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Title: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on November 30, 2017, 06:21:35 PM
The Green Bay Packers have filed paperwork in an attempt to collect a portion of Martellus Bennetts signing bonus after they released him with the designation that he failed to disclose a medical condition.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21622553/green-bay-packers-file-paperwork-attempt-collect-portion-martellus-bennett-signing-bonus-releasing-him
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Pugger on December 01, 2017, 03:40:44 PM
I'm glad they are trying but I don't know if they'll collect a penny, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 05, 2017, 05:43:02 PM
The Packers announce the signing of TE Robert Tonyan to their practice squad. The rookie out of Indiana State originally signed with the Detroit Lions as an undrafted free agent. He will wear No. 80.

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Scott1956 on December 05, 2017, 05:49:15 PM
The medical staff needs to take a lot of heat for this. They did give him a physical, complete with x-rays and MRI's, didn't they? Isn't finding what players are trying to hide their job?
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: RT on December 06, 2017, 08:48:46 AM
I'm glad they are trying but I don't know if they'll collect a penny, unfortunately.

I disagree Pugger, I don't think they would pursue this if they didn't feel they had a good case.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: RT on December 12, 2017, 07:56:06 PM
Huge news today, 49ers Signing WR Max McCaffrey Off Packers’ Practice Squad.

Oh ya, their is also some Rodgers thing.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Hincha on December 13, 2017, 08:15:03 AM
Huge news today, 49ers Signing WR Max McCaffrey Off Packers’ Practice Squad.

Oh ya, their is also some Rodgers thing.

Which Rodgers? There are a couple of them on the Packers   ;D
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: RT on December 13, 2017, 04:47:23 PM
Packers signed WR Colby Pearson from BYU to replace McCaffrey on the practice squad. He was with the Packers in training camp.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 14, 2017, 01:47:32 PM
Ben Fennell:

2017 Cap Dollars for WRs...

1. ATL 27.98mil
2. GB 27.75mil
3. DAL 25.94mil

30. BUF 5.85mil
31. KC 5.27mil
32. CLE 5.24mil

Packers on the hook for 26.5mil in 2018 (Cobb 12.7$, Jordy 12.5$, Davis 680k, Clark 555k)... Gonna get pricey w/ Davante Adams contract too That's already #2 in the NFL for WR spending for 2018 (behind DAL).

Add on (and not to beat a dead horse......) but for a team with so much CAP space allocated to the WR position, its would be best we insure we've a QB who can get it to them. We might be saving money on a cheap Rookie - but if he cant get it to the WRs - thats not a good investment.

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: ricky on December 14, 2017, 03:09:02 PM
Ben Fennell:

2017 Cap Dollars for WRs...

1. ATL 27.98mil
2. GB 27.75mil
3. DAL 25.94mil

30. BUF 5.85mil
31. KC 5.27mil
32. CLE 5.24mil

Packers on the hook for 26.5mil in 2018 (Cobb 12.7$, Jordy 12.5$, Davis 680k, Clark 555k)... Gonna get pricey w/ Davante Adams contract too That's already #2 in the NFL for WR spending for 2018 (behind DAL).

Add on (and not to beat a dead horse......) but for a team with so much CAP space allocated to the WR position, its would be best we insure we've a QB who can get it to them. We might be saving money on a cheap Rookie - but if he cant get it to the WRs - thats not a good investment.

Nelson is due to make $12.55 million. If he's cut the cap hit is $2.3 million. Savings of approximately $10 million. Also, figure the Packers are going to want both Cobb and CMIII to renegotiate so they can re-sign some of their FA's. Besides Adams, the guys who the Packers probably need to re-sign (in order of my own preference), are Linsley, House and Burnett. Other Packers FA's are here: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/green-bay-packers/

So, if Nelson was cut, would that be the end of his time in GB? Hardly. The Packers could simply re-sign him the next day, as they did with AJ Hawk. In the meantime, I'm still pulling for a big name FA DL to give the Packers a boost in their pass rush immediately. Aaron Donald, anyone? I know, call me a dreamer (but please don't deport me).
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 14, 2017, 03:57:27 PM


Nelson is due to make $12.55 million. If he's cut the cap hit is $2.3 million. Savings of approximately $10 million. Also, figure the Packers are going to want both Cobb and CMIII to renegotiate so they can re-sign some of their FA's. Besides Adams, the guys who the Packers probably need to re-sign (in order of my own preference), are Linsley, House and Burnett. Other Packers FA's are here: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/green-bay-packers/

So, if Nelson was cut, would that be the end of his time in GB? Hardly. The Packers could simply re-sign him the next day, as they did with AJ Hawk. In the meantime, I'm still pulling for a big name FA DL to give the Packers a boost in their pass rush immediately. Aaron Donald, anyone? I know, call me a dreamer (but please don't deport me).

The difference between Nelson and Hawk's situation is Nelson would be a very valuable commodity on the open market. They could potentially extend him and turn a lot of 2018 salary into signing bonus to lower his number.

