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Title: Revis available
Post by: JimATX on January 24, 2013, 06:53:47 AM
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Report: Darelle Revis is available for trade

Jets owner Woody Johnson is reportedly interested in trading the team’s most valuable asset, cornerback Darrelle Revis.

Johnson has expressed a desire to trade Revis, Jason La Canfora of CBS reports. La Canfora attributes the report to unnamed sources with knowledge of the situation. It’s possible that Johnson floated the idea in conversations with prospective general managers during the search that ultimately led to the Jets hiring John Idzik.

Revis is owed $6 million this year, which is a good deal if Revis is healthy and back to being the NFL’s best cornerback. But it’s Johnson could be worried that Revis will struggle to regain his old form in his recovery from a torn ACL. And La Canfora also reports that Johnson thinks Revis is going to want a lot more money after the 2013 season, when he can become an unrestricted free agent, and that the Jets might be better off getting something for him now than getting nothing for him a year from now.

If the Jets are resigning themselves to the idea that it will take a full year to fix the mess that was the 2012 season, then trading Revis could be the way to begin the rebuilding.
a - is Revis recovered from the ACL?
b - would you want him in GB?
c - what would you give for him?

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Jeremy on January 24, 2013, 07:40:54 AM
a-I don't know
b-no
c-nothing

Obviously he's a great player, but he's kind of guy who will take a $50 million up front signing bonus and then complain the next year that his base salary is too low.   

I think the Packers have good corners, and they won't destroy our salary cap. 
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 24, 2013, 07:49:02 AM
a) I don't know, but I'd venture a guess that he will be back and just fine. (See Peterson, Adrian)
b) Absoutely, in a heartbeat.
c) I'll give them Tramon Williams and our third round pick.

When you have the opportunity to get an elite talent, you do it.  They get a good corner who is under contract.  We get a great corner with attitude/contract issues.  Before I do the deal, I'm getting a new deal in line for him, probably at the expense of Finley and Woodson.  Maybe even at the expense of Jennings.

Reasons for doing this? 

1) Divsion WR's, Marshall and Megatron. (All hail Megatron?)  So when this deal goes down, Revis's new nickname is Optimus.
2) We had no clue against the read option.  One of the issues with that play is that if you commit a safety to stop the dive or QB run, you are manning up your corners with maybe one safety deep.  Revis takes away half the field and allows you to allocate that safety at the LOS.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Beast Light on January 24, 2013, 07:58:50 AM
I think I would pass.  We don't know what he will be like after the injury and the thought of making a heavy investment in a guy that is coming back from a serious injury doesn't not interest me.

With the Packers injury history of late, they should stay clear of this guy.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: JimATX on January 24, 2013, 08:40:12 AM
c) I'll give them Tramon Williams and our third round pick.
He is more physical than TW.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 24, 2013, 09:07:34 AM
After reading Florio, seems like a player of Williams caliber AND a third round pick would be too high for him at this point.  Just for what it is worth....

And the cap hits make it unlikely as well.

But that wasn't the question posed.  So I stand by my post of going out and getting him. 
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Beast Light on January 24, 2013, 11:00:49 AM
TT was supposedly really high on Revis and was set to draft him before the Jets nabbed him.  Instead we ended up with Harrell, if I recall correctly.

Maybe TT would look at this as an opportunity to right a wrong from the past.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 24, 2013, 11:06:36 AM
I think if we pose the question of WWTTD, (What Would Ted Thompson Do), the answer is a simple one.  Pass.

I think you are right, he did covet Revis.  But we were also told that he really liked Mario Williams and Reggie Bush.  He could have had either one of those guys if he wanted them badly enough when they moved teams.  At the end of the day, TT is all about the $.  And make no mistake, getting Revis would cost us something in terms of players, picks or both.  Then you have to deal with his contract demands.  TT just doesn't operate that way.  Thankfully....
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: mavajo on January 24, 2013, 11:55:53 AM
Obviously he's a great player, but he's kind of guy who will take a $50 million up front signing bonus and then complain the next year that his base salary is too low.   

This.  This is why I wouldn't do it.  The guy is one greedy SOB.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 24, 2013, 11:59:19 AM
Obviously he's a great player, but he's kind of guy who will take a $50 million up front signing bonus and then complain the next year that his base salary is too low.   

This.  This is why I wouldn't do it.  The guy is one greedy SOB.

Greedy and clueless. Did he really think his signature was worthy $15 mil and he only got paid $3 mil for his on field contributions. He has averaged the highest pay at his position over the length of his contract and he is playing out the entire deal.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Toddfather on January 24, 2013, 06:30:23 PM
I think if we pose the question of WWTTD, (What Would Ted Thompson Do), the answer is a simple one.  Pass.

I think you are right, he did covet Revis.  But we were also told that he really liked Mario Williams and Reggie Bush.  He could have had either one of those guys if he wanted them badly enough when they moved teams.  At the end of the day, TT is all about the $.  And make no mistake, getting Revis would cost us something in terms of players, picks or both.  Then you have to deal with his contract demands.  TT just doesn't operate that way.  Thankfully....

Agreed. Even if he liked Reevis coming out of the draft I don't see him getting anywhere near that mess. Not his style. Not to mention a move like that failing would kill the cap for us. When you take into account the resignings we need to do that is way too much money to shell out on a position we are good at.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: scoremore on January 24, 2013, 11:13:17 PM
Boy you can't just discount it out of hand.

The guy was shut down.

Think Revis will get a luke warm reception.

If I were TT just sit back and wait.  See what happens.

No takers maybe he offers a 3 with a deal in place before hand.

$$$ have to be right.  Possible Jets cut him outright try to clear some cap room.

Depends really on his recovery.

ACL's are a bitch especially for corners who rely on speed.

Tough deal and likely he won't be a Packer but hey got to at least do your due diligence.

Usually a 2 year injury so probably be just average next year.

