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Title: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: SSG on January 07, 2018, 10:46:00 AM
Ian Rapoport is reporting that Brian Gutekunst  is going to be promoted as the new GM with Ball taking a bigger role in the organization. 
Title: New GM is Brian Gutekunst!!
Post by: gbnd4life on January 07, 2018, 10:46:10 AM
Brian Gutekunst was just announced the GM of the Green Bay Packers!!!
Title: Re: New GM is Brian Gutekunst!!
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 07, 2018, 10:47:01 AM
WOW !!! Speculation over. Hope the Packers find a way to keep at least one of Wolf, Ball.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: RT on January 07, 2018, 10:47:16 AM
Ian Rapoport is reporting that Brian Gutekunst  is going to be promoted as the new GM with Ball taking a bigger role in the organization.

If true, these are excellent moves!
Title: Re: New GM is Brian Gutekunst!!
Post by: RT on January 07, 2018, 10:49:24 AM
WOW !!! Speculation over. Hope the Packers find a way to keep at least one of Wolf, Ball.

Ball is not going anywhere. The Packers couldn't be so lucky to have Wolf leave on his own.
Title: Re: New GM is Brian Gutekunst!!
Post by: Pugger on January 07, 2018, 10:53:36 AM
Good!  If we couldn't get Schneider Gut was the one I was hoping Murphy would hire.   thumbsup) cheese) :) :D ;D clap)
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Pugger on January 07, 2018, 10:55:20 AM
Ian Rapoport is reporting that Brian Gutekunst  is going to be promoted as the new GM with Ball taking a bigger role in the organization.

If true, these are excellent moves!

Agreed.  I hate to lose Wolf but I have a feeling he'll land on his feet somewhere.  I just hope it is in the AFC.   ;)
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: RT on January 07, 2018, 10:59:19 AM
I wonder if Gutekunst interviewing with the Texans didn't force the Packers hand here. Regardless I like the move, thought he was a few years away from a GM spot, but with TT, Ball and others there as sounding boards he will be fine.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 07, 2018, 11:10:10 AM
No issues with that decision .  Hope Wolf will stick around and form a dynamic duo.  This could work well if Wolf is happy.  Eventually he'll want his own gig, but this could really help the Packers.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Twain on January 07, 2018, 11:12:56 AM
I suspect Wolf will leave- there is too much interest in him around the league, and at some point he is going to want to call the shots.  It is just a matter of him finding a spot he likes.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: SSG on January 07, 2018, 11:16:51 AM
I wonder if Gutekunst interviewing with the Texans didn't force the Packers hand here. Regardless I like the move, thought he was a few years away from a GM spot, but with TT, Ball and others there as sounding boards he will be fine.

I'd imagine that their hand was likely forced when they struck out with Schneider and were turned down by Seattle.  He looks to be the #2 choice that they didn't want to let get away with the interview with the Texans and the possibility that he'd finally get the GM job he's been interviewing for in the last couple years.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 07, 2018, 11:26:17 AM
My question is what happens with Ball?  Is he the #2 guy under Gutey, or do you put Wolf there? You still have Ted there as the Senior Advisor to the GM.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 07, 2018, 11:35:22 AM
FYI, the Packers interviewed Doug Whaley, former Buffalo GM, during the process so the Rooney rule was covered.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: dannobanano on January 07, 2018, 11:49:01 AM
I heard they wanted to talk to him but had not heard it actually took place.

Was wondering if the McKenzie offer was a plan B
Title: Re: New GM is Brian Gutekunst!!
Post by: Pugger on January 07, 2018, 11:59:53 AM
Let's call him Gute.   cheese)
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: SSGCujo on January 07, 2018, 12:02:47 PM
 I like the hire. I hope that Wolf will stick around for a season or two. He will be a wanted candidate soon. Well, this is my last post on PC. I wish LMG fun on his travels. I hope to travel as much as possible once I retire. Good Luck!
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Shinesman on January 07, 2018, 12:05:11 PM
After hearing how Ball was a lot like TT I was hoping he wouldn't be the guy. That may be why Murphy went with Gut. If so, I am happy. Does anyone else find it just as ironic and our luck that we finally get changes and a decent draft pick, and the draft is pretty weak all around.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: phanatic1 on January 07, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
This seems to be a popular pick and one that is supported by MM and reports of Rodgers on board also doesn't hurt.  To be honest, I would think keeping of Elliot Wolf as the Ass't GM would be much more valuable than keeping Ball and the money end of things.  Good personnel people have got to be tougher to find than money people. 

