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Title: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 12, 2018, 05:30:36 PM
A lot of talk about............

Offense:
Jimmy Graham
Allen Robinson
Sammy Watkins
? who else ?

Defense:
Mo Wilkerson
Trumaine Johnson
? who else ?

Personally, my preferences would be .............

Offense:
TE - Crockett Gillmore (plus a draft pick). He's not getting a chance in BALT. Bargain UFA.
WR - Donte Moncrief. He's had a couple of injury set backs, but when he (and Luck) were healthy, he had a good year in 2015 (his 2nd year in the league)

Defense:
DL - Mo Wilkerson. Plenty of discussion here about him
OLB/EDGE - Trent Murphy (coming off injury, and has to sit with 4 game suspension), but he's an ascending pass rusher and may be affordable because of baggage
CB - Rashaan Melvin - 2nd tier free agent CB but has the size/speed/physicality
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 13, 2018, 08:10:58 AM
The initial first wave is so ridiculous. I know Allen Robinson is good, but he's also coming off of an ACL injury. Better the Bears than us!

Offense:

1.) Donte Moncrief - Would like to see him with more consistent QB play.

Defense:

1.) Muhammad Wilkerson - Mix him with Daniels and Clark and that's a fearsome front.
2.) Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie - Would solidify that outside spot opposite of King.
3.) Aaron Colvin - I think he can play on the outside.
4.) Delvin Breaux - Intriguing guy that at worst would be a 4th CB.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Gregg on March 13, 2018, 09:40:14 AM
I like Moncrief myself.

He would be really good with AR.

The other guy would be TE Graham.

You then release either Cobb or Nelson.  I mean with Adams, Moncrief and Graham, AR would be set.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 13, 2018, 12:28:48 PM
Dang. Colvin signing a 4 year deal with Houston.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 14, 2018, 02:03:46 PM
Now that we've had that initial first wave and considering that we have a very heavy need at Cornerback, I'm hoping we go hard after Rashaan Melvin. Seems like he put together a real good season in Indy.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 14, 2018, 02:48:29 PM
CB Options::
Rashaan Melivin...........my preferred player to pursue
Jeremy Lane and DeShawn Shead...............Pettine was a consultant for SEA last year. Maybe one of these guys is Pettine's kind of guy?
Davon House..............it would be another 1 yr stop gap deal. Is Davon willing to do that......again?
Marcus Williams..........I liked this kid as a developmental prospect coming out of NDSU. His market might be limited. Might be a bargain signing.
Byron Maxwell...........Throw his name in the rings as well. Man......did they break up the Legion of Boom, or What?!
LaDarius Gunter.........I know! I know! But he's a physical press-man CB (also a RFA..........has CAR tendered him or not?). Pettine might like his style/swag at CB.

WR Options:
Charles Johnson..........GB let him slip away at one time. Now he's on the market. Size. Speed. What's not to like?
Jordan Matthews.........not a burner, but gets separation and gets good YAC. BUF misused him.
Brandon Coleman........Think of it! Graham 6-7; Coleman 6-6; Clark 6-6, draft Courtland Sutton and youve almost got a BB team! Throw 8-10 yd jump balls all the way down the field. No one can stop you!  ;D
Eric Decker.........no spring chicken, but he's a veteran presence and still productive. They need that.
Jaron Brown.........another 6-2 WR who had his best year in 2017. Late bloomer?
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 14, 2018, 03:01:46 PM
Thanks, Danno. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 14, 2018, 04:27:24 PM
Packers have interest in Melvin.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/14/packers-interested-in-free-agent-cb-rashaan-melvin/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/14/packers-interested-in-free-agent-cb-rashaan-melvin/)
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 14, 2018, 04:52:45 PM
Not sure if they will look at any 3-4/Edge guys in free agency, but just in case.

OLB Options:
Ahmad Brooks............didn't do anything last year under Capers, but under Pettine?
Connor Barwin............I wanted him last year. Signed 1 yr/$3.5M deal w/ LAR's. He had a better year than CM3........bargain!
Barkevious Mingo..........is he a perennial tease? Maybe. Drafted the year before Pettine became Browns HC. He should know if he's a tease or not.
Trent Murphy.............Looked as if he was going to have a break out career, and then he blew his ACL and got a 4 game PED's suspension. Any one signing him will have to ride out his 4 game vacation to start the 2018 season.
Jeremiah Attaochu.........another player who looked to be becoming a breakout player until injuries derailed his ascension. He's got talent, but comes with medical red flags.
Sam Acho...........unspectacular in CHI, but........it IS Da Bears.............has the right "measurables" to fit in Pettine defense.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: RT on March 14, 2018, 05:10:45 PM
Not sure if they will look at any 3-4/Edge guys in free agency, but just in case.