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 25, 2013, 12:02:42 AM
I can't imagine the Jets would let him go for less than a 1st and a 3rd. A lot of 1st rd CBs don't have half of his ability. Something to consider is that the Jets actually have to work hard to sell tickets. Schlereth made a good point today saying that Revis is the only player on the team that people would pay to see.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: JimATX on January 25, 2013, 04:01:22 AM
From what I've read his cap # for 2013 is $9mm... Woodson will restructure or he is cut. No way they pay him the $9.7mm he is due. Those salaries become a wash and Woodson's new deal takes Hawks money when he is cut.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: claymaker on January 25, 2013, 05:01:00 AM
No.

If you sign Revis you have to give up Matthews or Rodgers, and you somehow get all 3 then you would crippling your salary cap. Both are better players than Revis imo.  As well as limiting the amount of "good" players: Pickett, Burnett, Sheilds, Hayward, Cobb, Nelson, and Woodson. 
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Beagle on January 25, 2013, 06:54:04 AM
Obviously he's a great player, but he's kind of guy who will take a $50 million up front signing bonus and then complain the next year that his base salary is too low.   

This.  This is why I wouldn't do it.  The guy is one greedy SOB.

I think he is to and to make it worse, if we did sign him for a good amount of money I think he would not honor the contract if he started to play well. Sort of like what T. Owens pulled with the Eagles.

He is a shutdown corner though..... Straight up, the kid has a ton of talent. It would be hard to sign him if he we got the chance......

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Terranimal on January 25, 2013, 07:30:47 AM
Been thinking on this. Actually thought his salary cap number would be higher than it is. If you basically trade Woodson's number for Revis, it's seems like a wash.

If this was a year back, would think hard about doing it. But our young Secondary is coming on strong. Shields took another step forward, Hayward looks like a star in the making of his own right. Then we have House coming back in the wings.

Have to ask ourselves, was our Secondary the defensive problem this year? I don't think it really was.

What we were missing was Bishop, Jenkins, and Collins. At least we get one of the 3 back this year.

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 25, 2013, 08:19:11 AM
It wasn't the problem last year.
But it was a problem in the San Fran game.  I'm pointing the finger squarely at Tramon Williams.  If you take on Revis, you probably get rid of Williams.  There really isn't much room for both, on the field, or under the cap.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Jeremy on January 25, 2013, 08:54:44 AM
Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the possibility.  Afterall the last time TT spent big on a free agent it was a CB. 

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Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Packinatl on January 25, 2013, 09:45:49 AM
league sources =  Neil Schwartz, Revis's agent
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Terranimal on January 25, 2013, 09:49:30 AM
Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the possibility.  Afterall the last time TT spent big on a free agent it was a CB. 

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Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade

It appears me too! I was just going to pst the same thing...you beat me to it.... :D

So..Thompson who doesn't hardly get his toes wet in free agency, might be in the bidding for Revis and willing to part with a high draft pick? The thinking is the Jets won't get a 1st and 2nd, but most likely a second round pick and maybe a player.......now which player would TT part with???? Williams, Hawk, etc????

Revis with the young corps would make for the best secondary in the NFL and would mean the end of Woodson's days here at the salary Woodson is getting. Would basically be giving Woodson's money to a younger Revis.....if this happens.

CBS is saying this is very similar to when Reggie White was becoming available and there are a bunch of teams lined up....but some of them are Jet rivals and they wouldn't trade Revis to one of them.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Packinatl on January 25, 2013, 10:00:27 AM
Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the possibility.  Afterall the last time TT spent big on a free agent it was a CB. 

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Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade

It appears me too! I was just going to pst the same thing...you beat me to it.... :D

So..Thompson who doesn't hardly get his toes wet in free agency, might be in the bidding for Revis and willing to part with a high draft pick? The thinking is the Jets won't get a 1st and 2nd, but most likely a second round pick and maybe a player.......now which player would TT part with???? Williams, Hawk, etc????

Revis with the young corps would make for the best secondary in the NFL and would mean the end of Woodson's days here at the salary Woodson is getting. Would basically be giving Woodson's money to a younger Revis.....if this happens.

CBS is saying this is very similar to when Reggie White was becoming available and there are a bunch of teams lined up....but some of them are Jet rivals and they wouldn't trade Revis to one of them.

His salary plus bonus money is not an issue, only $6M in 2013 . To your point Woodson $$  The issue in dealing for him is that 2014 - 2016 are voidable years so you would have to extend him at the same time you need to extend Rodgers, Matthews, Raji. 

Translation  ==  not happening
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Jeremy on January 25, 2013, 10:12:22 AM
Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the possibility.  Afterall the last time TT spent big on a free agent it was a CB. 

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Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade

It appears me too! I was just going to pst the same thing...you beat me to it.... :D

So..Thompson who doesn't hardly get his toes wet in free agency, might be in the bidding for Revis and willing to part with a high draft pick? The thinking is the Jets won't get a 1st and 2nd, but most likely a second round pick and maybe a player.......now which player would TT part with???? Williams, Hawk, etc????

Revis with the young corps would make for the best secondary in the NFL and would mean the end of Woodson's days here at the salary Woodson is getting. Would basically be giving Woodson's money to a younger Revis.....if this happens.

CBS is saying this is very similar to when Reggie White was becoming available and there are a bunch of teams lined up....but some of them are Jet rivals and they wouldn't trade Revis to one of them.

His salary plus bonus money is not an issue, only $9M in 2013 . To your point Woodson $$  The issue in dealing for him is that 2014 - 2016 are voidable years so you would have to extend him at the same time you need to extend Rodgers, Matthews, Raji. 

Translation  ==  not happening

We all know Revis isn't coming to Green Bay.  I just want to fantasize about it for a little while.   ;)

As for Woodson, I think I would just cut him regardless.  People are saying bring him back at a reduced salary, but I don't think he anything more to give, at least on the football field.  He was invisible this year before his injury and he won't be any younger next year.  He's maybe my favorite Packer player, but I think he's done. 

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Packinatl on January 25, 2013, 10:28:22 AM
Yep..he is not coming to GB.  I always get a good laugh out of these so called "league sources"  It is in reality an agent trying to create buzz and a market for his client. 

