Asiata, WR Hansen and TE Kittle all still on the board
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 10:23:16 AM
3 picks left before the Pack

Des King
Jake Butt
George Kittle
Asiata
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: JQ on April 29, 2017, 10:24:52 AM
I didn't see where RB was holding this team back last year.

Why invest highly in an area that isn't going to put the team in position to win more games? Needed a CB badly and got some great potential by trading back even. Needed a guy who could cover TE's and replace Micah Hyde. Got one in round 2 and could be a major upgrade over Hyde. Instantly bigger, faster, and stronger in the secondary with the 1st two picks. I can't make one argument at how a RB was needed more than these two roles.

A big body on the DL is always a must. Were pretty thin last year and got lucky that injuries didn't hit the spot. With the Biegel pick, again OLB depth is going to be more vital than another RB. Montgomery and Michael will have the luxury of an offseason in the program. The offense wasn't the problem last year. With the addition of Bennett and Kendricks, the opposing safeties and LB's could have their hands full. Add in Montgomery's receiving skills. This offense will be fine. Defense was needed. OL is also needed. Have loved the draft so far.

Well Said! Great utility meets need draft so far, and the Value has been Quite Good as well! Thompson hasn’t felt the running back value has been available when it’s been Green Bay’s turn to pick.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 10:25:18 AM
I didn't see where RB was holding this team back last year.

Why invest highly in an area that isn't going to put the team in position to win more games? Needed a CB badly and got some great potential by trading back even. Needed a guy who could cover TE's and replace Micah Hyde. Got one in round 2 and could be a major upgrade over Hyde. Instantly bigger, faster, and stronger in the secondary with the 1st two picks. I can't make one argument at how a RB was needed more than these two roles.

A big body on the DL is always a must. Were pretty thin last year and got lucky that injuries didn't hit the spot. With the Biegel pick, again OLB depth is going to be more vital than another RB. Montgomery and Michael will have the luxury of an offseason in the program. The offense wasn't the problem last year. With the addition of Bennett and Kendricks, the opposing safeties and LB's could have their hands full. Add in Montgomery's receiving skills. This offense will be fine. Defense was needed. OL is also needed. Have loved the draft so far.

It is just a depth worry.

It is a position where injury is common, and on top of that Montgomery has shown that he can be limited by his sickle trait.

To a certain extent, while I am disappointed that my man crush was picked elsewhere, I am joking as I realize there are still good backs on the board and they will be there for a while yet.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: iarwain on April 29, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
All defense.  What will the excuses be for Dom Capers this year?
I'm with you.  This has been the trend for years now.  But it's intereting to see that Ted propped up the offense mainly through free agency this year, while relying on the draft to address the D.  To Ted's credit, at least he seems to be wanting to add size and speed.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 10:31:01 AM
All defense.  What will the excuses be for Dom Capers this year?
I'm with you.  This has been the trend for years now.  But it's intereting to see that Ted propped up the offense mainly through free agency this year, while relying on the draft to address the D.  To Ted's credit, at least he seems to be wanting to add size and speed.

Depth at RB, TE, OL --> Other than that?  Should be quite a few late round guys that can help in a pinch. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:31:30 AM
It is just a depth worry.
It is a position where injury is common, and on top of that Montgomery has shown that he can be limited by his sickle trait.
To a certain extent, while I am disappointed that my man crush was picked elsewhere, I am joking as I realize there are still good backs on the board and they will be there for a while yet.

Agree with this. Although I would have liked a true RB PLAYER out of this class - at this juncture, I just want somebody that can hold up and make DC's nervous cause he can make plays!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 10:32:43 AM
It's RB time  !!!!

Jamaaaaaaal Williams
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: BIG LEGEND on April 29, 2017, 10:33:06 AM
This draft keeps getting better and better, great pick
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: packdaddy on April 29, 2017, 10:33:44 AM
Williams is a big RB known for his ability to break tackles. Good pick.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:35:03 AM
Jamal Williams

Quote
Led the Cougars in rushing in all four seasons in which he played, even though he has had off-field and injury issues during his time in Provo. The all-state pick from California played immediately as a true freshman, starting eight games and rushing for 755 yards and 12 touchdowns on 166 carries. He also added 315 yards and a touchdown on 27 receptions. Williams was an FBS All-Independent team pick as the full-time starter in 2013, gaining 1,233 yards and scoring seven times on 217 totes (18-125 receiving). His junior season was derailed by a knee injury and suspension for multiple team code violations, including an underage drinking citation. He rushed for 518 yards and four scores in seven games that year, still leading the team in rushing. Williams sat out the 2015 season entirely after withdrawing from school for personal reasons, always intending to return for his senior season the following fall. He carried the mail for the Cougars 234 times in 2016, accumulating 1,375 yards and scoring 12 times, though he missed three games with an ankle injury. He finished fifth in the country with 137.5 yards per game last fall, in part thanks to a 287-yard, five-touchdown effort against Toledo before the ankle injury occurred.

Strengths Carries NFL size with a muscular build and good height. Able to bend at point of impact and attack with decent leverage. Uses his stiff arm as a weapon to escape tackles on an angle. Decisive runner. Sees it and goes. Not into dancing. Has a functional spin move he uses to spin out of tackles and grind out a few extra yards. Keeps his feet churning through contact. Above average ball security with a fumble rate of 140 (one fumble every 140 carries).

Weaknesses Bulls through running lanes crashing into blockers rather than shifting with the contours. Doesn't have athleticism to create early yardage for himself. Missing a functional jump cut for sudden shift from gap to gap once line of scrimmage muddies. Hit or miss with run lanes he chooses. Excessive forward lean creates issues with contact balance. Too easily felled by arm tackles. Banger, but not a tackle breaker. Doesn't have the speed to turn the corner when runs spill outside.

Draft Projection Rounds 4-5

Sources Tell Us "He's not very dynamic as a runner so he needs to carve out a niche for himself as a physical backup who can go cover on kickoffs. He hasn't been a special teams guy but he better start." - AFC West regional scout

NFL Comparison Stepfan Taylor

Bottom Line His NFL size and physical nature give him a shot to make the back-end of the running back depth chart, but his inability to create for himself with broken tackles and elusiveness puts a ceiling on his draft value.