Now, Gute - lets get things going.  Settle into some modern football operations of free agency, trades, and making moves for the current team and not always having the team 3 years from now as the sole key for your decisions. 
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Shinesman on January 07, 2018, 12:10:31 PM
This seems to be a popular pick and one that is supported by MM and reports of Rodgers on board also doesn't hurt.  To be honest, I would think keeping of Elliot Wolf as the Ass't GM would be much more valuable than keeping Ball and the money end of things.  Good personnel people have got to be tougher to find than money people. 

Now, Gute - lets get things going.  Settle into some modern football operations of free agency, trades, and making moves for the current team and not always having the team 3 years from now as the sole key for your decisions.

+1
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: dannobanano on January 07, 2018, 12:20:08 PM
This seems to be a popular pick and one that is supported by MM and reports of Rodgers on board also doesn't hurt.  To be honest, I would think keeping of Elliot Wolf as the Ass't GM would be much more valuable than keeping Ball and the money end of things.  Good personnel people have got to be tougher to find than money people. 

Now, Gute - lets get things going.  Settle into some modern football operations of free agency, trades, and making moves for the current team and not always having the team 3 years from now as the sole key for your decisions.

Ask Andrew Brandt if he agrees that good “money people” are not important and/or easy to find.

Contract structure landscape is constantly changing. They are a very important piece of a team management puzzle.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: RT on January 07, 2018, 12:27:47 PM
This seems to be a popular pick and one that is supported by MM and reports of Rodgers on board also doesn't hurt.  To be honest, I would think keeping of Elliot Wolf as the Ass't GM would be much more valuable than keeping Ball and the money end of things.  Good personnel people have got to be tougher to find than money people. 

Now, Gute - lets get things going.  Settle into some modern football operations of free agency, trades, and making moves for the current team and not always having the team 3 years from now as the sole key for your decisions.

Ask Andrew Brandt if he agrees that good “money people” are not important and/or easy to find.

Contract structure landscape is constantly changing. They are a very important piece of a team management puzzle.

Grossly underestimating Ball's value. Like OLinemen, people don't see the value until you don't have good ones. Ball is still a huge asset in the Packers front office.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: MO.Pack on January 07, 2018, 12:35:45 PM
Congrats to Guts now let's go after some FA and solid draft picks.  Here's hoping for an outside D.C. to bring new ideas and get the most out of our defensive players.
Title: Re: New GM is Brian Gutekunst!!
Post by: craig on January 07, 2018, 12:39:20 PM
....Ball is not going anywhere. The Packers couldn't be so lucky to have Wolf leave on his own.

RT, I'm not tracking the last sentence about Wolf?  Are you saying the Packers should want him gone?
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 07, 2018, 12:44:25 PM
They need to keep Ball, especially with a new and young GM.  It will be important for Gute have someone experienced to run the books, and run numbers.  Ball's experience not only in his field also some others will be invaluable.  You gotta have those guys.
Im hearing Murphy and Gute are trying to concvince Wolf to stay.  Why wouldnt he until he got a GM opportunity somewhere else?
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: ricky on January 07, 2018, 12:45:58 PM
What does this mean for MM? It was rumored that Ball would mean a quick exit for MM. What will this mean for FA? Will Gute be more aggressive? Because if so, then Ball is crucial, since he would have to renegotiate contracts with some big money players (Cobb, Nelson, Cobb) to clear some cap space. IAlso, he has a strong background in scouting, so he should have some strong opinions as to who he'd like to draft. And he has to be willing to say to TT, "Thanks for the advice, but I'm going to do this instead." This profile details his background:

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/brian-gutekunst/17567ea1-38e4-4d60-8270-84a5095551dd

There is even speculation that Gutekunst was NOT the PAckers first choice, but a solid Plan B. Maybe. Will Ball stick around? Why not? Give him a bump in salary and responsibility, puff up his title, and all should be well. Wolf? He might very well go elsewhere. The question being, if his name were Smith or Jones, would anyone really care? It seems he is like the Jeff Janis of the front office- highly hyped, but perhaps not ready for prime time.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/7/16860478/brian-gutekunst-green-bay-packers-gm-hire-promotion-ted-thompson

So, is OK to say this sounds like "Gute news"?  facepalm)



Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: craig on January 07, 2018, 12:48:20 PM
Yes, best wishes to Gute, hope he does a great job. 

