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Title: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on April 30, 2018, 11:53:46 AM
Starting a thread for transactions. Should be a fair number of them in the next couple of weeks and it would be nice to have a central location for them. First one,

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The Packers have released QB Joe Callahan.
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Post by: dannobanano on April 30, 2018, 12:11:54 PM
Saw that move coming when they signed Boyle.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Shinesman on May 02, 2018, 10:12:08 PM
Idk what they are doing with Hundley. No one will trade for him, delay the misery and cut the weight.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 03, 2018, 06:38:56 AM
Idk what they are doing with Hundley. No one will trade for him, delay the misery and cut the weight.

Their is a strong likelihood that your misery will carry on throughout all of the 2018 season. Unless Kizer absorbs the playbook much quicker than what is expected of him and plays lights out during the preseason, their is a high probability that Hundley will be QB2 for 2018.

 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 03, 2018, 10:18:12 AM
Yeah, I think there's at least a chance that they carry Hundley along for a while again, and perhaps have him as #2 QB due to familiarity. 

I hope that doesn't actually happen, though.  We know that Hundley doesn't have any upside or long-term potential with the Packers, so if you keep him, that means you're cutting somebody else.  I'd like to hope they've got somebody else at 53rd-man with the talent and +D potential that they end up liking too much to cut. 

As a fan, I'd like back-of-roster guys to be guys I've got hopes for.  (Even if dumb and naive!)  If St. Brown and Vazquez-Scantling make the back of the roster, I'll hope that these are talented, promising redshirts who are going to develop into useful varsity players in future.  But Hundley, I don't really have any hopes or anything to look forward to!  So I kinda feel like *IF* Hundley makes it, it's a sad sign because it probably means they don't have any exciting +D guys that they mind cutting. 

Kizer is supposed to be a pretty smart guy brains-wise; so I'm hoping he's a relatively quick-study. 
*He's already played a bunch, so the speed of NFL-game isn't new for him. 
*Because he got traded a while back, he's had more time to study than a newly-drafted rookie. 
*Given the price they paid to get him, Gute really likes him; and given that he's got a much stronger arm than Hundley, there will obviously be plays he can make that Hundley can't.  So it woudln't shock me if when it came down to cases, that they woudln't rather stick him in a game than Hundley, with the talent outweighing the playbook familiarity. 
*MM has talked about re-doing the playbook.  I don't believe that to actually be very radical.  But *IF* there is a substantial re-do of the playbook anyway, that might reduce some of Hundley's experience-advantage. 
*With every week that Rodgers doesn't get injured, that's more time for Kizer to practice and learn the playbook.  So even if he isn't totally comfortable by week 1, they may figure that will increase week by week? 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: JQ on May 04, 2018, 03:15:38 PM
Justin Vogel requests, and apparently is granted, his release:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/)

I agree with Zach’s take on this, although I can understand Vogel’s perspective as well. Here’s an excerpt from the Zach Kruse article:

”The Packers could have used the competition for a rookie in training camp. No first-year player is ever a sure thing, even if the Packers really like Scott’s ability. The hit rate of drafting punters is nowhere near 100 percent. Vogel would have provided a strong insurance plan.

It’s equally disappointing for Vogel. He might find an easier competition elsewhere, but the NFL is built on competing for a job, and he wasn’t willing to battle for his against a rookie. Even if he lost the job later this summer, a strong camp and preseason would have put Vogel in a prime position to get picked up elsewhere. Punters are claimed off waivers all the time before the season.”
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: JQ on May 04, 2018, 04:27:01 PM
Justin Vogel requests, and apparently is granted, his release:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/)

I agree with Zach’s take on this, although I can understand Vogel’s perspective as well. Here’s an excerpt from the Zach Kruse article:

”The Packers could have used the competition for a rookie in training camp. No first-year player is ever a sure thing, even if the Packers really like Scott’s ability. The hit rate of drafting punters is nowhere near 100 percent. Vogel would have provided a strong insurance plan.

It’s equally disappointing for Vogel. He might find an easier competition elsewhere, but the NFL is built on competing for a job, and he wasn’t willing to battle for his against a rookie. Even if he lost the job later this summer, a strong camp and preseason would have put Vogel in a prime position to get picked up elsewhere. Punters are claimed off waivers all the time before the season.”



In related, if not exciting, news:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/04/packers-sign-j-k-scott-hunter-bradley/[/url]
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 04, 2018, 05:36:22 PM
Justin Vogel requests, and apparently is granted, his release:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/)

I agree with Zach’s take on this, although I can understand Vogel’s perspective as well. Here’s an excerpt from the Zach Kruse article:

”The Packers could have used the competition for a rookie in training camp. No first-year player is ever a sure thing, even if the Packers really like Scott’s ability. The hit rate of drafting punters is nowhere near 100 percent. Vogel would have provided a strong insurance plan.

It’s equally disappointing for Vogel. He might find an easier competition elsewhere, but the NFL is built on competing for a job, and he wasn’t willing to battle for his against a rookie. Even if he lost the job later this summer, a strong camp and preseason would have put Vogel in a prime position to get picked up elsewhere. Punters are claimed off waivers all the time before the season.”

 

Surprised that they couldn't get a conditional 7th round pick for him.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 04, 2018, 06:05:45 PM
Surprised that they couldn't get a conditional 7th round pick for him.

I'm surprised at your surprise, since you are usually very perceptive. So, why not a conditional seventh? Because teams knew he'd probably be available for nothing at some point. And, that a lot of FA and UFA punters will be readily available before the season starts.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 04, 2018, 07:15:03 PM
Surprised that they couldn't get a conditional 7th round pick for him.

I'm surprised at your surprise, since you are usually very perceptive. So, why not a conditional seventh? Because teams knew he'd probably be available for nothing at some point. And, that a lot of FA and UFA punters will be readily available before the season starts.

You are correct from a timing standpoint. With the Seahawks, Raiders and Jaguars all drafting punters the Packers may well have been a week to late to try and gain a conditional pick for him. As for why would someone giveup something when he will be available for nothing? The reason is if the team that would like him for nothing is well down on the waiver claim list, in that case they will never get a chance at him for nothing if someone ahead of them should also want him. Secondly, if he does clear waivers he is now free to want a pay increase from his rookie minimum deal now that he has proven himself . A trade would give the trading team a punter for the lowest NFL salary for his year in the league for the next 2 years and a 3rd year on the dirt cheap.

Their is a recent comp for Vogel. When the Broncos signed Marquette King after the Raiders released him, they in-turn traded Riley Dixon to the Giants. Vogel and Dixon are very similar, both 2nd year players coming off rookie season that showed some promise.

http://nfltraderumors.co/trade-broncos-trading-p-riley-dixon-giants/

Comparable stats.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tabSeq=1&season=2017&seasonType=REG&d-447263-n=1&d-447263-o=2&d-447263-p=1&statisticPositionCategory=PUNTER&d-447263-s=PUNTING_NET_AVERAGE

As you can see, Vogel would be an upgrade for several teams. Here is a look at all teams punter depth.

http://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchartpos/P
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 04, 2018, 09:46:46 PM
RT, I thought of the possibility of a team wanting a punter upgrade so badly they'd trade for Vogel.The problem, as I see it, is that Vogel, though he had some good stats, also seemed to have at least one "shank" per game. The Packers said they'd drafted Scott they were looking for more consistency. Did they try to find a trade partner? I would think that is a "probably". But, again, was Vogel so special he'd be in demand? Apparently not. He'll probably sign with another team fairly soon. Will he make it with another team? We'll see.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Shinesman on May 05, 2018, 12:44:34 AM
Justin Vogel requests, and apparently is granted, his release:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/04/report-justin-vogel-requested-release-from-packers/)

I agree with Zach’s take on this, although I can understand Vogel’s perspective as well. Here’s an excerpt from the Zach Kruse article:

”The Packers could have used the competition for a rookie in training camp. No first-year player is ever a sure thing, even if the Packers really like Scott’s ability. The hit rate of drafting punters is nowhere near 100 percent. Vogel would have provided a strong insurance plan.

It’s equally disappointing for Vogel. He might find an easier competition elsewhere, but the NFL is built on competing for a job, and he wasn’t willing to battle for his against a rookie. Even if he lost the job later this summer, a strong camp and preseason would have put Vogel in a prime position to get picked up elsewhere. Punters are claimed off waivers all the time before the season.”


From what I understand Scott can be a place kicker in a pinch as well. Vogel must have thought his okay year was nothing scoff, or draft at. I'll take the Scott kid. He seems like the real deal as he won the field position battle for the best college football program in the land, and the toughest coach in the land.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Shinesman on May 05, 2018, 12:49:52 AM
Idk what they are doing with Hundley. No one will trade for him, delay the misery and cut the weight.

Their is a strong likelihood that your misery will carry on throughout all of the 2018 season. Unless Kizer absorbs the playbook much quicker than what is expected of him and plays lights out during the preseason, their is a high probability that Hundley will be QB2 for 2018.

I suspect you are right. Because for having such great luck at the qb position for almost 3 decades, the Packers since the MM administration took over they really have struck out on number 2's. Hundley really took us by storm with how bad he was last year. I watched for entertainment and to track our run up the draft board. How can they really keep the guy? He isnt going to replace Aaron, who can play at least another 5-7 years,  and he cant be the guy who can come in and win for 3-4 games to keep a season afloat. His familiarity with "the system" is null for two reasons: he didn't grasp it after 3 years, and they supposedly scrubbed the whole.playbook and started from scratch. So he is essentially a 4th year rookie with regression on his resume.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: marklawrence on May 05, 2018, 04:01:30 AM
I'm not at all a hundley fan. That said, in fairness we must admit McCarthy put him in Aaron's system, while hundley would have had a much better chance of success in a one read run and shoot. I believe hundley was misused.

I think it also worth noting this was also a big complaint with capers. He wanted guys to fit his system instead of fitting his system to the guys he had.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 05, 2018, 05:16:50 AM
I'm not at all a hundley fan. That said, in fairness we must admit McCarthy put him in Aaron's system, while hundley would have had a much better chance of success in a one read run and shoot. I believe hundley was misused.

I think it also worth noting this was also a big complaint with capers. He wanted guys to fit his system instead of fitting his system to the guys he had.

+1

Well summed up it just a few sentences. Hundley's failure is as much on MM for trying to make him Aaron Rodgers, rather than playing to Hundley's strong suits.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 05, 2018, 05:31:38 AM
RT, I thought of the possibility of a team wanting a punter upgrade so badly they'd trade for Vogel.The problem, as I see it, is that Vogel, though he had some good stats, also seemed to have at least one "shank" per game. The Packers said they'd drafted Scott they were looking for more consistency. Did they try to find a trade partner? I would think that is a "probably". But, again, was Vogel so special he'd be in demand? Apparently not. He'll probably sign with another team fairly soon. Will he make it with another team? We'll see.

Not sure why such a small comment on my part is growing into a bone of contention. If Vogel ends up in the top third in the NFL in punting despite the claims of shanking atleast one every game, that should make his value even stronger as he develops from his rookie season to a more consistent professional. It appears as more information comes out, that the Packers choose to avoid a potential awkward situation rather then waiting for a potential trade partner. I am not alone in this thought process.

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At http://BobMcGinnFootball.com : Rob Reischel on punter Justin Vogel's thoughts about his stunning change of fortune. Rather than wait for a trade partner, Packers acquiesced to his request and cut him. Rookie D5 JK Scott has been handed job.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 05, 2018, 11:30:41 AM
Reading between the lines (if I may).

My take on what Rob Reischel said is that 1) Vogel is an extremely insecure person who can't handle the fact that he has to "compete" for his position and, 2) by his actions, Vogel comes across as a prima-dona pain in the keester.

No room for that kind of attitude on this roster.

Wonder how other teams will view his actions/attitude as he tries to find a new employer.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: scoremore on May 05, 2018, 03:34:31 PM
He should have stayed and competed.  It's a mark against him.  However he's a very good punter.  Someone is going to sign him.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 05, 2018, 05:42:49 PM
I don't agree.  I think Vogel's got a career to think about, he should absolutely put himself in a place where he's got his best chance to make it.  And I don't think the Packers are that place. 

A team doesn't spend a 5th round draft pick on a punter if they love the job you've done; and if they don't basically lean towards keeping the 5th-rounder.  All ties go to Scott in this case, even if Vogel stays around. 

Plus, it's also possible that Vogel gets youtube and stuff, too; and sees that Scott has a huge leg that can do things that Vogel's can't.  Scott does have a big leg, and many teams don't have a punter with that capacity.  So, I don't see anything wrong with Vogel just being realistic, and going someplace where he'll have a better shot. 

Also, I think many teams have backup QB's or non-punters hold.  Maybe Vogel just doesn't like being the holder and knows he's not very good at that, and would like to shoot for a team where he'd maybe not be obligated to that role? 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 05, 2018, 05:48:15 PM
I'm not at all a hundley fan. That said, in fairness we must admit McCarthy put him in Aaron's system, while hundley would have had a much better chance of success in a one read run and shoot. I believe hundley was misused.