I think Cobb is going to be released. No way we can allow Davante to walk, even if it means we have to tender/franchise him. Matthews is going to be a tougher deal. He's starting to get to the QB again, so an outright release seems out of the question. He's another guy who may balk at taking a paycut. Again, he'd have a ton of people lined up to get him on their roster.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 14, 2017, 04:20:27 PM
Aaron Nagler:
Aaron Rodgers will sign autographs to raise money for the Salvation Army on Monday in the Lambeau Field Atrium.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on December 14, 2017, 04:26:37 PM
I'm still pulling for a big name FA DL to give the Packers a boost in their pass rush immediately. Aaron Donald, anyone? I know, call me a dreamer (but please don't deport me).

I'd say the Packers DL is fine and getting better (Still have Motravius Adams to make a second year jump). It's the OLB pass rush that needs improving, they are the sexy sacks position in the 3-4, plus one starting outside corner. Those two positions improved, is really all the D needs to be good, imo, though a different defensive coordinator might help a lot as well..
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 14, 2017, 04:35:36 PM
I'm still pulling for a big name FA DL to give the Packers a boost in their pass rush immediately. Aaron Donald, anyone? I know, call me a dreamer (but please don't deport me).

I'd say the Packers DL is fine and getting better (Still have Motravius Adams to make a second year jump). It's the OLB pass rush that needs improving, they are the sexy sacks position in the 3-4, plus one starting outside corner. Those two positions improved, is really all the D needs to be good, imo, though a different defensive coordinator might help a lot as well..

I agree with this but in a different order.

1. New DC
2. OLB - pass rushing beast
3. CB
4. OLB - like to hit this position in round 1 and 3 and CB in 2 if possible.

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: ricky on December 14, 2017, 07:32:00 PM
I'd say the Packers DL is fine and getting better (Still have Motravius Adams to make a second year jump). It's the OLB pass rush that needs improving, they are the sexy sacks position in the 3-4, plus one starting outside corner. Those two positions improved, is really all the D needs to be good, imo, though a different defensive coordinator might help a lot as well..

Fair enough. Getting more pressure on the passer via DL or OLB would be absolutely fine with me. Perhaps someone like Peppers, who seems to be an almost ageless wonder. 9.5 sacks this year at 37 (his birthday is in January) is amazing. But I still want a FA, someone with a proven track record, not a guy the team needs a couple of years to develop before he's effective.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Toddfather on December 14, 2017, 07:44:48 PM
I think if any WR is cut this offseason it will be Cobb. I think that allows Monty to fill that role. Nelson is not going to be cut.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 14, 2017, 08:37:31 PM
Zach Kruse:
Jordy Nelson over Brett Hundley's seven starts: 22 catches, 153 yards, 0 TDs.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: ricky on December 15, 2017, 10:02:25 AM
I think if any WR is cut this offseason it will be Cobb. I think that allows Monty to fill that role. Nelson is not going to be cut.

Just wanted to clarify something. I don't want to see Nelson gone. But, given their relative ages, and the amount of versatility Cobb offers, it seems he is more likely to be retained. Cobb will be owed $12.75 million, with a dead cap of $3.25 million. He will be 28 years old next year. Nelson will be 33. Which is  more likely- that TT keeps a younger player who is more versatile, or an older player. Also, by cutting Nelson, the team saves about a million more in cap relief. Also, TT has shown a willingness to let a guy go a year or two too early than keep them around "too long". All this strongly suggests Nelson is odd man out. Though perhaps the Packers could pull a Patriots maneuver, and get him back on the roster by letting it be known he'd retire rather than join another team.

Also, in this discussion, there are Davis, Allison and Clark to consider. Sorry, but I believe Janis' time has come and gone. 
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 15, 2017, 10:07:10 AM
Zach Kruse:
Jordy Nelson over Brett Hundley's seven starts: 22 catches, 153 yards, 0 TDs.

That is relevant if we are expecting Brett Hundley to be our QB next year.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: RT on December 15, 2017, 10:44:48 AM
Who loses their spot on the 53 man roster when they activate Rodgers? It would seem like Callahan would be the odd mad out, but with Rodgers not 100% would they keep a 3rd QB and part with a OL now that that group is mostly healthy?
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 15, 2017, 12:39:47 PM
Zach Kruse:
Jordy Nelson over Brett Hundley's seven starts: 22 catches, 153 yards, 0 TDs.
That is relevant if we are expecting Brett Hundley to be our QB next year.

Dont mean to sound harsh, but I'll be pleased if Brett Hundley never takes another regular season snap for the GBPs.
If the team's playoff chances this year go down the drain and AR gets put back on the shelf again - fine. Couldnt care less.
Next year? He's back to standard backup QB status: "Only break glass in case of emergency".

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 16, 2017, 06:16:29 AM
My "playoff standing based" Week 15 Wish List:

CHI over DET
GBP over CAR
LAR over SEA
TPA over ATL
OAK over DAL
CIN over MN
WASH over AZ
NYJ over NOLA
PITT over NE

If Vegas offered odds this way, it would revert to a dusty ghost town  :)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 16, 2017, 08:47:14 AM
My "playoff standing based" Week 15 Wish List:

CHI over DET

GBP over CAR
LAR over SEA
TPA over ATL
OAK over DAL
CIN over MN
WASH over AZ
NYJ over NOLA
PITT over NE

If Vegas offered odds this way, it would revert to a dusty ghost town  :)

Based on the fact we can't get in without winning out here are the games that matter, above. The rest we can handle business ourselves or not get in. Although, I hate NE so anytime they lose, bonus!