OLB Options:
Ahmad Brooks............didn't do anything last year under Capers, but under Pettine?
Connor Barwin............I wanted him last year. Signed 1 yr/$3.5M deal w/ LAR's. He had a better year than CM3........bargain!
Barkevious Mingo..........is he a perennial tease? Maybe. Drafted the year before Pettine became Browns HC. He should know if he's a tease or not.
Trent Murphy.............Looked as if he was going to have a break out career, and then he blew his ACL and got a 4 game PED's suspension. Any one signing him will have to ride out his 4 game vacation to start the 2018 season.
Jeremiah Attaochu.........another player who looked to be becoming a breakout player until injuries derailed his ascension. He's got talent, but comes with medical red flags.
Sam Acho...........unspectacular in CHI, but........it IS Da Bears.............has the right "measurables" to fit in Pettine defense.

Murphy signed a 3 year deal with the Jets.

Mingo signed a deal with the Seahawks.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: phanatic1 on March 14, 2018, 05:27:35 PM
Good lists Danno.  For the WR's - Any interest in Terrell Pryor?  A huge risk, but could be a big reward.  Rodgers makes those guys better and adding another big target isn't the worst thing.  I know he disappeared last year, but the potential is there.  I think the possibilities are thinning quickly and really no one excites me. 

As for the CB's - I think you gotta get House back for another 1 year deal and at the very least he gives some depth if not as a starter.  And, other than Melvin, the others aren't difference makers.  I still think a CB is going to be the #1 pick.  With that though, I would look at Eric Reid as a S.  Yes he has some injury issues in the past, but when healthy, this guy makes plays.  I just have a feeling someone is going to come in and give Burnett 3 years and $20 million and he will be gone. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: marklawrence on March 14, 2018, 06:38:32 PM
A good pass rusher makes all your CB's look good. A good cb only makes himself look good.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: RT on March 15, 2018, 06:42:25 AM
Any of the CB population left in free agency are just bodies. The Packers may sign someone yet, but their will be no guarantees that they even makes the roster. Think Ricky Jean Francois a year ago on the DL. I get the yardsale mentality, fans getting excited over their new wornout work boots, but in the end the reality is they are just old and wornout.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: jbailey00 on March 15, 2018, 06:44:40 AM
Think Melvin would be a great pickup at CB.  Hopefully the price comes down a bit now that the first wave of FA's has been signed.  I think with his size / length / speed he'd make a good outside fit with King on the other side. 

I like the idea of Pryor as a WR option.  Given his bad year / injury last year, I think he'd come at a big discount, but still has the size / speed to be a difference maker.  I think playing with a great QB could really help showcase him as well.  I'd be good on a 1 year "prove it" deal or a 2 year deal too.  Would much rather have a guy that's got the possibility to improve than "just a guy" at WR.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: The GM on March 15, 2018, 07:05:16 AM
Melvin has had a a series of injuries that is concerning, he put together a good season last year in Indy, but before that was a mediocre starter at best.  Did the light come on last year?  Was it the scheme? Can he stay healthy?  Tough to know what you are getting.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 15, 2018, 10:44:45 AM
Yeah, hard to be confident a guy with so many injuries and who's been released so many times is going to be excellent. 

That said, "mediocre starter" previously is a pejorative statement, but perhaps shouldn't be? 

"Anti-awful" is a thing to consider.  "Mediocre starter" might potentially be a big step up, relative to Rollins, or Hawkins, or Pipken?  We might be so deep on the "awful" end of the continuum between awful and excellent, that guys who are "mediocre" or "below average" might still be massive improvements?   

I think the same goes for Jordy's spot:  we may be so far on the "awful" end with Geronimo/Davis/Yancey, that an almost-average guy might end up being a big boost?

Or maybe we're due for a terrific "+D" year?  Maybe with opportunity and a year of development, Pipken and Hawkins are ready to emerge as smart, surprisingly good corners?  Maybe Davis and Yancey are ready to emerge as pretty productive WR who make some tough catches and some explosive plays? 

Opportunity can be a huge thing.  With the CBA, guys almost never practice, and when they do it's against the Packers offense (some consider that kinda predictable) and the Packers receivers (some evidence that they are relatively slow).  Maybe once they get a couple of real games against real NFL-fast/quick receivers, Pipkens and Hawkins will pick things up fast and become not-too-bad? 
 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 15, 2018, 02:43:42 PM
Two things....................