Reality:  Revis is in the last year of his deal, he will void his deal after 2013, Jets wont extend him and he wants a long term deal.  So as an agent, plant that team x, y and z are interested and create a market.  At $6m this year he is a bargain so they are in no hurry to trade him and if they do they will be asking for Manhattan & the lower East side of NY. 
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: cpk1994 on January 25, 2013, 10:43:45 AM
From what I've read his cap # for 2013 is $9mm... Woodson will restructure or he is cut. No way they pay him the $9.7mm he is due. Those salaries become a wash and Woodson's new deal takes Hawks money when he is cut.
No way TT keeps Woodson over Hawk. He certainly won't cut a leading tackler on the D in favor of a  over the hill CB/Safety.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 25, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the possibility.  Afterall the last time TT spent big on a free agent it was a CB. 

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Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade
This comes as no shock to me.  (Regardless of who the "source" is.)
I'm sure that TT is doing his due dilligence on the player, just like he does on every player who is available.
And ultimately, we know what TT does and does not do.  This would fall under the "does not do" category.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Terranimal on January 25, 2013, 03:41:01 PM
Perhaps I was too quick to dismiss the possibility.  Afterall the last time TT spent big on a free agent it was a CB. 

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Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game. One team also constantly mentioned by league sources is Green Bay, though the Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports, usually don't give up high-round picks.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/mike-freeman/21612943/gold-rush-forming-for-possible-revis-trade
This comes as no shock to me.  (Regardless of who the "source" is.)
I'm sure that TT is doing his due dilligence on the player, just like he does on every player who is available.
And ultimately, we know what TT does and does not do.  This would fall under the "does not do" category.

Normally and 99% time yes, would agree on that. Packinatl makes a good point of why he wouldn't also.

However, we are in Rodgers prime years now and we all saw how the organization wasted those prime years of Favre. So this maybe has a chance. With Woodson maybe done and Williams not his old self, I'd say this is possible...though maybe not probable.....it still has a chance however slim.

I remember thinking no way we would get Reggie White or get Keith Jackson to actually come to GB, but we did. Revis is being compared to White in terms of impact and what he does. It might mean the end of both Williams and Woodson, but would be worth it imo......
Title: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: B on January 25, 2013, 05:25:26 PM
According to Mike Freeman of CBS Sports one team whose name is constantly mentioned as being interested in acquiring Darrelle Revis by league sources is the Green Bay Packers, possessors of one of the best front offices in all of sports...
 
One NFL general manager called the trade interest in Jets cornerback Darrelle Revis “one of the biggest potential trade markets for a player ever.” He likened the growing interest in Revis to when Reggie White was leaving Philadelphia as a free agent or the Peyton Manning sweepstakes last year. That, basically, says it all about what's happening with Revis.

The possibility of a Revis trade, first reported by CBS Sports' Jason La Canfora, is no longer just a possibility, according to a variety of sources. The Jets are strongly leaning toward the trade and teams are considering giving up significant capital to get him.

"There's a Revis gold rush forming,” said a general manager.

Sources say one of the teams highly interested is the New England Patriots, but not even the Jets, who have made some screwy decisions over the years, would trade Revis to the division-rival Patriots and, in the process, hand them a Super Bowl.

Other teams highly interested, I'm told, are Denver, San Francisco, Buffalo (not happening -- division rival), and even Seattle, which already has some of the best defensive backs in the game...


Now, I have to admit, I doubt seriously that Ted Thompson will be able to pony up what it will take if this turns into any type of bidding war, but to me discussing a reported possibility of a trade for a premier the time All Pro cornerback beats the Hell out of instead beating the Lynch trade that wasn't dead horse... twocents)
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Packinatl on January 25, 2013, 05:32:58 PM
already a thread on this

http://forum.packerchatters.com/index.php?topic=713.0
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: mavajo on January 25, 2013, 06:18:15 PM
The thread title says that Thompson is reportedly interested, but the article never mentions Thompson or the Packers...  Regardless, I have no interest in this trade.  Even if we could get him for a song and a dance, he's going to price himself right out of Green Bay and probably make himself a huge pain in the ass in the process.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: grabthar on January 25, 2013, 06:56:38 PM
Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: B on January 25, 2013, 07:08:56 PM
The thread title says that Thompson is reportedly interested, but the article never mentions Thompson or the Packers...  Regardless, I have no interest in this trade.  Even if we could get him for a song and a dance, he's going to price himself right out of Green Bay and probably make himself a huge pain in the ass in the process.

Reread the first line. Green Bay is certainly named - as the team whose name comes up most frequently.

Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.

I think you are likely right grabthar
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: mavajo on January 25, 2013, 07:24:49 PM
The thread title says that Thompson is reportedly interested, but the article never mentions Thompson or the Packers...  Regardless, I have no interest in this trade.  Even if we could get him for a song and a dance, he's going to price himself right out of Green Bay and probably make himself a huge pain in the ass in the process.

Reread the first line. Green Bay is certainly named - as the team whose name comes up most frequently.

My bad.  I assumed that line belonged to you, since the balance of the article never mentioned Green Bay in relation to the interested teams.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 25, 2013, 07:27:20 PM
I don't like trading for an elite talent because you have to give up too much in return. Look at what the Bears gave up to get Cutler. Not having those picks has cost them depth and young, ascending, affordable players that are necessary in todays NFL.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: B on January 25, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
already a thread on this

http://forum.packerchatters.com/index.php?topic=713.0

Actually that is a NFL thread that is related to the Jets shopping him.

This thread is about a story today by a mainstream sports writer who claims he has heard the Packers name come up as interested frequently by multiple credible sources. It also links the idea that Ted who plunged into free agency to sign Woodson, could (though I doubt it) decide to make the big investment in getting a great CB for this defense.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Gregg on January 25, 2013, 07:42:17 PM
I don't think this is all that farfetched.

If you let Woodson go, and trade them Tramon Williams and a draft pick, its possible.

And if that is what is takes, I would do it.

