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Title: Did I read correctly?
Post by: AZPackfan on December 30, 2017, 08:16:10 AM
Forum and site shutting down next month?
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: ricky on December 30, 2017, 01:44:52 PM
Help me out. Where on the site is this posted? Because this would be the second time a site has shut down that I was deeply involved in. I don't consider the demise of that weasel who created a rival site, tried to lure as many PCers as possible, then went belly up because the site simply became an echo chaamber, rather than a site where robust debate was not only allowed, but encouraged.   
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: stillcrazee on December 30, 2017, 02:38:59 PM
Ricky,

It's on the home page of the site.

http://www.packerchatters.com/home.html

Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: ricky on December 30, 2017, 03:33:12 PM
Ricky,

It's on the home page of the site.

http://www.packerchatters.com/home.html

I never read that until now. I just logged onto the forums and let 'er rip. Well, its LMG's right to do what he thinks is best. But to punish the thousands who visit this site daily, and fine it a source of joy, irritation and inspiration due to the actions of a few players doesn't seem proportional to the perceived insult.. IF that is the reason. Until Larry decides to share his reasoning, we can only speculate. I hope LMG and family are all in good health, and that alternative sites will be offered so the landing for us posters will be a bit softer. I can only say thanks for the huge enjoyment you've affored me for years, and I hope this finds you at peace with your decision.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: LMG on December 30, 2017, 03:38:24 PM
Yes we will be shutting down the PC website which includes our forums early in early January as stated in our announcement on the PC home page. The reasons are mine and mine alone.


With that I am 71 and we have been traveling in our RV since 2012 seeing and enjoying what we haven't already of our beautiful Country.


All the best.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: BrianShetty on December 30, 2017, 04:05:24 PM
 :'( damn sorry to read that. Feel in love with the site ages ago and it is one of the best ways for me who lives in NJ to access information I do not get to have in my local area. Reminds me of bucksketball.com shutting down honestly. Thank you to this great site for everything and the packet fans that made this an enjoyable site for me
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on December 30, 2017, 06:05:37 PM
Perhaps there could be a discussion about all migrating together to a specific different site, to decide where we should all go before this site closes. Normally you wouldn't promote other sites, but in this specific case, perhaps that would be ok ? I'd be happy to start a thread on this myself, unless the mods/owner would rather do that themselves.

Edit. Since i saw elsewhere this site would shut down in a day or two, I'd better start that thread now and let the admins/owner rule as they wish
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: ricky on December 30, 2017, 06:33:23 PM
Here are some possibilities. I reject the J-S out of hand, since I heard its pretty unmoderated, and therefore gets pretty bad. But some of the others- Acme, Jersey Al, for example, look interesting. Check them out, but keep in mind, time is of the essence.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1212177-7-websites-and-forums-every-green-bay-packers-fan-should-visit
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: SET4YRS on December 30, 2017, 06:46:55 PM
 This has been my only site since 2001. Thank you for all the great years and best of luck.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on December 30, 2017, 06:48:40 PM
Here are some possibilities. I reject the J-S out of hand, since I heard its pretty unmoderated, and therefore gets pretty bad. But some of the others- Acme, Jersey Al, for example, look interesting. Check them out, but keep in mind, time is of the essence.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1212177-7-websites-and-forums-every-green-bay-packers-fan-should-visit

I like the jersey Al Cheesehead TV site but it doesn't have a proper forum page, you just comment on the postings of a few select writers.
On The seperate Jersey Al site  (not Cheesehead TV) that is merging with Cheesehead TV, but again, I see no forum

http://www.packerwire.net/index.php (http://www.packerwire.net/index.php) is a proper forum site, it just has very little traffic. That would change big-time if all the posters here migrated there. I used to help moderate that site myself. It might need a new moderator or two if it becomes as busy as this site. Downside is the owner of the site hasn't posted there for years, though she keeps it running.
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/fanposts (https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/fanposts) is another site with a fanpost section. don't know much about that site, the layout is less familiar (to PC fans) than the Packerwire site.


Finally, thanks to the owner and the mods here, for all their work over the years to keep the site up, running, and sorting out problems. This site will be sorely missed.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: ricky on December 30, 2017, 06:58:01 PM
Here are some possibilities. I reject the J-S out of hand, since I heard its pretty unmoderated, and therefore gets pretty bad. But some of the others- Acme, Jersey Al, for example, look interesting. Check them out, but keep in mind, time is of the essence.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1212177-7-websites-and-forums-every-green-bay-packers-fan-should-visit

I like the jersey Al Cheesehead TV site but it doesn't have a proper forum page, you just comment on the postings of a few select writers.
On The seperate Jersey Al site  (not Cheesehead TV) that is merging with Cheesehead TV, but again, I see no forum

Packerwire is a proper forum site, it just has very little traffic. That would change big-time if all the posters here migrated there. I used to help moderate that site myself.

Finally, thanks to the owner and the mods here, for all their work over the years to keep the site up, running, and sorting out problems. This site will be sorely missed.

Couldn't get your link to work, so I'll post this: http://www.packerwire.net  I hope this is the one you meant. It looks promising. Definitely worth strong consideration. Thank you!

Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on December 30, 2017, 07:01:55 PM
They were not links, just highlighted, but good idea, I'll change them into links now.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: Striker on December 30, 2017, 08:36:22 PM
I'm an admin over at badgerstatesports.net .

We do have a forum. It's not anywhere near as active as here, but there are still a couple dozen of us still posting. I know a few who are here used to post there. All are welcome as we certainly want more focused on football talk and not just why TT sucks or not.

Outside of here, there, PackerRats, and Scout.com I don't know of many other places with super active communities.

Reddit, I suppose.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: Pugger on December 31, 2017, 07:52:42 AM
I'm sorry to hear this site is closing down.  I've really enjoyed talking to you all over the years and consider you friends even if we never met.  Thanks Larry!   clap)

I post on other forums besides this one.  One is Footballs Future.  It is a huge site with subforums for all the other teams along with other sports like College FB and baseball.  The Packers' subforum is very active and we have the most members (of course!).  It is very moderated and they don't put up with trolling or talking about other members or fan bases.  Each subforum has moderators who keep us in line.   ;D

https://forums.footballsfuture.com/forum/40-green-bay-packers/

Another good one is Packersnews.net.  It too is very active.  Packerrats is active but the language there is kinda salty.   ;)  If you can get past that the guys there do know their stuff.

http://packersnews.net/phpbb3/viewforum.php?f=1&sid=793dd3911f6a4262c454e964fed97eec

http://packerrats.com/forumdisplay.php?9-Green-Bay-Packers
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on December 31, 2017, 08:21:24 AM
Thanks Pugger. I've added those links to my bookmarks. I've signed on at Packersfuture for now, but I'll troll other sites if this one is not taken over by someone else and ceases to be, to see which seems the most active, insightful and reasonably moderated.

I recommend that all posters at PC use the same username as they do here, at least for a month or two, so we can recognise each other, elsewhere.
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: Pugger on December 31, 2017, 08:29:31 AM
Thanks Pugger. I've added those links to my bookmarks. I've signed on at Packersfuture for now, but I'll troll other sites if this one is not taken over by someone else and ceases to be, to see which seems the most active, insightful and reasonably moderated.

I recommend that all posters at PC use the same username as they do here, at least for a month or two, so we can recognise each other, elsewhere.

I sincerely doubt Footballs Future is going anywhere anytime soon.  With all of the subforums' moderators and Webby - the guy who has run it for years - it is more than reasonably moderated.  I use Pugger on all the sites I visit so you'll find me pretty easily.   :)
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: CWood21 on January 02, 2018, 04:16:37 PM
Hopefully I'm not stepping on anyone's feet here, in particular the owner of this fine website.  Admittedly, I was more of a lurker than a consistent poster.

That being said, I'm one of the Packer forum moderators at Football's Future and would love to have each and everyone of you join an already large Packers' forum.  We're one of the most active team forums, and if not for the off-topic thread the Eagles' forum currently has we'd have nearly a 500 post lead over the next highest team forum.  I can pretty much assure you that the forum is going nowhere as our forum admin (as Pugger affectiontly referred to him as Webby) as he just updated the forum to a new site back in August.  We hope you'll take a look and eventually join us in the Packers.  If you have any questions, feel free to PM me here or there and I'd venture a guess that Pugger would help as well.  She's very helpful at FF.

Go Pack Go!
Title: One week to PC site death.
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 08, 2018, 08:39:37 AM
Hope you all have your alternatives dialled in.

End of an era, (or at least an epoch).

To those who have not transferred to the same site as I have (like dannobannano), best wishes for the future, hope we come across each other again down the road.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Starr2Max on January 08, 2018, 11:06:51 AM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans, just plain fans (like myself) and a few sometimes annoying fans - you can never escape them. What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion. 
Larry, you have provided a provided an exceptionally run refuge where so many of us can escape from our normal lives and find well-informed Packer fans with which we can converse on our favorite topic.  Thank you for the many hours that I know you had to have put in to make this such a wonderful retreat.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: craig on January 08, 2018, 12:37:37 PM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans..... What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion.  ...

Same!  If there's a trick, or after we've been on for a week or more we get access to such powers, that would be nice! 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Leader on January 08, 2018, 02:06:36 PM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans..... What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion.  ...

Same!  If there's a trick, or after we've been on for a week or more we get access to such powers, that would be nice! 

1. Locate the Sort By down arrow (to the number of thread pages) review and set your preference.
2. New messages cause the thread font to embolden. When you access the most recent, the thread font will be normal.
3. You can follow a poster so their comments will appear at the "bell" icon in the upper right. If you were having a conversation with someone you're following you can locate their entries in that thread since you've been off.

Or-

4. You can click Mark Site As Read - which will clear (Pt. 2) all past (or missed) responses and get you starting from scratch with the newest entry.

:)

Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Leader on January 08, 2018, 02:07:41 PM
nm
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Starr2Max on January 08, 2018, 05:35:34 PM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans..... What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion.  ...

Same!  If there's a trick, or after we've been on for a week or more we get access to such powers, that would be nice! 

