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Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on December 31, 2017, 04:51:48 PM
Packers will at some point flip a coin with the Redskins who laid an egg today against the hapless Giants. The coin toss will determine who drafts 14th and who drafts 15th. The loser of the flip will draft ahead of the winner in round 2 and so on.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Redcat on December 31, 2017, 05:03:54 PM
Arizona won so GB will have either the 13th or 14th pick.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on December 31, 2017, 05:13:21 PM
Arizona won so GB will have either the 13th or 14th pick.

Yes, that seems right
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: RT on December 31, 2017, 05:18:32 PM
What is funny is if the would have won today they would have the 15th pick instead.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: ricky on December 31, 2017, 05:25:06 PM
According to this site, the Packers are #14: http://www.tankathon.com/nfl (http://www.tankathon.com/nfl)
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: RT on December 31, 2017, 05:25:40 PM
Packers will at some point flip a coin with the Redskins who laid an egg today against the hapless Giants. The coin toss will determine who drafts 14th and who drafts 15th. The loser of the flip will draft ahead of the winner in round 2 and so on.

The Packers have the 14th pick, their is no coin toss to be made here.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on December 31, 2017, 06:22:23 PM
According to this site, the Packers are #14: http://www.tankathon.com/nfl (http://www.tankathon.com/nfl)

Ricky,

Correct, but tied with Washington record wise as well as SOS. It will be a coin toss and yes, I had it wrong about the slotting. It would be 13 or 14.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Minny Packer Fan on December 31, 2017, 06:29:33 PM
No coin toss.  We're the 14th pick.  Because Washington and Green Bay had identical SOS percentages, AND are in the same conference they then go to their records against common opponents within the conference.  Washington's record was worse than ours so they have the 13th pick and we get the 14th.

We still go up to the 13th pick in the second round and 12th pick in the third round.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: RT on January 01, 2018, 06:07:17 AM
That is correct, no coin toss. After SOS the next tiebreaker is common opponents.

 Their common NFC opponents are Seattle, Dallas, New Orleans and Minnesota. Washington beat Seattle, lost to Dallas twice, lost to New Orleans and lost to Minnesota for a 1-4 record. The Packers beat Seattle and Dallas and lost to New Orleans and Minnesota twice for a 2-3 record.

Thus, Washington gets the higher pick because it had the worse record.

So, Washington will pick 13th, Green Bay will pick 14th and Arizona (which beat Seattle to finish 8-8) will pick 15th.

NO COIN TOSS.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Pugger on January 01, 2018, 06:23:09 AM
Well, in any event this will be the highest pick we've had since 2007 (with the 16th pick).  Another plus here is we will be picking higher in subsequent rounds this year than we have in a while too.
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 01, 2018, 01:58:14 PM
Packers took Raji at #9 in 2009
Title: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 01, 2018, 02:53:37 PM
Maybe people want to start throwing out names. My dream pick is Bradley Chubb, DE (almost certainly gone). I also hope we go 4-3 but I've already stated that.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 01, 2018, 03:39:22 PM
Packers took Raji at #9 in 2009

Speaking of BJ, I thought he was just going to take a year off and come back. I guess retirement was better than he thought it might be.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Gregg on January 01, 2018, 04:51:26 PM
I doubt very much the 14th pick well get us Chubb.

Some analysts have him as the best player in the draft.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 01, 2018, 07:26:25 PM
I doubt very much the 14th pick well get us Chubb.

Some analysts have him as the best player in the draft.

I completely agree with you Gregg, but that is why I said, "almost certainly gone!" I would think if he were sitting there when we picked, it wouldn't take long to get that card in.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 02, 2018, 05:44:01 AM
I like the kid from BC, and the OLB from Clemson. The issue at hand will be whoever runs the defense will be looking at specific player types. The new GM and coaching staff will have to get on the same page.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 02, 2018, 06:12:56 AM
You mean Landry and Ferrell, it's easier when you put names to them.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OnaBadger58 on January 02, 2018, 06:34:00 AM
Some names to throw out there.

R. Smith ILB Georgia
C. Ferrell OLB Clemson
H. Landry OLB Boston College
C. Sutton WR SMU
C. Ridley WR Alabama
Q. Nelson G Notre Dame
J. Jackson CB Iowa
D. Ward CB Ohio State



Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: cheech on January 02, 2018, 07:46:00 AM
Some names to throw out there.

R. Smith ILB Georgia
C. Ferrell OLB Clemson
H. Landry OLB Boston College
C. Sutton WR SMU
C. Ridley WR Alabama
Q. Nelson G Notre Dame
J. Jackson CB Iowa
D. Ward CB Ohio State

I like this  list.  I'd add the tackles from Notre dame and Texas. 
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 02, 2018, 08:50:23 AM
I like this  list.  I'd add the tackles from Notre dame and Texas.

Mike McGlinchey and Connor Williams.