NOTE: if the first three games (that I didn't scratch out) play out as you have on the list. The Packers will control their own destiny over the last two weeks. 

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 16, 2017, 09:47:06 AM
My "playoff standing based" Week 15 Wish List:

CHI over DET

GBP over CAR
LAR over SEA
TPA over ATL
OAK over DAL
CIN over MN
WASH over AZ
NYJ over NOLA
PITT over NE

If Vegas offered odds this way, it would revert to a dusty ghost town  :)

Based on the fact we can't get in without winning out here are the games that matter, above. The rest we can handle business ourselves or not get in. Although, I hate NE so anytime they lose, bonus!

NOTE: if the first three games (that I didn't scratch out) play out as you have on the list. The Packers will control their own destiny over the last two weeks. 

You dont play many Trifectas or Super Trifectas at the race track do ya? More a "Win, Place, Show" kinda guy? :)
I'm going for the gusto! Everybody in the NFC around us LOSES!   
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Pugger on December 16, 2017, 11:29:39 AM
I think if any WR is cut this offseason it will be Cobb. I think that allows Monty to fill that role. Nelson is not going to be cut.

I don't think Cobb or Jordy will be cut.  It is just a gut feeling...
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 16, 2017, 12:38:29 PM
My "playoff standing based" Week 15 Wish List:

CHI over DET

GBP over CAR
LAR over SEA
TPA over ATL
OAK over DAL
CIN over MN
WASH over AZ
NYJ over NOLA
PITT over NE

If Vegas offered odds this way, it would revert to a dusty ghost town  :)

Based on the fact we can't get in without winning out here are the games that matter, above. The rest we can handle business ourselves or not get in. Although, I hate NE so anytime they lose, bonus!

NOTE: if the first three games (that I didn't scratch out) play out as you have on the list. The Packers will control their own destiny over the last two weeks. 

You dont play many Trifectas or Super Trifectas at the race track do ya? More a "Win, Place, Show" kinda guy? :)
I'm going for the gusto! Everybody in the NFC around us LOSES!

I"m good with that but if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 16, 2017, 01:38:36 PM
My "playoff standing based" Week 15 Wish List:

CHI over DET

GBP over CAR
LAR over SEA
TPA over ATL
OAK over DAL
CIN over MN
WASH over AZ
NYJ over NOLA
PITT over NE

If Vegas offered odds this way, it would revert to a dusty ghost town  :)

Based on the fact we can't get in without winning out here are the games that matter, above. The rest we can handle business ourselves or not get in. Although, I hate NE so anytime they lose, bonus!

NOTE: if the first three games (that I didn't scratch out) play out as you have on the list. The Packers will control their own destiny over the last two weeks. 

You dont play many Trifectas or Super Trifectas at the race track do ya? More a "Win, Place, Show" kinda guy? :)
I'm going for the gusto! Everybody in the NFC around us LOSES!

I"m good with that but if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.

I got all that. I want everybody else to lose. Makes it so much easier  :)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: craig on December 17, 2017, 05:24:11 AM
... if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.

Thanks for simplifying the landscape. 
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Pugger on December 17, 2017, 06:07:40 AM
... if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.

Thanks for simplifying the landscape.

If we lose today Detroit is in a better place than we are.  They right now have the better overall, divisional and conference record.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 17, 2017, 06:40:59 AM
... if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.

Thanks for simplifying the landscape.

If we lose today Detroit is in a better place than we are.  They right now have the better overall, divisional and conference record.

If we lose today we aren't mathematically eliminated (although we could be), but we're toast for all practical purposes. I've got a better chance of winning the lottery than the Packers do of getting into the playoffs with another loss. Win out and I like our chances. Lose one, it's over.

If Carolina beats us today, they and New Orleans have locked us out with the head to head tie breaker. Minnesota clinches a spot over us with 10 wins which we can't get too. Altanta could actually seal our fate with a win today as well.

Trust me, Detroit winning is not our concern. The Packers winning is the only chance we have left.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 17, 2017, 06:51:08 AM
... if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.

Thanks for simplifying the landscape.

If we lose today Detroit is in a better place than we are.  They right now have the better overall, divisional and conference record.
If we lose today we aren't mathematically eliminated (although we could be), but we're toast for all practical purposes. I've got a better chance of winning the lottery than the Packers do of getting into the playoffs with another loss. Win out and I like our chances. Lose one, it's over.
How does it go from "If WE lose today WE aren't eliminated (although WE could be....)...." 

To: "If *I* win the lottery?"

You win, you're not gonna share it with all of us?  :)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 17, 2017, 06:53:14 AM
... if Atlanta and Seattle lose and we beat Carolina we control our own destiny. We have head to head tiebreaker with Dallas and Seattle and play Detroit the last game of the year. If we win 2 worst case scenario we go to Detroit tied and winner (if our case) is in. Not sure where Detroit is with those tie breakers.

Thanks for simplifying the landscape.

If we lose today Detroit is in a better place than we are.  They right now have the better overall, divisional and conference record.
If we lose today we aren't mathematically eliminated (although we could be), but we're toast for all practical purposes. I've got a better chance of winning the lottery than the Packers do of getting into the playoffs with another loss. Win out and I like our chances. Lose one, it's over.
How does it go from "If WE lose today WE aren't eliminated (although WE could be....)...." 