If he is healthy, Revis is the best CB in the NFL right now.  He is so good that you don't have to double or rotate toward him for anyone.

If we had Revis, Hayward and House, we are set for awhile.  Let us not forget, we got both Marshall and Johnson in our division.  ANd you can just about predict that the Vikes will draft a WR number one.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 25, 2013, 08:53:21 PM
Revis signed a 4 yr $46 mil contract. He will have played out the entire contract by the end of '13. This means that he was paid  an average of $11.5 mil/yr making him the highest paid CB in the league over that time. That wasn't good enough for him, each of the last two years he has complained about his contract and threatened to hold out. Oh and by the way, he didn't even have to play out his entire rookie contract, with 2 years left on his contract he held out to get his current deal. If we trade for this guy and give him a new contract that makes him still one of the highest paid CBs in the league, I guarantee that 2 things will happen. First, he will complain about his contract/threaten to hold out sometime in the next few years. Secondly a more destructive thing will happen, he will have taught our young players that this is the most effective way to do business and get what you want. If Hayward has another really good season next year, does anybody want him holding out to get $12 mil/yr instead of playing out the last 2 years of his rookie deal? A key part of our draft and develop philosophy is that the young players are affordable for at least 4 years which allows us to pay the best of these home grown players top dollar once their rookie contracts have run out.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Crease Creature on January 25, 2013, 10:37:08 PM
What if we only had Revis for this next season? No one seems to be talking about that.

Of course, you see what the Jets want for him, and then what they'll really take, like a 2nd and 5th, or 3rd and a player, and then just have him for this season knowing you probably won't resign him to his next deal. If he's healthy and can play, he should play very well. He's going to be in a contract year...
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: cpk1994 on January 26, 2013, 02:06:30 AM
Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.
He had deals in place for Moss and Gonzalez so your claim is a myth.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: B on January 26, 2013, 04:02:20 AM
Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.
He had deals in place for Moss and Gonzalez so your claim is a myth.

Not exactly. I think the truth and mythology lies somewhere in between both your statements. Ted Thompson, like any competent looks at all the possibilities and explores all of them. He pursues or not, bids and stops where he thinks the value is for his football team.

While he may have gotten into the talking stage on Moss and Gonzalez (perhaps even Lynch), and even gotten hopeful, he did not have deals in place. Tiptoeing up to the edge is not the same as getting into the water. If the deal was in place you would have seen them wearing Green and Gold.

The truth also lies in your definitions. I find it hard to believe that one does not consider Woodson or Pickett top end talent, but if your definition is they got their king's ransom met in the first hours or day of free agency in a bidding war, then grabthar is correct. 
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: claymaker on January 26, 2013, 06:17:45 AM
IDK if you package in Tramon Williams, a 2nd round pick, and tag n trade Jennings it could be done. Hell give em Sam Shields too. This would probably make it not much of a loss in terms of salary cap. I would guess it would be close to even.

I think we all know what "interested" means in the dictionary when it comes to TT. He's probably just toying with the idea, and not actually even close to hell bent on making the trade.

EDIT: Oh yea and dump Woodson and this would probably be a cap friendly trade.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: GBP4EVER on January 26, 2013, 06:36:33 AM
Ok Revis is going to be look to be paid big time again. He is a UFA after next season and can't be tagged. With Raji, Matthews,  Rodgers, Jones, Nelson all due up in the next couple years how could the Packers afford Revis?
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: marklawrence on January 26, 2013, 06:55:23 AM
Ok Revis is going to be look to be paid big time again. He is a UFA after next season and can't be tagged. With Raji, Matthews,  Rodgers, Jones, Nelson all due up in the next couple years how could the Packers afford Revis?

Yup. +revis = -raji. This is the math of the salary cap.

Unless you view Revis as a one year lease. Then +revis = -(woodson+hawk).

Tanstaafl.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Packinatl on January 26, 2013, 07:12:45 AM
already a thread on this

http://forum.packerchatters.com/index.php?topic=713.0

Actually that is a NFL thread that is related to the Jets shopping him.



Well excuse me since the same article was referenced in the other thread
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Jeremy on January 26, 2013, 07:21:33 AM
Revis signed a 4 yr $46 mil contract. He will have played out the entire contract by the end of '13. This means that he was paid  an average of $11.5 mil/yr making him the highest paid CB in the league over that time. That wasn't good enough for him, each of the last two years he has complained about his contract and threatened to hold out. Oh and by the way, he didn't even have to play out his entire rookie contract, with 2 years left on his contract he held out to get his current deal. If we trade for this guy and give him a new contract that makes him still one of the highest paid CBs in the league, I guarantee that 2 things will happen. First, he will complain about his contract/threaten to hold out sometime in the next few years. Secondly a more destructive thing will happen, he will have taught our young players that this is the most effective way to do business and get what you want. If Hayward has another really good season next year, does anybody want him holding out to get $12 mil/yr instead of playing out the last 2 years of his rookie deal? A key part of our draft and develop philosophy is that the young players are affordable for at least 4 years which allows us to pay the best of these home grown players top dollar once their rookie contracts have run out.

FWIW, Hayward can't hold out until after the 2014 season.  The new CBA forbids any changes to contracts until after a players 3rd season.  So he'll be cheap for at least 2 more years.  I actually call it the "Revis rule", because I think what he did with his holdout was the reason for that rule.  His holdout was after 3 years, but I think owners wanted to nip it in the bud before it got out of control.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: B on January 26, 2013, 07:33:33 AM
You don't need to be excused, I assumed you meant it in good spirit, as I did not know about the other thread. I told you why I thought it changed from being a general NFL issue to being a Packer related item, but never intended any disrespect.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Beast Light on January 26, 2013, 07:52:31 AM
Even if Revis is a one year rental, he would be a guy you could tag and trade next offseason.  If he had a good season, you may be able to get more than you gave up for him.

Also, considering the production we have seen from some of our first round picks over the years, I wouldn't mind trading one for a known quantity ....though with Revis coming back from an ACL injury, there is some uncertainty.