I think it also worth noting this was also a big complaint with capers. He wanted guys to fit his system instead of fitting his system to the guys he had.

I respectfully kind of disagree.  A team works on a certain type of offense all camp, and all offseason planning, and all season long.  Kind of hard to drastically remake the offense on the spot to fit a backup QB.  You kinda ought to get a backup QB who can fit within your system, because it's hard to switch mid-season. 

Hopefully Kizer is a much better fit?  I think given that he has a much stronger arm, I think that's at least hypothetically possible.  A lot of the Packers offense hinges on a QB who can throw the ball and has a strong arm; Hundley doesn't.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 05, 2018, 10:00:33 PM


Not sure why such a small comment on my part is growing into a bone of contention.


Because it's a slow time, there isn't much to talk about, so any comment gets extra scrutiny. No offense meant.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 07, 2018, 07:50:46 AM
The Packers are signing two of their tryout players: LB Greer Martini of Notre Dame and TE Ryan Smith of Miami (Ohio), per a league source.


Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer

Martini is signed to come in and STIR things up at the ILB spot, hopefully he was not SHAKEN by not being drafted. ;D

Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 07, 2018, 08:36:38 AM
The Packers are signing two of their tryout players: LB Greer Martini of Notre Dame and TE Ryan Smith of Miami (Ohio), per a league source.


Rob Demovsky, ESPN Staff Writer

Martini is signed to come in and STIR things up at the ILB spot, hopefully he was not SHAKEN by not being drafted. ;D

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Martini was productive at Notre Dame. Played all 4 years. His short area quickness is ok (4.43/20-shuttle and 6.89/3-cone) which could be helpful in run support, but his 4.78 & 4.81 "40" times tell me he'd be a liability in pass coverage. Sounds like a Jake Ryan kind of guy. Good for him though, to flash enough to get to training camp.

The word on Ryan Smith is that he is primarily a blocking TE and could be useful in goal line situations as blocker/receiver. He's not a burner with a 4.87 "40", but he did post career highs in 2017 in receptions (31), yards (356), and TD's (5).
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: green machine on May 07, 2018, 02:02:12 PM
The Browns claimed Vogel off waivers.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 07, 2018, 02:35:46 PM
The Browns claimed Vogel off waivers.

No surprise with all the GB connections there and being first on the waiver list. According to NBC Sports their were 6 claims in for Vogel.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 07, 2018, 03:00:25 PM
The Packers have already signed 8 of the 11 draft choices from this year.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-sign-six-draft-picks/
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 07, 2018, 03:04:09 PM
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Post by: ricky on May 07, 2018, 04:23:15 PM
Might the Packers be interested? The guy is 29, and could be some camp competition if nothing else.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/07/saints-release-coby-fleener/
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 07, 2018, 04:51:05 PM
Might the Packers be interested? The guy is 29, and could be some camp competition if nothing else.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/07/saints-release-coby-fleener/

Thought he was going to be a stud coming out of Stanford, but it just has never happened. As for him to GB or anywhere for matter, don't know if anyone is going to take a chance on him with the Sam Shields like concussion history. It has been 5 monthes since his concussion in a week 12 game and he is still suffering effects of the head injury. Just too many concussions to risk it, he needs to takecare of himself and probably forget about football.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: SSGCujo on May 07, 2018, 06:00:16 PM
Coby Fleener has had five concussions since college. He's probably done, unless the Cowboys sign him. I'm sure that Gute will see who else gets released June 1st. What ever happened to Maxx Williams?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: green machine on May 07, 2018, 06:20:29 PM
What ever happened to Maxx Williams?
Still with the Ravens but buried in the depth chart.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: SSGCujo on May 07, 2018, 07:13:11 PM
I know he's still with the Ravens. I just don't know why he didn't pan out. The Ravens drafted TEs' in round 1 and 3. My guess is Williams will get cut. Is he damaged goods?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Descartes on May 08, 2018, 11:40:16 AM
Severe knee injury.
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Its-Not-Always-Pretty-But-Maxx-Williams-Comeback-Is-Remarkable/4ce2067c-8918-41ff-9015-46d313495a6c
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: SSGCujo on May 08, 2018, 02:49:50 PM
It looks like injury has ruined another career. Too bad, he was good in college and his rookie year.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 17, 2018, 09:26:21 AM
And then there was one. The Packers have signed 10 of 11 of their draft choices from this year.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-sign-secound-round-cb-josh-jackson/
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Post by: dannobanano on May 17, 2018, 11:37:49 AM
And then there was one. The Packers have signed 10 of 11 of their draft choices from this year.

http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-sign-secound-round-cb-josh-jackson/

And so, 3rd round pick Oren Burks is the lone unsigned draft pick.

I know it doesn't make any difference, but I find it curious that the last 2017 draft pick the Packers signed was DT Montravious Adams, who was also the 3rd round pick.  confused(
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 20, 2018, 03:12:33 PM
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I would like to see the Packers give him a shot a CB, he would be a fan favorite in training camp for sure.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 21, 2018, 03:35:33 AM
Former BYU WR Jonah Trinnaman to work out for NYJ and GB this week. Packers to evaluate him as a corner.

I would like to see the Packers give him a shot a CB, he would be a fan favorite in training camp for sure.

Crazy athletic ability. Packers love those elite athlete guys. He is 6'0", 190lb, 4.30 and 4.31 40 times, 40.5 vert, 12ft broad. 
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2018/03/30/lightly-used-receiver-jonah-trinnaman-steals-the-show-at-byu-pro-day-with-blazing-speed-and-freakish-athleticism/ (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2018/03/30/lightly-used-receiver-jonah-trinnaman-steals-the-show-at-byu-pro-day-with-blazing-speed-and-freakish-athleticism/)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: scoremore on May 21, 2018, 05:35:58 AM
Former BYU WR Jonah Trinnaman to work out for NYJ and GB this week. Packers to evaluate him as a corner.

I would like to see the Packers give him a shot a CB, he would be a fan favorite in training camp for sure.

Crazy athletic ability. Packers love those elite athlete guys. He is 6'0", 190lb, 4.30 and 4.31 40 times, 40.5 vert, 12ft broad. 
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2018/03/30/lightly-used-receiver-jonah-trinnaman-steals-the-show-at-byu-pro-day-with-blazing-speed-and-freakish-athleticism/ (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/byu-cougars/2018/03/30/lightly-used-receiver-jonah-trinnaman-steals-the-show-at-byu-pro-day-with-blazing-speed-and-freakish-athleticism/)

Holy moly.  That is insane.  Doesn't do any good if the kid can't play.  That kind of speed can cover a lot of mistakes tho.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 21, 2018, 01:53:55 PM
Each year I wonder how far into OTA's before they lose somebody. This year might be a record, they lose one before anyone even steps on the field.

http://www.packers.com/news-and-events/article-roster-moves/article-1/Packers-place-DT-Mokofisi-on-reserveretired-list/3d3db8b8-0e38-4142-9f54-23fa25995783
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 24, 2018, 03:37:08 PM
The Packers are now back to the 90 man roster limit.

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Per his Instagram, the #Packers are signing former Jaguars TE Marcedes Lewis. Today’s meeting must’ve gone well.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: morango on May 24, 2018, 04:35:49 PM
Mercedes Lewis a Packer?


http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000934322/article/packers-signing-former-jaguars-te-marcedes-lewis

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 24, 2018, 05:25:42 PM
Signed. So, now the Packers have two new vets at TE, one who should be able to stretch the field, and one who is a very good blocker. Now, lets see if they have any interest in Mychal Kendricks at LBer.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777811-marcedes-lewis-packers-agree-to-contract-te-spent-12-seasons-with-jaguars
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 24, 2018, 05:31:08 PM
Signed. So, now the Packers have two new vets at TE, one who should be able to stretch the field, and one who is a very good blocker. Now, lets see if they have any interest in Mychal Kendricks at LBer.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2777811-marcedes-lewis-packers-agree-to-contract-te-spent-12-seasons-with-jaguars

Barring injury, cannot imagine that they would have any interest in Kendricks at all.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 24, 2018, 07:07:26 PM
The Packers are now back to the 90 man roster limit.

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Per his Instagram, the #Packers are signing former Jaguars TE Marcedes Lewis. Today’s meeting must’ve gone well.

Gives the Packers, not one, but two imposing red zone targets in Graham & Lewis!
Rated as the best run blocking TE in the NFL last year.

I'm thinking the middle of the field is going to be a lot of fun for #12.

This was a savy signing by Gute.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 24, 2018, 08:58:38 PM
Interesting, that was quick.  I wonder how much $$?  Can't imagine too much.  Don't think he's ever been used much as a target, right?  Basically a blocker who might leak out and catch one or two or three short passes? 

I wonder if that just makes it easy, and they keep all three vets?  Or if that might put Kendricks on the bubble? 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: footballdad on May 25, 2018, 02:33:02 AM
Kendricks should be safe. Great signing. Would like to see Barwin added as well.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 25, 2018, 05:35:33 AM
Interesting, that was quick.  I wonder how much $$?  Can't imagine too much.  Don't think he's ever been used much as a target, right?  Basically a blocker who might leak out and catch one or two or three short passes? 

I wonder if that just makes it easy, and they keep all three vets?  Or if that might put Kendricks on the bubble?

I have thought those same things craig. Does your roster perception and the construction of it change if you put WR next to Jimmy Graham's name? All the hand-wringing by fans and the need to add a WR to replace the lose of Nelson may well be for no reason at all. When the Packers go to a 3 WR set, the 3 WR's will be Adams, Cobb and Graham. When that reality sets in for fans is their any need to sign a veteran WR? As for Kendricks, I have felt since season end that they may be looking to replace him, still not sure of the Packers thought process on that one. Backup TE's typically need to be heavy contributors on ST's, not an ideal position for 30 somethings in the NFL.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 25, 2018, 10:42:46 AM
Given the lack of a good WR opposite Adams, and the complementary abilities of TE Graham as a pass catcher, and Lewis as a blocker, I forsee a significant amount of Graham and Lewis on the field together.

You can split Graham out wide and have Lewis blocking. Adams +Graham +Cobb catching passes, with Lewis able to leak out with a block-and-release for the occasional catch, and Montgomery who might run it out the backfield or catch the ball more like a receiver, or stay at home and block. that could work.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 25, 2018, 10:51:22 AM
Does this complicate the mix of the "other" WR's GB might be keeping (Allison, Clark, Moore, MVS, ESB)??

Or, does it send a signal to Cobb that he needs to be "lights out" to keep from being cut (especially in light of the Packers wanting to play Adams significantly more from the slot).??

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/23/aaron-rodgers-expects-more-snaps-from-the-slot-for-wr-davante-adams/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/05/23/aaron-rodgers-expects-more-snaps-from-the-slot-for-wr-davante-adams/)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Twain on May 25, 2018, 04:51:34 PM
I don't see this signing as a threat to Kendricks.  Tight ends are useful as a they are big bodies with athleticism.

For a spot that was very thin at the start of free agency, they have done a good job of filling it in.  I feel much better about the position with the three vets and then some competition for a fourth and maybe fifth spot between some developmental players.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 25, 2018, 05:24:37 PM
Does this complicate the mix of the "other" WR's GB might be keeping (Allison, Clark, Moore, MVS, ESB)??
Or, does it send a signal to Cobb that he needs to be "lights out" to keep from being cut ...

No, re Cobb
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 25, 2018, 06:09:57 PM
....Does your roster perception and the construction of it change if you put WR next to Jimmy Graham's name? All the hand-wringing by fans and the need to add a WR to replace the lose of Nelson may well be for no reason at all. When the Packers go to a 3 WR set, the 3 WR's will be Adams, Cobb and Graham. When that reality sets in for fans is their any need to sign a veteran WR? ....

Given the lack of a good WR opposite Adams, and the complementary abilities of TE Graham as a pass catcher, and Lewis as a blocker, I forsee a significant amount of Graham and Lewis on the field together.

You can split Graham out wide and have Lewis blocking. Adams +Graham +Cobb catching passes, with Lewis able to leak out with a block-and-release for the occasional catch, and Montgomery who might run it out the backfield or catch the ball more like a receiver, or stay at home and block. that could work.

Thanks for both posts.  Objective. 

Some mixed feelings, myself, though.  Sure, you can call Graham 3rd WR, and say all is well, you've got all the receivers you want.  And Yes, I expect MM will run plenty of Graham/receiver/receiver sets. 
**Lewis is a blocker, not a catcher.  Hasn't exceeded 25 catches since 2012.  Isn't he a lineman who averages 1 catch per game, and your chance to play U-71 as your staple offense? 
**Aaron Rodgers is great and the reason the Packers can consider themselves Super Bowl contenders.  Is playing U-71 all the time with only 3 targets optimal use of Rodgers greatness?
**Rodgers says he throws to the open guy.  Is sending out only 3 targets against nickel and dime defenses a great way to enable any of Graham/Adams/Cobb to get open? 
**Graham's a not-young TE.  Cobb and Adams aren't fast.  Does using that 3-receiver set give you any downfield clearance?  I understand speed isn't everything, see Janis.  Going with with Graham as your 3rd speed-WR and Lewis as your TE, that's not going to be life in the fast lane. 