To: "If *I* win the lottery?"

You win, you're not gonna share it with all of us?  :)

I explained that part.

I'd have to play to win!
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: RT on December 19, 2017, 01:32:58 PM
The Packers announced that they have released FB Joe Kerridge from the active roster and QB Jerod Evans from the practice squad. Guessing another PS guy is moving up. Was another team trying to poach a player?

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Toddfather on December 19, 2017, 01:43:20 PM
Packers shut down Aaron. He's back to IR.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21818693/green-bay-packers-shut-rodgers-qb-placed-ir (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21818693/green-bay-packers-shut-rodgers-qb-placed-ir)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 19, 2017, 01:45:30 PM
Packers shut down Aaron. He's back to IR.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21818693/green-bay-packers-shut-rodgers-qb-placed-ir (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21818693/green-bay-packers-shut-rodgers-qb-placed-ir)

SMART move. The pessimist in wonders if he didn't do some damage to it in the game on Sunday.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 19, 2017, 01:53:08 PM
Packers shut down Aaron. He's back to IR.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21818693/green-bay-packers-shut-rodgers-qb-placed-ir (http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21818693/green-bay-packers-shut-rodgers-qb-placed-ir)
SMART move. The pessimist in wonders if he didn't do some damage to it in the game on Sunday.

I was thinking the same thing.....but I dont consider myself a pessimist. Its confusing  :)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 19, 2017, 06:18:05 PM
Aaron Nagler:
No Pro Bowlers for the Packers. Not a surprise.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Whiskey Sam on December 19, 2017, 06:53:10 PM
Aaron Nagler:
No Pro Bowlers for the Packers. Not a surprise.

Pretty bad for a team that was favored to win the NFC going into the season.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: SSGCujo on December 19, 2017, 07:49:55 PM
 No one in the Pop Bowl. Half the players don't go anyway. It also supports the fact that the Packers don't have any players that deserve recognition.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 19, 2017, 08:06:37 PM
There's not much Aaron Rodgers -- or any other quarterback -- can do if an opposing pass-rusher takes him to the ground and he lands on his throwing shoulder again.

If he breaks his collarbone again, it's the rub of the green.

But here's what the Green Bay Packers should have learned from the seven games Rodgers missed after he underwent surgery to repair his broken right clavicle after Vikings linebacker Anthony Barr hit him and drove him to the ground on Oct. 15: They need more from the rest of their team, whether it's the inconsistent pass rush or the breakdowns in the secondary or the lack of weapons outside of Davante Adams and, at times, Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson.

Brett Hundley did as well as could be expected for a quarterback taken in the fifth round who had never played meaningful snaps before this season. He won three of his seven starts. With a little more defensive help and another weapon or two, say at tight end (where the Martellus Bennett experiment failed), then perhaps the Packers would have been better positioned for Rodgers' return last week at Carolina.

Whether that requires a roster overhaul, a change at the top of the personnel department or new ideas on the defensive side of the ball, it will be for the organization to decide.

Hundley & Co. gave Rodgers a chance to return, but it would have taken a nearly flawless performance over the final three games just to have a chance at the playoffs. Instead, Rodgers couldn't make his return a heroic one, and the Packers' season is over with two games to play.

As Rodgers sits on injured reserve for the final two games of the season, it will be a reminder of the team's shortcomings -- not at quarterback, but in so many other positions.

Rodgers turned 34 earlier this month. He believes he can play, and play well, at least until 40. But the older he gets, the more help he'll need.

It should be a sign that Ted Thompson, or whoever occupies the general manager's office at Lambeau Field after this season, needs to go "all-in," as Rodgers would say.

It's not that Rodgers can't keep playing at or near an MVP level. The first five games of this season, with his league-leading 13 touchdowns and a pair of game-winning drives, showed for certain that he can. It's that the Packers can't just rely on him to carry them all the time because, if another injury occurs and the team hasn't been upgrade then another precious year will fall by the wayside just as 2017 did.

Rodgers took on a risk to come back last week even though his collarbone wasn't 100 percent cleared. With the possibility of the playoffs gone, the Packers shut him down because, coach Mike McCarthy said, it was "in Aaron Rodgers' best interest."

"He's a special player, stating the obvious," McCarthy said Tuesday after Rodgers was placed on IR. "But he definitely laid it out there for us."

Now, the Packers need to make sure they do the same for Rodgers next year and beyond.

Rob Demovsky
ESPN Staff Writer
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Hincha on December 20, 2017, 06:20:00 AM
Aaron Nagler:
No Pro Bowlers for the Packers. Not a surprise.

Not a surprise... saw a early snub list and it had D. Adams and Martinez on the list. Both of them have played at a very high level this year I would agree... another I have really liked is Clark.

I imagine there may be some alternates added at some point.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Hands on December 20, 2017, 06:48:30 AM
Just a reminder, not that it's really needed....Green Bay is more active in pursuing FA players than TT gets credit. Mario Addison the guy who got half a sack on Rodgers was wanted by Green Bay. He said no, you can add Robison from MN on that list as well. So the key is getting the right FA (who are young enough that would jump at the chance to play with a playoff team) and has some ability. Since Green Bay needs pass rushers...I hope they search high and low and take some chances to get some pressure on the other team's QB.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: pacman5252 on December 20, 2017, 11:10:41 AM
The Packers drafted 2 players who made the  pro bowl. Neither  are on this team (Casey Hayward and Micah Hyde). Both guys were seen as limited here and are 28 and 26.