From NFL.com
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 10:37:46 AM
Boom! This draft is legit!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: MO.Pack on April 29, 2017, 10:38:00 AM
I have him as running a 4.41 at the combine..so he has speed.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:39:21 AM
Jamaal Williams

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tubrdY1jr8o
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: EXIT_HERE on April 29, 2017, 10:39:30 AM
Guy has amazing vision, and when he sees a hole he goes and gets it. Like it!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Lodestar on April 29, 2017, 10:40:43 AM
I have him as running a 4.41 at the combine..so he has speed.

He was timed at 4.59 I believe.

Need to learn more about this guy. Curious to hear the pressers later.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: JQ on April 29, 2017, 10:42:21 AM

From CBS/NFL:

Shows lateral agility and surprising balance for a back with his high-cut frame. Impressive power for his build, consistently generating yardage after contact. Keeps his legs churning and spins out of tackles, falling forward to rack up extra yards.
His acceleration comes naturally. His mother was a standout sprinter at UCLA and he ran for the BYU track team in 2014


AND, he holds onto the football:

Above average ball security with a fumble rate of 140 (one fumble every 140 carries).
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:43:00 AM
Has some nice tape. Phew. Looks like we have a true RB with some get up and go.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: EXIT_HERE on April 29, 2017, 10:43:37 AM
I think he runs alot like Jordan Howard.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:46:29 AM
Here's what the Packers think of BYU running back Jamaal Williams, their fourth-round pick: "He's an aggressive downhill runner, he's tough, he's built to last," director of college scouting Jon-Eric Sullivan said. "I think he's going to complement the guys we have here. We're excited about Ty [Montgomery]." Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: skcusICH on April 29, 2017, 10:47:15 AM
I like the combination of skill sets with the Packers top 3 RB's now.

Williams looks like a solid addition to what Montgomery and Michael offer. RB looks much better now.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 10:48:46 AM
I like the highlight tape more than the write up from nfl.com.

I do see a functional jump cut, and don't see too much forward lean on the tape so I wonder what the write up is based on.

Hopefully he can have a healthy productive career with the Packers.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:50:03 AM
I like the highlight tape more than the write up from nfl.com.

I do see a functional jump cut, and don't see too much forward lean on the tape so I wonder what the write up is based on.

Hopefully he can have a healthy productive career with the Packers.

Agree with this as well. The tape alleviated concerns the write up caused.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 29, 2017, 10:55:51 AM
2 picks coming up in the 5th RD.


#172 & #182.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: MO.Pack on April 29, 2017, 10:57:27 AM
I have him as running a 4.41 at the combine..so he has speed.

He was timed at 4.59 I believe.

Need to learn more about this guy. Curious to hear the pressers later.



Thanks, got it mixed up with Joe Williams from Utah
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 10:57:47 AM
Who's the best of the rest?

What positions we looking to build up and are their playmakers still on the board for us?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 11:03:42 AM
TE WR G
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: MO.Pack on April 29, 2017, 11:04:41 AM
This from Lindy's sports,   "Williams gets lost a bit in the shuffle of this year's running back class but it would surprise no one who watched him at BYU if the school's all-time rushing(3,901 yards and 35 rushing touchdowns) leader wound up out-producing may of those selected ahead of him once in the NFL.  In a class full of flashy runners with sports-car-like speed, Williams is more of a punishing, between-the-tackles back with the leg drive to simply run over would-be tacklers. 


Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 11:09:09 AM
This from Lindy's sports,   "Williams gets lost a bit in the shuffle of this year's running back class but it would surprise no one who watched him at BYU if the school's all-time rushing(3,901 yards and 35 rushing touchdowns) leader wound up out-producing may of those selected ahead of him once in the NFL.  In a class full of flashy runners with sports-car-like speed, Williams is more of a punishing, between-the-tackles back with the leg drive to simply run over would-be tacklers. 

More than works for me.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 11:09:41 AM
Butt just went to Denver.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Lodestar on April 29, 2017, 11:13:59 AM
Williams seems like a functional runner. Great frame and fluid athlete who could get stronger and develop into a threat in the pass game. Not flashy or fast, but he's a running back and we needed one.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: dbishop on April 29, 2017, 11:15:58 AM
Nice 4th Round!
Love both picks.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 11:19:13 AM
Really think Williams upright  running style is going to expose him to a lot of hits at the next level.  He reminds me of Arian Foster's style.  It worked for him, maybe it works for Williams.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: claymaker on April 29, 2017, 11:26:56 AM
Who's the best of the rest?

What positions we looking to build up and are their playmakers still on the board for us?

Desmond King is still on the board.

Sure he's another Hyde type of player and they just took two DBs, but overall I think he's a really good player. Would be stacked in the secondary again.

Anthony Walker Jr presents good value at this point. I'd be pleased with him in the 5th round.

Noah Brown has starting potential at WR. Good RAC ability and nice hands. Would be happy with him too.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 11:29:50 AM
Quite a few good players off the board after Williams.

Butt, Kittle, King...

I hope he's worth it because all three of those players are going to have looong, productive NFL careers. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 11:30:09 AM
King went to the Chargers.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Tony on April 29, 2017, 11:30:22 AM
Who's the best of the rest?

What positions we looking to build up and are their playmakers still on the board for us?

Desmond King is still on the board.

Sure he's another Hyde type of player and they just took two DBs, but overall I think he's a really good player. Would be stacked in the secondary again.

Anthony Walker Jr presents good value at this point. I'd be pleased with him in the 5th round.
R
Noah Brown has starting potential at WR. Good RAC ability and nice hands. Would be happy with him too.

King is now a Charger.  Just saw this was already mentioned.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 11:31:11 AM
Josh Norris‏Verified account @JoshNorris  3m3 minutes ago
More
 Best Players on the board:

S Xavier Woods (61)
iOL Chase Roullier (69)
TE Bucky Hodges (79)
OL Will Holden (93)
TE Eric Saubert (105)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: green machine on April 29, 2017, 11:36:56 AM
Josh Norris‏Verified account @JoshNorris  3m3 minutes ago
More
 Best Players on the board:

S Xavier Woods (61)
iOL Chase Roullier (69)
TE Bucky Hodges (79)
OL Will Holden (93)
TE Eric Saubert (105)
Cards just took Holden.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 11:37:24 AM
Four of first ten 5th round picks are TE. 