I also like the idea of trading Williams for him.  That coupled with a reduced contract for Woodson (or release) would really help to offset the salary.

The defense needs playmakers and that's just what Revis is.  As long as we don't give up the farm AND sign him to a big extension before he sees the field, I would be OK with a trade. 
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Half Empty on January 26, 2013, 08:05:12 AM
Williams plus what?
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: GBP4EVER on January 26, 2013, 08:07:34 AM
Even if Revis is a one year rental, he would be a guy you could tag and trade next offseason.  If he had a good season, you may be able to get more than you gave up for him.

Also, considering the production we have seen from some of our first round picks over the years, I wouldn't mind trading one for a known quantity ....though with Revis coming back from an ACL injury, there is some uncertainty.

I also like the idea of trading Williams for him.  That coupled with a reduced contract for Woodson (or release) would really help to offset the salary.

The defense needs playmakers and that's just what Revis is.  As long as we don't give up the farm AND sign him to a big extension before he sees the field, I would be OK with a trade.
As I said before you can't tag him it's in his contract he can not be tagged.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Gregg on January 26, 2013, 08:23:57 AM
Renting him for a year is not a bad idea.

But the problem is the jets want to much for him for just a one year rental.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: B on January 26, 2013, 09:20:44 AM
As has been pointed out, a one year rental comes with no tag possibilities as he has that in the contract any team would get in trading for Revis.

If the Packers were interested in spending that type of cash I would much rather see them aggressively going after a different All Pro defensive back - Jairus Byrd UFA from Buffalo.

Neither are highly likely, but sure seems like a better investment that addresses a far bigger need on this Packer defense and comes without giving up any draft picks.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Eric on January 26, 2013, 09:23:28 AM
For all the talk that the Packers lack impact players following the losses of Collins, Woodson from two years ago, and Jenkins, this seems like a chance to steal a difference-maker.  IF the cost would be Williams and a third rounder, I'd make that deal in a second.  Or a swap of Packers first for Jets second rather than the third round pick.  Even with no Revis in GB next year, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams isn't on the team.  There is a lot of cap room coming soon.  Woodson, Williams, Driver, Jennings, Hawk, Bishop, Crosby, Kuhn, Finley, Bush, Pickett, Saturday.  I'm not suggesting they all leave, but in the next two years, who is still on the team?  Hawk, Bishop, Finley, and Crosby are the most likely, but they won't be at their current cap numbers.  I know Rodgers will get a huge contract, but it's not like he's making league min right now.  Same goes for Raji.  I think his cap number is around $5.5M right now, so he won't take much if any additional room depending on the contract structure.  Matthews is the one who'll see the biggest jump.  I agree with everyone that Revis in GB isn't likely, but I'm surprised people wouldn't be more excited if it did happen.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: JQ on January 26, 2013, 09:57:37 AM
I find it hard to believe that one does not consider Woodson or Pickett top end talent, but if your definition is they got their king's ransom met in the first hours or day of free agency in a bidding war, then grabthar is correct.

Woodson had been on the FA market for quite a while when the Packers finally signed him. Because of injuries, many teams thought he was finished and The Packers did not have to pay top dollar to sign him. I seem to recall there were also some "attitude issues" with Woodson back in those days. So he was a bit of a gamble.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Packinatl on January 26, 2013, 10:09:05 AM
For all the talk that the Packers lack impact players following the losses of Collins, Woodson from two years ago, and Jenkins, this seems like a chance to steal a difference-maker.  IF the cost would be Williams and a third rounder, I'd make that deal in a second.  Or a swap of Packers first for Jets second rather than the third round pick.  Even with no Revis in GB next year, I wouldn't be surprised if Williams isn't on the team.  There is a lot of cap room coming soon.  Woodson, Williams, Driver, Jennings, Hawk, Bishop, Crosby, Kuhn, Finley, Bush, Pickett, Saturday.  I'm not suggesting they all leave, but in the next two years, who is still on the team?  Hawk, Bishop, Finley, and Crosby are the most likely, but they won't be at their current cap numbers.  I know Rodgers will get a huge contract, but it's not like he's making league min right now.  Same goes for Raji.  I think his cap number is around $5.5M right now, so he won't take much if any additional room depending on the contract structure.  Matthews is the one who'll see the biggest jump.  I agree with everyone that Revis in GB isn't likely, but I'm surprised people wouldn't be more excited if it did happen.

Why would the Jets in the cap mess they are in want Tramon Williams and his contract for $6.5m this year and $7,2m next year.

And yes there is cap room available but to think that Rodgers and Raji will not get major pay hikes is not the case.   Rodgers cap number is only $10.2m next year and Raji only $6,1m   And did you forget that right behind Rodgers, Matthews and Raji, Nelson, Cobb and Jones are due for new deals
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: 57packer on January 26, 2013, 10:26:02 AM
First, it would not surprise me if TT had contact with the Jets.  He liked Revis coming out of college, and he's a value shopper.  I would not be surprised if he called to get a feel for the price.  Now, that price might well have ended the interest. 

Second, absent a renegotiation, this is a rent-a-player and that really cuts into the price I'd pay.  Nothing more than a 3rd.  Yes, I know he's "worth" a bunch more (and I'm sure someone will pay it), BUT it's about the contract as well as the player.  I don't have a problem renting the guy for a year at $6mil who is considered one of the best at his position.   

I think he can come back at or near 100%.  I highly doubt it happens with the Pack.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Bud on January 26, 2013, 10:53:10 AM
How's his ACL rehab coming along? It was an ACL right?
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: 57packer on January 26, 2013, 11:02:22 AM
Even if Revis is a one year rental, he would be a guy you could tag and trade next offseason.  If he had a good season, you may be able to get more than you gave up for him.

Also, considering the production we have seen from some of our first round picks over the years, I wouldn't mind trading one for a known quantity ....though with Revis coming back from an ACL injury, there is some uncertainty.

I also like the idea of trading Williams for him.  That coupled with a reduced contract for Woodson (or release) would really help to offset the salary.