It is time for change on the defensive side of the ball

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 21, 2017, 05:10:16 AM
Adams - "He’s a must re-sign"

Jordy & Cobb - "It’s mainly a matter of whether Nelson has lost too much speed. You also can’t rule out the Packers moving on from both"

Corey Linsley - "The Packers' other priority re-sign has to be center Corey Linsley"

Morgan Burnett - "The hardest free-agent call is Morgan Burnett. The Packers are in position to move on"

Clay Matthews - "Matthews, 31, obviously isn’t the pass rusher he once was. His $11.4 million pay in ’18 is too high for a guy who’s no longer routinely winning one-on-one pass-rushing battles. The Packers can lower his ’18 pay in the face-saving way described earlier — offer a decent guarantee, add a year or two on the deal and cut his salary. But just as important is where to play him. I’d move him back inside"

Bryan Bulaga - "His torn ACL in early November is a problem. There’s a decent chance he’ll open next season on the physically unable to perform list, which would mean he’d effectively miss the first half of the season.....on the other hand, the Packers don’t have a replacement in waiting"


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/12/20/dougherty-four-big-roster-questions-facing-packers-2018/969981001/ (http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/12/20/dougherty-four-big-roster-questions-facing-packers-2018/969981001/)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 21, 2017, 07:42:25 AM
Adams - "He’s a must re-sign"

Jordy & Cobb - "It’s mainly a matter of whether Nelson has lost too much speed. You also can’t rule out the Packers moving on from both"

Corey Linsley - "The Packers' other priority re-sign has to be center Corey Linsley"

Morgan Burnett - "The hardest free-agent call is Morgan Burnett. The Packers are in position to move on"

Clay Matthews - "Matthews, 31, obviously isn’t the pass rusher he once was. His $11.4 million pay in ’18 is too high for a guy who’s no longer routinely winning one-on-one pass-rushing battles. The Packers can lower his ’18 pay in the face-saving way described earlier — offer a decent guarantee, add a year or two on the deal and cut his salary. But just as important is where to play him. I’d move him back inside"

Bryan Bulaga - "His torn ACL in early November is a problem. There’s a decent chance he’ll open next season on the physically unable to perform list, which would mean he’d effectively miss the first half of the season.....on the other hand, the Packers don’t have a replacement in waiting"


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/12/20/dougherty-four-big-roster-questions-facing-packers-2018/969981001/ (http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/12/20/dougherty-four-big-roster-questions-facing-packers-2018/969981001/)

I don't see how you can argue with any of this. The Packers could move on from Jorday and Cobb but I see only one of them going. Right now, we have a better chance of replacing Cobb as Jordy can play in the slot and boundry. Cobb is just a slot guy. We also have Montgomery who could play the slot and be more like a Sterling Sharpe guy where he just overpowers the DB to get open.

I'd have to see some pretty amazing things out of one of Allison, Clark and/or Davis these last two games to make me think moving on from both is a good idea. Either that or TT has to go and get a WR in free agency. Good luck with that.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 21, 2017, 08:10:22 AM
Adams - "He’s a must re-sign"

Jordy & Cobb - "It’s mainly a matter of whether Nelson has lost too much speed. You also can’t rule out the Packers moving on from both"

Corey Linsley - "The Packers' other priority re-sign has to be center Corey Linsley"

Morgan Burnett - "The hardest free-agent call is Morgan Burnett. The Packers are in position to move on"

Clay Matthews - "Matthews, 31, obviously isn’t the pass rusher he once was. His $11.4 million pay in ’18 is too high for a guy who’s no longer routinely winning one-on-one pass-rushing battles. The Packers can lower his ’18 pay in the face-saving way described earlier — offer a decent guarantee, add a year or two on the deal and cut his salary. But just as important is where to play him. I’d move him back inside"

Bryan Bulaga - "His torn ACL in early November is a problem. There’s a decent chance he’ll open next season on the physically unable to perform list, which would mean he’d effectively miss the first half of the season.....on the other hand, the Packers don’t have a replacement in waiting"


http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/12/20/dougherty-four-big-roster-questions-facing-packers-2018/969981001/ (http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2017/12/20/dougherty-four-big-roster-questions-facing-packers-2018/969981001/)

I don't see how you can argue with any of this. The Packers could move on from Jorday and Cobb but I see only one of them going. Right now, we have a better chance of replacing Cobb as Jordy can play in the slot and boundry. Cobb is just a slot guy. We also have Montgomery who could play the slot and be more like a Sterling Sharpe guy where he just overpowers the DB to get open.

I'd have to see some pretty amazing things out of one of Allison, Clark and/or Davis these last two games to make me think moving on from both is a good idea. Either that or TT has to go and get a WR in free agency. Good luck with that.


I'm not so sure Jordy's the natural selection to hang on to.
Old is old and slow is slow. You dont get any younger or faster by shifting positions. You just get easier to cover.