Still some o-linemen left, Asiata, Isidora, Roderick Johnson, Tyler Orloski...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 11:38:45 AM
Potential G Corey Levin Chattanooga.  See if TT takes him in the 5th.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 11:38:52 AM
Anyone else see Ryan Grant when watching Williams' film?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 11:40:53 AM
 A guard that fits the Packers is Corey Levin, Chattanooga. He was compared to Josh Sitton.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 11:41:50 AM
 WOW! Scoremore thinking the same as me.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 11:42:08 AM
A guard that fits the Packers is Corey Levin, Chattanooga. He was compared to Josh Sitton.

Beat you to it...ha ha ha
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 11:43:27 AM
 Another player to keep in mind, Robert Davis, WR, Georgia State.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 11:44:05 AM
Anyone else see Ryan Grant when watching Williams' film?

Yes.  Thought the same thing.  Good vision.  Big.  Runs upright.  Not much wiggle.  Not much burst.  Runs through tackles. 

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 11:45:42 AM
Bucky Hodges might take him first as they are running on TE's.  Then follow up with Levin.  Would work for me.  Developmental WR sure would be nice also.  But we already have some guys in the mix there.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 11:51:37 AM
FRANCIS OWUSU  project WR.  Big and fast.  Stanford product so has to have something upstairs.  Don't know jack about him just looking at the measurables...6'3"  sub 4.4 40.  220 lbs Later round flyer possibly UDFA
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 11:58:01 AM
What's Williams' aptitude for blocking and catching passes? 

One thing with all five picks thus far:  they've all played a lot of college football already, at least 3 years each, and mostly against good competition (not sure how good BYU's schedule is...).  None look to be dramatically changing their positions.  And other than maybe Biegel, none seem way too small, like they'll need two summers of weight-room work before they could play. 

Might be some guys who will be able to play through most of their rookie contracts, rather than needing to burn several years body-building and adjusting.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: dbishop on April 29, 2017, 11:59:33 AM
Rd 5
OL would be nice.   Orlosky, Levin, Norton, McDermott
OLB - Mathis from Washington, Moss from Youngstown St.
WR - Davis or Maybe Noah Brown,
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 11:59:37 AM
Asiata gone.  Bummer. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 11:59:44 AM
Guys I like in the 5th.....

Guards   Asiata, Isidora        Two solid guards left.
LB Ejuan Price                     Like him a lot, undersized but dynamic and solidly built
QB Peterman                       Just very good value here
WR Dupre                            A bad QB at LSU meant he couldn't show his best, solid pick
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 12:00:51 PM
Asiata finally gone
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 29, 2017, 12:04:18 PM
And other than maybe Biegel, none seem way too small, like they'll need two summers of weight-room work before they could play.


 confused(



Watt - 6-4.5 / 252


Biegel - 6-3.5 / 246
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 12:07:31 PM
CB Myrick is top of the CBS board. He's the CB that ran a 4.28 40 time. Needs plenty of work, though, and only 5'10".
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Striker on April 29, 2017, 12:11:13 PM
Good day so far. BPA from here on out would be good?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: dbishop on April 29, 2017, 12:15:15 PM

Coverage says that Denver is next.

TT must have traded down.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: green machine on April 29, 2017, 12:18:02 PM
traded down 3 spots.  Don't know the details of the trade.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: PackerYakker on April 29, 2017, 12:18:38 PM
OT Adam Bisnowaty (PIT)

Nice pass pro skills but lacks tackle feet. A good candidate to move inside to G.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: BIG LEGEND on April 29, 2017, 12:18:55 PM
Yep
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 12:19:02 PM
we traded with Denver?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Lodestar on April 29, 2017, 12:19:39 PM
Traded down a few spots, picked up a mid-7th. Cool.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 12:22:26 PM
Peterman goes at #171. Lucky Buffalo.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Tony on April 29, 2017, 12:28:20 PM
WR Yancey from Purdue.  4.54 speed.  Know anything about this guy?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 12:29:07 PM
Big guy 6'2", 220. Know nothing about him
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Lodestar on April 29, 2017, 12:30:03 PM
Our first Ted special.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: MO.Pack on April 29, 2017, 12:31:04 PM
DeAngelo Yancy Purdue WR
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:31:10 PM
Our first Ted special.

He was in for a visit. I posted an article at the time.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: dbishop on April 29, 2017, 12:31:21 PM
Yancey was in GB for a pre-draft visit.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: House on April 29, 2017, 12:31:42 PM
Our first Ted special.
ya agreed.. lot of decent lineman sitting there..  :-\
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 12:31:50 PM
yep TT special.  you read on him and think ughhh.   sounds like a project guy.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: whiterook87 on April 29, 2017, 12:32:03 PM
Yancey

http://www.hogshaven.com/2017/4/9/15233894/deangelo-yancey-wr-the-big-bodied-wr-thats-drawing-a-lot-of-interest
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 12:32:04 PM
 He torched the Badgers in the 1st half of the game at Purdue.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: EXIT_HERE on April 29, 2017, 12:33:09 PM
yep TT special.  you read on him and think ughhh.   sounds like a project guy.

Its the 5th round. Most guys at this point a project guys.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 12:35:40 PM
 thumbsup)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:36:24 PM
We always need WR's IMO.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: House on April 29, 2017, 12:36:43 PM
We are back in the 5th again?
Comp picks, were up in 3 picks
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Lodestar on April 29, 2017, 12:36:54 PM
Yancey

http://www.hogshaven.com/2017/4/9/15233894/deangelo-yancey-wr-the-big-bodied-wr-thats-drawing-a-lot-of-interest

Quote
When I saw he went on visits or plans to go on visits to the Seahawks, Chargers, Ravens, Bengals, Texans, Packers, Raiders, Patriots, and Titans I knew I had to take a closer look at him.

They must have really liked him and thought they wouldn't be able to get him later. So they traded down a few spots, picked up an extra 7th, and got a player they feel good about. I'll take that.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 12:38:06 PM
yep TT special.  you read on him and think ughhh.   sounds like a project guy.

Its the 5th round. Most guys at this point a project guys.

yah I know.   These are the kind of guys when we all scratch our heads that turn out to be really good.  In TT I trust....
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:39:27 PM
Strengths Good size with sturdy frame. Averaged 19.4 yards per touch his senior season. Has build up speed and can climb over top if his runway is long enough. Active hands on vertical routes to create late separation. Can extend frame to pluck the high throw. Can track throws over his shoulder and watch them all the way in. Works away from cornerbacks on comebacks and hitch throws to create a cleaner window for quarterback. Will get in the way and run interference as a blocker.