1.) Havent heard anybody here say that Melvin (if signed) would be the savior of the secondary. What he would be is a veteran presence in a very young and inexperienced secondary. Something they are currently missing. House was that piece last year..........too bad he was dinged up often and not used to apply his forte (press-man). I would see Melvin as a short term stop gap, if they can afford him. And I could still imagine Gute bringing House back again if his market is real soft. I would still fully expect Gute to draft a CB of the future early in this years draft. Changing to Pettines defense would likely transition smoother with at least one veteran at CB.

2.) Why any negativity on Yancy? Allison and Davis are entering their 3rd year in then league. We pretty much know what & what not they are. Yancy is a 1st year player who sat on the PS last year. How can he be considered on the low end of "awful" when he hasn't even played in an NFL regular season game yet? The knock on him lasy year was he yanked his hammy early in TC, fell behind and pressed to try and catch up. In the process he had a few drops. He got stashed on the PS for some "seasoning". I have friends who are big Purdue fans and they were totally gassed that GB drafted Yancy. They gushed about him. His senior year stats at Purdue were 49 catches/951 yds (19.41/catch!!)/10 TD's. He burned the Badgers for 2 long TD bombs when they played that year. He's a bigger/faster version of James Jones........IMO.
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At Purdue's pro day, Yancey put some of those concerns to rest. The wide receiver ran a 4.46-second 40-yard dash, per the Pharos-Tribune's Mike DeFabo. He also completed 21 reps on bench, a 35.5-inch vertical jump and a 10'1" broad jump.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700388-2017-nfl-draft-unheralded-prospects-opening-eyes-at-pro-days (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700388-2017-nfl-draft-unheralded-prospects-opening-eyes-at-pro-days)
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: BTIdaho on March 16, 2018, 02:00:21 PM
Breeland from the Redskins failed his physical with the Panthers.  I wonder, depending on the reason for him failing, if the Packers might be interested.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Scott1956 on March 16, 2018, 06:05:41 PM
An infected cut on his foot. Must have been one hell of a cut.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 16, 2018, 06:19:59 PM
Needs skin grafts to fix it. How long does that take?
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: BTIdaho on March 17, 2018, 10:32:05 AM
I would say about a month to heal.   He is a pretty good option and fits the press corner that we need .
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 17, 2018, 12:43:50 PM
Weird.  If it's something that should be resolved in a month, and the season doesn't start till September, I wonder why they failed him and nixed is contract?   Glad to have another option to consider. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 17, 2018, 01:03:02 PM
...2.) Why any negativity on Yancy? Allison and Davis are entering their 3rd year in then league. We pretty much know what & what not they are. Yancy is a 1st year player who sat on the PS last year. How can he be considered on the low end of "awful" when he hasn't even played in an NFL regular season game yet? The knock on him lasy year was he yanked his hammy early in TC, fell behind and pressed to try and catch up. In the process he had a few drops. He got stashed on the PS for some "seasoning". I have friends who are big Purdue fans and they were totally gassed that GB drafted Yancy. They gushed about him. His senior year stats at Purdue were 49 catches/951 yds (19.41/catch!!)/10 TD's. He burned the Badgers for 2 long TD bombs when they played that year. He's a bigger/faster version of James Jones........IMO.
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At Purdue's pro day, Yancey put some of those concerns to rest. The wide receiver ran a 4.46-second 40-yard dash, per the Pharos-Tribune's Mike DeFabo. He also completed 21 reps on bench, a 35.5-inch vertical jump and a 10'1" broad jump.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700388-2017-nfl-draft-unheralded-prospects-opening-eyes-at-pro-days (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2700388-2017-nfl-draft-unheralded-prospects-opening-eyes-at-pro-days)

Yeah, would be awesome if a cat like that emerged.  Packers have been needing some +D guys to step up, but haven't often had that many who did nothing as rookies step up and become useful year 2 and beyond. Would be so helpful if Yancey did.  Supposedly didn't look very fast in camp, whatever he scored in combine, or stand out in any way.  Seemed like the media guys at camp viewed him making the roster based on his draft status and pre-draft qualities, but that based on camp eye-ball alone, he didn't stand out in any way.  Was he injured during the year?  Even late, after months with the team, they were still giving snaps to Davis and Yancey and Clark, rather than to Yancey.  If he'd been catching some eyes in practice, I'd have guessed they might give him a couple of snaps towards the end?  Or was he injured and unavailable by that point or something? 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: phanatic1 on March 17, 2018, 03:09:52 PM
The CB free agent pool dried up pretty fast and has left few options for the Packers.  To start, I think you have to bring back House and he gives you a good #3 corner and for me earned a spot after playing through all of the injuries last season.  I still think though that a corner will be one of the top 2 picks.  If Ward somehow falls down to 14, you have to take him.  Not sure it will happen, but he is this years can't miss corner by most accounts.   
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: marklawrence on March 18, 2018, 09:52:27 AM
Here’s a list of the available cornerbacks as of Sunday morning (listed in order via Rotoworld):