As for Montgomery - I'm at a crossroads with him. Reviewing....what have we got?

Year one - Flashes of promise at WR. Nothing much more than that. Cut short halfway thru with a season ending injury. Oh well, here's to next year.

Year two - Flashes of promise at RB. Perhaps a bit more than flashes...but nothing with an outright conclusive feel to it and alot of nicks and cuts along the way which eventually shut him down in the last game. Oh well, here's to next year as full time RB. Really? You feel sure about that? 

Year three - Nothing much of anything. Anywhere.

Year four? - Well lets see now.........
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 24, 2017, 09:26:45 AM
Nagler -
Do I think it's time for the Packers to move on from Ted Thompson? Yes.
Do I expect Mark Murphy to make the call to do so? No.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: SSGCujo on December 24, 2017, 12:09:51 PM
 TT has been average in the last seven drafts. Because TT depends so much on the draft to stock the team with players, look at the drafts since 2011, I won't count 2017. Here's the numbers: 2011 - D. Serrod, 1st pick, injured, bust, R. Cobb and L. Guy are the only players in the league. So, 2011 was a bad draft. 2012 - N.Perry and C.Hayward are the only players in the league, bad draft. 2013 - D.Jones, bust, E.Lacy, D. Bakhtiari, J.C. Tretter, and M. Hyde are still in the league. 4 out of 11, are in the league, Bakhtiari is one of the best LT in the league. This would be an average draft, but D. Jones, really downgrades a possible good draft. 2014 - H.H.C.D., D.Adams, R.Rodgers, J.Janis are all with the Packers. K.Thornton, J.Abbderis, and D. Goodson have been bounced around NFL rosters. This draft would be good, because of HHCD and D.Adams. 2015 - D.Randall, Q.Rollins, T.Montgomery, J.Ryan, B.Hundley, and Ripkowski are still on the roster. D.Randall has finally shown flashes as a CB this year. T.Montgomery can't stay healthy and Rollins is looking more like a bust. This draft would right now be below average. 2016 - All seven players are still on the roster, Clark, Martinez and Lowery are starters. Clark and Martinez are looking like very good players. This could be a very good draft. So, looking at all the drafts, and even at Rookie Free agents, there's no way that the Packers can continue to operate the same way they have in the past. Ted tried to dabble some in lower level Free agency this last year, with poor results. Ted has to try Free agency again. The one area he hasn't used is trades. The Eagles have really used this to make their team better. Ted has to alter his way of doing business, or retire. There is no way to just use the draft, the results do not lie.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: craig on December 24, 2017, 12:15:28 PM
I agree with point here.  When you live on D+D, you need to do it well.  Over those last seven drafts, D+D just hasn't been especially good.  Need to D+D better to make it work. 
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: cheech on December 24, 2017, 01:35:27 PM
Ted hasn't been completely awful.  Honestly, he's just been average.  Hasn't had multiple terrible drafts, but be hasn't added enough playmakers for this team to win a championship. 

The reality for 31 teams is that you need 1 or 2 huge drafts to compete.  Look at the saints.  Kamara, Thomas, and their CB all in one draft.  A few years back it was the Seahawks.

New England is the personal exception. 
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 24, 2017, 03:31:32 PM

Nagler  -  Justin McCray has been a real find for the Packers. That kid can play.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 24, 2017, 04:30:38 PM

Nagler  -  Justin McCray has been a real find for the Packers. That kid can play.

His best position might be RG, but he pitched a heck of a shutout last night against a good pass rusher. He may be out RT next year by default. BTW, Lucas Patrick did himself proud at RG as well.

The silver lining to the season would be all the playing time back up offensive linemen got this year. It will pay dividends moving forward.

Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: JQ on December 24, 2017, 05:34:29 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)


Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 24, 2017, 05:46:15 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)

Actually, they've only moved up to 15 or one spot. The tiebreaker is strength of schedule and we had a more difficult one so we draft lower than Washington and Arizona at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 24, 2017, 05:52:30 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)

Actually, they've only moved up to 15 or one spot. The tiebreaker is strength of schedule and we had a more difficult one so we draft lower than Washington and Arizona at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

So who was drafted at 14, 15 & 16 last year?
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: JQ on December 24, 2017, 06:02:37 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)

Actually, they've only moved up to 15 or one spot. The tiebreaker is strength of schedule and we had a more difficult one so we draft lower than Washington and Arizona at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

Hilarious name for the website-Tankathon!  () - : #

Golf, since the Packers and Washington have the same SOS, is the Division record the next tiebreaker?

In any case, I hope the “tank fans” are satisfied moving up a single spot after that Humiliating loss to the skoll-kings. I’ve never heard of Lambeau being taken over by the opposing fans...until last night.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 24, 2017, 06:12:00 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)

Actually, they've only moved up to 15 or one spot. The tiebreaker is strength of schedule and we had a more difficult one so we draft lower than Washington and Arizona at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

Hilarious name for the website-Tankathon!  () - : #

Golf, since the Packers and Washington have the same SOS, is the Division record the next tiebreaker?

In any case, I hope the “tank fans” are satisfied moving up a single spot after that Humiliating loss to the skoll-kings. I’ve never heard of Lambeau being taken over by the opposing fans...until last night.