At 6'8", McGlinchey is too tall, so is Miller and Orlando Brown (imo). At that height you are either too heavy (Brown) or lacking the big bubble that scouts look for (Miller, McGlinchey).

Give me those 6'5" or 6'6", 310 to 320 lb guys. I have often seen draftniks and teams get overexcited by huge (in height and weight) players - they have too high a high failure rate for me. Don't be like the Lions who took Stockar McDougle in year 2000 when the Packers got Chad Clifton 24 picks later. They got hugely oversized OT Aaron Gibson a year earlier (1999), again with their first round pick. He tanked as well. Go back to 1997 and there was OT Juan Roque (pick 35) - 6'8" and yet another bust - Lions really did love their huge O linemen in those days........and it killed them.

Once you get over 320 lb knees, and ankles can wear out quickly and the weight causes other health problems. Huge height makes you a busride to get around, but it also means your reactions are slower.
Huge guys like Chester McGlockton (DT at Oakland, KC, Denver), a 350+ lb guy, died aged 42 of heart problems.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Lodestar on January 02, 2018, 09:47:49 AM
I am really new to this year's draft class, but so far I have my eye on Calvin Ridley, Joshua Jackson, or one of the pass rushers (Ferrell, Landry... probably not Key or Chubb). We could be in luck if 3-4 QBs (Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield, Allen) go ahead of our pick.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Kepler on January 02, 2018, 10:30:21 AM
I am really new to this year's draft class, but so far I have my eye on Calvin Ridley, Joshua Jackson, or one of the pass rushers (Ferrell, Landry... probably not Key or Chubb). We could be in luck if 3-4 QBs (Rosen, Darnold, Jackson, Mayfield, Allen) go ahead of our pick.

Man I really hope that happens. Two or three will go before GB picks, but four would really push down some talent. Too bad it's considered a relatively low talent pool this year.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 02, 2018, 10:38:05 AM
I like this  list.  I'd add the tackles from Notre dame and Texas.

Mike McGlinchey and Connor Williams.

At 6'8", McGlinchey is too tall, so is Miller and Orlando Brown (imo). At that height you are either too heavy (Brown) or lacking the big bubble that scouts look for (Miller, McGlinchey).


So I take it you were not a fan of Johnathan Ogden then? Maybe one of the top 2-3 tackles of all-time.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 02, 2018, 10:49:23 AM
As I understand it, this years draft is short of premium talent in the first few picks. After RB Saquon Barkley, S Minkah Fitzpatrick and DE Bradley Chubb, who else is there that is obviously top five ?

I know there will be QBs in there, but they are always overvalued, because that position makes a bigger difference to a team than any other. I haven't yet found a QB I could really get behind. My past record on them is fairly good, I really liked Wilson and Garoppolo before they were drafted. Laughed when Tebow, Maziel, Gabbert and Ponder were taken. I seem to have missed on Paxton Lynch, I thought he'd be good, but I'll give him  one more season.

Edge rushers look good, WRs look fairly deep, CB lacks elite players but is also deep. TE is not like the stellar 2017 draft, but it isn't bad either. There are four positions where the Packers could use a pick in the first three rounds (3 rounds plus a comp 3rd).

Picking at #14 is never going to get the Packers elite talent (unless they luck out), but it will be enough to get a very, very good player, there will be stronger options there for them, than if they were drafting late 20's or later still. It's still all a gamble, but it's one based on prior production, potential and scouting analysis. I'm still shooting for OLB, WR as the first two picks, then CB and TE in any order.

Ogden was a great tackle golf, special player, but at that size I don't like the odds.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: pacman5252 on January 02, 2018, 10:56:20 AM
I'm all about Arden Key. If it wasn't for an ankle injury, he'd be a top 3 pick. As a sophmore when healthy was a complete beast and was arguably better than Myles Garret. Say it out loud (6'6'', 260-270, 4.7). Get him in a good locker room and with a year of technique coaching and watch out. He just looks different than most players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxxzMh8ASB4

Landry/Chubb would be nice too, but I'm a sucker for upside
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 02, 2018, 12:03:33 PM
I think it will be the top OLB or top CB on the board at #14, unless they have both of them ranked lower.

If that’s the case they may try and trade down with a QB starved team and grab an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick.

This might be a year the go for quantity of picks to try and improve the talent depth on this team.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OnaBadger58 on January 02, 2018, 12:29:02 PM
I'm all about Arden Key. If it wasn't for an ankle injury, he'd be a top 3 pick. As a sophmore when healthy was a complete beast and was arguably better than Myles Garret. Say it out loud (6'6'', 260-270, 4.7). Get him in a good locker room and with a year of technique coaching and watch out. He just looks different than most players.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxxzMh8ASB4

Landry/Chubb would be nice too, but I'm a sucker for upside

I'm on the fence with Key. There is no doubt he has incredible talent, but I get a Barkevious Mingo feel when I see him.  He played last year at 235-240, and this year he jumped to 270. It was said that his conditioning was questioned this year. A couple of flags that may cause him to drop a few spots.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 02, 2018, 12:52:49 PM
Whoever the new DC will be, I’m sure he will have input on the choice, especially after he gets a chance to evaluate the talent he inherits.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Lodestar on January 02, 2018, 01:01:16 PM
I think it will be the top OLB or top CB on the board at #14, unless they have both of them ranked lower.