Weaknesses Short stepper missing quick feet to shake press coverage off the snap. Upright and slow into his routes. Stiff into his breaks with prolonged gear down. Lacks burst out of breaks and double moves aren't quick enough to create the easy throwing window. Quality man coverage can smother him. Failed to catch at least 50 percent of targeted throws in any season at Purdue. Vertical sell to setup short and intermediate is unconvincing. Drops have been an issue throughout his career.

Draft Projection Round 7-PFA
Sources Tell Us "Priority free agent. Has to play down the field because he's not going to get open underneath. He's got size and can run a little bit so he's got a chance." -- AFC South regional scout

Bottom Line Four year letterman who has relied on quantity for his production totals. Yancey is a stiff-hipped vertical receiver only with good size but below average hands. A team could sniff around on him on Day 3, but he will struggle to uncover against NFL man coverage.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: MO.Pack on April 29, 2017, 12:41:40 PM
Isidora to Vikings
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 12:42:38 PM
Packers could be in significant need for WR pretty soon.  Hopefully Yancey will work out and be a useful 3rd receiver in due time.  Big guy, runs OK, those big guys can sometimes be pretty nice long and across the middle.  Couple of his highlights were nice crossing slants. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:44:13 PM
Another RB!  :)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
hmmm...doubling up on RB
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 12:45:08 PM
Yancey is a big boy.  Could he be a slot TE project?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 12:45:43 PM
Looks like Bucky Hodges is one of those guys who was all hype but for some reason, the pro GM's don't like him or his skill set. I'm shocked he's lasted this long.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:45:46 PM
Aaron Jones RB

Aaron and his twin brother, Alvin, were El Paso kids that weren't highly rated, so staying around home made sense. It's worked out well for UTEP, as Alvin has led the team in tackles the past two years while Aaron amassed over 4,000 rushing yards during his career. Aaron led the Miners with 811 yards as a freshman, scoring four times, even though he missed three games due to a broken rib. Healthy throughout 2014, he earned second-team All-Conference USA honors with 1,321 yards (5.5 per) and 11 scores (also 30-293, three TDs receiving). The good luck didn't stay in his junior year, however, as he suffered a torn ligament in his left ankle in practice. Jones exploded in 2016 after that redshirt year, ranking fourth in the FBS with 1,773 rushing yards and scoring 17 times (28-233, three TDs receiving). He was a first-team All-Conference USA pick in his final year.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 12:45:53 PM
Aaron Jones UTEP.  Another RB!  Funny.  Christine Michael, consider yourself on the bubble! 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 12:47:07 PM
Packers have seemed to like the taller RB recently, but Aaron Jones is a smaller guy at 5'9".

I'm still rooting for an even smaller guy, the 5'6.5" 180 lb, 4.41 40, RB Tarik Cohen........'the Human Joystick'. He'd be mostly a return guy. I'd love him in the 7th, but it probably won't happen now.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:47:13 PM
Aaron Jones UTEP.  Another RB!  Funny.  Christine Michael, consider yourself on the bubble! 

GOOD!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Striker on April 29, 2017, 12:48:21 PM
Yancey is a big boy.  Could he be a slot TE project?

He'd have to bulk up quite a bit I think.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:49:41 PM
Aaron Jones

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVn4nqPOkSI
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 12:49:50 PM
...Healthy throughout 2014, he earned second-team All-Conference USA honors with 1,321 yards (5.5 per) and 11 scores (also 30-293, three TDs receiving). ....Jones exploded in 2016 after that redshirt year, ranking fourth in the FBS with 1,773 rushing yards and scoring 17 times (28-233, three TDs receiving). He was a first-team All-Conference USA pick in his final year.

~30 catches per college season might project well for being useful in the passing game?  Or is that actually not very many receptions for a 3-down feature back?  I don't know how to interpret that...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: DWhitehurst on April 29, 2017, 12:52:32 PM
Thrilled with this pick of RB Aaron Jones--one of my favorite deep sleepers!! Just watch him on film and you'll see what I mean. I think this is my favorite 'pick' decision by TT in this draft. This helps to bring competition and versatility to the RB unit.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:54:19 PM
Thrilled with this pick of RB Aaron Jones--one of my favorite deep sleepers!! I think this is my favorite 'pick' decision by TT in this draft. This helps to bring competition and versatility to the RB unit.

Agree. I like what I see. Might not be the fastest guy when up against NFL level speed - but looks real comfortable receiving the ball out of the backfield. Good pick IMO.


Aaron could make him a star :)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 12:58:11 PM
Some more Aaron Jones.
If he can run it - great - but I like what I see of him receiving the ball.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HP2YjidB3wM
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 01:00:33 PM
...Healthy throughout 2014, he earned second-team All-Conference USA honors with 1,321 yards (5.5 per) and 11 scores (also 30-293, three TDs receiving). ....Jones exploded in 2016 after that redshirt year, ranking fourth in the FBS with 1,773 rushing yards and scoring 17 times (28-233, three TDs receiving). He was a first-team All-Conference USA pick in his final year.

~30 catches per college season might project well for being useful in the passing game?  Or is that actually not very many receptions for a 3-down feature back?  I don't know how to interpret that...

Jamaal Williams:  had 27 and 18 receptions his first two seasons.  But last two seasons only 8 and 7 receptions.  7 receptions versus 234 carries, that's really low. Maybe that's just the way the offense worked, or maybe he's just not very capable as a receiver. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 29, 2017, 01:08:06 PM
OT Adam Bisnowaty (PIT)

Nice pass pro skills but lacks tackle feet. A good candidate to move inside to G.


 confused(


Drafted by ????
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 01:12:31 PM
Aaron Jones UTEP.  Another RB!  Funny.  Christine Michael, consider yourself on the bubble!
Michael better get in his playbook.  Hes been from team to team, and he'll have some comp in this training camp.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 01:13:53 PM
Good day for Murphy and Lucas Patrick.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 01:17:36 PM
Aaron Jones UTEP.  Another RB!  Funny.  Christine Michael, consider yourself on the bubble!
Michael better get in his playbook.  Hes been from team to team, and he'll have some comp in this training camp.

Yeah, no kidding.  Very, very rare for TT to cut a 5th rounder.  If Monty, Williams, and Jones stay healthy through camp (not great odds that all three backs do so....), Christine should have a tough time making it.  Injuries open doors, but we kinda already know how bad and dumb Christine is.  If either Williams or Jones is worse or dumber than Michael, then they are pretty poor draft picks. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Redt on April 29, 2017, 01:25:10 PM
Packers have seemed to like the taller RB recently, but Aaron Jones is a smaller guy at 5'9".