I guess part of me wonders if Rodgers and the offense might benefit by sometimes using 4 targets like back in the Finley days?  Going downfield sometimes? Putting out a receiving TE plus three WR?  Creating some 1-on-1's? 

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 26, 2018, 02:19:39 AM
For me, the problems in fielding a competitive receiver group (WRs and TEs) is especially acute this year. While I think Graham+Adams+Cobb helps the Packers get over the early games, J'mon Moore could get some snaps as the WR opposite Adams. I don't expect to see Valdez-Scantling or St.Brown playing WR much in 2018.

The problem with having TEs Graham and Lewis is that Lewis is pretty much a pure blocker while Graham is a pure receiver. The Packers lack a decent do-it-all guy, so I expect plenty of 2xTE sets. I also expect creative use of Ty Montgomery coming out of the backfield and catching the ball. I don't think he will ever be a true WR again, but he can be a good utility piece catching and running (and hopefully blocking). The blocking of the RBs is another reason to see plenty of TE Lewis, it isn't good. FB Ripkowski can sub for Lewis as a pass blocker, if needed, at least HE can block.

Thinking of how the 11 players on the field stack up, OL+Lewis is 6, QB makes 7, Adams and Graham wide, Cobb in the slot, makes 10 and RB Monty is 11, that might be the best pass catchers on the field right there (while still keeping a 6th man in to pass block). As a changeup, slide in WR Moore for TE Graham sometimes, and switch TE Lewis and RB Montgomery for FB Ripkowski and RB Jones or Williams. It's workable, but has drawbacks in being a short-term fix, and lacking much depth if anyone goes down.

Next draft, as much as the Packers are desperate for another top pass rusher, a starter-level TE is needed and probably  a starter-level WR opposite Adams (that is if Moore doesn't bust out as someone good enough to be a starter outside). In the near future, Lewis, Graham and Cobb are all probably gone, and it is very difficult to replace three offensive starters in one year with rookies, even talented ones. If the Packers don't hit on one of their rookie receivers this year (and their recent record with later WR picks is bad), they'll need another WR starter as well, which is why there are a lot of hopes pinned on Moore, or less likely, Valdez-Scantling and St.Brown, to make a successful transition to the NFL.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: scoremore on May 26, 2018, 04:23:37 AM
Love how everyone seemingly writes off the new group of Packer receivers merely because of draft position.  OK look at the odds of a late round pick making an impact that's the argument.  Looking at EQ I see an extremely athletic and highly intelligent guy.  Had he been drafted in the 2nd round everyone would automatically anoint him as the next great Packer receiver.  But because he was drafted in the 6th he's trash.  See no reason why he shouldn't succeed in the NFL. 

We have enough guys to work with at WR.  Develop what we have no need to draft anymore of them.  Think Moore and EQ are both going to hit.  Scantling might need a little more time. Don't care where they were picked shouldn't matter.  TE is another story.  Next year the Pack will have to draft a couple of guys there.

Not just looking through green and gold glasses.  Was luke warm on the WR's taken last year.  Liked Yancey actually.  Seems like a good future possession receiver.  This new group of guys has me much more excited.  EQ intelligent (Aaron is going to love this kid), Moore has got that shifty Greg Jennings type quality to him, and Scantling is just a blazing fast  guy who should excel at special teams right away.  His greatest attribute besides his speed is his attitude. 

Takes a few years to develop these guys.  We'll get some early returns most likely from Moore.  Given time to acclimate to the NFL all 3 have the tools to succeed.  Ultimately think EQ might end up being the best of the bunch and could eventually be our #1 guy.  Kid is going to be a stud.  In a weak WR class Gute managed to pluck out some really fine prospects.  We can all comment one way or another but won't really know what we have for a few years.  Just my opinion after digging around and studying these guys.

Point is don't just look at draft position look at the player.  If Cobb goes next year one of these guys will be ready to pick up the mantle.  Think the future is set at WR.  TE obviously is not.  Looking at next year's draft TE, OT, OLB, RB will be the targets. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 26, 2018, 05:32:43 AM
For me, the problems in fielding a competitive receiver group (WRs and TEs) is especially acute this year. While I think Graham+Adams+Cobb helps the Packers get over the early games, J'mon Moore could get some snaps as the WR opposite Adams. I don't expect to see Valdez-Scantling or St.Brown playing WR much in 2018.

The problem with having TEs Graham and Lewis is that Lewis is pretty much a pure blocker while Graham is a pure receiver. The Packers lack a decent do-it-all guy, so I expect plenty of 2xTE sets. I also expect creative use of Ty Montgomery coming out of the backfield and catching the ball. I don't think he will ever be a true WR again, but he can be a good utility piece catching and running (and hopefully blocking). The blocking of the RBs is another reason to see plenty of TE Lewis, it isn't good. FB Ripkowski can sub for Lewis as a pass blocker, if needed, at least HE can block.

Thinking of how the 11 players on the field stack up, OL+Lewis is 6, QB makes 7, Adams and Graham wide, Cobb in the slot, makes 10 and RB Monty is 11, that might be the best pass catchers on the field right there (while still keeping a 6th man in to pass block). As a changeup, slide in WR Moore for TE Graham sometimes, and switch TE Lewis and RB Montgomery for FB Ripkowski and RB Jones or Williams. It's workable, but has drawbacks in being a short-term fix, and lacking much depth if anyone goes down.

Next draft, as much as the Packers are desperate for another top pass rusher, a starter-level TE is needed and probably  a starter-level WR opposite Adams (that is if Moore doesn't bust out as someone good enough to be a starter outside). In the near future, Lewis, Graham and Cobb are all probably gone, and it is very difficult to replace three offensive starters in one year with rookies, even talented ones. If the Packers don't hit on one of their rookie receivers this year (and their recent record with later WR picks is bad), they'll need another WR starter as well, which is why there are a lot of hopes pinned on Moore, or less likely, Valdez-Scantling and St.Brown, to make a successful transition to the NFL.

I think too many folks are writing off Lewis as a receiver simply because he is such a good blocker and that's how he was mostly used in JAX.

Lost in the weeds is his pro-bowl season of 2010 where he had 58 receptions/700 yds/10 TDs, and that from and that from 2007 thru 2012 his reception totals were 37-41-32-58-39-52. So he has shown over his career that he can be a factor in the passing game.

His he Jimmy Graham? Heck no! But is that what GB wants him to be? Heck No! I suspect that his presence on the field with Graham and others will compel defenses to respect the running game, which should open up a lot more plat action opportunities for #12.

We also have to consider that over his career in JAX, Lewis has had David Garrard, Blaine Gabbert, Chad Henne, and Blake Bortles as his starting quarterbacks.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 26, 2018, 08:22:30 AM
Here's a great article on how the Packers could use Lewis in the Packers offensive game planning.

http://packerstalk.com/2018/05/25/packers-football-friday-marcedes-lewis-an-amove/ (http://packerstalk.com/2018/05/25/packers-football-friday-marcedes-lewis-an-amove/)


I expect we will see quite a bit of the 12 and 13 formations (2 TE's and 3 TE's), especially in the red zone, and that's where Marcedes Lewis will be dangerous. He's a big target, like Graham, but he could become the forgotten man by defenses as they devote extra coverage to stop Graham and Davante, and still have to respect the run with Lewis in line as an extra blocker. He can stay in line for a count-or-two and then slip out in the flat or just behind the LB's in the middle of the field. A big body target, with a big wing-span, he can wall off defenders and make easy catches.

Don't be shocked if Lewis ends up with 8-10 TD's receptions this year.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 26, 2018, 09:09:31 AM
... OL+Lewis is 6, QB makes 7, Adams and Graham wide, Cobb in the slot, makes 10 and RB Monty is 11, that might be the best pass catchers on the field right there (while still keeping a 6th man in to pass block). ...

Yeah, that might be a group that's used a lot, and it might work really well.  Could be a strong RPO group; the defense doesn't know what you'r going to do. 

The one thing the defense probably knows you're NOT going to do is go very vertical.  Graham may be a lot of things, but he's not a deep burner.  Neither is Adams or Cobb.  So I think you're at risk that the secondary can really compress.  Less and less space underneath. 

O well, can't have everything.  And as many have said, this might be really good for red-zone where the vertical Y-axis isn't available anyway. 




Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 26, 2018, 09:19:34 AM
Clearly it's not going to be Graham-Lewis and Cobb-Adams-back every play outside of red. 

**IF** one of the tall rookie receivers with deep speed can emerge as a guy who can catch the deep ball, I think there are some interesting opportunities.  Or Davis. 

Imagine one of the long fast rookies (or Davis) emerging as a good one-on-one vertical guy who **CAN** catch the deep ball, and who **CAN** catch the deep ball, and who **CAN** win Rodgers' trust in one-on-one matchups?  And who **CAN** win in a lot of scramble drills?  And who **CAN** have not only some deep vertical but also at least a few other routes, even if not a full route tree? 

There could be a bunch of snaps where you can play Davis or one of the long fast guys, or with an empty backfield, or without Lewis or Cobb. Could be some fun deep-vertical opportunities.  Why not?  Reintroduce the bomb!  Or at least the threat! 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 26, 2018, 10:30:24 AM
JMHO.

I do think that #12 will take some vertical shots, but only to keep defenses honest.

The addition of Lewis makes me think that MM/Philbin will being trying to implement a much more balanced run/pass ball control offense that's intended keep opposing  defenses on the field longer and wear them down so they can use their running game (with Jones and Williams) late to close out games in the 4th quarter.

Too much emphasis on vertical/quick strike offense puts the GB defense back on the field right away, and could cause them to get tired late in games that could allow other teams to creep back into a contest.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 26, 2018, 11:30:21 AM
...I do think that #12 will take some vertical shots, but only to keep defenses honest.

The addition of Lewis makes me think that MM/Philbin will being trying to implement a much more balanced run/pass ball control offense that's intended keep opposing  defenses on the field longer....

"a much more balanced run/pass".  Seems to me the Packers have been a small-bite ball-control-wannabe offense for a long time.  2011 seems like a long, long, long time ago when they sometimes had big plays!  Long completions have been few-and-far between, (especially apart from free plays), since pre-Lacy years, I think.  They've been TRYING to be ball-control....

Also, for the majority of MM's years, his run/pass distribution has been above league-average (more run-oriented than average) more often than below (more pass-oriented).  So I don't think the balance has habitually or intentionally been inappropriately pass-excessive.  (Unless the whole league is dumb).  (Obviously when they're playing catchup, or two years ago when the running approach wasn't working that well and they needed to win a bunch of games at the end, they sometimes become more pass-oriented....)

I also admit that in considering whether to divert from league-average, when I compare the relative merits of Aaron Rodgers at QB versus Jamaal Williams at RB, a certain logic suggests it might be smarter to be a little more pass-oriented than the average team, given the advantage we have at QB relative to the average team.  Don't feel quite the same advantage at RB with Williams etc.. Similar with Bakhti and Bulaga, those are both really good pass-blockers but mediocre run-blockers.  So there's a certain logic in taking advantage of what your personnel are better at doing? 

JMO too, but I think the top priority of the offense should be to score, not to play defense.  If you can score a quick TD, take the 7 points every time.  (I also think the combo of a quick-strike TD, then a 3-and-out stop defensively, followed quickly by another possession in good field possession, is a super-awesome thing!  And can be possible....) 

I also think having some deep vertical success, like you say, is invaluable in keeping defense honest.  And in so doing is really good for ball control, possession, and defense.  Adams is good but he's not fast and vertical.  Cobb isn't fast and vertical.  Graham certainly isn't fast and vertical. I just think defenses are going to have a shot to really cheat and collapse the secondary net tighter and tighter.  If you only send out 3 kinda-slow receivers, seems like the defensive net could cheat a whole lot.  Last year Hyde would routinely play so deep that he'd just routinely allow the first-down catch and then tackle the receiver.  If the Packers have no vertical game, why shouldn't opponents play much tighter, make first-down catches much more difficult, and contest all passes more tightly?  If Moore or Davis or EDS were getting 1-on-1 matchups with 3rd-corners on a regular basis, and proved they could win deep and make big plays, suddenly we're getting extra TD's and winning some close games; and suddenly safeties are respecting and helping and it's easier to run and get the short passes too.  So, I really believe it all kinda works together.  Anything good you can do vertically will help everything else in shorter ball-control.  Likewise if 1-on-1 corners are getting beat deep by EDS or Moore or Davis, for example, then maybe they're playing soft and well off, so you can complete the quick easy 8-yard pass underneath.  Or maybe they're starting to demand double coverage allowing Adams to get much less attention. 

so, I'm really hoping that somehow unexpectedly the effective vertical game will come back to Green Bay.  A lot of close games, an extra 7 points here or there can flip a lot of them.  Likewise against a great D like Vikings, to sequence six first downs may be harder than clicking on one or two big plays?   