1. Locate the Sort By down arrow (to the number of thread pages) review and set your preference.
2. New messages cause the thread font to embolden. When you access the most recent, the thread font will be normal.
3. You can follow a poster so their comments will appear at the "bell" icon in the upper right. If you were having a conversation with someone you're following you can locate their entries in that thread since you've been off.

Or-

4. You can click Mark Site As Read - which will clear (Pt. 2) all past (or missed) responses and get you starting from scratch with the newest entry.

:)
Thanks - not anywhere near as user friendly as PC.  I've been spoiled.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Pugger on January 08, 2018, 08:46:32 PM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans, just plain fans (like myself) and a few sometimes annoying fans - you can never escape them. What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion. 
Larry, you have provided a provided an exceptionally run refuge where so many of us can escape from our normal lives and find well-informed Packer fans with which we can converse on our favorite topic.  Thank you for the many hours that I know you had to have put in to make this such a wonderful retreat.

If there are new posts you haven't read over on FF the title of the thread is bolded but if you click on in it won't take you to where you last were.  Not many sites do this.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Gregg on January 09, 2018, 12:26:01 AM
I am getting kind of weepy thinking about the end.

I spent so much time here and most of it was enjoyable.  I will really miss it.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Kepler on January 09, 2018, 04:37:00 AM
This is the only place I've felt comfortable enough to post without having to worry about the dregs of humanity vomiting all over everyone's day. I did make an account at FF but I'll probably just go back to reading about the pack instead of taking part in a forum community. That may change at some point but who knows. Later folks.

Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: SET4YRS on January 09, 2018, 06:44:33 AM
This is the only place I've felt comfortable enough to post without having to worry about the dregs of humanity vomiting all over everyone's day. I did make an account at FF but I'll probably just go back to reading about the pack instead of taking part in a forum community. That may change at some point but who knows. Later folks.

 This may be the end for me also, you couldn't have said things any better. Good luck to you and everyone.

Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: GreenAndGoldLenses on January 09, 2018, 07:18:44 AM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans, just plain fans (like myself) and a few sometimes annoying fans - you can never escape them. What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion. 
Larry, you have provided a provided an exceptionally run refuge where so many of us can escape from our normal lives and find well-informed Packer fans with which we can converse on our favorite topic.  Thank you for the many hours that I know you had to have put in to make this such a wonderful retreat.

If there are new posts you haven't read over on FF the title of the thread is bolded but if you click on in it won't take you to where you last were.  Not many sites do this.
If you click on the dot to the left of the thread, it will take you to the next unread post.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Starr2Max on January 09, 2018, 09:27:55 AM
I'm on FF, as are a number of PC alumni - which is good.  So far, I have found about the same mixture of knowledgeable fans, just plain fans (like myself) and a few sometimes annoying fans - you can never escape them. What I have found most exasperating is that I have not yet figured out which threads have new posts and returning to where the new posts commenced so that I can find a chronology in the discussion. 
Larry, you have provided a provided an exceptionally run refuge where so many of us can escape from our normal lives and find well-informed Packer fans with which we can converse on our favorite topic.  Thank you for the many hours that I know you had to have put in to make this such a wonderful retreat.

If there are new posts you haven't read over on FF the title of the thread is bolded but if you click on in it won't take you to where you last were.  Not many sites do this.
If you click on the dot to the left of the thread, it will take you to the next unread post.
Thanks - so much. thumbsup)
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: marklawrence on January 09, 2018, 09:49:12 AM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: BrianShetty on January 09, 2018, 01:07:28 PM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.

Please let this be true. I do not want this site to be gone  thumbsup)
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: MO.Pack on January 09, 2018, 02:04:13 PM
I'm staying till the lady starts to sing.  Definitely the best packer forum there is. 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Gregg on January 09, 2018, 02:14:44 PM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.


That would be really excellent, I do hope it succeeds so I don't have to cry in my beer.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: scoremore on January 09, 2018, 02:39:20 PM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.

Good ML hope you can get it done.  Would really hate to lose this site.  Have been chatting on here for years.  Went on some other sites to see what's out there but none are as good as PC.  Just hope site stays up. 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: tied2thetracks78 on January 09, 2018, 02:51:01 PM
I joined FF like others have, haven't warmed up to it yet. Nobody really likes change.  This place has a small town feel to it, I will miss that. If it is able to continue great, if not thanks for giving us a place to chat.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Pack Man on January 09, 2018, 02:56:09 PM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.

Good ML hope you can get it done.  Would really hate to lose this site.  Have been chatting on here for years.  Went on some other sites to see what's out there but none are as good as PC.  Just hope site stays up.

I also am hopeful this place is saved!... thumbsup)
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: mtsportsfan on January 09, 2018, 03:11:26 PM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.
oh man, that would be great news! This site has and hopefully still will be the best site out there! Been to some other ones, and they just don't compare. Really hope this gets done!
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: The GM on January 09, 2018, 03:16:27 PM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.

Starr breaks the huddle and asks for quiet.  3rd and goal with 15 seconds left...... 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 10, 2018, 05:44:46 AM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.