I'm still rooting for an even smaller guy, the 5'6.5" 180 lb, 4.41 40, RB Tarik Cohen........'the Human Joystick'. He'd be mostly a return guy. I'd love him in the 7th, but it probably won't happen now.

Went to the Bears at #119
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 01:26:45 PM
Good day for Murphy and Lucas Patrick.

Agreed.  Makes me think the Packers think more highly of them than the fans do.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 01:28:42 PM
Packers have seemed to like the taller RB recently, but Aaron Jones is a smaller guy at 5'9".

I'm still rooting for an even smaller guy, the 5'6.5" 180 lb, 4.41 40, RB Tarik Cohen........'the Human Joystick'. He'd be mostly a return guy. I'd love him in the 7th, but it probably won't happen now.

Went to the Bears at #119


Missed that......darn, have to hate him now.....heh. He went a lot earlier than I thought.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Toddfather on April 29, 2017, 01:32:13 PM
Good day for Murphy and Lucas Patrick.

Agreed.  Makes me think the Packers think more highly of them than the fans do.

I had a feeling when we brought in Evans that OG was taking a back seat if any seat in this draft. I do feel they believe Murphy or Patrick is the future, and Evans is the insurance policy. AKA one year stop gap.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 01:46:23 PM
I think there is still a favourite of mine left on the board. Pittsburgh Linebacker Ejuan Price.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 01:50:15 PM
Good day for Murphy and Lucas Patrick.

Agreed.  Makes me think the Packers think more highly of them than the fans do.

I had a feeling when we brought in Evans that OG was taking a back seat if any seat in this draft. I do feel they believe Murphy or Patrick is the future, and Evans is the insurance policy. AKA one year stop gap.

Yep, and it gives those guys another year to grow.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 01:51:37 PM
How about AUSTIN REHKOW, P

Best Punter in the draft.  Yah I know don't waste a pick but tired of the revolving door at P.  This guy can affect field position.   Also a decent FG kicker.

Be a nice weapon to have.  Maybe burn a 7th on him if he's still there.  48 yard average guess he actually kicked an 87 yd field goal.  We need a leg. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 02:03:47 PM
That's actually a cool idea, scoremore. 

I'm actually not sure what position groups have space for 6th and 7th round guys, in absence of camp injuries.  ILB?  OL?  TE?  Probably still some, and of course there will be injuries. 

But if you actually drafted a punter who was good, that would be an easy guy to keep. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Pack Man on April 29, 2017, 02:05:32 PM
I've noticed Eliot Woff has been getting,
a lot of face time this Draft...Hummm
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 02:06:57 PM
Two o-linemen go off just before Packers pick. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 02:07:37 PM
Yancey is a big boy.  Could he be a slot TE project?

He'd have to bulk up quite a bit I think.

Yes, I got to see some more video of him, I dont think he'd make a good TE.  He does have a Ty Montgomery type body though.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 02:08:23 PM
OT/OG Kofi Amichia (S.Florida)........errr, anyone
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: morango on April 29, 2017, 02:09:29 PM
OT Kofi Amichia........errr

He'll probably play guard. He's on the shorter side (6'4") barely 300 lb but really pretty fast for an o-lineman. Ran a 4.99 officially.

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 02:10:26 PM
Kofi Amichia, OT/G, South Florida, 6'3 1/2", 302 lbs, 4.99 40, 32 bench, tested well at pro day, visited GB.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 02:11:40 PM
I'm bothered by the fact that this was one of the deepest TE drafts in 20 years and Ted didn't take one.  The FA signings were good, but why not pick one to develop?  They typically take 2-3 years to turn into productive players.  Why not have one ready when Bennett is done?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: morango on April 29, 2017, 02:12:13 PM
Kofi Amichia, OT/G, South Florida, 6'3 1/2", 302 lbs, 4.99 40, 32 bench, tested well at pro day, visited GB.

Got to say. He wasn't on my radar at all, but I like the pick. He'll convert to OG
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Raff on April 29, 2017, 02:12:38 PM
Amichia (6-3, 304) started 26 games at left tackle for USF over the last two years. He was a first-team All-AAC selection as a senior in 2016.

At USF’s pro day last month, Amichia ran the 40-yard dash in 4.96 seconds and posted 32 reps on the bench press. He also had a 33.5-inch vertical leap and 9-6 broad jump. The Packers were in attendance for his workout.

Amichia appears to have the requisite size, strength and athleticism to handle a move inside to guard, and his experience as a left tackle fits the mold of how the Packers like to draft-and-develop offensive linemen.

Amichia is ranked as the 20th overall offensive guard prospect by CBS Sports. He is projected to be a seventh-round pick or priority free agent.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: SSGCujo on April 29, 2017, 02:13:14 PM
 They still have 2 picks in round #7.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: morango on April 29, 2017, 02:13:26 PM
I'm bothered by the fact that this was one of the deepest TE drafts in 20 years and Ted didn't take one.  The FA signings were good, but why not pick one to develop?  They typically take 2-3 years to turn into productive players.  Why not have one ready when Bennett is done?

Maybe a couple of good prospects got pushed out of the draft altogether and the packers can bring them in as UDFAs
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 02:14:03 PM
I'll give it another huh? 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: morango on April 29, 2017, 02:15:14 PM
Interesting that first four picks were all defense and the last five picks are all offense.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 29, 2017, 02:15:28 PM
Amichia. 32 bench reps, so he is strong. Sub 5.00 40, so he's pretty athletic as well.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 02:19:25 PM
Finally the OT-to-guard draft.  :):):)  I'd been looking for one of those since round 4 opened. 

Keep taking shots, hopefully eventually one of the o-linemen will work out.  With experience at LT, might also provide a little more bench flexibility while he transitions to guard. 

So, will they be all-in on Barclay as backup center?  Will Amichia, Murphy, or Patrick get developed as backup-center?  Will they need to carry an UDFA/PS guy for emergency center?

Would be cool to go a whole year without the initial starting center getting hurt!  :)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: DWhitehurst on April 29, 2017, 02:21:15 PM
Amichia played alot of Left Tackle for USF, so he may have sufficient pass-blocking skills which the Packers require of their OG's, and given the quicks (4.98/40) and strength (32 reps) he has, might be adequate for zone-blocking.  We'll see if he sticks. At very least he'll help bring competition for RG in training camp.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 02:25:32 PM
Amichia played alot of Left Tackle for USF, so he may have sufficient pass-blocking skills which the Packers require of their OG's, and given the quicks (4.98/40) and strength (32 reps) he has, might be adequate for zone-blocking.  We'll see if he sticks. At very least he'll help bring competition for RG in training camp.