The defense needs playmakers and that's just what Revis is.  As long as we don't give up the farm AND sign him to a big extension before he sees the field, I would be OK with a trade.

You gave me another thought.  TT trades for him as a rental deal.  Not sure of the price.  Maybe a 2nd and 3rd - I have no idea what it would take, but I doubt the Jets get what they think unless his contract is renegotiated.  Revis moves on in 2014 with a new, big, fat contract in hand and we get a 3rd Rd Comp pick for him to offset part of the price we paid. 

Still, bottom line is that I don't see it happening.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: GBP4EVER on January 26, 2013, 11:06:38 AM
Even if Revis is a one year rental, he would be a guy you could tag and trade next offseason.  If he had a good season, you may be able to get more than you gave up for him.

Also, considering the production we have seen from some of our first round picks over the years, I wouldn't mind trading one for a known quantity ....though with Revis coming back from an ACL injury, there is some uncertainty.

I also like the idea of trading Williams for him.  That coupled with a reduced contract for Woodson (or release) would really help to offset the salary.

The defense needs playmakers and that's just what Revis is.  As long as we don't give up the farm AND sign him to a big extension before he sees the field, I would be OK with a trade.

You gave me another thought.  TT trades for him as a rental deal.  Not sure of the price.  Maybe a 2nd and 3rd - I have no idea what it would take, but I doubt the Jets get what they think unless his contract is renegotiated.  Revis moves on in 2014 with a new, big, fat contract in hand and we get a 3rd Rd Comp pick for him to offset part of the price we paid. 

Still, bottom line is that I don't see it happening.
Doubt the Jets are dumb enough they don't think of the same thing. Jets will keep him if they can't get more then a 3rd for him.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: B on January 26, 2013, 11:33:18 AM
For the record, Charles Woodson was a premier free agent who signed a $52 million contract on April 26, 2006. The Packers outbid the Bucs for his services. Charles wanted a guarantee that he would play CB and he wouldn't sign for less than the  premium contract he wanted.

Contrary to the rewritten mythology, TT stepped up in a BIG way.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Bud on January 26, 2013, 11:42:28 AM
I worry about a one year rental based upon the condition of his ACL rehab. We just watched AP tear up the league but that is the exception, and I mean exception, not the norm. I'm not saying Revis won't eventually get back to his old self but that first year after an ACL injury can be tricky for a player.
Title: Re: Woodson's Replacement: Ted Thompson reportedly interested in trading for Revis
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 26, 2013, 12:46:18 PM
For the record, Charles Woodson was a premier free agent who signed a $52 million contract on April 26, 2006. The Packers outbid the Bucs for his services. Charles wanted a guarantee that he would play CB and he wouldn't sign for less than the  premium contract he wanted.

Contrary to the rewritten mythology, TT stepped up in a BIG way.

Thanks for this. That is how I had remembered it also. I thought at the time that it was a gamble to sign him to that large of a contract because of his injury history but he had been one of the top CBs in the league for years.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: grabthar on January 26, 2013, 01:09:55 PM
Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.
He had deals in place for Moss and Gonzalez so your claim is a myth.

Hmm, my claim is  a myth. Please please let me know which numbers that Moss and Gonzalez wore while playing for the Packers.  What's that? They didn't play for the Packers. Well, then I guess Thompson didn't trade for them then. That's all I said.

I never said he wasn't interested. I never said he didn't try. I just said he won't trade for top talent and to date, he has not.  He doesn't do the last minute "up-the-ante" that so many other teams do to get a deal over the top and get it completed.

As far as top end free agents, Woodson was not (only 2 teams interested and the other team didn't want him to play CB) and Pickett was not (only about 4 teams interested).  When he signs one of the top FA's in the market, then I'll change my viewpoint.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 26, 2013, 03:26:59 PM
As far as top end free agents, Woodson was not (only 2 teams interested and the other team didn't want him to play CB)

Woodson was however signed to one of the richest contracts ever given to a CB at that time. He was considered to be one of the best CBs in the game. He had been a multiple time pro bowl player in Oakland and has been to several more pro bowls since. He was DPOY in '09 and a defensive stall wort that lead us to a SB Championsip in'10, what exactly does it take to be considered a top tier free agent in your mind?  I think this more than qualifies him as a top end free agent. But hey, that's just my opinion. ;D
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: GBP4EVER on January 26, 2013, 03:31:09 PM
As far as top end free agents, Woodson was not (only 2 teams interested and the other team didn't want him to play CB)

Woodson was however signed to one of the richest contracts ever given to a CB at that time. He was considered to be one of the best CBs in the game. He had been a multiple time pro bowl player in Oakland and has been to several more pro bowls since. He was DPOY in '09, what exactly does it take to be considered a top tier free agent in your mind?  I think this more than qualifies him as a top end free agent. But hey, that's just my opinion. ;D
GB was coming off the 4-12 season that year. Most likely TT had to be willing to overpay to get him to come here. Give credit to TT for doing that. Now I don't see TT overpaying for a player (Revis) he does not need.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: JimATX on January 26, 2013, 04:38:12 PM
Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.

He had deals in place for Moss and Gonzalez so your claim is a myth.

Hmm, my claim is  a myth. Please please let me know which numbers that Moss and Gonzalez wore while playing for the Packers.  What's that? They didn't play for the Packers. Well, then I guess Thompson didn't trade for them then. That's all I said.

I never said he wasn't interested. I never said he didn't try. I just said he won't trade for top talent and to date, he has not.  He doesn't do the last minute "up-the-ante" that so many other teams do to get a deal over the top and get it completed.

cpk1994 is correct. Draft weekend, late Friday night (IIRC) Thompson (and the entire Packers front office) went to bed believing they had a deal in place for Moss which would transpire the next day during the draft - picks and what not. They woke up to find Moss headed to NEP. The likely answer here is that the Packers/Thompson got played to drive up the trade compensation for Moss. Similarly, Thompson hung up the phone with a verbal for Gonzalez... and once again I think he was used in the mix to get more compensation. Getting the better of Ted Thompson in a trade is almost as rare as any of the internet message board rumors we read about coming true.