I like Gute; always thought he gave thoughtful interviews and draft reports, and that he spoke well and cheerfully.  Seemed to have a good way with the media.  So just on the "likeability", seems good. 

How good he will be as an analyst, a scout, a drafter, I have zero idea.  Hoping he'll prove to be very smart and effective. 

Think Ball is a very capable administrator.  So I'm optimistic that Ball will stay and provide a good complement so that Gute can focus on scouting and do that effectively. 
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Lodestar on January 07, 2018, 12:51:36 PM
Yes, best wishes to Gute, hope he does a great job. 

I like Gute; always thought he gave thoughtful interviews and draft reports, and that he spoke well and cheerfully.  Seemed to have a good way with the media.  So just on the "likeability", seems good. 

How good he will be as an analyst, a scout, a drafter, I have zero idea.  Hoping he'll prove to be very smart and effective. 

Think Ball is a very capable administrator.  So I'm optimistic that Ball will stay and provide a good complement so that Gute can focus on scouting and do that effectively.

My feelings as well.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: mancl on January 07, 2018, 12:59:49 PM
I want Wolf to stick around through the draft as it would be hard to hire someone else this time of year.  After 1 May he can go wherever he wants and I will wish him well.  Then Brian G can make what changes he wants in the office.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: heikks86 on January 07, 2018, 04:00:08 PM
What does this mean for MM? It was rumored that Ball would mean a quick exit for MM. What will this mean for FA? Will Gute be more aggressive? Because if so, then Ball is crucial, since he would have to renegotiate contracts with some big money players (Cobb, Nelson, Cobb) to clear some cap space. IAlso, he has a strong background in scouting, so he should have some strong opinions as to who he'd like to draft. And he has to be willing to say to TT, "Thanks for the advice, but I'm going to do this instead." This profile details his background:

http://www.packers.com/team/staff/brian-gutekunst/17567ea1-38e4-4d60-8270-84a5095551dd

There is even speculation that Gutekunst was NOT the PAckers first choice, but a solid Plan B. Maybe. Will Ball stick around? Why not? Give him a bump in salary and responsibility, puff up his title, and all should be well. Wolf? He might very well go elsewhere. The question being, if his name were Smith or Jones, would anyone really care? It seems he is like the Jeff Janis of the front office- highly hyped, but perhaps not ready for prime time.

https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/7/16860478/brian-gutekunst-green-bay-packers-gm-hire-promotion-ted-thompson

So, is OK to say this sounds like "Gute news"?  facepalm)

Looking around on other forums and socials media  the consensus  two days ago was anyone but Ball. Now that Gute got the job a lot of people are pissed that Wolf didn’t get the job.

I agree that the hype around Eliot wouldn’t be as much if he had a different last name. Everyone is assuming he is gonna be exactly like Ron.  He is a good candidate but he’s still young if he would have gotten the job he would have been the youngest GM in nfl history
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 07, 2018, 04:08:33 PM

Looking around on other forums and socials media  the consensus  two days ago was anyone but Ball. Now that Gute got the job a lot of people are pissed that Wolf didn’t get the job.

We may not be looking at the same sites, but I have seen very little of the angry people, since the announcement.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: heikks86 on January 07, 2018, 04:27:37 PM

Looking around on other forums and socials media  the consensus  two days ago was anyone but Ball. Now that Gute got the job a lot of people are pissed that Wolf didn’t get the job.

We may not be looking at the same sites, but I have seen very little of the angry people, since the announcement.