THAT ranks right up there with Tony asking me to go fishing :)

Just fits right in with all the GREAT Packer news
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Pack Da Bomb on January 10, 2018, 06:22:40 AM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.
Please, please, please. Let this come to fruition! I’m already signed up for some of these other sites now. But there’s nothing like this forum. I can’t stand the posts that are just smartass comments that bring nothing or the ones that put down  and bully other posters on these other sites. This is a great group of Packer fans collected here. We may not always agree with each other  but we are like family and still respect each other. ( well usually haha as some debates get heated) That’s pretty amazing, especially with the way society, social media is today. An award should be given to everyone that has made the site so amazing. Thanks for all the years! May it never end!
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Tony on January 10, 2018, 10:59:45 AM
Larry and I are working to continue PackerChatters. The last chapter has't yet been written.

THAT ranks right up there with Tony asking me to go fishing :)

Just fits right in with all the GREAT Packer news

Keeping hope alive, one cast at a time!   ;D
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: grimes28 on January 10, 2018, 11:25:34 AM
Hello all. You don’t know me but I know you. Lol
I’ve posted under a few different usernames as I’ve lost my info and had to build a new profile a few times. But mainly I’ve been reading and consistently been following along for many, many years.
Just want to say how sad it would be to loose this site. I feel I know some of you guys as many posts as I’ve read from you. Lol
I hope they find a way to keep it up and running. Heck I’ll start posting more if they do!
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Tony on January 10, 2018, 11:58:26 AM
Hello all. You don’t know me but I know you. Lol
I’ve posted under a few different usernames as I’ve lost my info and had to build a new profile a few times. But mainly I’ve been reading and consistently been following along for many, many years.
Just want to say how sad it would be to loose this site. I feel I know some of you guys as many posts as I’ve read from you. Lol
I hope they find a way to keep it up and running. Heck I’ll start posting more if they do!

Heck yeah, jump on in - the water’s warm!  Always good having new perspectives/voices, and most folks are pretty welcoming.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: grimes28 on January 10, 2018, 12:57:05 PM
I sure would. But you see these hands were made for a hammer. I have a tough time expressing myself very well, amy grammar is poor. I’m self employed and I like to consider myself a smart fella. But every time I join a forum and someone doesn’t agree with me they go right after my grammar. Than I get upset and the fight starts. So I generally just watch from a distance.
This is the only forum I follow though, due to the very insightful members and overall respect in general. It’s really hard to follow the forums where the fans are either complete Packer homers, or just plain argumentative and always right.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: mtsportsfan on January 10, 2018, 05:56:30 PM
I sure would. But you see these hands were made for a hammer. I have a tough time expressing myself very well, amy grammar is poor. I’m self employed and I like to consider myself a smart fella. But every time I join a forum and someone doesn’t agree with me they go right after my grammar. Than I get upset and the fight starts. So I generally just watch from a distance.
This is the only forum I follow though, due to the very insightful members and overall respect in general. It’s really hard to follow the forums where the fans are either complete Packer homers, or just plain argumentative and always right.
welcome, understand about posting, I felt the same way you did. Like people say, it's alot like family here and I haven't seen to many criticisms of grammar and punctuation.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Donzo on January 10, 2018, 06:03:32 PM
I joined FF like others have, haven't warmed up to it yet. Nobody really likes change.  This place has a small town feel to it, I will miss that. If it is able to continue great, if not thanks for giving us a place to chat.


FF is a good board, I've been there part time for years... A lot of knowledgeable football people there, much more so than here.

But, like all message boards, their posts are way down. It probably has about 1/5 of the action it did just a few years ago.

Also, they just went through a board update about a year ago. I actually haven't posted since the update or actually visited the board in a couple months.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: scoremore on January 10, 2018, 06:18:48 PM
I went to FF also.  Way too much volume there.  Yes there are some knowledgeable posters and many not so much.  PC is a much more intimate forum.
This is the place to go for Packer talk.  Reporters are on here.  Players are on here.  Think even members of the Packers organization come on here as well.  Packerchatters is just not another chat site.  Hope LMG turns it over to someone who will keep it going.  Make no sense to kill it.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Tony on January 10, 2018, 08:31:16 PM
I went to FF also.  Way too much volume there.  Yes there are some knowledgeable posters and many not so much.  PC is a much more intimate forum.
This is the place to go for Packer talk.  Reporters are on here.  Players are on here.  Think even members of the Packers organization come on here as well.  Packerchatters is just not another chat site.  Hope LMG turns it over to someone who will keep it going.  Make no sense to kill it.

Seriously?  If so, I can almost pick out who they are, LOL.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Waynorth on January 12, 2018, 06:00:34 AM
  Thanks for all the banter and good thoughts from this group over the years. I've been in from near the start and you people have become my friends.  Thanks for all you have done for us Larry and good luck and good health to you all.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Starr2Max on January 12, 2018, 06:57:06 AM
  Thanks for all the banter and good thoughts from this group over the years. I've been in from near the start and you people have become my friends.  Thanks for all you have done for us Larry and good luck and good health to you all.
+ googleplex
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Toddfather on January 13, 2018, 06:31:34 PM
Just wanted to take a second and say how much I liked posting with all of you for the last couple years. I doubt everyone ends up at the same places, I will be at Footballfutures. So if that's the case I hope you all find a great place to celebrate our Packers. Wish you all the best.