I am not sure, it may be a coin toss, but after next week the likelyhood of that still being a tie is very slim. They play the Giants so good chance they will pass us by. Although the Lions have nothing to play for, other than Caldwell's job, which may be a deterrent to the players.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on December 24, 2017, 06:15:12 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)

Actually, they've only moved up to 15 or one spot. The tiebreaker is strength of schedule and we had a more difficult one so we draft lower than Washington and Arizona at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

So who was drafted at 14, 15 & 16 last year?

Here! 11 is as high as we could go if everything from here on out went our way. 19 is about as low as we'd go now.

11   Marshon Lattimore   Marshon Lattimore   CB   Ohio State
12   Deshaun Watson   Deshaun Watson   QB   Clemson
13   Haason Reddick   Haason Reddick   LB   Temple
14   Derek Barnett   Derek Barnett   DE   Tennessee
15   Malik Hooker   Malik Hooker   SAF   Ohio State
16   Marlon Humphrey   Marlon Humphrey   CB   Alabama
17   Jonathan Allen   Jonathan Allen   DE   Alabama
18   Adoree' Jackson   Adoree' Jackson   CB   USC
19   O.J. Howard   O.J. Howard   TE   Alabama
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 24, 2017, 06:22:01 PM
Good news for those of you who want the Packers to lose so they get a higher draft position! They’ve moved from 16th to 13th with this weekend’s results  :-\ :

http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league (http://www.espn.com/nfl/standings/_/sort/wins/dir/asc/group/league)

Actually, they've only moved up to 15 or one spot. The tiebreaker is strength of schedule and we had a more difficult one so we draft lower than Washington and Arizona at this point.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

So who was drafted at 14, 15 & 16 last year?

Here! 11 is as high as we could go if everything from here on out went our way. 19 is about as low as we'd go now.

11   Marshon Lattimore   Marshon Lattimore   CB   Ohio State
12   Deshaun Watson   Deshaun Watson   QB   Clemson
13   Haason Reddick   Haason Reddick   LB   Temple
14   Derek Barnett   Derek Barnett   DE   Tennessee
15   Malik Hooker   Malik Hooker   SAF   Ohio State
16   Marlon Humphrey   Marlon Humphrey   CB   Alabama
17   Jonathan Allen   Jonathan Allen   DE   Alabama
18   Adoree' Jackson   Adoree' Jackson   CB   USC
19   O.J. Howard   O.J. Howard   TE   Alabama

Okay well I'm gonna trade Davon House and next years #4 to more up and draft Lattimore @ 11  :)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 27, 2017, 08:12:37 AM
Kruse -
If the Packers do lose WRs coach Luke Getsy to Miss. State, you'd have to think David Raih, who is currently the team's offensive perimeter coach, would be a top candidate to replace him.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: JQ on December 29, 2017, 11:13:30 AM
To fill the void, here’s a couple interesting tidbits from Bleacher Report, about each team adding one good player:


Green Bay Packers

Iowa CB Josh Jackson

If you've followed the Green Bay Packers at all during the Ted Thompson era, then you know that the odds of Thompson adding a big-name free agent from outside the organization are exceedingly slim.

That's not how Thompson does things.

If 2018 is at all like past seasons, the Packers will devote some of their $41.8 million in cap space to retaining their own free agents. Then Thompson will look to improve from the outside at the NFL draft.

Last year, one of the primary focuses for Thompson was improving Green Bay's leaky secondary. And with a ranking outside the top 20 in pass defense again this season, that same secondary could again be in Thompson's sights.

Enter Iowa cornerback Josh Jackson, who won the Jack Tatum Award as the nation's top defensive back in 2017.

Jackson has everything NFL teams look for in cornerbacks. At 6'1", he has both size and long arms. His straight-line speed isn't in question. And Jackson was wildly productive for the Hawkeyes, intercepting eight passes in 2017.

In his most recent big board, Matt Miller has Jackson ranked as the No. 1 cornerback in this year's class.

The Packers would be fortunate to land such a prospect in the middle of Round 1.


AND A PROSPECTIVE FREE AGENT LOSS to Houston:

Packers S Morgan Burnett

If the Houston Texans are going to make any major improvements in 2017, those improvements will have to come via free agency—the Texans' first two draft picks are now the property of the Cleveland Browns as part of the trades that brought Deshaun Watson to Texas and sent Brock Osweiler packing.

However, the Texans are sitting on $53.8 million in cap space—plenty to take a run at some help along the offensive line or in the secondary.

This isn't a great season in the former regard—the cupboard isn't totally bare, but it's hardly a bumper crop. But there's at least one veteran on the back end who should hit the open market.

The Green Bay Packers have long been a team that likes to keep their own free agents over acquiring outsiders. But Ted Thompson has limited resources, wideout Davante Adams will take up a big chunk of them, and the Packers have an in-house replacement for Morgan Burnett waiting in the wings in youngster Josh Jones.

This isn’t to say that Burnett can't play—he's a proven veteran with plenty left in the tank who has shown to be a movable chess piece for the Packers in 2017.

That sort of versatility would come in handy in Houston next year.