If that’s the case they may try and trade down with a QB starved team and grab an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick.

This might be a year the go for quantity of picks to try and improve the talent depth on this team.

Don't forget we already have a bevvy of picks. I believe it's likely to break down as: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Kepler on January 02, 2018, 02:06:16 PM
I think they've spent way too much draft capital on the defensive side recently. I'd like to see a receiver taken first.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OnaBadger58 on January 02, 2018, 02:11:51 PM
I think they've spent way too much draft capital on the defensive side recently. I'd like to see a receiver taken first.
I'm starting to feel that way too. It's tough because OLB and CB are pretty big weaknesses and are really important for a successful defense, but at some point you cannot ignore the offensive side of the ball in the first 4 rounds. Rodgers needs a new playmaker around him.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: RT on January 02, 2018, 02:19:48 PM
They could get the top long snapper in the draft with the 14th pick and have that position taken care of for the next 10-12 years. :)
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 02, 2018, 02:22:22 PM
Might be a good year to go and get a few quality free agents as well. A WR and CB to start. I don't see any decent pass rushers that will initially be available. A few could become cap casualties however.

As for the 14th pick, onetwosixfive posted some really good players. I would love for Chubb to slide to us, but see no way that happens.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: pacman5252 on January 02, 2018, 02:34:12 PM
I think they've spent way too much draft capital on the defensive side recently. I'd like to see a receiver taken first.
I'm starting to feel that way too. It's tough because OLB and CB are pretty big weaknesses and are really important for a successful defense, but at some point you cannot ignore the offensive side of the ball in the first 4 rounds. Rodgers needs a new playmaker around him.

I totally get this feeling. I would probably go pass rusher round 1 though, then invest in the O for the following reasons;

1. If you take a look at where GB has drafted the last 5 years, they haven't really had a chance to get a top pass rusher/difference maker at LB;

 2013 NFL draft; pick 26 (D Jones)- next 3 LB/DE- Alec Olgeltree, M Teo, K Minter (pick 30, 38, 45... none of them edge guys)
2014- Pick 21 Dix- next 3 LB/DE- Marcus Smith, D Lawrence, Kyle V Noy (26,34, 40)
2015- pick 30 D Randal- next 3 LB/DE- S Anthony, Mario Edwards JR, Preston Smith (31, 35, 38)
2016-  pic 27 K Clark- Next 3 Kevin Dodd, Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack (33, 34, 36)
2017  pick 33 Kevin King- Tyus Bowser, Ryan Anderson, Demarcus Walker (47, 49, 51).. could have gotten TJ watt if didn't trade down

Out of these LB/DE there is one stud, D Lawrence (who would have been a big reach for us that our fanbase would have flamed on), and maybe TJ Watt if he improves. There is such a premium on rushers, I think if we finally have the chance at getting an impact rusher, we kind of have to take him.

2. I feel like this year's WR class isn't really stellar. I like Washington and Ridley, but neither are super burners worth the 14. I want nothing to do with Sutton (tall lanky WRs don't really do too much after the catch)... In addition, it seems like we've had so much success drafting WRs rounds 2-3. I'd be cool burning a 2 or 3 on one.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OnaBadger58 on January 02, 2018, 02:42:07 PM
I think they've spent way too much draft capital on the defensive side recently. I'd like to see a receiver taken first.
I'm starting to feel that way too. It's tough because OLB and CB are pretty big weaknesses and are really important for a successful defense, but at some point you cannot ignore the offensive side of the ball in the first 4 rounds. Rodgers needs a new playmaker around him.

I totally get this feeling. I would probably go pass rusher round 1 though, then invest in the O for the following reasons;

1. If you take a look at where GB has drafted the last 5 years, they haven't really had a chance to get a top pass rusher/difference maker at LB;

 2013 NFL draft; pick 26 (D Jones)- next 3 LB/DE- Alec Olgeltree, M Teo, K Minter (pick 30, 38, 45... none of them edge guys)
2014- Pick 21 Dix- next 3 LB/DE- Marcus Smith, D Lawrence, Kyle V Noy (26,34, 40)
2015- pick 30 D Randal- next 3 LB/DE- S Anthony, Mario Edwards JR, Preston Smith (31, 35, 38)
2016-  pic 27 K Clark- Next 3 Kevin Dodd, Jaylon Smith, Myles Jack (33, 34, 36)
2017  pick 33 Kevin King- Tyus Bowser, Ryan Anderson, Demarcus Walker (47, 49, 51).. could have gotten TJ watt if didn't trade down

Out of these LB/DE there is one stud, D Lawrence (who would have been a big reach for us that our fanbase would have flamed on), and maybe TJ Watt if he improves. There is such a premium on rushers, I think if we finally have the chance at getting an impact rusher, we kind of have to take him.