Peace out party people,

Toddfather
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: walker16 on January 13, 2018, 06:45:56 PM
Thank you Larry for such a great site.
Make each day special, and get some miles on the RV.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Donzo on January 14, 2018, 05:47:17 AM
Good luck, all!

The FF forum has a lot of good factual Packer talk. For posters that care about that, that'll be a great board for ya... I checked it during the week and the traffic is up again, which is a good thing, I think.

Adios...  hatsoff)
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Kepler on January 14, 2018, 06:12:25 AM
I feel like Davante Adams. Just short of a thousand posts  hysterical
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: ricky on January 14, 2018, 07:39:10 AM
This forum has been around for over 20 years. During that time, there have been multiple serious issues plaguing the NFL. Strikes, lockouts and other labor strife. The site kept going. There were multiple instances of players committing domestic abuse against women. The site kept going. There were cases where people were murdered by players, or where players were around when people were murdered (Ray Lewis, I'm looking at you). The site kept going. Drug arrests, PED violations, DUI arrests. The site kept going. The NFL was shown to have ignored the issue of concussions, which led to the premature deaths of many players. The site kept going. It seemed that nothing the NFL was too much to be tolerated. But then came the truly unforgivable. What was it that broke the proverbial camel's back?

That, of course, was players daring to take a stand against racism and police involvement in the shooting of unarmed civilians. The disproportionate number of black males in jails. The large disparity of sentence length between blacks and other ethnicity's for the same crime. The large disparity of blacks facing arrest for minor drug offenses. A handful of players decided to protest this situation with a peaceful, symbolic gesture. It started with one player, Colin Kaepernick. When he was told that sitting was disrespectful, a former (Navy Seal? Green Beret?) told him that kneeling during the National Anthem was considered acceptable; that this was a common practice at military funerals by comrades of the fallen. This spread to a handful of players, and then a slightly larger group- never more than a total in the low dozens; then waned to less than ten players league wide. This sparked outrage at those who specified this protest against social ills as disrespect for the country, the military, the flag. The players would deny this, but the idea was out there, and the reaction of "pampered, overpaid ingrates spitting on the country that gave them this chance" became a meme. So, lets look at those charges.

First, pampered. Anyone who has watched an NFL game who thinks the players are "pampered" is not watching the game. It is violent, and players continuing to perform through injuries that would have most of us in the emergency room is just accepted as normal. Overpaid? These guys are doing something that only a few can achieve or withstand on a weekly basis for months at a time. They are literally looking over their shoulders every day, as the team looks for a better, or equal/cheaper replacement. Every year, the team brings in new guys to try to unseat them from their jobs. As far as being ungrateful, they weren't given anything. They didn't inherit millions, or usually grow up in stable conditions. They fought and resisted being sucked down by their circumstances to reach this position. Are they grateful to be there? Of course they are. Do they hate their country? No. they simply want to make it a better, safer environment for everyone.

So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. Coming from someone of a somewhat advanced age (full disclosure, I'm turning 68 in a matter of weeks), this is not something I'm typing hastily, or without considerable forethought. This is the reaction of a political snowflake, who needs to hide in a safe zone from the slings and arrows of different perspectives.

Do I think this will make any difference? No. But this makes me feel better. Adios, and hopefully, Auf wiedersehn.
 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Pugger on January 14, 2018, 09:17:54 AM
It will be disappointing not to be able to come here to talk to you all.  I hope most of you are now on FF so we can continue to talk about our favorite team.  Adieu.   :'(
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Tony on January 14, 2018, 11:16:29 AM
Ricky, I wasn’t aware this was the reason for the shutdown.  If so, it’s a shame.  Best to you all wherever you land and wherever life takes you. 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Hands on January 14, 2018, 11:50:14 AM
This forum has been around for over 20 years. During that time, there have been multiple serious issues plaguing the NFL. Strikes, lockouts and other labor strife. The site kept going. There were multiple instances of players committing domestic abuse against women. The site kept going. There were cases where people were murdered by players, or where players were around when people were murdered (Ray Lewis, I'm looking at you). The site kept going. Drug arrests, PED violations, DUI arrests. The site kept going. The NFL was shown to have ignored the issue of concussions, which led to the premature deaths of many players. The site kept going. It seemed that nothing the NFL was too much to be tolerated. But then came the truly unforgivable. What was it that broke the proverbial camel's back?

That, of course, was players daring to take a stand against racism and police involvement in the shooting of unarmed civilians. The disproportionate number of black males in jails. The large disparity of sentence length between blacks and other ethnicity's for the same crime. The large disparity of blacks facing arrest for minor drug offenses. A handful of players decided to protest this situation with a peaceful, symbolic gesture. It started with one player, Colin Kaepernick. When he was told that sitting was disrespectful, a former (Navy Seal? Green Beret?) told him that kneeling during the National Anthem was considered acceptable; that this was a common practice at military funerals by comrades of the fallen. This spread to a handful of players, and then a slightly larger group- never more than a total in the low dozens; then waned to less than ten players league wide. This sparked outrage at those who specified this protest against social ills as disrespect for the country, the military, the flag. The players would deny this, but the idea was out there, and the reaction of "pampered, overpaid ingrates spitting on the country that gave them this chance" became a meme. So, lets look at those charges.