E.J. Gaines
Bashaud Breeland (failed physical with Carolina Panthers)
Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
Davon House
Delvin Breaux
Ross Cockrell
Adam Pacman Jones
Dontae Johnson
Byron Maxwell
Tramon Williams
Leonard Johnson
Jeremy Lane
Orlando Scandrick
Robert McClain
Alterraun Verner
Phillip Gaines
Leon Hall
Terence Newman
Marcus Williams
William Gay
Darrelle Revis
Marcus Cooper
Marcus Sherels
Brice McCain
Pierre Desir
Sterling Moore
Justin Bethel
Jaylen Watkins
Kenneth Acker
Bene Benwikere
Daryl Morris
Brandon Boykin
Sherrick McManis
Sheldon Price
Asa Jackson
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 18, 2018, 10:40:17 AM
I'm trying to figure out Marcus Cooper.

He has all the measurables you look for, he started well in KC, but for some reason fell out of favor, gets traded to AZ, where had a very solid season and then signs with CHI as an UFA where he becomes totally useless.

I'd like to think he has what Pettine would want in a boundary CB, but something just ain't right with this cat.  confused(
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 19, 2018, 08:02:40 AM
I'm all for bringing back Tramon and/or House and drafting another DB early in the draft.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: scoremore on March 19, 2018, 08:17:23 AM
Not thrilled with what's left out there.  Let the market settle maybe they can add a vet or two that can help.  Maybe even bring back Morgan if the numbers are right.  At this point unless we trade for a CB would be inclined to draft 3 of them and hope we hit on one.  Also have a couple of young guys on the roster already maybe one of them steps up. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Fargofootball on March 19, 2018, 12:23:31 PM
Every mock I've done has GB with at least 3 corners and 1 or 2 safeties. So reinforcements are coming.

Still need 1st round to be one of Edmunds, Landry or Esch. Then go bonkers on the defensive backfield.

If they trade back in rd 1 they can't go much further back than 20/22 to get one of these LBs.

Most mocks I've done has a 1st round trade, picking up a 2nd and sometimes a third is added if the right player (QB) has fallen.

Buf, Dal, Cin, LAC, have all been potential trade partners. There will be no elite pass rusher when our 2nd comes around and getting an extra 2nd from a trade
will likely be later than our original 2nd.

 Landry, Edmunds, Esch, Carter, Hubbard and Key are likely gone by 2 14 as will Ward,  J. Jackson, Hughes, and Alexander.

In mid to late 2nd (worst case) were looking at the likes of Davis, Oliver, D.Jackson and Averett at CB and Harrison and Reid at S. Could easily live with 2 or 3 of those plus find a couple tall pressure corners later in the draft.


Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on March 19, 2018, 04:10:37 PM
Every mock I've done has GB with at least 3 corners and 1 or 2 safeties. So reinforcements are coming.

Up to 5 DBs looks like overkill to me. Two corners and a safety does not. Somewhere in the draft I'd like to see one or two wide receivers, one or two tight ends, one or two pass rushers, one or two offensive linemen (for example, one outside, one inside), then depending on what is available, backup QB, RB, DL, ILB, even a kicker is a possibility, as Mason Crosby is 34 on 3rd Sept 2018.

Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: marklawrence on March 19, 2018, 04:13:06 PM
even a kicker is a possibility, as Mason Crosby is 34 on 3rd Sept 2018.

Seems like most teams, especially us, have had more luck with street kickers than with drafted kickers. Not counting that fat guy in Oakland.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Fargofootball on March 19, 2018, 05:09:05 PM
Every mock I've done has GB with at least 3 corners and 1 or 2 safeties. So reinforcements are coming.

Up to 5 DBs looks like overkill to me. Two corners and a safety does not. Somewhere in the draft I'd like to see one or two wide receivers, one or two tight ends, one or two pass rushers, one or two offensive linemen (for example, one outside, one inside), then depending on what is available, backup QB, RB, DL, ILB, even a kicker is a possibility, as Mason Crosby is 34 on 3rd Sept 2018.

 Not so sure you wont get most of that. 2 TEs is overkill as is a a practice squad QB. You need 3 solid CBs in this league and we might have 2 on the roster.