The other forum I frequent the forum on the former scout now 24/7 most there aren’t happy. But they are usually always upset about something and most optimistic fans have abandoned that site
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: mancl on January 07, 2018, 05:17:29 PM
A lot of the comments from reporters and the like are general- Gute is a good hire etc.  On Packers News Le Roy Butler offers a bit of insight into Gute's approach.  He suggested the roster will continue to be young but very athletic.  That's nice to hear
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: LMG on January 07, 2018, 06:07:34 PM
They need to keep Ball, especially with a new and young GM.  It will be important for Gute have someone experienced to run the books, and run numbers.  Ball's experience not only in his field also some others will be invaluable.  You gotta have those guys.
Im hearing Murphy and Gute are trying to concvince Wolf to stay.  Why wouldnt he until he got a GM opportunity somewhere else?


Where are you'hearing' that??
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: heikks86 on January 07, 2018, 06:25:41 PM
They need to keep Ball, especially with a new and young GM.  It will be important for Gute have someone experienced to run the books, and run numbers.  Ball's experience not only in his field also some others will be invaluable.  You gotta have those guys.
Im hearing Murphy and Gute are trying to concvince Wolf to stay.  Why wouldnt he until he got a GM opportunity somewhere else?


Where are you'hearing' that??

I saw it on Tom silversteins twitter
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: ChicagoPackerFan on January 08, 2018, 06:27:16 AM
Gutekunst sounds like a solid pick, is there really any reason to go outside the Packers organization since the front office seems well regraded around the league. I pretty much no nothing about any GM picks besides what I have read online...  ;D
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: JQ on January 08, 2018, 03:25:17 PM
Gutekunst sounds like a solid pick, is there really any reason to go outside the Packers organization since the front office seems well regraded around the league. I pretty much no nothing about any GM picks besides what I have read online...  ;D

Same here Chicago PF!

Gutekunst has interviewed for several other teams for their GM job, and reportedly was ready to do the same again for the Houston GM opening. So the fact that he’s generated so much interest from other teams would suggest to me he’s a solid choice.

I think he’ll be a breath of fresh air in that front office, and I hope the Packers will find a way to keep Eliot Wolf in the fold as well!



 
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: craig on January 08, 2018, 06:50:12 PM
Seemed like a really nice, likeable guy in the interview.  Really hope he'll be successful.

Sounds like he intends to invest time and personnel into free agents.  Wonder what impact that could have; spend less time scouting college prospects?  Hire some extra scouts so if guys are reallocating say 10 hours/week towards studying FA's, somebody else can pick up the reduced hours spend on draft prospects? 

I really liked the guy and thought he spoke well. 

Not to be a negativist, but I did thought he stayed vague on a couple of places where he could have easily included a little specific.  When asked about financial standing heading into FA, he gave a weak avoidant non-answer.  Another time was asked about Packer Way, and he said there was one but didn't mention anything specific. 

They also didn't really give much clarity on the Ball/Gute aspect.  I get having Ball negotiate contracts.  But other than in the draft or minimum-wage guys, money is a part of every other decision. 
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: ricky on January 09, 2018, 06:21:48 AM
Gutekunst seems like he might be the "new sheriff in town". That is, if his rhetoric is followed up by action. The most alarming statement in the article was that "17% of the roster didn't offer anything on offense or defense." Ouch. But this is nothing new, so why is this suddenly being brought up? Then again, there is a contingent of Packers fans who simply don't like to read negative things about their team. The hatred of McGinn by some is a prime example. Anyway, here's the article. I'm sticking with my prediction of a FA signing on both sides of the ball. TE for offense, DE/OLB on defense.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/08/brian-gutekunst-eyes-aggressive-approach-packers-roster/1014078001/
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: MO.Pack on January 09, 2018, 08:13:11 AM
I thought it was interesting what Murphy had to say about what he thought of BG draft analysis for the first 4 rounds of the draft.  I think he said for the last 5 years and compare them to E. Wolfs.  Murphy said he was quite impressed with what he saw.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: heikks86 on January 09, 2018, 08:31:48 AM
Gutekunst seems like he might be the "new sheriff in town". That is, if his rhetoric is followed up by action. The most alarming statement in the article was that "17% of the roster didn't offer anything on offense or defense." Ouch. But this is nothing new, so why is this suddenly being brought up? Then again, there is a contingent of Packers fans who simply don't like to read negative things about their team. The hatred of McGinn by some is a prime example. Anyway, here's the article. I'm sticking with my prediction of a FA signing on both sides of the ball. TE for offense, DE/OLB on defense.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/08/brian-gutekunst-eyes-aggressive-approach-packers-roster/1014078001/