2. I feel like this year's WR class isn't really stellar. I like Washington and Ridley, but neither are super burners worth the 14. I want nothing to do with Sutton (tall lanky WRs don't really do too much after the catch)... In addition, it seems like we've had so much success drafting WRs rounds 2-3. I'd be cool burning a 2 or 3 on one.

Right good pass rushers don't last in the draft. I'm a big fan of Sutton, so I wouldn't be opposed to seeing him or Ridley getting drafted at 14. If Christian Kirk would last until our second pick, I would take a OLB/CB first.  I just have a feeling Kirk will crush the combine and become a top 25 pick.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 02, 2018, 02:47:01 PM
I think it will be the top OLB or top CB on the board at #14, unless they have both of them ranked lower.

If that’s the case they may try and trade down with a QB starved team and grab an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick.

This might be a year the go for quantity of picks to try and improve the talent depth on this team.

Don't forget we already have a bevvy of picks. I believe it's likely to break down as: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7.

Oh, I know how many picks they have.

But let’s say that Buffalo wants to move up and take a QB prospects at #14, especially with other QB needy teams waiting at 15-16-17, and they are willing to trade their two 1st round picks to do so (#22 & #24).

Would that not be something to consider?

Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Lodestar on January 02, 2018, 02:48:07 PM
I know no one wants to think about a trade down, but I was just thinking we're in pretty good position if that's what we decide to do. Jumping one spot ahead of Arizona (#15) could make us a really attractive trade partner for a team like the Chargers (#17), Bills, Saints, Steelers, etc. wanting one of the QBs.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Lodestar on January 02, 2018, 02:49:30 PM
Oh, I know how many picks they have.

But let’s say that Buffalo wants to move up and take a QB prospects at #14, especially with other QB needy teams waiting at 15-16-17, and they are willing to trade their two 1st round picks to do so (#22 & #24).

Would that not be something to consider?

Absolutely it would.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 02, 2018, 02:53:27 PM
I know no one wants to think about a trade down, but I was just thinking we're in pretty good position if that's what we decide to do. Jumping one spot ahead of Arizona (#15) could make us a really attractive trade partner for a team like the Chargers (#17), Bills, Saints, Steelers, etc. wanting one of the QBs.

Fairly soon (2019 or 2020 I'd guess)  the Packers might need to trade away the top pick for a higher one the following year. This is all about positioning yourself the following year with two first round picks. That is the kind of ammo essential for going up for a high pick at QB.

If/when that happens it will be WAY more unpopular than trading back a few spots, but that might be the smartest move, long term.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 02, 2018, 02:56:58 PM
But let’s say that Buffalo wants to move up and take a QB prospects at #14, especially with other QB needy teams waiting at 15-16-17, and they are willing to trade their two 1st round picks to do so (#22 & #24).

Would that not be something to consider?

Why wouldn't you take a good deal if it came your way. At #22, #24 you'd still get a very talented player...........except that now you can get two of them.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: pacman5252 on January 02, 2018, 03:01:45 PM
But let’s say that Buffalo wants to move up and take a QB prospects at #14, especially with other QB needy teams waiting at 15-16-17, and they are willing to trade their two 1st round picks to do so (#22 & #24).

Would that not be something to consider?

Why wouldn't you take a good deal if it came your way. At #22, #24 you'd still get a very talented player...........except that now you can get two of them.

If  we could get 2 1s, I'd definitely be willing to move down. With that said though, we do need pass rushers and there is usually a drop off
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 02, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
I think it will be the top OLB or top CB on the board at #14, unless they have both of them ranked lower.

If that’s the case they may try and trade down with a QB starved team and grab an extra 2nd and 3rd round pick.

This might be a year the go for quantity of picks to try and improve the talent depth on this team.

Don't forget we already have a bevvy of picks. I believe it's likely to break down as: 1, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 5, 5, 5, 6, 7, 7.

Oh, I know how many picks they have.

But let’s say that Buffalo wants to move up and take a QB prospects at #14, especially with other QB needy teams waiting at 15-16-17, and they are willing to trade their two 1st round picks to do so (#22 & #24).

Would that not be something to consider?

If the top pass rushers and the inside linebacker from Georgia are gone, there is nothing to consider, you trade. Another thought is if those teams at 15, 16, 17 are clamoring to come up and your guy is there at 14, you could move 1 spot, grab a second based on supply and demand and still get your guy.