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: grabthar on January 26, 2013, 07:32:49 PM
Won't happen. Just like the Randy Moss trade, Marshawn Lynch trade, Tony Gonzalez trade, and any other big name players. They won't be coming to GB.  Thompson won't sign a top end free agent and he won't trade for top end talent. That's just the way it is.

He had deals in place for Moss and Gonzalez so your claim is a myth.

Hmm, my claim is  a myth. Please please let me know which numbers that Moss and Gonzalez wore while playing for the Packers.  What's that? They didn't play for the Packers. Well, then I guess Thompson didn't trade for them then. That's all I said.

I never said he wasn't interested. I never said he didn't try. I just said he won't trade for top talent and to date, he has not.  He doesn't do the last minute "up-the-ante" that so many other teams do to get a deal over the top and get it completed.

cpk1994 is correct. Draft weekend, late Friday night (IIRC) Thompson (and the entire Packers front office) went to bed believing they had a deal in place for Moss which would transpire the next day during the draft - picks and what not. They woke up to find Moss headed to NEP. The likely answer here is that the Packers/Thompson got played to drive up the trade compensation for Moss. Similarly, Thompson hung up the phone with a verbal for Gonzalez... and once again I think he was used in the mix to get more compensation. Getting the better of Ted Thompson in a trade is almost as rare as any of the internet message board rumors we read about coming true.

Well, I don't want to beat this to death, but as far as I know, we have a bunch of internet chatter about trades being completed vs the actuality of a player being traded to the Packers. It is a fact that no high level players has been traded to the Packers. As far as the other points being fact, I don't know. I don't think anyone knows for sure other than Thompson and we all know he isn't saying anything.  I will put the fact on the table that Thompson has never traded for a high level free agent and let it stand on it's own.  He hasn't. That's a fact, not a myth.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 28, 2013, 07:25:34 AM
Anyone want to try to do the "cap math" for both the Jets and GB if we were to send Tramon Williams over there for Revis? 

Cuz TT isn't sending them high picks, he just doesn't do that.  But trading a player, for a player?  That makes sense.  Once we figure out the cap ramifications for both teams, then we can try to determine what the additional pick should be....
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Terranimal on January 28, 2013, 09:33:44 AM
hey Grabthar: I don't remember all the details on the Gonzalez deal, but do remember Thompson thinking he had a deal done.

Randy Moss- Again Thompson thought it was done deal and NE got him for a higher pick and was left out w/o getting a chance to up his offer.

Lynch was the one where think TT hit his ceiling of what he was willing to offer and Seattle outbid us and Thompson let it go by....

Too bad PC 2/0 is gone or we could go back over the million posts and retrieve the info.....
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Packinatl on January 28, 2013, 10:46:42 AM
Anyone want to try to do the "cap math" for both the Jets and GB if we were to send Tramon Williams over there for Revis? 



Simple answer....in 2013....Packers would take a $3.6m hit on #38's prorated SB but his $6.2M base + bonus is off the books....net savings $3.2M

We would have to pick up Revis cap number for 2013 or $6M

The tricky part is beyond 2013.  He can void the last 3 of his deal so you have to extend him again or trade him.  If he voids the deal I believe that the Packers would then get hit with hit "dead money" at $3m per for the next 3.  I know the Jets get the dead money hit and I believe the team that would acquire the contract gets the same hit
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 28, 2013, 10:54:54 AM
Thanks much Packinatl, I knew you'd come through!  So, initially we need an extra $3 million and change for Revis if we send them Tramon.

The key is to getting a new contract in place so you don't take another $3 million per year for three years hit to the cap in dead money.

Let me ask this, seems like Revis is in the catbird seat with that contract.  If he wants more money, he voids the deal and his employer is on the hook for $9 million, right?  What happnes if he signs a new deal via free agency?  Does the $9 million go away?  If it doesn't, there is no way he doesn't void the deal and he'd be foolish to sign any extension.  Follow? 
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Packinatl on January 28, 2013, 11:01:05 AM


Let me ask this, seems like Revis is in the catbird seat with that contract.  If he wants more money, he voids the deal and his employer is on the hook for $9 million, right?  What happnes if he signs a new deal via free agency?  Does the $9 million go away?  If it doesn't, there is no way he doesn't void the deal and he'd be foolish to sign any extension.  Follow?

YES Revis has all of the leverage.  If he voids and signs in FA the dead money stays on the books.  So the Jets have 2 options, trade him or extend him, if he voids they are screwed


Its really simple...you have to be 150% sure you can extend Revis when dealing for him

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 28, 2013, 11:20:48 AM
Wow.  That is huge.  Why in the world would he sign a new deal?  The only angle I can see that happening is if the knee is pretty bad and he can get more than $12 million guaranteed.  And something tells me a contract like that would come with a physical.

Me thinks the Jets are, well, screwed!
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Jeremy on January 28, 2013, 11:41:29 AM
hey Grabthar: I don't remember all the details on the Gonzalez deal, but do remember Thompson thinking he had a deal done.

Randy Moss- Again Thompson thought it was done deal and NE got him for a higher pick and was left out w/o getting a chance to up his offer.

Lynch was the one where think TT hit his ceiling of what he was willing to offer and Seattle outbid us and Thompson let it go by....

Too bad PC 2/0 is gone or we could go back over the million posts and retrieve the info.....

Not sure about the others, but here's the story on Moss:

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Randys-rant-was-almost-a-Packer-twice.html

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The offers from both teams were very similar for 2007, both around $3 million with additional incentives. Our proposal allowed Moss to make more than the Patriots proposal, although we had significant money tied to 45-man active roster bonuses, protecting us from injury if he could not play.

Our offer, however, required a second year in 2008. Moss and his agents were adamant that he wanted only a one-year deal. Having lost market value from his Raider experience, Moss would agree to a massive pay reduction for 2007 but wanted to hit the open market in 2008 coming off what he expected to be a big season.