Wouldn’t the 17% be considered specials teams players?  If so 17% of 53 would be about 9 players, Crosby, Vogel, Goode and Janis would be considered special teams only so there’s about 5 others who don’t contribute to offense or defense
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: mikebpackfan on January 09, 2018, 10:11:18 AM
Gutekunst seems like he might be the "new sheriff in town". That is, if his rhetoric is followed up by action. The most alarming statement in the article was that "17% of the roster didn't offer anything on offense or defense." Ouch. But this is nothing new, so why is this suddenly being brought up? Then again, there is a contingent of Packers fans who simply don't like to read negative things about their team. The hatred of McGinn by some is a prime example. Anyway, here's the article. I'm sticking with my prediction of a FA signing on both sides of the ball. TE for offense, DE/OLB on defense.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/08/brian-gutekunst-eyes-aggressive-approach-packers-roster/1014078001/

Wouldn’t the 17% be considered specials teams players?  If so 17% of 53 would be about 9 players, Crosby, Vogel, Goode and Janis would be considered special teams only so there’s about 5 others who don’t contribute to offense or defense

He listed the players he was referring to as 17%: "cornerbacks Pipkins and Donatello Brown, safety Marwin Evans, offensive linemen Dillon Day, Ulrick John and Adam Pankey, running back Devante Mays, fullback Joe Kerridge and outside linebacker Chris Odom"

Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: heikks86 on January 09, 2018, 12:13:31 PM
Gutekunst seems like he might be the "new sheriff in town". That is, if his rhetoric is followed up by action. The most alarming statement in the article was that "17% of the roster didn't offer anything on offense or defense." Ouch. But this is nothing new, so why is this suddenly being brought up? Then again, there is a contingent of Packers fans who simply don't like to read negative things about their team. The hatred of McGinn by some is a prime example. Anyway, here's the article. I'm sticking with my prediction of a FA signing on both sides of the ball. TE for offense, DE/OLB on defense.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/08/brian-gutekunst-eyes-aggressive-approach-packers-roster/1014078001/

Wouldn’t the 17% be considered specials teams players?  If so 17% of 53 would be about 9 players, Crosby, Vogel, Goode and Janis would be considered special teams only so there’s about 5 others who don’t contribute to offense or defense

He listed the players he was referring to as 17%: "cornerbacks Pipkins and Donatello Brown, safety Marwin Evans, offensive linemen Dillon Day, Ulrick John and Adam Pankey, running back Devante Mays, fullback Joe Kerridge and outside linebacker Chris Odom"

Ah I didn’t read the article. But It’s like that for most NFL teams they have a few players who never play much during the season. The game day roster is 46 players dressing so every week there’s 7 not dressing, most of the players listed didn’t play much early on, only time they started playing was after multiple injuries
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Shinesman on January 09, 2018, 12:45:42 PM
They need to keep Ball, especially with a new and young GM.  It will be important for Gute have someone experienced to run the books, and run numbers.  Ball's experience not only in his field also some others will be invaluable.  You gotta have those guys.
Im hearing Murphy and Gute are trying to concvince Wolf to stay.  Why wouldnt he until he got a GM opportunity somewhere else?


Where are you'hearing' that??

BR team stream has multiple sources saying this.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: MO.Pack on January 09, 2018, 01:59:49 PM
Gutekunst sounds like a solid pick, is there really any reason to go outside the Packers organization since the front office seems well regraded around the league. I pretty much no nothing about any GM picks besides what I have read online...  ;D

Same here Chicago PF!

Gutekunst has interviewed for several other teams for their GM job, and reportedly was ready to do the same again for the Houston GM opening. So the fact that he’s generated so much interest from other teams would suggest to me he’s a solid choice.

I think he’ll be a breath of fresh air in that front office, and I hope the Packers will find a way to keep Eliot Wolf in the fold as well!