We are not in a bad position is one of those QB's falls.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 02, 2018, 08:28:15 PM
You mean Landry and Ferrell, it's easier when you put names to them.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sorry I got lazy!
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: mancl on January 03, 2018, 07:04:27 AM
Ferrell and Landry are the two I would be looking at @ 14 as well.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Redt on January 03, 2018, 09:03:18 AM
You have to go BPA at 14, the only position I would not draft at 14 is QB. The dilemma is, what if Nelson is there, do you pick a guard, I don't think TT would have, but the new guy might.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: pacman5252 on January 03, 2018, 02:42:37 PM
I am all about Christian Kirk if he falls in the second or if we can trade back into the first. He really would be an ideal fit for us.

-Speed for deep passes
-YAC ability- (great for AR timing routes)
-Return ability for the next 2 years (no more Trevor Davis)

I think Badger said it best earlier though, he'll have a good combine and get swallowed up in the top 25 though.

Anthony Miller would also be really good
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Kepler on January 03, 2018, 03:04:41 PM
I am all about Christian Kirk if he falls in the second or if we can trade back into the first.

Plus we could call him "Captain" Kirk.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OnaBadger58 on January 03, 2018, 09:29:04 PM
Good for the Packers that Rosen and Darnold entered the draft today. There could be 4 qbs taken before the Packers pick. If not, someone may pay big for our spot because the Cardinals desperately need a qb and they pick #15.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 04, 2018, 04:23:37 AM
Good for the Packers that Rosen and Darnold entered the draft today. There could be 4 qbs taken before the Packers pick. If not, someone may pay big for our spot because the Cardinals desperately need a qb and they pick #15.

In addition, Buffalo many think want one and have two first round picks, but slots determined by playoffs.

Washington is probalby going to need one at 14 as well. I think the Giants and Cleveland both go QB. So the likelihood of 4 QB's being gone before us is pretty good. The QB's being mentioned besides the two you mentions: Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, and Allen. On the outside of that where only one team needs to fall in love with him is Luke Falk of Washington State.

I hope they all get one in front of us.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: The GM on January 04, 2018, 01:19:46 PM
Good for the Packers that Rosen and Darnold entered the draft today. There could be 4 qbs taken before the Packers pick. If not, someone may pay big for our spot because the Cardinals desperately need a qb and they pick #15.

In addition, Buffalo many think want one and have two first round picks, but slots determined by playoffs.

Washington is probalby going to need one at 14 as well. I think the Giants and Cleveland both go QB. So the likelihood of 4 QB's being gone before us is pretty good. The QB's being mentioned besides the two you mentions: Mayfield, Jackson, Rudolph, and Allen. On the outside of that where only one team needs to fall in love with him is Luke Falk of Washington State.

I hope they all get one in front of us.

Agree on Falk, it only takes one team, but he is a system QB in the Mike Leach mold.  Ive seen Falk have some really bad games, but hes got record setting numbers for his career.  When I see Leach QBs I see Graham Harrell and Falk reminds me of him.  But like you said, It only takes one.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 04, 2018, 01:47:46 PM
I like Luke Falk myself, even though he sure doesn't have a cannon arm. What he CAN do is read a defense, and failure to do that is why so many QBs with more arm talent fail in the NFL.

I liked Wilson (before he was drafted) and was amazed he lasted so long in the draft. He had EVERYTHING except height.
I liked Peterman most, from the last draft (becuase no-one disputed that he read defenses well). Time will tell how he does in Buffalo.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 04, 2018, 07:54:14 PM
Do you think there is any chance that the Penn St. Rb would fall to the Packers?
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: golfman on January 05, 2018, 03:41:50 AM
Do you think there is any chance that the Penn St. Rb would fall to the Packers?

Running backs always have a chance to drop, but this kid is special, so it's doubtful.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Gregg on January 05, 2018, 01:35:15 PM
I doubt it.  That kid is very likely top ten.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: RT on January 05, 2018, 03:11:14 PM
Do you think there is any chance that the Penn St. Rb would fall to the Packers?

A TT run draft would never take a RB that high and wisely so. IMO
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Gregg on January 05, 2018, 10:42:42 PM
I think he may go to the Niners, and with him and Garropolo, look out.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Shinesman on January 06, 2018, 08:03:33 PM
As much as I hate to say it, if Jackson from Iowa is there at 14, you have to take him. Not big on CB that early for us, but he is good, and if we use FA properly, it's doable.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: House on January 13, 2018, 09:20:56 AM
As much as I hate to say it, if Jackson from Iowa is there at 14, you have to take him. Not big on CB that early for us, but he is good, and if we use FA properly, it's doable.

I agree I really like him.. then go Austin Bryant in the 2nd??
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 17, 2018, 02:22:18 PM
As much as I hate to say it, if Jackson from Iowa is there at 14, you have to take him. Not big on CB that early for us, but he is good, and if we use FA properly, it's doable.

I agree I really like him.. then go Austin Bryant in the 2nd??