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 26, 2018, 01:38:16 PM
Interesting, that was quick.  I wonder how much $$?  Can't imagine too much.  Don't think he's ever been used much as a target, right?  Basically a blocker who might leak out and catch one or two or three short passes? 

I wonder if that just makes it easy, and they keep all three vets?  Or if that might put Kendricks on the bubble?

I have thought those same things craig. Does your roster perception and the construction of it change if you put WR next to Jimmy Graham's name? All the hand-wringing by fans and the need to add a WR to replace the lose of Nelson may well be for no reason at all. When the Packers go to a 3 WR set, the 3 WR's will be Adams, Cobb and Graham. When that reality sets in for fans is their any need to sign a veteran WR? As for Kendricks, I have felt since season end that they may be looking to replace him, still not sure of the Packers thought process on that one. Backup TE's typically need to be heavy contributors on ST's, not an ideal position for 30 somethings in the NFL.

I joined this site at the end of May a year ago and in that time I have noticed a number of articles (atleast a dozen) pop-up on others sites about an idea/concept/out of the box thoughts that I had shared here, after I had posted them here. Just a coincidence? At first I thought maybe, but that is alot of just coincidences.  Usually 1 to 2 days later and some articles are much closer to word for word than others. I guess it is good to know that this site is still being used by others as a brainstroming tool. Just a today observation.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-jimmy-graham-is-now-the-perfect-no-3-wr-534
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 26, 2018, 02:36:35 PM
Love how everyone seemingly writes off the new group of Packer receivers merely because of draft position.  OK look at the odds of a late round pick making an impact that's the argument.  Looking at EQ I see an extremely athletic and highly intelligent guy.  Had he been drafted in the 2nd round everyone would automatically anoint him as the next great Packer receiver.  But because he was drafted in the 6th he's trash.  See no reason why he shouldn't succeed in the NFL. 

I'm not expecting much from Valdez-Scantling or Equanimeous St.Brown because of the bad odds you refer to. There are commitment, attitude, and limited route-tree issues with St.Brown, that caused him to fall a long way below where his pure measurables+production suggested he would go. Guys fall for a reason, even if it is sometimes a bad one. Scantling also needs lots of work. The best odds to succeed lie with Moore (who also has a minor issue or two), who got pushed down this year due to the logjam of 2nd/3rd round WR talent available.

Also 'writing them (WRs) off', isn't quite the same as just accepting the odds of success are small. I would not have automatically anointed St.Brown as anything, if he were a 2nd round pick, I was too aware of the problems inherent in taking him - No green-and-gold glasses are obscuring my vision.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: scoremore on May 27, 2018, 06:03:18 AM
EQ's coaching staff threw him under the bus.  I watched his interview.  The kid loves football and wants to play in the NFL.  He is also extremely smart something that Aaron will appreciate.  He had no business falling as far as he did.  A lot of teams will regret that decision.  He was knew when ND changed the offense his production would suffer.  He was right.  It cost him millions so he was understandably upset.  Of the 3 receivers taken he is the most talented.  He has all the attributes you look for in a #1 receiver.  Telling you he is going to be good.  Hopefully he earns some playing time this year.  By year 3 he's going to be one of our best WR's.

Moore is more NFL ready and has the best chance of contributing this year.  I'll agree with that.  Scantllng has the measurables and the heart.  Kid of reminds me of DD.  Special teams is his ticket.  Davis better be working hard in the off season because this kid will be breathing down his neck. 

Can't expect much from rookie WR's.  Just the way it is.  Takes a few years to develop these guys.  I am high on this group.  Young and talented but they will need time.  I'll remind you our all time WR leader is DD.  A 7th round draft pick.  We'll just have to wait.  In a couple of years this post will be long forgotten.  First things first.   EQ and Scantling have to make the 53.  We have enough youth and talent at WR so I am crossing it off of the needs list for next years draft.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 27, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
I'd rather be wrong than right on ESB (just to be clear), but all 32 teams passed on him in the first 200 picks, which is a lot of expert opinion to overturn.

ESB could prove them all wrong (it's been done before), but swimming against the tide is tough.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 27, 2018, 06:37:23 PM
... There are commitment, attitude, and limited route-tree issues with St.Brown, that caused him to fall a long way below where his pure measurables+production suggested he would go. Guys fall for a reason, even if it is sometimes a bad one. ...

It remains a puzzle of what the reason was; how much is talent, versus commitment/attitude reasons?  A thing with well-coached, winning teams with a good team culture is that sometimes they are able to get talented guys to play to their abilities, and provide a culture and winning atmosphere where attitude issues don't come out. 

I'm kinda hoping that ESB went 6th round NOT because his talent is inadequate, but because his attitude was questioned.  I think a guy who might have a prima-donna sense-of-entitlement in college may realize there is nothing entitle in NFL and that he'll need to earn it?  Or phrased differently, perhaps the Packers were the beneficiaries of some negative attitude reports, which will enable them to end up with a smart legit-talent NFL guy who ends up not manifesting any attitude or commitment problems at all, at least during his rookie contract? 

The other thing I wonder about is how route-tree-sophisticated the 4th receiver (counting Graham among the first three) needs to be?  Eventually you'd love for more, but if he plays strictly wideout and strictly one side or another, would that be a showstopper for having some rookie function?  And if he was largely in there for deep routes, routes where you stop and turn around and come back to the ball, slants, and stop-and cut across, it might not be the most complete or sophisticated, but a guy might still be useful? 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 27, 2018, 06:43:24 PM
Also think that sometimes coaches don't appreciate smart guys who maybe **do** know a lot, or maybe think something college-level is dumb, or obvious and boring. 

But it's possible that the same smart guy might pick things up fast in NFL, and might have better respect if the coaching is smart?

I have no idea.  The new WR coach, Raih, looks 16 and kind of gushes like a teenage girl; so maybe guys won't respect hm.  But it's also well possible that Raih is a good coach who really knows football, will be plenty football smart, and that he's so positive that players will know he's for them and trying to help them get really good. 

I certainly don't imagine anybody is going to think Philbin is dumb.  So I'm hopeful that if ESB got down-drafted based on attitude issues, that those will NOT manifest, and that the Packers will end up taking advantage and getting a steal. 

Obviously I am an inveterate optimist.  Now is the time to hope! 

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 28, 2018, 06:16:45 AM
I will be pulling for ESB to make it as hard as anyone, it would be great if he overcomes whatever the concerns are that every team had about him during the draft process.

None of us know for sure why teams passed on him as often as they did, but no doubt it is related to something between the ears and not related to his play on the field. Before I retired I typically had 40+ employees and was often in the market of hiring college grads and problems with authority seem to be a common issue with many. That issue is not a switch that an individual can easily turnoff, that issue is usually deep-seated. Entitled is a word that was floating around next to his name often during the draft process. A player who refused to do things that the staff ask of him to do, on the field and in training.

Are any of these concerns legitimate? We don't know and only time will tell if the Packers got a steal or if another extremely talented athlete just doesn't have the mental makeup to succeed. The draft process is not an exact science and late round picks and UDFA's do sometimes emerge from those ranks to be quality players. Regradless of the red-flags he is given a fresh start in GB, I have my fingers crossed that he can reach his full potential. All is yet to be determined.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 28, 2018, 03:17:53 PM
I will be pulling for ESB to make it as hard as anyone, it would be great if he overcomes whatever the concerns are that every team had about him during the draft process.

None of us know for sure why teams passed on him as often as they did, but no doubt it is related to something between the ears and not related to his play on the field. Before I retired I typically had 40+ employees and was often in the market of hiring college grads and problems with authority seem to be a common issue with many. That issue is not a switch that an individual can easily turnoff, that issue is usually deep-seated. Entitled is a word that was floating around next to his name often during the draft process. A player who refused to do things that the staff ask of him to do, on the field and in training.

Are any of these concerns legitimate? We don't know and only time will tell if the Packers got a steal or if another extremely talented athlete just doesn't have the mental makeup to succeed. The draft process is not an exact science and late round picks and UDFA's do sometimes emerge from those ranks to be quality players. Regradless of the red-flags he is given a fresh start in GB, I have my fingers crossed that he can reach his full potential. All is yet to be determined.   
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What he probably needs is a mentor, someone who can teach him how to be responsible, to be a professional, to tap into that potential and show him what it means to overcome the doubters. He needs someone like Donald Driver to take up the role that Cris Carter took with Randy Moss.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 29, 2018, 07:57:22 PM
If this is true I find it a bit of a odd signing.

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The #Packers have signed veteran offensive lineman Byron Bell who was with the #Cowboys last season. Bell started two games at left tackle last season, but he can also play left guard and right tackle.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 29, 2018, 09:23:16 PM
If this is true I find it a bit of a odd signing.

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The #Packers have signed veteran offensive lineman Byron Bell who was with the #Cowboys last season. Bell started two games at left tackle last season, but he can also play left guard and right tackle.

So, it could be that Taylor's recovery time from his ankle injury is behind schedule. Or it could be that Bulaga is behind schedule. And that Spriggs is still trying to get ready for prime time. And that instead of hoping that someone from the roster of hopefuls makes that "jump", they are going to be ready in case things don't work out for the hopefuls. Similar to the signing of the right guard last year. Bell is younger, and is a big guy (6'5", 340 pounds). We'll see what shakes out, but its apparent that Gutekunst is willing to make moves when he thinks it may help the team. There definitely is a "win now" vibe coming from his actions.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 30, 2018, 06:01:28 AM
It may very well be that there is new concern about Taylor's ankle and he may start the training camp on the PUP. Historically the Packers have had 16 or 17 OL on the 90 man roster to start training camp and as of right now they have 16 without counting Bell. If both Bulaga and Taylor cannot practice they would not have three full lines for rotation during drills. Bell is probably cheap, guessing league minimum deal, insurance to get them by until some regain their health.

The more interesting question to me is who is getting let go to make room for Bell? Just using how the Packers like to construct the 90 man roster in the past, a TE may be the one let go. Normally they carry 6 TE's into training camp and with the signing of Lewis they are now at 7. This is a real longshot, but could Kendricks be on his way out after the signing of Lewis? Is it possible a small trade with the Chargers is in the works after Hunter Henry's ACL injury? Yes longshots I know, but if Bell is truly signing with the Packers another transaction will need to accompany it.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 30, 2018, 08:05:42 AM
Those thoughts make sense.  Agree, I assume Bell is a vet's minimum, will provide a camp body when other guys are sitting out all or some practices; and provides an experienced option if fill-ins are needed and the young guys don't step up. 

In addition to Bulaga and Taylor, Spriggs is still pretty limited in what he's allowed to do; he's not full-go even for OTA's with no run-blocking and no pads or real contact or anything.  So, while it's hopeful that he'll be fully ready given the remaining weeks until camp, it also seems possible that he too may be a variably limited actor.  Maybe not PUP, but maybe not a 100% every-day-every-drill guy either? 

Campen said that Spriggs looks bigger and stronger this spring.  I'm glad to hear that, because his lack of power has been one of his limitations, he seemed to get pushed back into the pocket pretty quickly and easily even on snaps when he didn't actually get flat-out beat.  Would be kinda cool if he turned into a good, capable player. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 30, 2018, 08:15:47 AM
Maybe wrong thread, but Randall/Kizer trade remains among the most interesting and unexpected of the offseason.  Article with some comments from Philbin that are positive about him 
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/05/29/packers-young-qb-deshone-kizer/651795002/

I remain guardedly hopeful about him.  I've been *very* impressed with the couple of interviews with him that I've seen.  He was really composed and articulate.  And his comments about the trade and his new role have been very appropriate.  And he's had some positive comments about some of the coaching/teaching the Packers are giving him.  Seems like a smart guy with a very good arm and a good attitude toward learning and improving himself.   So I'm optimistic that he's going to be kind of a quick study in terms of picking things up, and that he'll have a good approach towards improving himself even if he doesn't expect to be playing Sunday to Sunday. 

Obviously having a strong arm, being smart and good-looking or giving a good, thoughtful interview doesn't at all mean that he can process a fast-moving NFL defense, or throw a ball accurately, so time will tell!  :)  But no new red flags thus far. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 30, 2018, 08:46:19 AM
The Green Bay Packers signed T/G Byron Bell and released T/G Jacob Alsadek.

And now we know the rest of the story.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 30, 2018, 09:05:06 AM
The Green Bay Packers signed T/G Byron Bell and released T/G Jacob Alsadek.

And now we know the rest of the story.

Betting their is a story behind the waiving of Alsadek, he had to have done something stupid to get the boot after 3 days of OTA's. Remember, according to Rob Demovsky's article on UDFA signing bonuses, Alsadek was tied for the highest bonus paidout by the Packers to a UDFA this year. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on May 30, 2018, 09:50:17 AM
Betting their is a story behind the waiving of Alsadek, he had to have done something stupid to get the boot after 3 days of OTA's. Remember, according to Rob Demovsky's article on UDFA signing bonuses, Alsadek was tied for the highest bonus paidout by the Packers to a UDFA this year.