Ron Wolf came out and said this about his son not getting the GM job.  ""Obviously the people up there don't think he's worthy or they would've hired him. End of discussion."   Seems his tone is one of disappointment and I am not so sure Eliot will stick around but hightail it to Oakland or Cleveland.
here is the rest of the article.  http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/43349/eliot-wolf-has-options-from-oakland-to-cleveland-with-green-bay-in-between
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Kepler on January 13, 2018, 07:38:30 AM
I'm really anticipating this off-season to see exactly how aggressive Gutekunst is in player acquisition.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: RT on January 13, 2018, 08:16:01 AM
I'm really anticipating this off-season to see exactly how aggressive Gutekunst is in player acquisition.

I think the part of the fanbase that has the 'sign everyone in free agency mentality' are going to be disappointed. Would be surprised if their is much difference in the way business is conducted. All the fantasy football guru managers who felt suppressed by TT's slow and steady approach will probably continue to feel suppressed.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 13, 2018, 09:34:19 AM
I'm really anticipating this off-season to see exactly how aggressive Gutekunst is in player acquisition.

It will be interesting.  Im not expecting much change since TT is still a "Senior Advisor", and you have to be smart with the cap.   I'll be more interested in seeing his approach to trades.  In previous years, TT reportedly wouldn't give up draft choices for  Marshawn Lynch (Buffalo), Randy Moss (Oakland)  or Tony Gonzalez (KC).  Would Gute make those trades???   Dont know. 

One thing people forget is how hard it is to get FA's to Green Bay.  Its certainly not a paradise for many players and is among the bottem 3-4 places for FAs to come to.  There are normally 3 conditions for big name free agents to come to Green Bay. 

1.  You have to overpay them (Reggie White, signed the largest defensive player contract in history to come to Green Bay.  Peppers was paid VERY well too)
2.  There's no market for them (Nobody wanted Charles Woodson except Tampa Bay who wanted him to play safety, he didn't want to play safety)
3.  You are on the brink of a Super Bowl, and players are looking for a ring.

Gute may be interested in being aggressive in FA, but reality may be a different ballgame.  I think TT's lack of interest in FA, had a lot to do with overpaying players to come to Green Bay.  It is my belief that Green Bay was often used by agents to drive up prices for their clients (Chris Canty).   Gute may have a different approach to this, but its pretty tough to get someone to come to Green Bay if the money is the same elsewhere.  The players and importantly their families can lay on the beach in Miami, or Tampa, or Jacksonville, or San Diego vs spending that time in Green Bay.    If the money is the same, it can be a tough sell, and you have to keep your salary cap in mind.   If I have to spend more for FA's than other teams, it leaves less than other teams to fill my team,  my team suffers.   That's why I think TT didn't get involved in FA.   I wish he would have, but I understand his approach.  Gute may tackle this differently.  We'll see.   
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: craig on January 13, 2018, 11:07:21 AM
Those are great points, GM.  And I think with the Packers coming off a losing season, with Rodgers getting old, I'm not sure that the lure of winning, or the perception of the Packers being one of the very, very best teams with a great shot at the SB, is as strong as it was.  A lot of teams can probably hope and make the case that they've got a legit shot to win.  Yes, Rodgers does give a shot, and not all teams have that; but Green Bay isn't like 5 years ago, or like New England or whatever. 

1.  One draw for a FA would be to play with Rodgers.  In past, FA always focused on defense.  But we need TE and could surely use a WR.  For WR/TE, I'd think the chance to play with Rodgers would appeal.

2.  RT mentions probably things being not much different.  T/F, depending on reference.  I'm not expecting big-ticket FA, much less plural.  But I'm imagining perhaps something more like last winter.  Bennett, House, Evans, Kendricks, those were four FA's signed, with no threat to cap.  Those guys combined for what, maybe $12 or so in cap space?  Relative to $178 cap, the common perspective that FA activity is really risky cap-wise wasn't true at all.  Then they added Dial and the San Fran OLB as well, so they added six low-price vets. Of the main four they signed, three (Evans, House, Bennett) were signed and used in starting roles; to add three FA-starters is kind of a major activity. 

I'm not really expecting Gute to sign that many guys, I don't think three starters plus three regular rotation guys will ever be an average winter.  But I think that's the type of involvement that Gute is going to be interested in.  Not signing some star who's going to cost like Adams did, but a TE who's more within the Bennett-Kendricks brackets, etc.. 