Jackson would be a great pick. He's not a pass rusher, but I think he could be a shut-down corner or as much as Shield was and what the Packers need.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 17, 2018, 02:23:52 PM
Also, Bryant is staying in school.... .I think so maybe the kid from Va.Tech or Davenport from UTSA.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: The GM on January 17, 2018, 03:23:16 PM
As much as I hate to say it, if Jackson from Iowa is there at 14, you have to take him. Not big on CB that early for us, but he is good, and if we use FA properly, it's doable.

Jackson would be a solid pick on paper, but his combine and Pro Day numbers will tell a lot.   If he runs well, he's certainly a very strong contender for the Packers pick.     
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Uncle Josh on January 17, 2018, 05:38:00 PM
Jackson reminds me of another player I lobbied for a few years back. J Jack is a bigger Casey Hayward. He won't tear up the combine and he won't be the best athlete-- but he's instinctive and a route jumper. A bit of a risky pick, but one I'd make if the top pass rushers are all off the board. I'd have a hard time taking him over Christian Kirk, though..
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 18, 2018, 03:23:52 AM
I'm pass rusher all the way with the first pick. I'm not sure what talent will be there when round two rolls around, maybe nothing of note now that Ferrell and Bryant are going back to college. Even guys like Armstrong may be gone, and I wouldn't like to have to rely on an injury risk like Josh Sweat.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: MO.Pack on January 20, 2018, 07:14:35 PM
Courtland Sutton.  Surprisingly shifty and runs precise, smooth routes. He has 22 touchdowns and averaged over 16 yards per catch over the past two seasons. We have invested so much in the last decade on defensive players in the first round I would like to see that change this year with a big talented wideout that can stretch the field.  Rodgers needs more weapons at the WR group as it is not as strong as it has been in the recent past. Hopefully we can find a CB and OLB in the next two rounds as they will be picking high also in those rounds.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 20, 2018, 09:42:52 PM
Courtland Sutton.  Surprisingly shifty and runs precise, smooth routes. He has 22 touchdowns and averaged over 16 yards per catch over the past two seasons. We have invested so much in the last decade on defensive players in the first round I would like to see that change this year with a big talented wideout that can stretch the field.  Rodgers needs more weapons at the WR group as it is not as strong as it has been in the recent past. Hopefully we can find a CB and OLB in the next two rounds as they will be picking high also in those rounds.
I'm not a big fan of his. I see a WR/TE in the second or third round this year.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 21, 2018, 05:28:25 AM
I'm a bit locked into pass rusher in round one, whether it is Davenport, Key, Landry, Okoronkwo.

Still, one of Ridley, Washington, Ateman, Sutton would really add to the passing game. It's tempting.

Jackson or Ward at CB are at least worth thinking about.

A 'thinking out of the box' pick might be OT Connor Williams.

Such a crucial decision, and a new GM to make it...........who knows where they will go.

Question. With new offensive and defensive coordinators (an old/new one, in Philbin's case), I  wonder if they have any draft recommendations and how much weight they have. It might be (for example) that Pettine was promised help early in the draft, as an incentive to come to Green Bay.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 21, 2018, 11:07:36 AM
Color me crazy, but I could see the Bills wanting to trade up to the #14 pick to draft a QB, and GB could end up with both of BUF's 1st round picks #21 & #22.

The way I see it there are 6 teams, prior to GB's #14 pick, that have prioritized getting a QB (#1 Browns, #2 Giants, #5 Broncos, #6 Jets, #12 Bengals, #13 Redskins).
Of those teams, I think the Giants will not need to draft a QB since their new HC (Pat Shurmur) will bring along one from MN (I'm guessing the G-men will throw big money at Keenum and he will go with his OC, Shurmur, to the NYG's).
I also think at least one of the other teams wanting a QB before GB will sign one, or more, of the possibly available UFA QB's (Kirk Cousins, Sam Bradford, Jay Cutler, Drew Stanton, Teddy Bridgewater..........one of either Bridgewater/Bradford will likely stay in MN).
If this occurs, it would mean 2 or 3 of those 6 teams will have a QB prior to the draft, and will pursue their next highest priority.
Sitting at #15 is AZ, another QB needy team, and #17 is LAC's, looking for Rivers eventual replacement.

I could see BUF wanting to leapfrog those two teams to take the 4th or 5th best QB on the board.

What should GB do with these two picks?

#21 - Arden Key/Edge-OLB
#22 - Isaiah Oliver/CB

#45 - Either Royce Freeman or Sony Michel (if either is still available)...............we need a difference maker at RB. See what it did for the Saints this year, and JAX. Royce and Michel could be this next years Kamara. J-Williams and A-Jones are nice stories, but GB needs a bonifide home run threat at RB.

WR can be addressed in the 3rd round with someone like Jaleel Scott (New Mexico St.)........might have to trade up a little to get him......, or Christian Kirk (Texas A&M), or wait until the 4th round and take Equanimeous St. Brown (Notre Dame).