We've not been a pure zone blocking team for about 5-6 years. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: DWhitehurst on April 29, 2017, 02:30:11 PM
Amichia played alot of Left Tackle for USF, so he may have sufficient pass-blocking skills which the Packers require of their OG's, and given the quicks (4.98/40) and strength (32 reps) he has, might be adequate for zone-blocking.  We'll see if he sticks. At very least he'll help bring competition for RG in training camp.

We've not been a pure zone blocking team for about 5-6 years.

Ok, then how would you describe their scheme? Would you describe it as "pure man"? If not, then what?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 29, 2017, 02:34:38 PM
OT/OG Kofi Amichia (S.Florida)........errr, anyone


Sure....


Kofi Amichia G (http://forum.packerchatters.com/index.php?topic=6381.0)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: davekenya on April 29, 2017, 02:41:01 PM
Back to RB Aaron Jones for a second...at the combine among all the RBs who tested, he had:

3rd best broad jump
2nd best vertical jump (tied)
2nd best 3-cone drill
3rd best 20 yard shuttle

if nothing else, I want him with me if a thief snatches something I purchase at the county fair and runs...Aaron can quickly leap streams, climb walls, and dodge around obstacles to run the guy down...(could he be the next RB in Hertz rent-a-car commercials running through airports...oops, not going there)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 02:46:01 PM
Back to RB Aaron Jones for a second...at the combine among all the RBs who tested, he had:

3rd best broad jump
2nd best vertical jump (tied)
2nd best 3-cone drill
3rd best 20 yard shuttle

if nothing else, I want him with me if a thief snatches something I purchase at the county fair and runs...Aaron can quickly leap streams, climb walls, and dodge around obstacles to run the guy down...(could he be the next RB in Hertz rent-a-car commercials running through airports...oops, not going there)

I dont have break the bank hopes for the guy but I did like his receiving skills - very natural - he wasnt fighting the ball at all - and think/hope he can create if found out in space.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Raff on April 29, 2017, 02:46:47 PM
Any ideas about who do the Packers take a flyer on, here in the 7th?


 

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Twain on April 29, 2017, 02:50:24 PM
Back to RB Aaron Jones for a second...at the combine among all the RBs who tested, he had:

3rd best broad jump
2nd best vertical jump (tied)
2nd best 3-cone drill
3rd best 20 yard shuttle

if nothing else, I want him with me if a thief snatches something I purchase at the county fair and runs...Aaron can quickly leap streams, climb walls, and dodge around obstacles to run the guy down...(could he be the next RB in Hertz rent-a-car commercials running through airports...oops, not going there)

I like him as an early down back, but watching him play in the Texas-UTEP game he looks like he needs work in pass protection.

Looks to me like Jamaal Williams does a nice job with pass pro- BYU kept him in the backfield a lot to work the protection scheme.  I suspect he will see the field earlier than Jones because of that experience.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: ThatGuy284 on April 29, 2017, 02:51:13 PM
CBS had a good article spotlighting 128 prospects that might go late/undrafted.  Amichia was one.  After reading through that he was one of the OL that caught my eye and starting digging on.  Like that pick and I like Andrew Eide too - hoping he's a 7th or HPFA option
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Raff on April 29, 2017, 03:05:52 PM
Take 2 more offensive lineman?

Another running back?    Maybe Corey Clement?
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: EXIT_HERE on April 29, 2017, 03:11:37 PM
Devonte Mays RB - Utah St.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Striker on April 29, 2017, 03:11:40 PM
Take 2 more offensive lineman?

Another running back?    Maybe Corey Clement?

Third RB. Devante Mays of Utah State. Sound like he's a bruiser.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Bubba on April 29, 2017, 03:13:26 PM
So apparently "other avenues" means taking 3 RBs on Day 3...

No major complaints about this draft, but really surprised they didn't take a single OL, thus far.  They must really like Jahri Evans...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Striker on April 29, 2017, 03:17:34 PM
So apparently "other avenues" means taking 3 RBs on Day 3...

No major complaints about this draft, but really surprised they didn't take a single OL, thus far.  They must really like Jahri Evans...

Kofi Amichia is a G/T.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: cheech on April 29, 2017, 03:18:14 PM
Amichia played alot of Left Tackle for USF, so he may have sufficient pass-blocking skills which the Packers require of their OG's, and given the quicks (4.98/40) and strength (32 reps) he has, might be adequate for zone-blocking.  We'll see if he sticks. At very least he'll help bring competition for RG in training camp.

We've not been a pure zone blocking team for about 5-6 years.


Ok, then how would you describe their scheme? Would you describe it as "pure man"? If not, then what?

They use straight-up man and traps quite often.  Mix in some inside zone runs.  Also pull guards... They've done everything under the sun. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Bubba on April 29, 2017, 03:20:03 PM
So apparently "other avenues" means taking 3 RBs on Day 3...

No major complaints about this draft, but really surprised they didn't take a single OL, thus far.  They must really like Jahri Evans...

Kofi Amichia is a G/T.

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Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Raff on April 29, 2017, 03:21:46 PM
I hope an offensive lineman is our Mr. Irrelevant.... and turns out to be a Pro Bowler!

 :P
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 03:24:06 PM
Mays caught only one pass in each of his last two years!

Lists 5'11" 230.  Eddy Lacy listed at 5'11" 231. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: ricky on April 29, 2017, 03:27:37 PM
Take 2 more offensive lineman?

Another running back?    Maybe Corey Clement?

Third RB. Devante Mays of Utah State. Sound like he's a bruiser.

5'10", 230. He could be the pounder that would make the others "change of pace backs". The number of RB's chosen certainly is interesting, and unexpected. This could definitely put Michael on the bubble, as someone noted elsewhere. Also, a lot of competition. It seems the only lock for the RB is Montgomery, otherwise wide open. Ripkowski at a FB should be safe also. Especially since he showed an unexpected running ability.

Personally, I like the draft so far. The team seems to be looking to get tougher and faster on defense. Jones in particular could become a player in the mold of Woodson, Collins or Butler, eventually. Expectations too high? We'll see. It's the draft and the off season- time to hope and be optimistic, IMO. We can save the doom and gloom for another day.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: ricky on April 29, 2017, 03:29:18 PM
I hope an offensive lineman is our Mr. Irrelevant.... and turns out to be a Pro Bowler!