  I think it will go something along these lines:

R1 LB (Likely Landry/Esch)
R2 14 Josh Jackson if we are lucky, otherwise Davis and if we get a 2nd from a trade add Harrison/Oliver/Reid in 2 also
R3 12 WR D Cain
R4 1 OT Jamaro Jones
R4 33 TE Schultz
R5 1 S Watts
R5 35 OLB  D Armstrong or G Demby
R5 37 CB JC Jackson
R6 12  WR Koutee
R6 33 DL J Jones
R7 14 CB Facyson
R7  21 ST/ OLB O'Daniel from Clemson or ILB D Luca

Rough estimate but the defensive backfield needs a real overhaul. This draft would cover most the other needs.
There are few to no viable pass rushers after Armstrong.
The draft is deep in CB and S so that's where the value is.
Covers most of what your looking for.
I would suggest Crosby is around for several years and a punter might be in the offering (kid from Texas)
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: scoremore on March 19, 2018, 06:47:22 PM
agree with most of this.  We have a nice punter in Vogel.  All good no need to draft one.  Crosby has a few more good years left.  Not a need either. DL is pretty much set unless a real value emerges late in the draft.  At least 4 picks should be used on DB's.  We have 12 picks the more bites at the apple the greater chance we'll find a few players.  Way I see it...

OLB 2
ILB 1
CB 2 or 3
S 1 or 2
WR 1 or 2
TE 1 or 2
OL 1 or 2
QB 1

Something along those lines.  Of course all are positions of need.  Possible a talented RB falls and we take him.  Same goes for DL.  Take several shots at CB.  Odds of finding a starter after the 3rd round are pretty slim however the more bites the better the chances increase. 

Back to FA not really seeing anything out there.  Possibly bring Burnett back if he strikes out in FA.  At this point if we want a good player be it a WR or CB we'll have to trade for them.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 19, 2018, 08:01:04 PM
Fargo, I like your draft and think the front half is pretty realistic.  Edge-CB-WR-OL-TE are your picks through rounds 4; that seems entirely plausible. 

Once we're getting R5 37 and later guys, don't think those guys are going to contribute this season anyway.  Non-factor for this year.  If they are limited enough to be safe practice squad cuts, that's one deal.  But you can only keep so many red-shirt 6th rounders.

Not sure how much separation there will be between 6th and 7th round take-a-shot guys from this year, versus the UDFA take-a-shot guys from last year, like Pipkens and Donatello and Waters.  Maybe from quantity will come quality, and somebody will emerge above the others?  But might be kind of flip-a-coin guesswork as to who will eventually emerge; probably hard to tell based on small camp/exhibition observation.  And to some degree, some of the 2nd-year guys might have a little more familiarity so that *IF* they do need to get used this year, maybe they'd be a little more usable now?

But, that's kind of the nature with late-round picks at any position, I guess. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: marklawrence on March 19, 2018, 08:48:49 PM
12 picks is arguably too many - you can't absorb 12 rookies onto your team, and our PC will be raided if we try to stash real players there.

I expect gute to trade up a few times and make a total of perhaps 8 picks. I expect him to try to use multiple later picks to get another 2 or 3. Or perhaps trade up a couple places in the 1st, although that's harder to see.

I think we can all agree our #4 and #5 will stay. I think everything else is on the block.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on March 20, 2018, 02:31:45 AM
12 picks is arguably too many - you can't absorb 12 rookies onto your team, and our PC will be raided if we try to stash real players there.

I expect gute to trade up a few times and make a total of perhaps 8 picks. I expect him to try to use multiple later picks to get another 2 or 3. Or perhaps trade up a couple places in the 1st, although that's harder to see.

I think we can all agree our #4 and #5 will stay. I think everything else is on the block.

Mark, here is something we can come back to after the draft.
My prediction (not that different to yours, btw), is as follows (though it does rely on having partners who are willing to trade).

Trade down 4-5 spots in round 1.
Package lower picks to get up higher (or more picks) in rounds 2/3.
The first 4 picks are a combo of OLB, CB, WR, TE.
I expect 9 picks in total after the wheeling and dealing is done, four of them being in the first 101 picks.
I agree that at least the first pick in round 4 is not traded (due to the added value of being the first pick on day 3 of the draft).
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 20, 2018, 08:45:39 AM
12 picks is arguably too many - you can't absorb 12 rookies onto your team, and our PC will be raided if we try to stash real players there.....
I think we can all agree our #4 and #5 will stay. I think everything else is on the block.

Mark, I agree that the 53-man roster won't absorb 12 draft picks; but that doesn't preclude making 12 selections.  Between 53, PS, and IR, they can accommodate any/all of 12 selections that seem worth keeping.  They keep 12 or more rookies every year.

Six are really late selections.  You know you're not going to hit on many; but more likely to hit on one or two with six shots than with three.  So no need to get rid of bullets.

I view the "real six" picks through 5.1 as pretty much roster locks.  But the "deep 6" taken from 5.35-and-later are take-a-shots.

*IF* one or two looks impressive, you can easily fit them onto the 53.  Packer roster is very thin/shallow, so not hard to fit good prospects. 