TT had many years where the only FA's added were minimum-wage guys who got cut in camp.  So I don't expect Gute to be that inactive, even if he's not going to annually be adding six FA's including 3 starters. 

3.  One factor in FA that GM didn't mention is opportunity.  Some $$ FA's are going to be starters anywhere.  But some are more like House or Evans or Kendricks:  guys who might not have a starting role or any role at all for a lot of other rosters.  5-6 years ago, I often felt like TT had a roster where intended starters were pretty well defined, and he'd already drafted ahead so that hypotetcally a high-round draft pick was already on the roster when a vet was done.  (Mike Neil was supposed to take Cullen Jenkins spot; Bulaga for Tauscher; WR to replace Jennings and Driver....)  At present I don't see the Packers roster as having that kind of strength and depth.  So, a guy who hasn't been a starter and wants that chance, could get that at tE.  Or OG, or OT.  A WR could very easily emerge as #3 guy.  A corner might pretty easily win out as a starter, or as a regular guy in nickle.  So, I think Gute really does have the chance to sell career-opportunity to some FA's. 

4.  The other Q with FA is, how do you pursue it?  Before the GM hiring was decided, I'd seen a lengty, in-depth article on Ball.  It had lots of other info, but re FA it suggested that FA was all Ball, TT wasn't involved in negotiations at all, and maybe not MM either.  That all negotiating was done strictly with agent, they never talk to the players.  And that Ball was kind of meticulous and perhaps a little bit slow-moving, relative to some other clubs.  (That's the impression I got from statements by un-named agents in the MJS story.)  My question with Gute is, will he involve himself?  Or get himself and MM involved?  Some GM's, and sometimes coaches too, are very active salesmen and recruitors.  I believe Theo Epstein with the Cubs is really gifted at this, and I think the Cubs have Theo (pres), Hoyer (GM), and Maddon (manager) all visit and talk with a player himself, not just with his agent.  They say that's really important for them:  do I really like this guy, is he smart, will he fit in, is he about winning or selfish, will he stay motivated, etc..  And it's important for the player, to meet the bosses and get familiar with the team and facilities that he'll potentially be a part of; and perhaps to be persuaded that if he joins he can contribute to, enjoy, and help enable a championship. 

I mention that because Gute comes across as a really warm, nice, positive, trust-worthy, sincere guy, really likable.  I wonder if Packers would consider revising their approach.  If there's a guy you're interested in, have Gute talk to him, have MM talk to him, have Rodgers recruiting him, having position coach and position-group guys texting and recruiting him.  Make a guy feel loved and wanted, not just Ball interacting with the agent?
 
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Kepler on January 13, 2018, 11:11:11 AM
Those are good points that actually may favor an approach towards trading because it takes most of the options out of a players hands.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 13, 2018, 07:28:02 PM
A big change that also would  help is lower level trades and mid level FA's instead of signing so many UDFA

Players with some experience and backup talent in place of the very green rookie
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Donzo on January 14, 2018, 05:43:12 AM
I think TT's lack of interest in FA, had a lot to do with overpaying players to come to Green Bay.


That hasn't been a thing for a long time, if it ever really was...

If anything, we've heard that the Packers haven't been interested in players interested in playing for the Packers.

The times are a changing, though... Gute will be looking to add free agents, we'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 14, 2018, 07:49:03 AM
I think TT's lack of interest in FA, had a lot to do with overpaying players to come to Green Bay.


That hasn't been a thing for a long time, if it ever really was...

If anything, we've heard that the Packers haven't been interested in players interested in playing for the Packers.

The times are a changing, though... Gute will be looking to add free agents, we'll see how it plays out.
Of course everyone is interested in playing for the Packers in the negotiating process, but things change when it comes to signing.  Green Bay can be a tough place to sell in FA.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: dannobanano on January 14, 2018, 08:25:49 AM
Players I'd like to see Gute try to target in free agency are:

TE - Trey Burton (Philly)

WR - Taylor Gabriel (ATL)

CB - Davon House (I think he'd come back on the cheap again. His 2017 injuries leave him with little market value), or DJ Hayden (DET), or Marcus Williams/RFA (HOU).