If you’re interested, here’s the link to the entire article:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751166-the-best-player-every-nfl-team-could-add-in-2018 (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2751166-the-best-player-every-nfl-team-could-add-in-2018)
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 30, 2017, 07:31:20 AM

Tom Silverstein -
Packers were just below $10 million under the cap this season and could have carried it over to next season. Chances are they used as much as possible this year  on the Adams deal. They were scheduled to be $32 million under the cap in 2018 without that carryover.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 30, 2017, 08:41:10 AM
Ian Rapoport -

Next contract extension up for the Packers: QB Aaron Rodgers. Their big priority for this offseason.

<Wouldnt be suprised if thats done soon as well so that 2017 can figure into the yearly breakout down the line>
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: RT on December 30, 2017, 11:51:25 AM
Ian Rapoport -

Next contract extension up for the Packers: QB Aaron Rodgers. Their big priority for this offseason.

<Wouldnt be suprised if thats done soon as well so that 2017 can figure into the yearly breakout down the line>

This is often brought up, but a Rodgers deal will not happen until after June 1 of 2018. Rodgers, his agent and everyone in the Packers front office knew that the day he signed his last contract. 
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 30, 2017, 02:09:57 PM
Kruse  - 
Disappointing season for Packers OLB Nick Perry ends on IR. He had 7 sacks in 12 games. Also had 4 different injuries and was on the injury report for most of the year. Of his 7 sacks, 3 came in Chicago. Shutout in 7 of 12 games.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: IBleedGreenGold on December 30, 2017, 09:07:19 PM
I heard in a chat room tonight watching the Badgers that McCarthy might announce his resignation after the game tomorrow. I can't believe it but thought I would pass it on. Has anyone else heard anything?
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Pugger on December 31, 2017, 08:19:57 AM
I heard in a chat room tonight watching the Badgers that McCarthy might announce his resignation after the game tomorrow. I can't believe it but thought I would pass it on. Has anyone else heard anything?

The only news I heard was about Capers.  McCarthy has one more year on his contract so perhaps he'll stay thru that and retire when Ted does?
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 31, 2017, 02:33:00 PM

Ryan Wood -

Safety Morgan Burnett said he has not had any contract talks with #Packers. Sounds like he'll hit the open market. Will be interesting to see his value. Considering it's a sub league, it certainly helps that he has versatility to play ILB and safety.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 31, 2017, 02:37:43 PM
Justin McCray -

New Year’s Eve 2016 I went to work as a bellman for Westgate Resorts. This New Year’s Eve I went to work as a starter for the Packers. My God is amazing. Just want to thank everyone who’s shown any kind of support over the years. It helped keep me going
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on December 31, 2017, 04:05:31 PM
Cobb was asked about possibly restructuring his contract for next year. "“I haven’t heard anything from my agents, so no.”
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on January 01, 2018, 08:48:41 AM
Cohen - Packers played six games against teams who made the playoffs this season. They lost all of them: Pittsburgh, Atlanta, New Orleans, Carolina, Minnesota x2

Kruse - Opposing QBs against Packers defense in 2017: 348 of 513 (67.8 percent) for 3,789 yards (7.9 yards/attempt), 30 TDs and 11 INTs. Passer rating of 102.0.

Nagler - If the Raiders get to bring back Gruden, the Lions should bring back Wayne Fontes. It's only right.


Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: JQ on January 02, 2018, 04:55:02 PM
Here’s a few random AND Juicy tidbits I found posted on Acme Packing:

(1/2, 8:00 AM CT) Brian Gutekunst is reportedly going to be under consideration for the Texans’ vacant GM job as well, reports Ian Rapoport. Former Texans GM Rick Smith is taking a leave of absence due to his wife’s cancer diagnosis.

(1/2, 9:15 AM CT) According to former beat writer Bob McGinn, the Packers’ board of directors instructed team president Mark Murphy to remove Ted Thompson as GM.

(1/2, 9:45 AM CT) Bob McGinn reports that some people inside the Packers organization are hoping that Associate Head Coach/Linebackers coach Winston Moss will leave the team voluntarily for another job. McGinn also reports that the Lions have requested permission to interview Moss for their open head coaching job.

(1/2, 12:30 PM CT) Mike McCarthy received a one-year contract extension during the 2017 season, which means that he is now signed through 2019. The news broke on Tuesday afternoon, but the deal was apparently actually finalized several weeks ago.

(1/2, 12:45 PM CT) The Packers are reportedly considering changes on the offensive coaching staff, reports ESPN’s Rob Demovsky. The team needs to replace wide receivers coach Luke Getsy, but the changes could include moving offensive coordinator Edgar Bennett into another role.




Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: mancl on January 03, 2018, 11:35:12 AM
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/03/packers-save-cap-room-davante-adams-corey-linsley-deals/999641001/
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: golfman on January 03, 2018, 11:54:44 AM
http://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/03/packers-save-cap-room-davante-adams-corey-linsley-deals/999641001/

Effectively two year deals. The cap hit will be smaller than the release number for both after 2019. Linsley could be kept at his 2020 price, but Adams it would seem would need to be extended at that point.
Title: Re: Packer News & Notes
Post by: Leader on January 17, 2018, 09:43:43 AM
Rob Demovsky‏ -

Packers promoted Ed Policy to chief operating officer and general counsel. Many view the son of former 49ers president Carmen Policy as the likely successor to Packers president Mark Murphy.