Maybe. Or else they just saw more in other players who were with the team last year. Though why they didn't dump a TE, as you suggested, seems odd. They seem pretty at TE, with the top three spots probably going to Graham, Lewis and Kendricks. Maybe someone takes Kendricks spot, but a top receiver/matchup nightmare, an excellent blocker and a good vet seems to be the most likely combo. I saw Alsadek was 6'7", so maybe he was unable to get the "bend" so his pad level was not acceptable. That is written with a sly grin, tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Just spotted this at PFT, so here is another opinion about the reason for signing Bell. After all, Bulaga does have an extensive injury history, and why shouldn't the Packers have Plan B ready to go in case he gets hurt again? Could be that at the end of the season, we'll be saying the Packers OL was "Saved by the Bell".  ;D

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/30/addition-of-veteran-tackle-raises-question-about-bryan-bulagas-timeline/
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 30, 2018, 01:49:02 PM
Betting their is a story behind the waiving of Alsadek, he had to have done something stupid to get the boot after 3 days of OTA's. Remember, according to Rob Demovsky's article on UDFA signing bonuses, Alsadek was tied for the highest bonus paidout by the Packers to a UDFA this year.

Maybe. Or else they just saw more in other players who were with the team last year. Though why they didn't dump a TE, as you suggested, seems odd. They seem pretty at TE, with the top three spots probably going to Graham, Lewis and Kendricks. Maybe someone takes Kendricks spot, but a top receiver/matchup nightmare, an excellent blocker and a good vet seems to be the most likely combo. I saw Alsadek was 6'7", so maybe he was unable to get the "bend" so his pad level was not acceptable. That is written with a sly grin, tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Just spotted this at PFT, so here is another opinion about the reason for signing Bell. After all, Bulaga does have an extensive injury history, and why shouldn't the Packers have Plan B ready to go in case he gets hurt again? Could be that at the end of the season, we'll be saying the Packers OL was "Saved by the Bell".  ;D

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/30/addition-of-veteran-tackle-raises-question-about-bryan-bulagas-timeline/

Signing Bell reminds me of the Bruce Wilkerson signing back in the 1996 Super Bowl year.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 30, 2018, 02:20:33 PM
Betting their is a story behind the waiving of Alsadek, he had to have done something stupid to get the boot after 3 days of OTA's. Remember, according to Rob Demovsky's article on UDFA signing bonuses, Alsadek was tied for the highest bonus paidout by the Packers to a UDFA this year.

Maybe. Or else they just saw more in other players who were with the team last year. Though why they didn't dump a TE, as you suggested, seems odd. They seem pretty at TE, with the top three spots probably going to Graham, Lewis and Kendricks. Maybe someone takes Kendricks spot, but a top receiver/matchup nightmare, an excellent blocker and a good vet seems to be the most likely combo. I saw Alsadek was 6'7", so maybe he was unable to get the "bend" so his pad level was not acceptable. That is written with a sly grin, tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Just spotted this at PFT, so here is another opinion about the reason for signing Bell. After all, Bulaga does have an extensive injury history, and why shouldn't the Packers have Plan B ready to go in case he gets hurt again? Could be that at the end of the season, we'll be saying the Packers OL was "Saved by the Bell".  ;D

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/05/30/addition-of-veteran-tackle-raises-question-about-bryan-bulagas-timeline/

Signing Bell reminds me of the Bruce Wilkerson signing back in the 1996 Super Bowl year.

Only time will tell us danno, that is a very optimistic outlook.

I was thinking that Duke Preston in 2009 or Reggie Wells in 2012 were probably good comparables, but they were not as good of outcomes as Wilkerson was.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on May 30, 2018, 08:59:27 PM
Bell is 29, a year older than Goodson, and has been viewed as anti-awful enough to be given 74 NFL starts.  Not sure if he's injured or something, but if not a 74-start guy in his 20's seems like reasonable competition for a roster spot.  On the anti-awful spectrum, perhaps he'll come out a little more favorably than the UDFA lineman from Arizona, even if it cost them $5K. 

No cost, no problem if younger guys look better and he gets cut.  But seems like a reasonable move to add some competition and perhaps some anti-awful insurance. 

Hopefully Bulaga is ready; Murphy and Spriggs are both healthy enough to be full-go in camp; spriggs is stronger and looks like a rising guy; and Bell gets cut because the young guys look good, not because Bell looks any more awful than what the Packers saw on his tape. 

But in the event Bulaga isn't full-go, and that Spriggs who wasn't full-go last week maybe still isn't in July, bringing in a 29-year-old 74-game starter at minimum wage seems like a reasonable way to build more competition on the 90-man roster.  May never see a snap for Green Bay, but maybe come September we'll be glad they gave him a look. 

Contingency planning.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 31, 2018, 05:05:56 AM
That sums up the situation well craig. The positives are many and you touched on most of them, always good to have a plan B ready to be put in motion. I would guess this move is mostly about the health at RT and not wanting to over stress the players coming off injuries with too many reps in training camp. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on May 31, 2018, 07:20:55 AM
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Marcedes Lewis deal with the Packers is for one year and $2.1 million. It contained a $500,000 signing bonus and also has a $500,000 roster bonus if if he's on the 53 for the opener. Base salary is $1.05 million, And there's a $50,000 workout bonus. Not bad money for a guy who was signed in late May.

That is a large signing bonus for a guy who really had no other team interested in him. Surprising.





Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on May 31, 2018, 01:25:10 PM
I read that Spriggs, running with the #1's, was struggling badly with a brace on his knee.

The Bell addition, as has been stated here, is likely insurance /plan B in case Spriggs flames out and Bulaga ends up on PUP.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ThatGuy284 on May 31, 2018, 01:48:45 PM
Do we know he had no other interest?   He signed the same time the Chargers lost Hunter Henry to a torn ACL and it's known the Cowboys are looking for help at TE.  I'm sure other teams are in the hunt as well.   They might have had to pay a little premium just to ensure they got the blocking TE they needed but $2.1 doesn't seem out-of-line when reviewing NFL cap #'s


These are the cap hits for the top 3 TE's this year according to Spotrac:    Just a shade over $10.24 mil seems a reasonable sum for three vet TE's, each with complementary strengths.

Jimmy Graham 2018 Cap - 5,916,666   #14 NFL 2018 Cap Hit
Lance Kendricks 2018 Cap - 2,225,000  #33 NFL
Mercedes Lewis 2018 Cap - 2,100,000   #35 NFL

It looked like most of the players below Lewis on the list were still on rookie contracts
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 01, 2018, 06:50:27 AM
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New Packers OT Byron Bell's contract:
$500,000 signing bonus
$850,000 base salary
$362,000 in current bonuses/incentives
Cap charge of $1.712M

Those numbers suggest he is going to be on the roster come opening day, they don't handout 500k signing bonuses to camp bodies. That makes just short of 4M paid out this week to very marginal players. Keep foolishly paying marginal players that are just looking to collect on
one more contract before they ride off into the sunset and in time it will cost them the ability to sign a core player to a second contract. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: scoremore on June 01, 2018, 07:39:39 AM
The Lewis signing I can get behind.  We probably overpaid him a bit but he was much needed.  OK with that.  The Bell signing seems a little rich.  Thought maybe vet minimum or just over.  Apparently they are somewhat high on him.  Clay abused him like a rag doll.  Hopefully they can get his technique straightened out.  Take a wait and see but this one is a bit of a head scratcher.  Thought we could get by with Spriggs or Murphy until BB returns. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 01, 2018, 09:53:02 AM
I hope not, but the Packers may be closing in on cutting Bulaga.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on June 01, 2018, 10:12:06 AM
I hope not, but the Packers may be closing in on cutting Bulaga.

If Sitton and Lang were expendable, and they were a lot more healthy, then Bulaga could well be on the chopping block. This is a cold blooded business, and it well could be time to move ahead with a new RT. But, first Bulaga has to get healthy, because the Packers don't need to try to come to an injury settlement.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on June 01, 2018, 01:11:24 PM
I read that Spriggs, running with the #1's, was struggling badly with a brace on his knee. ...

ugh, ugh, ugh...  That's not good.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on June 01, 2018, 02:10:53 PM
I read that Spriggs, running with the #1's, was struggling badly with a brace on his knee. ...

ugh, ugh, ugh...  That's not good.

Training camp is almost two months away. There is sufficient time for Spriggs to be fully functional at that time. Besides, with Bell and the returning guys who got playing time last year, everything should be copacetic. And this TC should be very, very competetive. There are going to be some tough cuts coming up for the Packers.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: The GM on June 01, 2018, 02:46:23 PM
The Lewis signing I can get behind.  We probably overpaid him a bit but he was much needed.  OK with that. 

He's coming to block, Old and slow, perhaps he can sneak out every now and then and grab a pass.  I see him as a slight upgrade over Richard Rodgers, but that type of player.  I'm sure he'll help.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 01, 2018, 02:51:37 PM
Marcedes Lewis = Tackle Eligible
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on June 01, 2018, 07:43:43 PM
Right, he's a lineman, not a receiver.  Slower than Richard Rodgers, sure, but Rodgers was a terrible blocker and a pretty good pass-catcher. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on June 02, 2018, 12:22:27 PM
..New Packers OT Byron Bell's contract: $500,000 signing bonus.....Cap charge of $1.712M

Those numbers suggest he is going to be on the roster come opening day, they don't handout 500k signing bonuses to camp bodies. That makes just short of 4M paid out this week to very marginal players. Keep foolishly paying marginal players that are just looking to collect on
one more contract
before they ride off into the sunset and in time it will cost them the ability to sign a core player to a second contract.

That's a helpful point.  As you phrase it, "foolishly" is your key word.  You may well be right. 

As a Packers fan I'm desperately hoping that somehow Gute isn't a fool, and MM isn't a fool.  Your premise may well be correct, and if both top decision-makers are fools, it doesn't make me feel comfortable about the Packers future.  Somehow we've GOT to have competent decision-makers and talent evaluators running the show. 

I'm guessing that Gute, wisely or dumbly, probably disagrees with you on three points:
1.  Foolish.  Obviously he doesn't assume it's dumb and foolish. 

2.  Motivation/attitude.  You pejoratively assume "just looking to collect on one more contract."  I don't know either player, so you may be right, beats me.  But I'd imagine there are at least some 29-year-old guys who love football, love to win, and might be all-out team guys and total professionals with great motivations, even if they lack $20M talent?  :)  Some other reports or posts have suggested that Lewis is actually a really positive team-chemistry guy.  Gute has talked some about "how guys are wired" and stuff like that, so hypothetically he has some care about attitude and stuff.  Perhaps that only applies to rookies, beats me.  But it's possible that Gute has done research on the players and thinks both will be hard-working guys who give everything they've got?  (Hypothetically).  Sometimes it does, but that isn't always gone by the time a man turns 29....

3.  "Marginal".  That's another pejorative that implies insignificant.  Obviously these cats aren't getting paid like stars, so they won't be huge game-changers.  I'm imagining Gute might perhaps suggest that there is value in margin?  Many games and many Super Bowls are won or lost by very small margins.  Marginal improvement in drive blocking can differentiate a completed first down and falling short and punting, a change of possession.  Marginal improvement in pass protection can give Aaron extra hundredths or  tenths of seconds to see a receiver break open, or to have footwork space to make a good play versus a misfire.  I think we sometimes underestimate the significance of variations in  quality in below-average players.  The differences between a 45th percentile guy, a 30th percentile guy, and a 15th percentile guy can be significant. 

Obviously Gute evaluated that these players were worth the money.  I don't really argue your presumption that he's a fool to think so, as you say!  I'm just suggesting that it's at least hypothetically possible that he isn't, and these are well-considered, reasonable signings. 

One other note is that while their salaries combine for ~$4M, it's not exactly costing you quite $4M towards future 2nd-contract.   Guys like Fackrell are ~$0.8, so even if you commit those two roster spots to rookie-minimum_UDFA/7th-round contracts, those two spots will still cost ~$1M mimimum.  So the cost differential of a Bell, at $1.7, isn't really $1.7; it's actually $1.7 minus the contract you'd pay otherwise. 

I'm just trying to be apologist for Gute and trying to understand what his thinking is when he makes the moves. 

I'd also note that he does have access to medical stuff that I don't.  Perhaps his news on Spriggs isn't that super positive, that he'll be 100% strong and ready by camp time?  Inside info that management sometimes has may perhaps appropriately inform a decision that otherwise seems foolish to us? 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 02, 2018, 02:16:28 PM
One foolish act does not make an individual a fool. For the mostpart I think Gute has done a quality job.

You bring up some interesting points, motivation is a case by case judgement call. A marginally better player by percentile increase in theory should make a difference, but none of them come with a percentile stamp on them and they are ever changing. If marginal veteran A is a 45 percentile player at season beginning and the same at season end and rookie UDFA (Sam Shields) is a 15 percentile player at season beginning and a 75 percentile player at seasons end, which is the better route to take? The young players salary is 1/4 of that of the marginal vet, in most cases more motivated and has a chance to continue to ascend for years to come. The problem is that the coaching staff has to actually do their job and get these young players coached up. I do believe that is the root of some of this, I think MM is gotten tired of working that hard and doesn't feel a need to worry about developing players with this probably his last season.

