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Title: Josh Rosen
Post by: golfman on December 25, 2017, 03:41:31 PM
Assuming he comes out would you take a chance on this kid? Apparently, he is still not going to be cleared for his bowl game due to a concussion that occurred the last game of the year against USC. That game was almost a month ago already. That has to send a red flag in the air for the kid who is widely considered the best QB.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: The GM on December 25, 2017, 09:10:56 PM
Assuming he comes out would you take a chance on this kid? Apparently, he is still not going to be cleared for his bowl game due to a concussion that occurred the last game of the year against USC. That game was almost a month ago already. That has to send a red flag in the air for the kid who is widely considered the best QB.

I like him, he had all the tools you look for.  2 flags for him though.  His durability, seems to get hurt a lot, lot of nagging minor stuff.  I heard he can be a diva.  Some of that can be expected, but I hear he carries it further than some may like.  Well see what the combine says, but if he comes out and tests well, the Browns should strongly consider him.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: Leader on December 26, 2017, 04:45:24 AM
I've read a good bit on him but only seen him play once - against USC - and both QBs had good games. Supposedly he can make all the throws but I will say he looks awfully slight.

The QB I'd LOVE to have (but know we will never) is the Wyoming kid. I think (eventually) he's gonna light things up in the NFL. I saw that Elway was scouting him from the sidelines last weekend. Makes all the sense in the world. The kids got an Elway-like arm and Denver's DIEING to have a competent QB. Geeeeeezzzzzzz have they screwed that position up. 
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: ricky on December 26, 2017, 10:41:34 AM
Denver has drafted two highly touted college QBs. Apparently, neither one is any good. Plus they have Trevor Siemian, who made a tour of the league after hitting FA, and showed he is not a consistent starter. But, here is an intriguing thought. How about trading for Siemian as a backup? This is a serious thought. The guy has won games, and though obviously not a starter, how about as a clipboard holder?

And, he's not getting paid a lot: http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/denver-broncos/trevor-siemian-16976/ Thoughts?
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: Gregg on December 26, 2017, 04:41:28 PM
I like that idea myself.

But I doubt it will happen because TT is so wedded to his draft picks that he would probably only sacrifice a 6 or 7 for him and he is worth more than that IMO.

I actually hope we would do that AND draft a QB.  This draft is rich in running backs, OL, and QBs.  And we have 12 picks.  We could redo the position behind AR and I would have no qualms about doing it if I was GM.

The way I look at it is that the Vikings did what they did this year with their third string QB.  Which means to me they probably would have been even better with Bradford or Bridgewater.  And I look at the Bears as being much better next year since Mitch T got some valuable experience.

Can we really gamble that AR is going to get through each year without injury?  its too high risk for me.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: The GM on December 26, 2017, 05:44:38 PM
Assuming he comes out would you take a chance on this kid? Apparently, he is still not going to be cleared for his bowl game due to a concussion that occurred the last game of the year against USC. That game was almost a month ago already. That has to send a red flag in the air for the kid who is widely considered the best QB.

Rosen is officially OUT for tonights Cactus Bowl.  Red Flag?  Could he slip like Rodgers?  Do you take him ?
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: Leader on December 26, 2017, 05:46:55 PM
Gee, I'm liking how my "Lets consider a veteran for backup QB theory" is selling.
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Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: The GM on December 26, 2017, 05:51:57 PM
Gee, I'm liking how my "Lets consider a veteran for backup QB theory" is selling.
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Im not opposed to it, I just want somebody who can step in.  Vet, rookie, UDFA, walk-on, or pull someone out of the stands.  We need a decent backup.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: LMG on December 26, 2017, 06:09:19 PM
Assuming he comes out would you take a chance on this kid? Apparently, he is still not going to be cleared for his bowl game due to a concussion that occurred the last game of the year against USC. That game was almost a month ago already. That has to send a red flag in the air for the kid who is widely considered the best QB.

Rosen is officially OUT for tonights Cactus Bowl.  Red Flag?  Could he slip like Rodgers?  Do you take him ?


Rodgers didn't slide because of an injury.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: LMG on December 26, 2017, 06:25:20 PM
Rosen has not even declared for the NFL Draft yet....will make decision after tonights Cactus Bowl game.


With his concussion history he may be wise to sit out another year.


Article (https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/12/23/ucla-josh-rosen-out-cactus-bowl-kansas-state)
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: The GM on December 26, 2017, 07:03:57 PM
Rosen has not even declared for the NFL Draft yet....will make decision after tonights Cactus Bowl game.


With his concussion history he may be wise to sit out another year.