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/jaleel-scott-is-a-major-2018-nfl-draft-sleeper-with-no-1-wideout-potential/ (https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/jaleel-scott-is-a-major-2018-nfl-draft-sleeper-with-no-1-wideout-potential/)

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/equanimeous-st-brown-declares-for-2018-nfl-draft/ (https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/equanimeous-st-brown-declares-for-2018-nfl-draft/)

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2745460-christian-kirk-officially-declares-for-2018-nfl-draft-after-3-years-at-texas-am (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2745460-christian-kirk-officially-declares-for-2018-nfl-draft-after-3-years-at-texas-am)
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 21, 2018, 07:55:51 PM
I still don't think any pass rushers outside Chubb are worth that 14 pick. Best guy up probably that OT from Notre Dame. A needed position meets BPA.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: claymaker on January 22, 2018, 01:56:55 PM
I still don't think any pass rushers outside Chubb are worth that 14 pick. Best guy up probably that OT from Notre Dame. A needed position meets BPA.

Key is the better pass rusher. Chubb is the more complete player. Unlikely they have a shot at either imo.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: SSG on January 24, 2018, 10:03:08 AM
I still don't think any pass rushers outside Chubb are worth that 14 pick. Best guy up probably that OT from Notre Dame. A needed position meets BPA.

Unless you believe that Buluga is getting cut, I don't see how an OT is a need.  We aren't far removed from making a significant investment into Spriggs. 
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 24, 2018, 10:54:37 AM
I still don't think any pass rushers outside Chubb are worth that 14 pick. Best guy up probably that OT from Notre Dame. A needed position meets BPA.

Unless you believe that Buluga is getting cut, I don't see how an OT is a need.  We aren't far removed from making a significant investment into Spriggs.

I'll second that. Now when the 2019 draft rolls around we will pretty much KNOW what we have with Spriggs. It just might be OL early time then, if he has failed.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 24, 2018, 01:47:17 PM
I still don't think any pass rushers outside Chubb are worth that 14 pick. Best guy up probably that OT from Notre Dame. A needed position meets BPA.

Unless you believe that Buluga is getting cut, I don't see how an OT is a need.  We aren't far removed from making a significant investment into Spriggs.

I'll second that. Now when the 2019 draft rolls around we will pretty much KNOW what we have with Spriggs. It just might be OL early time then, if he has failed.

With a new GM at the helm, a FA to fill that spot wouldn't be out of the question either.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: mancl on January 28, 2018, 06:58:49 AM
I have a man crush on Davenport but I think he will be gone by this time.  Key is boom or bust.  Not a Landry fan. How about Edmunds the LB from VA Tec? Very athletic- will be a side line to sideline player.  can play inside or out which gives the Pack the versatility they want on D.  Not that big at 235 which is a concern.  Just a thought
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Gregg on January 28, 2018, 02:51:44 PM
Davenport looked pretty good to me yesterday.

But clearly the guy who slammed it was the QB from Richmond.

Looks like the new Carson Wentz
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on January 28, 2018, 06:23:45 PM
Davenport looked pretty good to me yesterday.

But clearly the guy who slammed it was the QB from Richmond.

Looks like the new Carson Wentz

Totally agree!

Lauletta's draft stock went up 3-4 rounds after yesterday!

Benkert didn't hurt himself either! I'd like to see the Packers try and pick him.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: Hands on January 31, 2018, 06:08:27 PM
I still don't think any pass rushers outside Chubb are worth that 14 pick. Best guy up probably that OT from Notre Dame. A needed position meets BPA.

Unless you believe that Buluga is getting cut, I don't see how an OT is a need.  We aren't far removed from making a significant investment into Spriggs.

Bulaga and Spriggs are essentially out until TC and maybe longer. It's not a strong position at this point so BPA may be that ND OT.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on February 01, 2018, 10:12:13 AM
Bulaga and Spriggs are essentially out until TC and maybe longer. It's not a strong position at this point so BPA may be that ND OT.

Probably true in Bulaga's case, though I thought Spriggs might be back rather earlier. If Spriggs can be well past his injury in TC and with Murphy back as well, then I could live with Bulaga on pup for 6 weeks, before coming in and starting. Not an ideal situation, but no disaster either. I'd probably still draft an OT, but I wouldn't rate it a priority pick - they go to OLB, WR, CB, TE.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: SB XLIX on February 01, 2018, 12:49:13 PM
I originally thought the pick would be the CB from IA, but now, I think they may trade out.
Even if they are unsure about KK's surgery recovery, I think the Redskins may draft JJ and he won't be available to GB at 14.
In that case, unless the Packers are targeting a LB they think is moving up a la CMIII, the top pass rushers will be gone at 14, and pick 14 seems like a high pick on the remaining talent.
If someone really wants to pick a QB, GB could get some real value by trading down and picking up another 1 or early 2.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: claymaker on February 01, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
I personally love Key. He's got a wicked first step and he's a slippery sucker. Watch him engage a blocker and just slip passed them, barely bends and dips to do it too which is interesting.