Usually 6th/7th round talent who aren't impressive enough to win 53-man spots on weak Packers roster won't get poached from PS. 

Trade value for deep-6 picks is negligible.  If you add our top 5-comp pick to 4.1, maybe it moves you up 3-4 spots from maybe 101 to 97 or 98?  Trading any of our back-6 picks is going to make only small, incremental improvements in our earlier picks.  Doesn't change the landscape much.  (I love those kinds of moves; maybe it gets a guy who's a great fit and who our scouts love.  But still, picking 98 vs 101 doesn't really change the talent-plateau....  So I'm not sure how many of our back-6 picks are going to end up getting used in these incidental tradeups....) 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on March 20, 2018, 08:51:06 AM
.....The first 4 picks are a combo of OLB, CB, WR, TE. ..., four of them being in the first 101 picks. ...

That's a good perspective, similar to Fargo's.  I agree, in whatever order 3 of the first 4 will likely come from the OLB/CB/WR groups, with TE and OL also being among the first 6.   
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: RT on March 20, 2018, 09:01:33 AM
12 picks is arguably too many - you can't absorb 12 rookies onto your team, and our PC will be raided if we try to stash real players there.....
I think we can all agree our #4 and #5 will stay. I think everything else is on the block.

Mark, I agree that the 53-man roster won't absorb 12 draft picks; but that doesn't preclude making 12 selections.  Between 53, PS, and IR, they can accommodate any/all of 12 selections that seem worth keeping.  They keep 12 or more rookies every year.

Six are really late selections.  You know you're not going to hit on many; but more likely to hit on one or two with six shots than with three.  So no need to get rid of bullets.

I view the "real six" picks through 5.1 as pretty much roster locks.  But the "deep 6" taken from 5.35-and-later are take-a-shots.

*IF* one or two looks impressive, you can easily fit them onto the 53.  Packer roster is very thin/shallow, so not hard to fit good prospects. 

Usually 6th/7th round talent who aren't impressive enough to win 53-man spots on weak Packers roster won't get poached from PS. 

Trade value for deep-6 picks is negligible.  If you add our top 5-comp pick to 4.1, maybe it moves you up 3-4 spots from maybe 101 to 97 or 98?  Trading any of our back-6 picks is going to make only small, incremental improvements in our earlier picks.  Doesn't change the landscape much.  (I love those kinds of moves; maybe it gets a guy who's a great fit and who our scouts love.  But still, picking 98 vs 101 doesn't really change the talent-plateau....  So I'm not sure how many of our back-6 picks are going to end up getting used in these incidental tradeups....)

Good logic on all points craig. 12 picks isn't too many, it's just a numbers game in the late rounds. The more picks you have the more success you have, also the more failure you have. Give me 20 third day picks and if 5 workout it is an amazingly successful draft. Can't worry about the ones that don't make it. Just a numbers game.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 20, 2018, 06:47:23 PM
Finding a veteran CB will come down to either Davon House or Tramon Williams (cuz he has played in Pettines defense @ CLEV)

Packers will draft two CB's to add to the others already on the roster.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Shinesman on March 20, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
12 picks is arguably too many - you can't absorb 12 rookies onto your team, and our PC will be raided if we try to stash real players there.

I expect gute to trade up a few times and make a total of perhaps 8 picks. I expect him to try to use multiple later picks to get another 2 or 3. Or perhaps trade up a couple places in the 1st, although that's harder to see.

I think we can all agree our #4 and #5 will stay. I think everything else is on the block.

If Edmunds or Smith falls to ten or eleven, expect him to be trying to move up.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Starr2Max on March 21, 2018, 10:12:19 AM
Perhaps a touch off of the specific subject, but I wonder if there are any veteran CB's or OLB's out there we could trade for?  Say a team picks up a rookie in the first 3 rounds, making a vet expendable.  I wonder what one of our compensatory picks might be able to garner?  What about if we pick up Smith or Edmunds at 14, would Ryan be available as trade bait?
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 21, 2018, 11:17:26 AM
I'm staking my claim to Vander Esch at #14.

He has the versatility to play inside/outside, and he has all the measurables to become an impact player in GB.

Edmunds gets a lot of hype, and deservedly so, but Vander Esch is right there with him, IMO.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 23, 2018, 04:04:13 PM
Finding a veteran CB will come down to either Davon House or Tramon Williams (cuz he has played in Pettines defense @ CLEV)

Packers will draft two CB's to add to the others already on the roster.

Well, T-Will is back, and the word is they are talking to House as well. So both may be playing in GB this year.

Actually, it would make sense to have two veterans in the fold in case the youngsters struggle in Pettine's new defense.