The prisoner of the moment is all giddy about the signings of marginal players, but the reality is their is a price to pay for signing such players if this becomes their new business model. Each one of these players cost an additional 1-1.5M taxing on the future salary cap. Is it worth signing 8 to 10 of these players over a 2 to 3 year period and because of that be unable to sign a core player (Kenny Clark) to a second contract? The laws of physics apply here, for every action, there is an opposite reaction.

   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on June 02, 2018, 03:36:10 PM

The prisoner of the moment is all giddy about the signings of marginal players, but the reality is their is a price to pay for signing such players if this becomes their new business model. Each one of these players cost an additional 1-1.5M taxing on the future salary cap. Is it worth signing 8 to 10 of these players over a 2 to 3 year period and because of that be unable to sign a core player (Kenny Clark) to a second contract? The laws of physics apply here, for every action, there is an opposite reaction.


Don't forget that if these players were not signed, the Packers would still have to pay SOMEBODY to play there. The bottom line (with the signings) is production versus price-point. The adjudication of the wisdom or foolishness of current moves, lies in the future. To call these actions foolish before a snap has been played is, well, foolish.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on June 02, 2018, 04:45:33 PM
Are the Packers overstocked with serviceable offensive linemen? Does McCray have the best shot at RG? Will Bulaga make it out of TC as the right tackle? Or will he be given an ultimatum: take a pay cut or be cut? This camp may be the most eompetetive in some years.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/offensive-lines-depth-and-versatility-now-a-strengh-552
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on June 03, 2018, 07:05:52 PM
..New Packers OT Byron Bell's contract: $500,000 signing bonus.....Cap charge of $1.712M

Those numbers suggest he is going to be on the roster come opening day, they don't handout 500k signing bonuses to camp bodies. That makes just short of 4M paid out this week to very marginal players. Keep foolishly paying marginal players that are just looking to collect on
one more contract
before they ride off into the sunset and in time it will cost them the ability to sign a core player to a second contract.

http://host.madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/once-reliant-on-youngsters-new-approach-gives-packers-experienced-options/article_5efd063d-29b2-5ecf-88ee-9c874819de42.html

MM clearly doesn't view Bell and Lewis as guys that are just looking to collect on one more contract. 
"“And let’s not forget about the way these men fit into the locker room, their reputations, what they bring. That’s all part of it. Because you’re always focused on the chemistry and the culture of your locker room, and it’s just an opportunity to improve. I think we clearly have done that this week.”

Article:  "For his part, Lewis came on his visit to Green Bay last week but did not intend to sign with the Packers. After 12 years with the Jacksonville Jaguars and with other teams having expressed an interest in him...."  (It then goes on to say that after spending time with Aaron and Graham, he decided he didn't want to do any more visits and just wanted to sign with Packers.  "Once I saw Aaron and Jimmy, it was a no-brainer after that.”")

Bell clearly doesn't sound like he's all about the money. 
“(The Packers) called me Sunday and I knew I wanted to sign. I called my agent and said, ‘Look, I’m not really materialistic. I just want to win and play football. Whatever the money is, I really don’t care,’” Bell said. “Before I even signed the deal here, I had to cut my mama’s grass. They were giving me a hard time upstairs, but that’s just life. I don’t need the fancy things. I’ve got a used truck. I just want to work. That’s just me. That’s how I was always raised.”

I'm not saying either guy is going to be any good, or that both will make the team.  And I'm not saying down the road we might now wish we had that $3M back; it might not prove to be an effective $3M outlay.  Just that management views these guys as locker-room assets, and that these don't sound like guys "just looking to collect on one more contract". 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 04, 2018, 06:15:43 AM
I hope they work out to be part of a Super Bowl winning team, craig.

Philosophically I just don't agree with the business model of signing those types of players over a period of time. Their is little to no upside in such additions. People are claiming that this year is all together different now with Gute and this new era has given hope to those that had misguided feelings of hopelessness because of last season. But this years group of FA signings is very similar to last years group of FA signings.

Last year they signed Martellus Bennett (looking for one more payday), Ricky Jean Francois (career marginal player), Lance Kendricks ( career marginal player), Davon House (career marginal player) and Jahri Evans (washed up former excellent player). The Packers would of been better off if they hadn't signed any of those players. Bennett just cost a bunch in dead money, RJF was a waste of signing bonus money, ditto for Kendricks who only seems interested in smoking weed, House is physically brokedown and the Evans signing only slowed the development of McCray and Patrick.

This years group of names can easily be substituded in for last years and the descriptions remain close to the same. The one thing that is certain with this year and last is that these 2 years of signing has put a good dent in the salary cap moving forward. Combine that with the Rodgers deal and in time these signings of marginal and/or worn out players will cost them a player(s) that they really do not want to lose. 

Hopefully they win a Super Bowl this coming season and all is great, but miss this year and they continue to handcuff themselves a little more each year in the twilight of their QB's career. They took a hugh gamble on Jimmy Graham, his cap number for next season is 12,666,666.00 and to cut him would bring 7,333,334.00 in dead cap money to the books. Those are big numbers for a bad-legged, 30 something TE who averaged 9 YAC last season.

Whoever makes the team and is on the field to start the season, I will be 100% behind in their quest to win the ultimate goal. Until then the rest is just good debate.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on June 05, 2018, 11:56:26 AM
I hope they work out to be part of a Super Bowl winning team, craig.

Philosophically I just don't agree with the business model of signing those types of players over a period of time. Their is little to no upside in such additions. People are claiming that this year is all together different now with Gute and this new era has given hope to those that had misguided feelings of hopelessness because of last season. But this years group of FA signings is very similar to last years group of FA signings.

Last year they signed Martellus Bennett (looking for one more payday), Ricky Jean Francois (career marginal player), Lance Kendricks ( career marginal player), Davon House (career marginal player) and Jahri Evans (washed up former excellent player). The Packers would of been better off if they hadn't signed any of those players. Bennett just cost a bunch in dead money, RJF was a waste of signing bonus money, ditto for Kendricks who only seems interested in smoking weed, House is physically brokedown and the Evans signing only slowed the development of McCray and Patrick.

This years group of names can easily be substituded in for last years and the descriptions remain close to the same. The one thing that is certain with this year and last is that these 2 years of signing has put a good dent in the salary cap moving forward. Combine that with the Rodgers deal and in time these signings of marginal and/or worn out players will cost them a player(s) that they really do not want to lose. 

Hopefully they win a Super Bowl this coming season and all is great, but miss this year and they continue to handcuff themselves a little more each year in the twilight of their QB's career. They took a hugh gamble on Jimmy Graham, his cap number for next season is 12,666,666.00 and to cut him would bring 7,333,334.00 in dead cap money to the books. Those are big numbers for a bad-legged, 30 something TE who averaged 9 YAC last season.

Whoever makes the team and is on the field to start the season, I will be 100% behind in their quest to win the ultimate goal. Until then the rest is just good debate.

I understand the premise of your post RT, and while there is logic in that premise, I don't necessarily think what has transpired (with signing marginal UFA's) over the last couple of years represents a potential long term trend that could become problematic at some time.

One of the shortcomings to Ted's D&D philosophy was that he had to be right on nearly every draft pick to continue to put a contender on the field each season. That philosphy, in and of itself, carries an inherent risk (just like signing FA's) if the players that are drafted don't pan out. There has been a steady drum beat from fans, media, and even opinion from other NFL personnel people that Ted's blueprint was incomplete because he was hardly ever using free agency to fill in gaps that the draft had failed to do. Not that he needed to make splash signings of big name players, but shoring up weak spots with 2nd tier players and modest contracts. I believe this is what Ted was attempting to do last year, and also what Gute has implemented this year.

Let's look at the players you listed above.

Martellus Bennett: Was signed because Jared Cook grew an ego after his late season good play and "the catch" that helped GB win against DAL. Cook thought he had leverage to hold the Packers hostage for a big contract extension. Signing Bennett, at the time, looked like a win-win for GB. He was coming off a Super Bowl victory with NE. He had become the go-to TE for Brady after Gronk went down on IR. While not as fast as Cook, he was viewed as (and his resume' confirmed) more of a complete TE than Cook. Despite his "big personality" he was viewed as an upgrade over Cook. Did anyone ever imagine he would be a man with "stone hands" and would totally self destruct half way through the season? I think very few people saw that coming. I admit, I did not.

Ricky Jean Francois: A March SFA insurance signing of a veteran DL to a position group that did not count against future comp picks. Despite him not being a great fit as a DL in a 3-4 defense, he brought veteran experience to an otherwise very young DL. When Clark and Lowry showed that they had taken the "2nd year jump" and Dial became available, the Packers released him as they had better options............only to sign him back 9 days later when injuries struck. I admit, he was a "mixed results" signing, but not a bad signing.

Lance Kendricks: With signing Bennett, then Kendricks, the Packers thought they had seriously upgraded the TE position since Rick Rodgers was the only TE of any expereince on the roster at that time. I give him an "incomplete" grade at the moment. Last year was kind of a lost year for several players on offense due to the loss of Aaron. This year he will be the #3 TE, but my guess is that he will have better numbers than he did last year. Look for the Packers to employ a "13" package in the red zone frequently this year. At the time of his signing, he filled that nitch of "2nd tier player, modest contract" free agent signing.

Davon House: JMHO, but I view him as a little better than marginal player. He wasn't a core starter when he left in FA, but he was more than a bottom of the roster player. The fact that MN, CHI, PHI, SEA, JAX, and OAK were all courting him in FA tells me he's a little more than marginal. In his first year (2015) at JAX he had 23 PDF's-4 INT's-and 60 tackles. He fell out of favor in JAX because they switched DC's and went from a man-press coverage to a zone coverage. House has always been at his best in man-press. Last year he played at less than 100% for the vast majority of the season. His cap number for last year and this year were/are reasonable given his experience and the position.

Jahri Evans: A veteran signing at a position of need, and a reasonable contract. The Packers lost both Lang and Tretter in FA and had little/nothing already on the roster since Patrick was seriously unproven at that point and McCray had just been signed from the Arena Football League. Ted would have likely had to draft a Guard in the 1st round if he was to have any hope of finding a plug-play person at OG. But there was a bigger need for defensive players, as shown by the drafting of Kevin King at #33. Evans was steady, but not spectacular. His addition to the roster accomplished exactly what it was intended to accomplish. The Packers may have thought they wouldn't lose both Lang and Tretter, but they did. Evans became plan-B, and now the Packers have options at OG in McCray, Madison, Patrick, and Bell.

Jimmy Graham: Like any Day-1 free agent signing, this carries with it an amount of risk. I do view his roster presence as more than just a 1 year visit, so I'm confused by your pointing at his year 2 cap charge. If he stays healthy, I view his signing as more along the lines of a Julius Peppers signing, and he's a Packer for 3 years. He brings way more to the table than either Cook or Bennett, and while he did not come cheap, the upside of this signing makes me feel way better than the initial Cook signing and the Bennett signing. And especially so after the releasing of Jordy Nelson. Gute knew they needed a significant go-to target in the passing game.

While I'm less excited with the Bell signing, I feel very good about the Lewis signing. Lewis will not have a major impact on the passing game between-the-20's. But he will have an impact on the running game, and will have a significant impact on the red zone offense as he will give GB a 4th (and imposing size-wise) receiving threat.

Finally, they may have overpaid a little bit for Tramon Williams this year, but with his experience in Pettine's defense and the way he played last year in AZ, I guess they felt he was worth the investment.

Looking at Rodgers pending extension and the 2019 UFA's the Packers have, I don't have a lot of concerns. Beyond extending Rodgers the 2019 UFA's are..........Matthews, Cobb, HHCD, Wilkerson, Kendricks, House, Rollins, Montgomery, Ryan, Hundley, Ripkowski, and Goodsen. Out of that group, the only "must keep" players..........IMO..........are Wilkerson and HHCD..........and then ONLY if they play at a very high level in 2018.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 06, 2018, 03:21:33 PM
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The Packers released WR Colby Pearson. He had been out with a hamstring injury. He finished last season on the practice squad.

Pearson was probably 11th out of 11 on the depth chart, more than likely was just a camp body.

This was the cue.

Wait for it.........

Wait for it........

Does this mean they are signing Dez Bryant?  ::)
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The Packers released WR Colby Pearson. He had been out with a hamstring injury. He finished last season on the practice squad.

Pearson was probably 11th out of 11 on the depth chart, more than likely was just a camp body.

This was the cue.

Wait for it.........

Wait for it........