The feeling in our discussions was that we did not want to rent Randy for a year only to have him shop to highest bidder in a few months trying to recoup some of his lost earnings in 2007. We discussed different ideas, but in the end we were insistent on a two-year deal.  While we haggled about an appropriate roster bonus to activate the second year of the deal, the Patriots relented on the length and agreed to a one-year deal. That was it; he was going with Brady.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 28, 2013, 12:02:25 PM
I remember reading that article.  But I just read it again.  And you know that I took away from it?  That gosh darned ego centric do nothing right hillbilly quarterback actually offered to give money back to the Packers, from his contract, so that they could sign free agent talent.   

...least we forget...
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 28, 2013, 03:39:16 PM
I remember reading that article.  But I just read it again.  And you know that I took away from it?  That gosh darned ego centric do nothing right hillbilly quarterback actually offered to give money back to the Packers, from his contract, so that they could sign free agent talent.   

...least we forget...

Favre retooled his contract several times in his career at the teams request to allow us to stay under the cap. It was always moving money around, from salary to a bonus type thing. I guarantee that Brett wasn't offering to give money back with out receiving later in a different form. Otherwise it would be as if he was paying part Moss' salary, Favre is notorious for being tight with his cash.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 29, 2013, 06:45:53 AM
Did you read the article?  It contradicts what you said, and was written by the guy who negotiated the contracts. 

I'll quote the article...  "I told Brett to trust what we had at the position; that Greg Jennings would be a star in a couple years. He said he didn’t have a couple of years. Brett offered to give up some of his salary for the following season – although that was his last season with the Packers (see below) -- to bring in Randy. I told that was much appreciated but we would never take his money away from him to sign another player."---Andrew Brandt

Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Terranimal on January 29, 2013, 08:13:23 AM
Soooooooo listening to ESPN radio this morning it sounds like unless some team loses their mind that there is no way Revis will get the amount of money he will want in a new contract.

And no way Jets get first picks either. It's sounding more like a 2nd and 4th round picks or some type of a deal with a player(s) and/or pick(s).

Maybe Thompson pulls off some of that magic again?  ::)
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on January 29, 2013, 02:10:17 PM


Let me ask this, seems like Revis is in the catbird seat with that contract.  If he wants more money, he voids the deal and his employer is on the hook for $9 million, right?  What happnes if he signs a new deal via free agency?  Does the $9 million go away?  If it doesn't, there is no way he doesn't void the deal and he'd be foolish to sign any extension.  Follow?

YES Revis has all of the leverage.  If he voids and signs in FA the dead money stays on the books.  So the Jets have 2 options, trade him or extend him, if he voids they are screwed


Its really simple...you have to be 150% sure you can extend Revis when dealing for him
Are we really sure about the contract being voidable?  Florio is reporting that the three years , $9 million kicks in only if he holds out.  He didn't make is sound like the Revis can simply opt out of the contract after this season and become a free agent.

Rather it sounded like if he doesn't hold out, the contract voids itself and the 3 years, $9 million goes away.

Thoughts?  I just want to make sure I understand his contract correctly.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on January 29, 2013, 03:01:40 PM
Are we really sure about the contract being voidable?  Florio is reporting that the three years , $9 million kicks in only if he holds out.  He didn't make is sound like the Revis can simply opt out of the contract after this season and become a free agent.

Rather it sounded like if he doesn't hold out, the contract voids itself and the 3 years, $9 million goes away.

Thoughts?  I just want to make sure I understand his contract correctly.

That was my understanding of the contract as well, I also didn't think any signing bonus money was prorated over those years so there wouldn't be a cap hit when it voids. It was just the Jets way of assuring that he wouldn't hold out. He still bitched about his contract and threatened to hold out anyway.

With regard to the Favre offer. He didn't know at the time that he made the offer that that would be his final year in GB. The belief at the time was that what he was offering was to move money around, at least that was what was said on the radio by the hosts. It also is what really made the most sense since he had done it several times before.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: TAYLORBOY on February 02, 2013, 06:32:01 AM
Back to the point of the thread of Revis.

What he does to make the team, Defense, better.  I think his addition doesn't do all that much from where we are to where he puts us.

I agree with B......Byrd does more in defensive team improvement than Revis.

No lost draft picks

Probably longer carreer in GB

Improves a position group than needs more help than the CB group who is young and ascending
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Ellis269 on February 05, 2013, 02:38:16 AM
Considering the relatively low cost to tag safeties and the fact that several have been franchised over the past few seasons (Branch, Goldson, Griffin, etc.) I'd be very surprised if both of the top two safeties (Byrd and Moore) aren't tagged. And as much as the player impresses me, the fact that Revision has been a turd about his contract since his rookie season makes me want to stay as far away from him as possible. Investing in a pass rusher like Paul Kruger would be a much better move with the current state if the secondary.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: vegas492 on February 05, 2013, 08:05:42 AM
So you are advocating that TT spend more money on an OLB than he spends on Clay Matthews?
I only see Kruger coming over if TT somehow extends CMIII first.  You don't pay another young guy before you pay your own guy.  IMO.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Antonio Andolini on February 05, 2013, 09:55:20 AM
Kruger is going to be expensive. He is also similar to what Perry might be, bigger OLB, strong, stiff in coverage, can play the run and power rush.
Title: Re: Revis available
Post by: Waynorth on February 16, 2013, 10:41:42 PM
Revis would make any defense better. Marshall and Johnson basically neutralized without a safety over the top on every play. Dom could really get creative with that in his back pocket.

Tramon did very well this year in coverage in those games last season, but his lack of enthusiasm for tackling is becoming a problem. If you let a player get away with playing soft like that it can get contagious. Maybe his shoulder was still a problem, I give him the benefit of the doubt and Joe Whitt is going to be demanding more from him in that area this season.

 With that said I doubt whether any team will be able to keep Revis' contract demands in check. With TTs well known caution with FAs contracts I just can't see him a Packer. I would trade any of our CBs except Hayward if that were to be a part of the deal the Jets wanted in return.