They should still draft two CB's. One early (for proven NCAA performance) and one later as a developmental prospect.

It's not like the Packers have no CB's on the roster. It's just that what they have is young-unproven-developmental personnel.

It would be akin to riding an unbroken horse in an Olympic equestrian event.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: phanatic1 on March 23, 2018, 05:59:44 PM
I am interested on how the visit with Jordan Matthews went. I am not sure he fits quite with what the Packers are looking for, but he certainly is a talent.  I was  a proponent for Terrell Pryor but the Jets snatched him up.  Not sure about guys like Eric Decker or Jeremy Macklin and if they have anything left in the tank.  But a veteran guy makes a lot of sense
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 23, 2018, 07:29:44 PM
I am interested on how the visit with Jordan Matthews went. I am not sure he fits quite with what the Packers are looking for, but he certainly is a talent.  I was  a proponent for Terrell Pryor but the Jets snatched him up.  Not sure about guys like Eric Decker or Jeremy Macklin and if they have anything left in the tank.  But a veteran guy makes a lot of sense

Why don't you think Mathews would fit in GB?

If they spent the money to bring him in, I would think it's more than just to see if he fits.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Hands on March 24, 2018, 08:10:52 AM
I hate Green Bay bringing in a FA that's been hurt. With the Packer's luck with injuries....they are bound to see limited time due to soft tissue or worst problems.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on March 24, 2018, 11:01:12 AM
Matthews should be interesting, I don't know too much about him. I would assume he would be a bandage for cutting Nelson.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on March 24, 2018, 04:49:57 PM
Not sure I would classify Mathews as a bandage for Nelson.

His first 3 years in the league (with Philly) he was the league leader in yardage for WR's playing from the slot position.

It was the 2017 season where he got traded to BUF, and had some injury issues, that caused him to have a down season.

He's only 25.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on March 24, 2018, 05:56:44 PM
A deep threat to take the lid off is what the Packers need. Cobb is the slot guy.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Divot on March 24, 2018, 06:18:33 PM
Matthews has same size and speed as Jordy, and is only 25.   I wouldn't say Jordy was a slot only.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Big Lou on March 26, 2018, 06:38:05 AM
A deep threat to take the lid off is what the Packers need. Cobb is the slot guy.

Matthews is also a slot guy - it's where he's been most effective.  I don't see Matthews as a replacement for Nelson.  With just Adams inked long-term, it's a given that the Packers will spend a Day 2 pick at WR unless another move is made.

Also worth noting, but probably not in a separate thread, is the Allen Robinson's choice came down to the Bears and Packers.  He cited that location to his hometown (Detroit) was somewhat a factor (albeit a small one) and tried to use that as justification for taking the Bears offer.  I would be surprised if the Packers offer was anywhere in the ballpark of what Chicago offered.  Both Green Bay and Chicago offer the same distance to Detroit (I doubt he or his family are driving to see him play, instead of taking a flight), while Green Bay offers the better QB and chance at winning.  Chicago could offer more money and the role as #1 WR, and he took their offer.  I think the "decision" is being overhyped.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Kepler on March 26, 2018, 10:52:43 AM
Matthews and Cobb could also both be on the field in their most comfortable spot in a 2x2 receiver set. Philbin used those in 2011 a lot.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: footballdad on April 09, 2018, 02:06:26 AM
In response to the original question, I would think they should go after Breeland and Reid.
The way the market is going for S there would be a pretty good chance that Reid could be signed for similar $$ that Burnett signed for in Pittsburgh.
With free agency on the horizon for HHCD, do we really want to draft a safety to start then possibly be forced to do it again? Jones seems to be at his best as a situational weapon and he could be used that way while still learning the nuances of the safety position.
Breeland to me makes a ton of sense. Young,proven boundary corner. He is recovering from a cut on his foot, not a blown knee or chronic back or shoulder issues.
These two moves would drastically alter the need aspect of the draft. Other than QB,K,P,and D-Line there isn't an area that does not need a talent infusion.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on April 09, 2018, 01:06:34 PM
The Packers may have lost out on Jordan Mathews, but there are still a couple of WR's that are unsigned free agents, and that peak my interest. Either of them could lessen the need to use a high pick on WR in this years draft.

1.) Brandon Coleman (N.O.).....Big target at 6-6/225 and long arms of 34". His catch radius is likely close to that of Jimmy Graham. While he's no burner, his 4.56 "40" time at the Combine isn't shabby for a man his size.

2.) Charles Johnson (CAR).......Packers tried to stash him after waivers, but he ran off to CLEV and then to MN for 3 years. Last year he was at CAR. At 6'2/215 and with legit 4.38 speed, he could be that target to take the top off the defense that so many seem to clamor about.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: MO.Pack on April 10, 2018, 10:49:39 AM
Charles Johnson already gone and signed to the Jets I believe.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on April 10, 2018, 01:30:35 PM
Charles Johnson already gone and signed to the Jets I believe.