Does this mean they are signing Dez Bryant?  ::)


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Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Hands on June 07, 2018, 06:35:34 AM
Green Bay had at least two positions that needed attention on the offense: OT, and TE. So Gutsey gets a vet for each position. Now people are saying they are tooooo expensive and not very good. Maybe, but they are better than what was on the roster and they are healthy which can't be said for the OTs.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on June 07, 2018, 10:59:56 AM
Does this mean they are signing Dez Bryant?  ::)

The Packers are signing Bryant? My dreams have come true!  ::)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 08, 2018, 01:51:38 PM
Green Bay had at least two positions that needed attention on the offense: OT, and TE. So Gutsey gets a vet for each position. Now people are saying they are tooooo expensive and not very good. Maybe, but they are better than what was on the roster and they are healthy which can't be said for the OTs.

I can only assume this is in response to my post with it being the only one that has a nay vote about the signings. If that is the case, you have completely missed the point.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on June 11, 2018, 12:33:34 PM
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The Packers have added to their already deep defensive line group. They signed DT Joey Mbu, who played in seven games for the Colts last season. He's also been on the practice squads of the Falcons and Redskins.

This fills out the empty roster spot the Packers had. Joey Mbu was a player I believe they had in for a 30 visit in 2015. Had interest in signing him as a UDFA that year. With Filipo Mokofisi retiring before he started, they were one camp body short on the DL to start training camp. Signing makes perfect sense from a roster balance standpoint.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on June 11, 2018, 01:46:27 PM
This signing fits with Pettines defensive philosophy on building a defense off a strong DL. The more bodies he has to work with, the more competition they will have.
Cream will rise to the top.
Makes me wonder if they will keep 6, or maybe 7, DL?

Big boys get tuckered out faster. Pettine may want to do a lot (A LOT) of rotating along the DL to keep guys fresh.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on June 11, 2018, 03:01:11 PM
This signing fits with Pettines defensive philosophy on building a defense off a strong DL. The more bodies he has to work with, the more competition they will have.
Cream will rise to the top.
Makes me wonder if they will keep 6, or maybe 7, DL?

Big boys get tuckered out faster. Pettine may want to do a lot (A LOT) of rotating along the DL to keep guys fresh.

The answer to having a strong DL against you is to run the "hurry up" offense, and, with someone like AR, catch them with 12 guys on the field when they try to sub someone in. So, as always, move/countermove. But, yeah, the more competition, the more likely to have the best players on the team. And also, with more guys with prior NFL experience, the guys coming in won't be inexperienced. Could Gutekunst have a more veteran team than TT usually had? Stay tuned. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Descartes on June 11, 2018, 03:17:23 PM
Seems like the kind of guy you can root for:

https://www.patspulpit.com/2015/3/19/8184503/bbs-next-hidden-gem-1-joey-mbu-nt-dt-houston

Funny guy, too:

    Asked 6-2, 315-pound Joey Mbu his best NFL position. "Slot receiver."
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Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on July 13, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
According to ESPN’s Field Yates, the team successfully claimed guard Ethan Cooper off waivers from the New York Giants, waiving undrafted free-agent tackle Kyle Meadows to create room.

A 6-foot-2, 322-pound guard, Cooper spent 2017 with the Pittsburgh Steelers and Giants. Though New York retained him for 2018 on a futures contract, they waived him on Thursday to make room for veteran offensive lineman Zac Kerin. Cooper played his college ball for the IUP Crimson Hawks, a Division II program. He went unselected in the 2017 NFL Draft before landing in Pittsburgh.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on July 14, 2018, 06:59:29 PM
Thanks, RT.  I'd guess a guy who's had a year in camps and practice and NFL body-building would probably be more likely to be Nowacrat serviceable.  I wonder if he has any center experience, or if that was a factor?  Given all the mixture at interior, you never know. 

I always love these D2 underdog stories.  :)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on August 06, 2018, 11:47:31 AM
The Packers have signed RB Akeem Judd, placed LBs Jake Ryan and C.J. Johnson on injured reserve, and released G Ethan Cooper.

Cooper's cup of coffee is finished, it was was a good visit. My guess is that Johnson will be waived soon with an injury settlement and Ryan's season is now officially over.

Judd in all likelihood is there as a campbody to supply a few reps here and there with Jones and Mays both down with what hopefully are short term injuries. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on August 08, 2018, 08:50:07 AM
The Packers have signed LB James Crawford.

Crawford, a 6-foot-2, 239-pound rookie, played in 36 games during four seasons at the University of Illinois. He served as a team captain as a senior and was named All-Big Ten honorable mention by the coaches. Crawford will wear No. 54 for the Packers.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on August 08, 2018, 09:57:38 AM
The Packers have signed LB James Crawford.

Crawford, a 6-foot-2, 239-pound rookie, played in 36 games during four seasons at the University of Illinois. He served as a team captain as a senior and was named All-Big Ten honorable mention by the coaches. Crawford will wear No. 54 for the Packers.

Projected at ILB??
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on August 10, 2018, 06:32:33 AM
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New Packers OT Byron Bell's contract:
$500,000 signing bonus
$850,000 base salary
$362,000 in current bonuses/incentives
Cap charge of $1.712M

Those numbers suggest he is going to be on the roster come opening day, they don't handout 500k signing bonuses to camp bodies. That makes just short of 4M paid out this week to very marginal players. Keep foolishly paying marginal players that are just looking to collect on
one more contract before they ride off into the sunset and in time it will cost them the ability to sign a core player to a second contract.

Wonder how that 500K signing bonus tastes today at 1265 Lombardi Avenue today.
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Post by: ricky on August 10, 2018, 09:23:43 AM
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New Packers OT Byron Bell's contract:
$500,000 signing bonus
$850,000 base salary
$362,000 in current bonuses/incentives
Cap charge of $1.712M

Those numbers suggest he is going to be on the roster come opening day, they don't handout 500k signing bonuses to camp bodies. That makes just short of 4M paid out this week to very marginal players. Keep foolishly paying marginal players that are just looking to collect on
one more contract before they ride off into the sunset and in time it will cost them the ability to sign a core player to a second contract.

Wonder how that 500K signing bonus tastes today at 1265 Lombardi Avenue today.

One bad outing in an exhibition game is not good, but hardly time to throw in the towel on a probable backup. Its all a process, and there are some who say that Hundley should have been more aware, rather than blaming the sack/interception exclusively on Bell. Either way, what happens when the games count is what matters.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on August 10, 2018, 09:38:54 AM
Yeah, pretty rough, yikes.  Kinda scary that as bad as he looked, that Spriggs and Murphy looked crummy, too. 

Man, with all the injures that Bakhti and Bulaga have had, and what a physically grueling position OT is, those two guys look **really** crucial for how this season might play out.  Really really hoping Bakhti and Bulaga stay healthy this year. 

And however crummy Bell looked, the coaches chose to be playing him ahead of Spriggs.  Wonder what Spriggs did?  An MM comment implied he may have started Bell ahead of Spriggs for some disciplinary reason.  I guess that's bad and good.  Maybe bad that Spriggs effort or responsibility or whatever is problematic and needs disciplinary action.  Maybe good in that maybe Spriggs not starting might not necessarily mean that he looks even worse in practice than Bell?   

Whatever, sure hope Spriggs somehow can step up and become relatively anti-awful.  NOn-trivial chance that Bulaga and/or Bakhi are going to miss some snaps this season. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on August 17, 2018, 05:49:28 AM

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Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on August 18, 2018, 01:30:26 PM
The Packers have signed RB LeShun Daniels and placed RB Akeem Judd on the reserve/retired list. The transactions were announced Saturday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.

This is the 4th UDFA to retire since the draft. Gute may want to add one more part to his player evaluation process, like finding out if they really even want to play football as a career.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on August 18, 2018, 01:36:48 PM
The Packers have signed RB LeShun Daniels and placed RB Akeem Judd on the reserve/retired list. The transactions were announced Saturday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.

This is the 4th UDFA to retire since the draft. Gute may want to add one more part to his player evaluation process, like finding out if they really even want to play football as a career.

Man!....................Ain't that the truth!
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on August 19, 2018, 11:10:56 AM
The Packers have signed RB Bronson Hill. The transaction was announced Sunday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.

Hill, a 5-foot-11, 221-pound first-year player, originally signed with the Buffalo Bills as an undrafted free agent from Eastern Michigan on Aug. 7, 2015. After being waived by the Bills following training camp, he spent time on the practice squads of the Chicago Bears, Miami Dolphins and New Orleans Saints in 2015. Hill was signed by the Cincinnati Bengals during the 2016 offseason, but was released after training camp. He spent most of the 2016 regular season on the Jacksonville Jaguars’ practice squad before being elevated to the Jaguars’ active roster, where he played in three games. Hill was released by Jacksonville during the 2017 offseason and signed with the Minnesota Vikings during training camp. He was released by the Vikings after camp, but spent a couple months on Minnesota’s practice squad. Hill was signed to the Arizona Cardinals’ practice squad in late November 2017 and spent time on the Cardinals’ active roster, appearing in two games. He was released by Arizona on May 10. Hill will wear No. 36 for the Packers.

I don't know if I have ever seen a more perfect example of a campbody. This makes two camp RB's added in the last two days, I think it is safe to say that Williams with his ankle injury is probably shutdown for the remainder of the preseason.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on August 19, 2018, 05:18:59 PM
With Montgomery still appearing to be a pretty vulnerable blocker, and with all three of the sophomore running backs injured or suspended, I'd really be asking my scouts to be pouring over the tape for potential waiver-cuts from other teams.     

Of all the positions, I think RB is the most permissive for guys unfamiliar-with-playbook.  Avoid getting tackled and run to the holes; pick up anybody who's blitzing.  I know that's oversimplifying, but I think RB may be a spot where talent trumps system-experience. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on August 19, 2018, 07:54:01 PM
With Montgomery still appearing to be a pretty vulnerable blocker, and with all three of the sophomore running backs injured or suspended, I'd really be asking my scouts to be pouring over the tape for potential waiver-cuts from other teams.     

Of all the positions, I think RB is the most permissive for guys unfamiliar-with-playbook.  Avoid getting tackled and run to the holes; pick up anybody who's blitzing.  I know that's oversimplifying, but I think RB may be a spot where talent trumps system-experience.

......As shown by how often rookie RBs can do well, compared to, for example, rookie WRs or TEs or QBs or DTs, in fact most other positions.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 10, 2018, 03:03:53 PM
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Cornerback Quinten Rollins and running back Devante Mays both were released from injured reserve on Monday, meaning they reached injury settlements with the Packers, a source said. It opens the door for them to play again later this season, either in Green Bay or elsewhere. They were waived injured on the final camp cutdowns and after going unclaimed, they reverted back to injured reserve.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 11, 2018, 01:44:13 PM
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#Packers announce the following roster moves:

- WR Trevor Davis (hamstring) placed on IR
- CB Deante Burton claimed off waivers from Atlanta
- CB Will Redmond signed to the practice squad
- S Marwin Evans released from the practice squad

Interesting that they seem to have moved on from Herb Waters with the addition of 3 CB's in the past week.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ThatGuy284 on September 11, 2018, 01:49:10 PM
Still no additional help at OLB...
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#Packers announce the following roster moves:

- WR Trevor Davis (hamstring) placed on IR
- CB Deante Burton claimed off waivers from Atlanta
- CB Will Redmond signed to the practice squad
- S Marwin Evans released from the practice squad

Interesting that they seem to have moved on from Herb Waters with the addition of 3 CB's in the past week.

Tough break for Davis.  I wonder if Burton can return?  Burton is of the Water style:  an ex-WR who converted to CB in PS.  Redmond was a 3rd round pick that got injured badly, and was quickly released by San Fran and then KC. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 12, 2018, 06:03:28 AM
I could find no history of Burton ever returning punts or kickoffs craig, but he has blocked a punt in college and recorded tackles on ST's also. Hard to say how long he will be around, is he here for the season or is he just around for a looksee and is gone next week when Jones comes back? Hard to say, probably yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 12, 2018, 02:29:09 PM
The Raiders Waived DE/LB Shilique Calhoun today. He may well be a player of interest to the Packers, would not be surprised if they drop a claim for him tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 12, 2018, 04:05:55 PM
The Raiders Waived DE/LB Shilique Calhoun today. He may well be a player of interest to the Packers, would not be surprised if they drop a claim for him tomorrow.

Absolutely!

Earlier, I was even in favor of offering a latter round draft pick for him.

Good catch RT!!
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 13, 2018, 07:44:25 AM
Thanks danno, but the more I dig on him the less I like him. Thought he might be an option for the Packers coming out of college as a 3rd or 4th rounder, but Oakland grabbed him early in the 3rd and that was the end of that. Watched him against the Packers in the preseason and he had a sack and a couple of tackles for losses which may well be the only signs of life he has shown as a professional. In his pro career he has a half a sack and has been mostly a complete bust.