Article (https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/12/23/ucla-josh-rosen-out-cactus-bowl-kansas-state)

Hed be foolish to stay.  He's a top 10 pick.  He stays, gets banged up next year and drops.  He'll have a new offense next year with Chip Kelly.  Too risky.  I think he declares for the draft.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: golfman on December 27, 2017, 07:36:57 AM
If I'm Cleveland I'm taking taking QB with my two - first round picks. Whoever they deem to be the best two players at the position. No question about it. They have 3 second round picks as well but getting the QB position right is priority #1 for these guys.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: Leader on December 27, 2017, 08:21:18 AM
Rosen has not even declared for the NFL Draft yet....will make decision after tonights Cactus Bowl game.


With his concussion history he may be wise to sit out another year.


Article (https://www.si.com/college-football/2017/12/23/ucla-josh-rosen-out-cactus-bowl-kansas-state)

Hed be foolish to stay.  He's a top 10 pick.  He stays, gets banged up next year and drops.  He'll have a new offense next year with Chip Kelly.  Too risky.  I think he declares for the draft.  We'll see.
I think Rosen's playing the "anywhere but Cleveland strong arm". I dont think he'll stay in school for reasons stated - he's top of the list now. It's time to cash in on that rookie contract. I've no clue why he doesnt want to play there - could be any number of really valid reasons - but they've a good football guy at GM now - a BOATLOAD of draft selections and a PILE of cash. Might be a stock on the rise.

He might be trying to dissuade them from drafting him so he can go to New York - which is interesting cause theres an organization with a much better history - but in crumbles at the moment. 
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: The GM on December 27, 2017, 08:26:01 AM
I cant say for sure, but I suspect some gamesmanship with Rosen being held out of the bowl game.  His draft status is pretty high, his concussion was nearly a month ago.  Its the frickin Cactus Bowl.  I cant say with certainty, but I suspect if Rosen was a 5th round prospect, he would have played. Rosen says he wanted to play but I think UCLA had a eye on Rosens draft status with this decision.  JMO.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: golfman on December 27, 2017, 09:34:02 AM
I cant say for sure, but I suspect some gamesmanship with Rosen being held out of the bowl game.  His draft status is pretty high, his concussion was nearly a month ago.  Its the frickin Cactus Bowl.  I cant say with certainty, but I suspect if Rosen was a 5th round prospect, he would have played. Rosen says he wanted to play but I think UCLA had a eye on Rosens draft status with this decision.  JMO.

Not playing is doing more harm to his draft status IMO. It has to put some doubt in the minds of NFL evaluators if the guy is still out a month later from a concussion. Not his first this year either if memory serves me correctly.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: Leader on December 27, 2017, 09:40:16 AM
I cant say for sure, but I suspect some gamesmanship with Rosen being held out of the bowl game.  His draft status is pretty high, his concussion was nearly a month ago.  Its the frickin Cactus Bowl.  I cant say with certainty, but I suspect if Rosen was a 5th round prospect, he would have played. Rosen says he wanted to play but I think UCLA had a eye on Rosens draft status with this decision.  JMO.

Cant say I care a great deal in any case, but hell - I checked UCLAs record and think it was a 5+5 team (and they lost didnt they?) - his draft status (based upon on the field play) is already about as high as it ever will be - whats to gain by playing?
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: LMG on December 27, 2017, 09:55:03 AM
Here is the very first paragraph in that article I put up:


Quote
UCLA star QB Josh Rosen will sit out the Bruins' Cactus Bowl game against Kansas State Tuesday under doctor's orders, multiple sources have told SI Saturday afternoon.



Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: claymaker on January 04, 2018, 10:08:47 PM
I think he's a bust of Ryan Leaf proportions.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: golfman on January 05, 2018, 03:39:18 AM
I think he's a bust of Ryan Leaf proportions.

He's kind of goofy like Leaf was too.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 05, 2018, 03:50:02 AM
Rosen is probably the most advanced QB in the draft.

He CAN read defenses, when so many QBs can't. He has the arm talent. If you draft Rosen, you are hoping his personality evolves as he grows up, because that is what might kill you if you go all in on the guy. That is a considerable risk.........but the reward is high too.
Title: Re: Josh Rosen
Post by: heikks86 on January 07, 2018, 05:07:15 PM
If I'm Cleveland I'm taking taking QB with my two - first round picks. Whoever they deem to be the best two players at the position. No question about it. They have 3 second round picks as well but getting the QB position right is priority #1 for these guys.

Washington did something similar when they took RG3, later in the draft they took Cousins. I remember at the time the analysts said it was a bad move but it worked out after RG3 flamed oit after his injury