First, pampered. Anyone who has watched an NFL game who thinks the players are "pampered" is not watching the game. It is violent, and players continuing to perform through injuries that would have most of us in the emergency room is just accepted as normal. Overpaid? These guys are doing something that only a few can achieve or withstand on a weekly basis for months at a time. They are literally looking over their shoulders every day, as the team looks for a better, or equal/cheaper replacement. Every year, the team brings in new guys to try to unseat them from their jobs. As far as being ungrateful, they weren't given anything. They didn't inherit millions, or usually grow up in stable conditions. They fought and resisted being sucked down by their circumstances to reach this position. Are they grateful to be there? Of course they are. Do they hate their country? No. they simply want to make it a better, safer environment for everyone.

So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. Coming from someone of a somewhat advanced age (full disclosure, I'm turning 68 in a matter of weeks), this is not something I'm typing hastily, or without considerable forethought. This is the reaction of a political snowflake, who needs to hide in a safe zone from the slings and arrows of different perspectives.

Do I think this will make any difference? No. But this makes me feel better. Adios, and hopefully, Auf wiedersehn.

ricky, it's just a game and entertainment. When you take it to a different level and use it for something else of a personal issue....there's going to be angst. Right or wrong doesn't make a difference since there's blame for both. I haven't watched full games for many years. I do read the PC post to see what others think, but in the end if I walk away from the NFL...I do so because I have other venues in my life I would rather pursue.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 14, 2018, 02:02:13 PM
This forum has been around for over 20 years. During that time, there have been multiple serious issues plaguing the NFL. Strikes, lockouts and other labor strife. The site kept going. There were multiple instances of players committing domestic abuse against women. The site kept going. There were cases where people were murdered by players, or where players were around when people were murdered (Ray Lewis, I'm looking at you). The site kept going. Drug arrests, PED violations, DUI arrests. The site kept going. The NFL was shown to have ignored the issue of concussions, which led to the premature deaths of many players. The site kept going. It seemed that nothing the NFL was too much to be tolerated. But then came the truly unforgivable. What was it that broke the proverbial camel's back?

That, of course, was players daring to take a stand against racism and police involvement in the shooting of unarmed civilians. The disproportionate number of black males in jails. The large disparity of sentence length between blacks and other ethnicity's for the same crime. The large disparity of blacks facing arrest for minor drug offenses. A handful of players decided to protest this situation with a peaceful, symbolic gesture. It started with one player, Colin Kaepernick. When he was told that sitting was disrespectful, a former (Navy Seal? Green Beret?) told him that kneeling during the National Anthem was considered acceptable; that this was a common practice at military funerals by comrades of the fallen. This spread to a handful of players, and then a slightly larger group- never more than a total in the low dozens; then waned to less than ten players league wide. This sparked outrage at those who specified this protest against social ills as disrespect for the country, the military, the flag. The players would deny this, but the idea was out there, and the reaction of "pampered, overpaid ingrates spitting on the country that gave them this chance" became a meme. So, lets look at those charges.

First, pampered. Anyone who has watched an NFL game who thinks the players are "pampered" is not watching the game. It is violent, and players continuing to perform through injuries that would have most of us in the emergency room is just accepted as normal. Overpaid? These guys are doing something that only a few can achieve or withstand on a weekly basis for months at a time. They are literally looking over their shoulders every day, as the team looks for a better, or equal/cheaper replacement. Every year, the team brings in new guys to try to unseat them from their jobs. As far as being ungrateful, they weren't given anything. They didn't inherit millions, or usually grow up in stable conditions. They fought and resisted being sucked down by their circumstances to reach this position. Are they grateful to be there? Of course they are. Do they hate their country? No. they simply want to make it a better, safer environment for everyone.

So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. Coming from someone of a somewhat advanced age (full disclosure, I'm turning 68 in a matter of weeks), this is not something I'm typing hastily, or without considerable forethought. This is the reaction of a political snowflake, who needs to hide in a safe zone from the slings and arrows of different perspectives.

Do I think this will make any difference? No. But this makes me feel better. Adios, and hopefully, Auf wiedersehn.

Well put you young whipper snapper

Farewell to a great place to share Packer thoughts with Packer people
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Shinesman on January 14, 2018, 03:20:05 PM
This forum has been around for over 20 years. During that time, there have been multiple serious issues plaguing the NFL. Strikes, lockouts and other labor strife. The site kept going. There were multiple instances of players committing domestic abuse against women. The site kept going. There were cases where people were murdered by players, or where players were around when people were murdered (Ray Lewis, I'm looking at you). The site kept going. Drug arrests, PED violations, DUI arrests. The site kept going. The NFL was shown to have ignored the issue of concussions, which led to the premature deaths of many players. The site kept going. It seemed that nothing the NFL was too much to be tolerated. But then came the truly unforgivable. What was it that broke the proverbial camel's back?