 >:(

I wish Over The Cap would do a better job of updating their info!

Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: Shinesman on April 11, 2018, 11:56:39 PM
I just read across the bottom line on NFL network that Conner Barwin is doing a visit with a team. I didn't know he was a free agent again. I hope we at least do our due diligence.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
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But CB Davon House has agreed to terms with the Packers on a one-year contract, per source
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on April 12, 2018, 12:48:49 PM
Interesting that House is back again. Before he re-signed, I was thinking that the Packers HAD to draft at least 2 CB's, one early and one mid-to-late and I still think they might, but considering the depth at the position in this year's class, it makes it less likely that they'll reach for one.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on May 10, 2018, 12:04:03 PM
Just throwing this out there.................

https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/994219451120865285?s=19 (https://twitter.com/FieldYates/status/994219451120865285?s=19)

Since they don't count against 2019 comp picks anymore.............

Still need an Edge rusher?

UFA's........Connor Barwin, Willie Young, Aurther Moats, Lamarr Houston, Junior Galette, Jelani Jenkins

How about Right Tackle?

UFA's........Chris Clark, Byron Bell, Chris Hairston, Khalif Barns

Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: RT on May 10, 2018, 02:11:05 PM
This date doesn't effect the Packers and several other teams in anyway. The Packers aren't in line to receive any compensatory picks in 2019 anyways, they could sign anyone at anytime without risking the loss of potential draft choices.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on May 11, 2018, 06:45:06 AM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000932238/article/free-agency-roundup-giants-waive-rb-paul-perkins (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000932238/article/free-agency-roundup-giants-waive-rb-paul-perkins)

Giants cut RB Paul Perkins.

Would he be an upgrade over Mays?
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on May 11, 2018, 09:29:53 AM
Unless Mays has some tremendous camp, I don't see the purpose for keeping him, or a replacement for him.  Why do you need four running backs, unless the fourth is some exciting ascending prospect?  If they envision Mays as somebody with special talent who's got a shot to be something really good, I'd say use that roster spot for somebody else (CB, WR, o-line, TE, special teams, there are lots of places you might want to keep a potentially ascending young redshirt prospect.) 

Jones, Montgomery, and Wiliams are enough, in my book, so not interested in Perkins. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on May 11, 2018, 12:30:44 PM
Unless Mays has some tremendous camp, I don't see the purpose for keeping him, or a replacement for him.  Why do you need four running backs, unless the fourth is some exciting ascending prospect?  If they envision Mays as somebody with special talent who's got a shot to be something really good, I'd say use that roster spot for somebody else (CB, WR, o-line, TE, special teams, there are lots of places you might want to keep a potentially ascending young redshirt prospect.) 

Jones, Montgomery, and Wiliams are enough, in my book, so not interested in Perkins.

I suggest that because last year Montgomery ended up on IR again (2 time in 3 years), Williams missed 2-3 games with a groin/hammy?, and Jones missed another 3-4 games with a knee.
Mays, when pressed into service, fumbled on 2 of 4 carries, with 1 lost, and a total of 1 yds rushing.
I prefer not to have to use Ripkowski as the primary ball carrier if at all possible.
If Rodgers does not have a reasonable rushing threat in the backfield, the Packers passing game will be far-far less effective, because they will become a one dimensional offense.
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: craig on May 11, 2018, 03:06:45 PM
Yes.  That was a bad, injury-oriented season, and there still was no use for the 4th RB other than the couple of courtesy carries. 

Seems to me that the odds of all three of MOnty, Jones, and Williams being injured at the same time is somewhat modest, and of all three of them getting knocked out in the very same game is even less. 

Not sure if Mays is the guy you'd want, or if he's PS eligible?  But it would seem to me that the practice squad is the place to stick your #4 RB, and then call him up if/when 2/3 of the other three are injured. 
Title: Re: What Free Agents to pursue?
Post by: dannobanano on May 11, 2018, 05:58:01 PM
Yes.  That was a bad, injury-oriented season, and there still was no use for the 4th RB other than the couple of courtesy carries. 

Seems to me that the odds of all three of MOnty, Jones, and Williams being injured at the same time is somewhat modest, and of all three of them getting knocked out in the very same game is even less. 

Not sure if Mays is the guy you'd want, or if he's PS eligible?  But it would seem to me that the practice squad is the place to stick your #4 RB, and then call him up if/when 2/3 of the other three are injured.

I forgot about Joel Bouagnon being on the team!

He will be the 4th RB.
We're good!