I find his red flag as a blessing in disguise. He can clearly put on weight, and being on the smaller side that's encouraging.

Davenport looks like he might get the Mack effect during the draft process and end up being the first pass rusher taken.

I think between the two Key will be the better pass rusher and that's all that counts in my book.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: SB XLIX on February 05, 2018, 11:31:36 AM
Yes, if Key is there, he would be an outstanding pick.
I think he may be picked before 14.  Hope I am wrong on that.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on February 05, 2018, 05:29:08 PM
Read an article today that said 4 QB's go in the top 13 picks (Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield)............Let's say they are right, even if it isn't exactly those names (Rudolph could be inserted anywhere in there).

That leaves 9 other players to be chosen and still leave Key, or one of the other top pass-rushers to still be on the board.

Who might those other 9 players be?

Here's my best guess:
Bradley Chubb
Roquan Smith
Tremaine Edmunds
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Derwin James
Saquon Barkley
Orlando Brown
Quenton Nelson
Marcus Davenport


Now there's other names to consider that could be in that "other 9" as well..........
Mike McGlinchey
Courtland Sutton
Brian O'Neil
Derrius Guice

I think there's a fairly decent chance that Key is still on the board at #14. Either him or Davenport. I wouldn't complain about Joshua Jackson either.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: RT on February 06, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
I don't think any position(s) will be targeted by the Packers with the 1st round pick, but instead just drafting the player with the highest grade when it is their choice. If one of the QB's slip and he is the highest rated player on their board, take him. I don't believe it is out of the realm of possibility to see them draft a player at any position with that first pick.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: The GM on February 06, 2018, 10:24:23 PM
Read an article today that said 4 QB's go in the top 13 picks (Rosen, Darnold, Allen, Mayfield)............Let's say they are right, even if it isn't exactly those names (Rudolph could be inserted anywhere in there).

That leaves 9 other players to be chosen and still leave Key, or one of the other top pass-rushers to still be on the board.

Who might those other 9 players be?

Here's my best guess:
Bradley Chubb
Roquan Smith
Tremaine Edmunds
Minkah Fitzpatrick
Derwin James
Saquon Barkley
Orlando Brown
Quenton Nelson
Marcus Davenport


Now there's other names to consider that could be in that "other 9" as well..........
Mike McGlinchey
Courtland Sutton
Brian O'Neil
Derrius Guice

I think there's a fairly decent chance that Key is still on the board at #14. Either him or Davenport. I wouldn't complain about Joshua Jackson either.

Always tough to pinpoint where the Packers will go.  We are months away from the draft and even before the combine.   Love reading mocks and evals of players but I stand by what I've said for years.  We try to figure out who the Packers will pick, but even when the Packers are on the clock and 13 players have gone off the board.
 Most people still wont get it right and we know who is gone already.  Always fun to speculate though.     
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: SB XLIX on February 09, 2018, 01:03:18 PM

Always tough to pinpoint where the Packers will go.  We are months away from the draft and even before the combine.   Love reading mocks and evals of players but I stand by what I've said for years.  We try to figure out who the Packers will pick, but even when the Packers are on the clock and 13 players have gone off the board.
 Most people still wont get it right and we know who is gone already.  Always fun to speculate though.     

This is so true. 
But, I must say that I was so annoyed with TT last year that I completely skipped the whole draft process.  Afterwards I did feel like I missed out and felt partially responsible for the Packers draft because I wasn't screaming at the TV, helping TT & the Packers make the correct choice. 
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: dannobanano on February 15, 2018, 03:23:10 PM
The more I read about Harold Landry and his 2017 injury (happened in the 5th game against Virginia Tech), the more I am interested to see his measurables and performance at the NFL Combine.

If he's more like the player of 2016 rather than 2017, then I can get more excited about this player and what he might offer to the Packers pass rush.
I did read a piece that projects as a better player for a 4-3 defense as opposed to 3-4.

Not sold on him yet, but not discarding him as a prospect either.
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: scoremore on February 17, 2018, 06:44:03 AM
Tremain Edmunds.  Pack go with the BPA.  Pettine will find a role for him. 
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on February 17, 2018, 07:28:26 AM
Landry Edmonds, Davenport, Key. While they each have flaws, they also each have some very elite skills. So whichever (if any) of them are drafted, they each have the potential to be really disruptive edge rushers. It's a while since the Packers have had that kind of choice at pass rusher (even though it's likely that Chubb and one other rusher goes before the Pack pick).
Title: Re: With the 14th pick in the 2018 NFL draft...
Post by: SSGCujo on February 18, 2018, 02:43:48 PM
 Everything is speculation until the combine is done.