That, of course, was players daring to take a stand against racism and police involvement in the shooting of unarmed civilians. The disproportionate number of black males in jails. The large disparity of sentence length between blacks and other ethnicity's for the same crime. The large disparity of blacks facing arrest for minor drug offenses. A handful of players decided to protest this situation with a peaceful, symbolic gesture. It started with one player, Colin Kaepernick. When he was told that sitting was disrespectful, a former (Navy Seal? Green Beret?) told him that kneeling during the National Anthem was considered acceptable; that this was a common practice at military funerals by comrades of the fallen. This spread to a handful of players, and then a slightly larger group- never more than a total in the low dozens; then waned to less than ten players league wide. This sparked outrage at those who specified this protest against social ills as disrespect for the country, the military, the flag. The players would deny this, but the idea was out there, and the reaction of "pampered, overpaid ingrates spitting on the country that gave them this chance" became a meme. So, lets look at those charges.

First, pampered. Anyone who has watched an NFL game who thinks the players are "pampered" is not watching the game. It is violent, and players continuing to perform through injuries that would have most of us in the emergency room is just accepted as normal. Overpaid? These guys are doing something that only a few can achieve or withstand on a weekly basis for months at a time. They are literally looking over their shoulders every day, as the team looks for a better, or equal/cheaper replacement. Every year, the team brings in new guys to try to unseat them from their jobs. As far as being ungrateful, they weren't given anything. They didn't inherit millions, or usually grow up in stable conditions. They fought and resisted being sucked down by their circumstances to reach this position. Are they grateful to be there? Of course they are. Do they hate their country? No. they simply want to make it a better, safer environment for everyone.

So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. Coming from someone of a somewhat advanced age (full disclosure, I'm turning 68 in a matter of weeks), this is not something I'm typing hastily, or without considerable forethought. This is the reaction of a political snowflake, who needs to hide in a safe zone from the slings and arrows of different perspectives.

Do I think this will make any difference? No. But this makes me feel better. Adios, and hopefully, Auf wiedersehn.

Did you just condone the anthem bs?
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: BIG LEGEND on January 14, 2018, 03:35:29 PM
This forum has been around for over 20 years. During that time, there have been multiple serious issues plaguing the NFL. Strikes, lockouts and other labor strife. The site kept going. There were multiple instances of players committing domestic abuse against women. The site kept going. There were cases where people were murdered by players, or where players were around when people were murdered (Ray Lewis, I'm looking at you). The site kept going. Drug arrests, PED violations, DUI arrests. The site kept going. The NFL was shown to have ignored the issue of concussions, which led to the premature deaths of many players. The site kept going. It seemed that nothing the NFL was too much to be tolerated. But then came the truly unforgivable. What was it that broke the proverbial camel's back?

That, of course, was players daring to take a stand against racism and police involvement in the shooting of unarmed civilians. The disproportionate number of black males in jails. The large disparity of sentence length between blacks and other ethnicity's for the same crime. The large disparity of blacks facing arrest for minor drug offenses. A handful of players decided to protest this situation with a peaceful, symbolic gesture. It started with one player, Colin Kaepernick. When he was told that sitting was disrespectful, a former (Navy Seal? Green Beret?) told him that kneeling during the National Anthem was considered acceptable; that this was a common practice at military funerals by comrades of the fallen. This spread to a handful of players, and then a slightly larger group- never more than a total in the low dozens; then waned to less than ten players league wide. This sparked outrage at those who specified this protest against social ills as disrespect for the country, the military, the flag. The players would deny this, but the idea was out there, and the reaction of "pampered, overpaid ingrates spitting on the country that gave them this chance" became a meme. So, lets look at those charges.

First, pampered. Anyone who has watched an NFL game who thinks the players are "pampered" is not watching the game. It is violent, and players continuing to perform through injuries that would have most of us in the emergency room is just accepted as normal. Overpaid? These guys are doing something that only a few can achieve or withstand on a weekly basis for months at a time. They are literally looking over their shoulders every day, as the team looks for a better, or equal/cheaper replacement. Every year, the team brings in new guys to try to unseat them from their jobs. As far as being ungrateful, they weren't given anything. They didn't inherit millions, or usually grow up in stable conditions. They fought and resisted being sucked down by their circumstances to reach this position. Are they grateful to be there? Of course they are. Do they hate their country? No. they simply want to make it a better, safer environment for everyone.

So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. Coming from someone of a somewhat advanced age (full disclosure, I'm turning 68 in a matter of weeks), this is not something I'm typing hastily, or without considerable forethought. This is the reaction of a political snowflake, who needs to hide in a safe zone from the slings and arrows of different perspectives.

Do I think this will make any difference? No. But this makes me feel better. Adios, and hopefully, Auf wiedersehn.


 To protest is fine, but there is a time and a place. The reasons behind these protests may be legitimate, but the time and place was not and is not. Kneeling during the anthem to honor your military brothers or sisters if that's the case is a hell of a lot different than what we are talking about here. I had a military veteran tell me this,
" Do you know a reason when you should kneel, sit or do anything but stand during the National Anthem, unless you physically can't stand, there is none and it doesn't matter your reason. In order to pay respect to the flag and to honor your country, you stand during the playing of the Anthem and the failure to do so is the opposite of honoring which is dishonoring. Using our flag and our anthem to draw attention to your protesting cause is shameful and does indeed show disrespect".