 :P

I'd be happy if he was as good as Driver or Flynn at his position. Also, keep in mind there are still the UDFA's that will be signed in the next few days. Usually a couple of them make the team.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Raff on April 29, 2017, 03:30:23 PM
Malachi Dupre -- great pick!

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 03:31:15 PM
Mr. Devante Mays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR1ZGSapcI

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: UWSP 88 on April 29, 2017, 03:32:58 PM
YES!!!  I mocked him as a second day pick in one of my drafts...
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 03:36:35 PM
If nothing else, we could wind up with a Davante and a Devante. How many teams you say that about?  :)
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 03:36:41 PM
Mr. Devante Mays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR1ZGSapcI

Looks like he's used to running from the shotgun.  That's nice not to have to readjust to that.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Donzo on April 29, 2017, 03:37:17 PM
YES!!!  I mocked him as a second day pick in one of my drafts...

Malachi Dupre -- great pick!

Give us the 411...

I'm an SEC guy and don't know him.

Update: OK, I just watched ESPNs breakdown on him, I remember him now... Might have been a 1st round pick two years ago... #1 WR prospect in2013... Damn good pick for late in the 7th round. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 03:38:01 PM
Mr. Devante Mays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR1ZGSapcI

Looks like he's used to running from the shotgun.  That's nice not to have to readjust to that.

You noticed that too :) I agree. No I formations or two back sets necessary for this guy. Just some blocking up front!
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 03:39:33 PM
Mr. Malachi Dupre

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcfmEvKizs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzcfmEvKizs)


Looks okay to me. GOOD. Nice to have a handful of OFFENSIVE players to figure in.

Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: scoremore on April 29, 2017, 03:44:26 PM
Mr. Devante Mays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR1ZGSapcI

he has some shiftiness but what I don't like is the kid goes down to easily on contact.  want a guy who can break tackles.  that tape didn't do anything for me.  looked to me they were just taking pot shots at the end of the draft.  3 rb's and 2 wr's.  don't get that strategy.  think we wasted some picks who will either be outright cut or end up on the ps.  Only room for 2 more RB's.  Not sure who's the odd man out at WR either. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on April 29, 2017, 03:45:37 PM
All picks with info are loaded for rehash here (http://forum.packerchatters.com/index.php?board=28.0).


Fun 3 days of Draft Talk.


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Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 03:50:46 PM
Mr. Devante Mays

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJR1ZGSapcI

he has some shiftiness but what I don't like is the kid goes down to easily on contact.  want a guy who can break tackles.  that tape didn't do anything for me.  looked to me they were just taking pot shots at the end of the draft.  3 rb's and 2 wr's.  don't get that strategy.  think we wasted some picks who will either be outright cut or end up on the ps.  Only room for 2 more RB's.  Not sure who's the odd man out at WR either. 

He's not All World. Dont find that here. But he sure seemed to be to be high pointing the ball and scoring alot of touchdowns. Speed's probably gonna be his first "NFL issue" - followed up with a need to add another 10 pounds or two - but he's young and coachable. I like the pick - even if he winds up on the PS this year.   
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: robertgoulet on April 29, 2017, 03:56:06 PM
Dupree was a five star recruit out of high school. While he hasn't lived up to the billing, much of that can be contributed to absolutely terrible qb play, something he won't have to deal with as a packer
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 04:27:43 PM
Dupree was a five star recruit out of high school. While he hasn't lived up to the billing, much of that can be contributed to absolutely terrible qb play, something he won't have to deal with as a packer

I knew who Dupre was, and thought he's still at LSU?  He was hyped early in his college career.  Anyway, I watch some video of him and saw some Jeff Janis in his running.  Then found out hes a track guy.  AHHHH!!!!   He might have some of those route running issues Janis has.  Hope Im wrong, but he does look smoother than Janis and perhaps that will help.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 04:43:32 PM
Dupree was a five star recruit out of high school. While he hasn't lived up to the billing, much of that can be contributed to absolutely terrible qb play, something he won't have to deal with as a packer

I knew who Dupre was, and thought he's still at LSU?  He was hyped early in his college career.  Anyway, I watch some video of him and saw some Jeff Janis in his running.  Then found out hes a track guy.  AHHHH!!!!   He might have some of those route running issues Janis has.  Hope Im wrong, but he does look smoother than Janis and perhaps that will help.

This is neither here nor there....and has nothing to do with his route running....but the one video I saw of him included a number of receptions where we was tracking the ball and pulling it in over the shoulder with relative ease. Something I may have seen Janis do. Maybe.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
Dupree was a five star recruit out of high school. While he hasn't lived up to the billing, much of that can be contributed to absolutely terrible qb play, something he won't have to deal with as a packer

I knew who Dupre was, and thought he's still at LSU?  He was hyped early in his college career.  Anyway, I watch some video of him and saw some Jeff Janis in his running.  Then found out hes a track guy.  AHHHH!!!!   He might have some of those route running issues Janis has.  Hope Im wrong, but he does look smoother than Janis and perhaps that will help.

This is neither here nor there....and has nothing to do with his route running....but the one video I saw of him included a number of receptions where we was tracking the ball and pulling it in over the shoulder with relative ease. Something I may have seen Janis do. Maybe.

Agree. I bet he has better ball skills and hands than Janis.  He'll get  a chance to prove it shortly. We'll see.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: golfman on April 29, 2017, 04:58:02 PM
Dupree was a five star recruit out of high school. While he hasn't lived up to the billing, much of that can be contributed to absolutely terrible qb play, something he won't have to deal with as a packer

I knew who Dupre was, and thought he's still at LSU?  He was hyped early in his college career.  Anyway, I watch some video of him and saw some Jeff Janis in his running.  Then found out hes a track guy.  AHHHH!!!!   He might have some of those route running issues Janis has.  Hope Im wrong, but he does look smoother than Janis and perhaps that will help.

This is neither here nor there....and has nothing to do with his route running....but the one video I saw of him included a number of receptions where we was tracking the ball and pulling it in over the shoulder with relative ease. Something I may have seen Janis do. Maybe.

Agree. I bet he has better ball skills and hands than Janis.  He'll get  a chance to prove it shortly. We'll see.

He's got something else in common with Janis, extremely small hands. Most guys like that have trouble catching the ball with their hands and tend to use their body a lot more than what would be ideal.