I think these players would be signings that would not require block-buster deals and would fit with GB's free agent signing philosophy.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: Leader on January 14, 2018, 08:47:15 AM
Players I'd like to see Gute try to target in free agency are:

TE - Trey Burton (Philly)

WR - Taylor Gabriel (ATL)

CB - Davon House (I think he'd come back on the cheap again. His 2017 injuries leave him with little market value), or DJ Hayden (DET), or Marcus Williams/RFA (HOU).


I think these players would be signings that would not require block-buster deals and would fit with GB's free agent signing philosophy.


I like the Gabriel possibility. He's got some quicks - but actually wondering whats up with Burton? He's honestly not hit my radar screen (which means next to nothing......) but I was thinking more of a guy like Luke Wilson of SEA. They're similar ages - Wilson's bigger and has better career stats. Which do you feel would bring better bang for the buck?
Whats Burton's game? Is he fast for a TE? I'll have to focus in on him in these playoffs.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: The GM on January 14, 2018, 09:45:12 AM
Players I'd like to see Gute try to target in free agency are:

TE - Trey Burton (Philly)

WR - Taylor Gabriel (ATL)

CB - Davon House (I think he'd come back on the cheap again. His 2017 injuries leave him with little market value), or DJ Hayden (DET), or Marcus Williams/RFA (HOU).


I think these players would be signings that would not require block-buster deals and would fit with GB's free agent signing philosophy.


I like the Gabriel possibility. He's got some quicks - but actually wondering whats up with Burton? He's honestly not hit my radar screen (which means next to nothing......) but I was thinking more of a guy like Luke Wilson of SEA. They're similar ages - Wilson's bigger and has better career stats. Which do you feel would bring better bang for the buck?
Whats Burton's game? Is he fast for a TE? I'll have to focus in on him in these playoffs.


Willson (Two L's)  they make a big deal of two L's in Seattle to separate him from Russell Wilson, lol).   Good call, hes a sneaky TE.  No sure how good he is in traffic, but  when they go to him, he's often wide open.   One of those guys you overlook but at the end of the day, his catches kills you.  Good football player.  Seattle will keep one of their tight ends either Jimmy Graham or Willson.   Graham is making 10 million, he had a good year in his contract year, but doesnt block worth a crap.  It wouldnt surprise me for them to let Graham go and keep Willson.       
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: dannobanano on January 14, 2018, 11:01:36 AM
Players I'd like to see Gute try to target in free agency are:

TE - Trey Burton (Philly)

WR - Taylor Gabriel (ATL)

CB - Davon House (I think he'd come back on the cheap again. His 2017 injuries leave him with little market value), or DJ Hayden (DET), or Marcus Williams/RFA (HOU).


I think these players would be signings that would not require block-buster deals and would fit with GB's free agent signing philosophy.


I like the Gabriel possibility. He's got some quicks - but actually wondering whats up with Burton? He's honestly not hit my radar screen (which means next to nothing......) but I was thinking more of a guy like Luke Wilson of SEA. They're similar ages - Wilson's bigger and has better career stats. Which do you feel would bring better bang for the buck?
Whats Burton's game? Is he fast for a TE? I'll have to focus in on him in these playoffs.

Burton, age 26, (6-3/235) has a 40 time of 4.62 and is the #3 TE, behind Ertz and Celek, and hasn't gotten a ton of playing time, but I watched him in weeks #13-14-15, while Ertz was out with an injury, and he put up good numbers (4/42, 5/71/2TD's, 2/15/1 TD).

For the season he has 23 receptions, 248 yds, 5 TD's.

By comparison, Luke Willson, age 27, (6-5/254) has a 40 time of 4.57, and has 15 receptions, 153 yds, 4 TD's.

I just think that there will be less suitors for Burton and his cost will be less than Willson.

Either way, I've got no qualms.
Title: Re: Brian Gutekunst new Packers GM
Post by: ricky on January 17, 2018, 07:51:51 AM
From PFT, an article on Gutekunst, how he became a part of the Packers (kinda funny), and some indications we could indeed see some new approaches to building a team: https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/01/16/brian-gutekunst-his-own-man-packers-gm/1037358001/