" However, the right to protest and kneel during the anthem is also a legitimate right, but that doesn't make it the correct thing to do.

I agree with this 100%

Ricky,

You and I have butted heads a few times as I was often very critical of the Packers for one reason or another, but in this great country we can do that. I wish you and yours nothing but the best, and maybe we will butt heads again if you are going to futures - I'll be Big L
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: craig on January 14, 2018, 04:17:49 PM
...So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. ....

So you've got personal inside info that the owner is closing the site because some players didn't respect the flag?  Wow, very unexpected reason, if true. 
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Ron836 on January 14, 2018, 04:47:23 PM
...So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. ....

So you've got personal inside info that the owner is closing the site because some players didn't respect the flag?  Wow, very unexpected reason, if true.

That information was posted on the front page of PC.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Bignutz on January 14, 2018, 05:58:25 PM
...So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. ....

So you've got personal inside info that the owner is closing the site because some players didn't respect the flag?  Wow, very unexpected reason, if true.

That information was posted on the front page of PC.

No, I don't think that is true and I don't think that is why the site is closing.
Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Minny Packer Fan on January 14, 2018, 06:01:58 PM
Just like to take a few moments and say thank you to Larry and Mark for this site.  I've been here for about 15 years and have really enjoyed being able to read the Chatter from other Packer Fans.  When I first came to this site Patty was a frequent writer and I really enjoyed the exchange of ideas and thoughts with her.  I might not post much, but I pretty much checked into this site every day to see what was happening. 

To Larry....I hope you have many great adventures in your RV in your winter home.  And Mark...your economic insights were a joy to read. 

I've moved over to FF and I hope to see many of you over there.

Title: Re: One week to PC site death.
Post by: Toddfather on January 14, 2018, 08:35:11 PM
This forum has been around for over 20 years. During that time, there have been multiple serious issues plaguing the NFL. Strikes, lockouts and other labor strife. The site kept going. There were multiple instances of players committing domestic abuse against women. The site kept going. There were cases where people were murdered by players, or where players were around when people were murdered (Ray Lewis, I'm looking at you). The site kept going. Drug arrests, PED violations, DUI arrests. The site kept going. The NFL was shown to have ignored the issue of concussions, which led to the premature deaths of many players. The site kept going. It seemed that nothing the NFL was too much to be tolerated. But then came the truly unforgivable. What was it that broke the proverbial camel's back?

That, of course, was players daring to take a stand against racism and police involvement in the shooting of unarmed civilians. The disproportionate number of black males in jails. The large disparity of sentence length between blacks and other ethnicity's for the same crime. The large disparity of blacks facing arrest for minor drug offenses. A handful of players decided to protest this situation with a peaceful, symbolic gesture. It started with one player, Colin Kaepernick. When he was told that sitting was disrespectful, a former (Navy Seal? Green Beret?) told him that kneeling during the National Anthem was considered acceptable; that this was a common practice at military funerals by comrades of the fallen. This spread to a handful of players, and then a slightly larger group- never more than a total in the low dozens; then waned to less than ten players league wide. This sparked outrage at those who specified this protest against social ills as disrespect for the country, the military, the flag. The players would deny this, but the idea was out there, and the reaction of "pampered, overpaid ingrates spitting on the country that gave them this chance" became a meme. So, lets look at those charges.

First, pampered. Anyone who has watched an NFL game who thinks the players are "pampered" is not watching the game. It is violent, and players continuing to perform through injuries that would have most of us in the emergency room is just accepted as normal. Overpaid? These guys are doing something that only a few can achieve or withstand on a weekly basis for months at a time. They are literally looking over their shoulders every day, as the team looks for a better, or equal/cheaper replacement. Every year, the team brings in new guys to try to unseat them from their jobs. As far as being ungrateful, they weren't given anything. They didn't inherit millions, or usually grow up in stable conditions. They fought and resisted being sucked down by their circumstances to reach this position. Are they grateful to be there? Of course they are. Do they hate their country? No. they simply want to make it a better, safer environment for everyone.

So, because of the actions of a few, which became the reaction of most players when the president called them "SOB's", this site will be shut down. This is an action that is within the purview of the site owner. But to punish thousands who overwhelmingly condemned the protests to somehow "show the NFL they can't push us around" is, to me, a childish act of petulance. Coming from someone of a somewhat advanced age (full disclosure, I'm turning 68 in a matter of weeks), this is not something I'm typing hastily, or without considerable forethought. This is the reaction of a political snowflake, who needs to hide in a safe zone from the slings and arrows of different perspectives.

Do I think this will make any difference? No. But this makes me feel better. Adios, and hopefully, Auf wiedersehn.

Cheers! At least he feels better now. That's all that matters!
Title: Re: Did I read correctly?
Post by: LMG on January 15, 2018, 10:39:01 AM
Standby...Mark is very close to being able to continue the PC Forums.