His 4.52 - 40 time does not scream track guy to me either.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: Leader on April 29, 2017, 05:08:26 PM
He's got something else in common with Janis, extremely small hands. Most guys like that have trouble catching the ball with their hands and tend to use their body a lot more than what would be ideal.

His 4.52 - 40 time does not scream track guy to me either.

Thats a good get. He was using his body to make some catches.
Two things: Coaching and gloves (for whatever reason, he wasnt wearing them). They make football magnets now.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 05:19:23 PM
He's got something else in common with Janis, extremely small hands. Most guys like that have trouble catching the ball with their hands and tend to use their body a lot more than what would be ideal.

His 4.52 - 40 time does not scream track guy to me either.

Thats a good get. He was using his body to make some catches.
Two things: Coaching and gloves (for whatever reason, he wasnt wearing them). They make football magnets now.

Agree, hes also competing against a loaded WR corps.  Nelson, Adams,Cobb, Allison, Allen, Janis, Yancey. He'll have his work cut out for him
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: ricky on April 29, 2017, 05:20:57 PM
If nothing else, we could wind up with a Davante and a Devante. How many teams you say that about?  :)

And we could have other teams trying to "Keep up with the Jones'".
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: craig on April 29, 2017, 05:47:03 PM
..Agree, hes also competing against a loaded WR corps.  Nelson, Adams,Cobb, Allison, Allen, Janis, Yancey. He'll have his work cut out for him

I don't see it that way at all, as a loaded/overly-competitive WR crowd for a late draft pick. 

Got the big three, Nelson, Adams, and Cobb.
*After that, you've got 4 late-round/UDFA guys competing for 2-3 spots, in Allison, Yancey, Dupre, and Davis. 
*I think Janis doesn't need to be included in that discussion, I think his days as a WR-prospect are over.  Strictly ST.  If looking more promising as a WR than Janis is impossible for Yancey or Dupre, then they are bad prospects and were bad selections.

Given the competition common in all NFL camps, I wouldn't think that Allison/Davis/Yancey/Dupre is an uncommonly difficult competition pool, and a guy who can't emerge among the top 2-3 of that foursome probably isn't impressing a lot. 

Plus, given the frequency of NFL injury, even if Dupre enters camp as #7, pretty good chance that by end of camp that injury alone would move him up to spot #6. 

Would be cool if Dupre looks pretty good, but everybody stays healthy and Davis, Allison, and Yancey all look so good that Dupre still can't make it. 

He sounds like a very nice practice-squad option. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: The GM on April 29, 2017, 07:09:21 PM
..Agree, hes also competing against a loaded WR corps.  Nelson, Adams,Cobb, Allison, Allen, Janis, Yancey. He'll have his work cut out for him

I don't see it that way at all, as a loaded/overly-competitive WR crowd for a late draft pick. 

Got the big three, Nelson, Adams, and Cobb.
*After that, you've got 4 late-round/UDFA guys competing for 2-3 spots, in Allison, Yancey, Dupre, and Davis. 
*I think Janis doesn't need to be included in that discussion, I think his days as a WR-prospect are over.  Strictly ST.  If looking more promising as a WR than Janis is impossible for Yancey or Dupre, then they are bad prospects and were bad selections.

Given the competition common in all NFL camps, I wouldn't think that Allison/Davis/Yancey/Dupre is an uncommonly difficult competition pool, and a guy who can't emerge among the top 2-3 of that foursome probably isn't impressing a lot. 

Plus, given the frequency of NFL injury, even if Dupre enters camp as #7, pretty good chance that by end of camp that injury alone would move him up to spot #6. 

Would be cool if Dupre looks pretty good, but everybody stays healthy and Davis, Allison, and Yancey all look so good that Dupre still can't make it. 

He sounds like a very nice practice-squad option.
Those are good points Craig, ypu also have to consider all of those guys have training camp(s) under their belts, they know the drills, they know the playbook.   How many snaps do the rookies get?  I see your points, but still dont think it will be easy.
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: RT on July 14, 2017, 01:42:58 PM
I'm bothered by the fact that this was one of the deepest TE drafts in 20 years and Ted didn't take one.  The FA signings were good, but why not pick one to develop?  They typically take 2-3 years to turn into productive players.  Why not have one ready when Bennett is done?
On a rainy old day here in my locale, was re-reading this thread on day 3 of the draft. It is interesting to see who had a little clue and those who had none. Very difficult to be on the same page as the teams are, that is for sure.
But this comment did strike me enough to bring it up. So many drafted players take 2-3 years to become productive players, but so often after a year or two a good percentage of the fan base has turned on them before truely given a chance to reach their full potential. Our memories are short even when dealing with the history of our own players. Using TJ Lang as a player example, he was a player that didn't become a starter until his 3rd season. What is a little funny is by TJ own account, he was in danger of being cut his 2nd year. For TJ, he went on to be a fan favorite in time and a very productive player. The first 2 years I am sure their were plenty of naysayers regarding him also, but today not one of those naysayers can remember themselves being one them. Just a little something to remember the next time discussions involve young developing players. 
Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: LMG on July 14, 2017, 03:16:21 PM
I'm bothered by the fact that this was one of the deepest TE drafts in 20 years and Ted didn't take one.  The FA signings were good, but why not pick one to develop?  They typically take 2-3 years to turn into productive players.  Why not have one ready when Bennett is done?
On a rainy old day here in my locale, was re-reading this thread on day 3 of the draft. It is interesting to see who had a little clue and those who had none. Very difficult to be on the same page as the teams are, that is for sure.

But this comment did strike me enough to bring it up.


So many drafted players take 2-3 years to become productive players, but so often after a year or two a good percentage of the fan base has turned on them before truely given a chance to reach their full potential. Our memories are short even when dealing with the history of our own players.


Using TJ Lang as a player example, he was a player that didn't become a starter until his 3rd season. What is a little funny is by TJ own account, he was in danger of being cut his 2nd year. For TJ, he went on to be a fan favorite in time and a very productive player. The first 2 years I am sure their were plenty of naysayers regarding him also, but today not one of those naysayers can remember themselves being one them.


Just a little something to remember the next time discussions involve young developing players.


I love using 'paragraphs'. So much easier to read with my old eyes.


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Title: Re: Saturday - Day 3 Discussion
Post by: RT on July 14, 2017, 03:30:53 PM
Noted. thumbsup)