The measurables are there in his corner. Did he just need a wakeup call that he is no longer on scholarship? Is he a latebloomer that just needed a few years to figure it out? Or is the pro game just to big for him? Packers fans complain about Fackrell, but this guy was drafted ahead of him in the 3rd round that year and gave the Raiders nothing in return. The Packers may kick the tires on potential here, but not sure he is the answer to anything.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on September 13, 2018, 09:45:49 AM
Any NFL player who is on the PS or on the 50th spot or lower on the roster probably should rent by the week, rather than sign a longer term lease.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 13, 2018, 11:57:01 AM
Thanks danno, but the more I dig on him the less I like him. Thought he might be an option for the Packers coming out of college as a 3rd or 4th rounder, but Oakland grabbed him early in the 3rd and that was the end of that. Watched him against the Packers in the preseason and he had a sack and a couple of tackles for losses which may well be the only signs of life he has shown as a professional. In his pro career he has a half a sack and has been mostly a complete bust.

The measurables are there in his corner. Did he just need a wakeup call that he is no longer on scholarship? Is he a latebloomer that just needed a few years to figure it out? Or is the pro game just to big for him? Packers fans complain about Fackrell, but this guy was drafted ahead of him in the 3rd round that year and gave the Raiders nothing in return. The Packers may kick the tires on potential here, but not sure he is the answer to anything.

I know one of the knocks on him was that he played too soft/lacked aggression................even though he was a 2-time All American.

Like you said............maybe this is a wake-up call for him. Couldn't hurt to at least kick the tires.

Either Calhoun or Simon.

There are options out there to add a player that's maybe better, or at least no worse, than Fackrell to a position that is precariously thin on talent.

Or are they sitting on Donnerson, like they did with Gilbert, and may bring him up at some point in the season if an injury happens?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 15, 2018, 09:05:28 PM
The Simon neck injury history has teams shying away from bring him on to a 53, probably remains unsigned until most well all other options dry up.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: mtsportsfan on September 16, 2018, 07:10:05 AM
Not sure how this works, but isn't there a time period early in the season that you can sign a player and it not be guaranteed or guaranteed?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 16, 2018, 07:19:58 AM
Not sure how this works, but isn't there a time period early in the season that you can sign a player and it not be guaranteed or guaranteed?

A "vested" veteran (4 years or more in the league on a 53 man roster).

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The rule comes from Article XXIII of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, which provides each player having four or more seasons in the league with a one-time right to “termination pay.”

If a so-called “vested veteran” is on a team at the start of the season and thereafter is released, he has the right to collect the balance of his base salary for the season — even if he later signs with another team.

Each player may do this only once in his career.

For vested veterans signed after the season starts, the available termination pay drops dramatically.  Each player is entitled to the balance of the first 25 percent of his base salary or one week’s pay based on the minimum salary for players with 10 or more years of service, whichever is greater.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/31/refresher-on-the-vested-veteran-guarantee/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/31/refresher-on-the-vested-veteran-guarantee/)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: SET4YRS on September 16, 2018, 01:48:21 PM



 Need to call the vikings and find out how to sign refs.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 17, 2018, 12:30:38 PM
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McCarthy says #Packers RB Aaron Jones will be activated to the 53-man roster soon. His two-game suspension is over.

A little interested in who is let go today to make room for Jones. If King wasn't hurt I think House might be looking for work this afternoon, but an injured King probably keeps him around. He just looks like he has nothing left to offer the Packers defense.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on September 17, 2018, 01:13:14 PM
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McCarthy says #Packers RB Aaron Jones will be activated to the 53-man roster soon. His two-game suspension is over.

A little interested in who is let go today to make room for Jones. If King wasn't hurt I think House might be looking for work this afternoon, but an injured King probably keeps him around. He just looks like he has nothing left to offer the Packers defense.

House was only partly to blame for that long TD pass. He should have had safety help deep, but instead (I think it was Brice) was on the other side of the field, where the receiver already had a CB and S on him. Is he a worthy starter? Not really. But unless they can pick up someone off the streets, he's the proverbial "next man up".
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 19, 2018, 08:12:35 AM
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McCarthy says #Packers RB Aaron Jones will be activated to the 53-man roster soon. His two-game suspension is over.

A little interested in who is let go today to make room for Jones. If King wasn't hurt I think House might be looking for work this afternoon, but an injured King probably keeps him around. He just looks like he has nothing left to offer the Packers defense.

House was only partly to blame for that long TD pass. He should have had safety help deep, but instead (I think it was Brice) was on the other side of the field, where the receiver already had a CB and S on him. Is he a worthy starter? Not really. But unless they can pick up someone off the streets, he's the proverbial "next man up".

Not blaming House for anything just don't think he has anything left to offer the team. Father time just kicking one more players *ss is all.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 19, 2018, 08:17:02 AM
Not a transaction, but found this an interesting group that the Packers are doing their due diligence on.

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Packers tryouts: WRs Shay Fields, Chad Hansen, Korey Robertson, Taj Williams; QB Brogan Roback.

Hansen was a 'Packers type' during the draft process and was drafted in the 4th round by the Jets last year.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 19, 2018, 01:15:25 PM
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McCarthy says #Packers RB Aaron Jones will be activated to the 53-man roster soon. His two-game suspension is over.

A little interested in who is let go today to make room for Jones. If King wasn't hurt I think House might be looking for work this afternoon, but an injured King probably keeps him around. He just looks like he has nothing left to offer the Packers defense.

House was only partly to blame for that long TD pass. He should have had safety help deep, but instead (I think it was Brice) was on the other side of the field, where the receiver already had a CB and S on him. Is he a worthy starter? Not really. But unless they can pick up someone off the streets, he's the proverbial "next man up".

Not blaming House for anything just don't think he has anything left to offer the team. Father time just kicking one more players *ss is all.

Personel groupings are about finding favorable matchups. House has never been the fastest guy, but he's big and a physical press CB. House just turned 29 years old vs T-Will being 35 yrs old.
House was the wrong person to be matched up on Diggs in that grouping, he should have been on someone else (Treadwell?)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 19, 2018, 01:22:08 PM
As suspected...............Packers have released CB (WR?).........not sure which one he is?.............Deante Burton to make room on the roster for Aaron Jones.

Nice knowing you DB.............whatever you were?  confused(
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 19, 2018, 01:24:16 PM
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With his two-game suspension served, #Packers officially placed RB Aaron Jones on their active roster. They released CB Deante Burton to make room for Jones. GB had claimed Burton off waivers from Atlanta last week.

Packers go with 'last in, first out'. They probably would like to keep Burton on the PS if he clears waivers.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 24, 2018, 10:21:34 AM
With the injuries from yesterday I am expecting the Packers to make a few roster ajustments today or tomorrow. Wilkerson is probably headed to IR. Will the Packers add Looney from the PS or sign Mbu back or will it be a different street free agent? With some of the OL dinged up I'm expecting Pankey to be promoted from the PS sometime this week also. With the injuries, the Packers probably no longer have the luxury of keeping 4 RB's on the 53 and Jackson is more than likely in danger of losing his spot. If Pankey is promoted, look for Gerhard de Beer to be added to the PS.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: packlaw on September 25, 2018, 02:50:37 PM
24/7 reports heading to IR and packers met with two safeties and added a guard to the practice squad replacing a guard.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: gbnd4life on September 25, 2018, 03:33:39 PM
Packers just signe Braashad Breeland as they put D.House on IR!! Yesss!!!
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: mancl on September 25, 2018, 05:20:07 PM
They made this move as well if you are keeping track of the practice squad.https://www.packers.com/news/packers-sign-g-anthony-coyle-to-practice-squad

One of the players they had in for try outs was Quinton Dial- remember him from last year,  He offers zero pass rush but might be a decent run stuffer to add to the rotation.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on September 25, 2018, 07:59:58 PM
The Packers have an obvious need at safety, since its becoming increasingly apparent that the only thing Kentrell Brice can do is hit. Other than that, he is not ready for prime time. So, how about signing a very good free agent safety that would be an instant starter? Eric Reid. I know, it won't happen. But the guy could go a long way toward consolidating an area of need for the Packers.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Shinesman on September 25, 2018, 11:17:31 PM
The Packers have an obvious need at safety, since its becoming increasingly apparent that the only thing Kentrell Brice can do is hit. Other than that, he is not ready for prime time. So, how about signing a very good free agent safety that would be an instant starter? Eric Reid. I know, it won't happen. But the guy could go a long way toward consolidating an area of need for the Packers.

I miss Chris Banjo
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on September 26, 2018, 05:57:09 AM
Packers just signe Braashad Breeland as they put D.House on IR!! Yesss!!!

I wonder how his foot is, that nixed his FA deal?  Hopefully relatively good and playable.  That he was still on the street unsigned at this point makes me a little cautious, though.  Packers doctors tend to be cautious, though, so maybe that's a good sign?  On the other hand, the Packers doctors seemed to totally whiff on Bennett's health situation, so who knows. 

Would be really cool if Breeland was just fine physically, and re-emerged as a good, smart player. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 26, 2018, 06:28:45 AM
The Packers have an obvious need at safety, since its becoming increasingly apparent that the only thing Kentrell Brice can do is hit. Other than that, he is not ready for prime time. So, how about signing a very good free agent safety that would be an instant starter? Eric Reid. I know, it won't happen. But the guy could go a long way toward consolidating an area of need for the Packers.

This is probably unimaginable for some of the national athem conspiracy theorist, but just maybe Reid isn't very good. He is a limited box safety that is a liability in coverage who ranked in the bottom end of all safeties by PFF last year (personally not a fan of PFF, but it is one of the few sources fans have). Has a total of 3 INT's in the last 3 years even though he had a starting spot handed to him because of his draft statis.

He is a name people recognize so it gives some a rise, but he isn't the answer to anything. Maxed out marginal player, the Packers cut his clone when they let Marwin Evans go. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 26, 2018, 06:33:34 AM
Packers just signe Braashad Breeland as they put D.House on IR!! Yesss!!!

I wonder how his foot is, that nixed his FA deal?  Hopefully relatively good and playable.  That he was still on the street unsigned at this point makes me a little cautious, though.  Packers doctors tend to be cautious, though, so maybe that's a good sign?  On the other hand, the Packers doctors seemed to totally whiff on Bennett's health situation, so who knows. 

Would be really cool if Breeland was just fine physically, and re-emerged as a good, smart player.

More than likely damaged goods bought at a discount, if he wasn't he would of had a large contract some time ago. Hopefully if he has to play he can save it from being a total meltdown. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on September 26, 2018, 10:52:42 AM
AGree that damaged-goods seems likely.  Can always hope to catch a break, though! 

On Reid, I agree, apart from a finesse point.  I agree it's most likely that he's not that good and he's not scouted as being that good.  I think the "Evans-clone" concept might have a flaw, though?  Evans has the physical qualities to play NFL safety; it's his decision-making and recognition that is lacking.  It's possible that an Evans-clone physically, but with good instincts and a faster computer upstairs, might be a very useful player for the Packers? 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 26, 2018, 12:08:53 PM
There just aren't any Safeties walking the street right now that are any better than what's on the roster............sadly.

I haven't investigated other teams PS's, but I suspect that Gute & Co. know who's on other teams PS's.

The draft next year should bring in some more competition to this group. Weird that this was considered a strength position just a year ago.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 27, 2018, 09:28:40 AM
I was thinking that Brian Price could be an option to replace Wilkerson on the 53, but it sounds like he would rather stay on the Cleveland practice squad.

Recently, the Cowboys and Packers both tried to reunite with defensive tackle Brian Price, Tom Pelissero of NFL.com tweets. To keep him from being poached from their practice squad, the Browns quadrupled his salary, boosting his pay from $7,600 a week to $37,058 a week.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: GBRoCk2 on September 27, 2018, 09:29:35 AM
House leaving is an improvement in the secondary alone, he has just been brutal. Can't Breeland play safety, I want to say I read somewhere that this was his position in college.

Brice should be on a tight leash, he has seemed to have been burned or been the reason for a couple deep plays already this year that have hurt us. Really wish Josh Jones could be given the opportunity when healthy, hes an athlete and I'd like to see him be given a shot.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 27, 2018, 10:18:27 AM
House leaving is an improvement in the secondary alone, he has just been brutal. Can't Breeland play safety, I want to say I read somewhere that this was his position in college.

Brice should be on a tight leash, he has seemed to have been burned or been the reason for a couple deep plays already this year that have hurt us. Really wish Josh Jones could be given the opportunity when healthy, hes an athlete and I'd like to see him be given a shot.

Josh Jones is no answer as a centerfielder in the Packers defense. Fans may not know it yet, but the Packers coaching staff does and they will not put him in that position to fail. Brice is a young player with the upside to be successful there, if a change is made Whitehead or Greene will probably be the ones given the first call. Jones as a deep safety option probably soon falls behind Williams and Breeland as emergency options. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on September 27, 2018, 12:04:53 PM
And Ted wasted a 2nd round pick on him.

SMH  facepalm)
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 27, 2018, 12:16:04 PM
And Ted wasted a 2nd round pick on him.

SMH  facepalm)

There is a place for him, but the farther he gets from the ball the more useless he becomes. In the box, on the line of scrimmage he can be useful in some sub-packages.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Shinesman on September 27, 2018, 06:32:31 PM
House leaving is an improvement in the secondary alone, he has just been brutal. Can't Breeland play safety, I want to say I read somewhere that this was his position in college.

Brice should be on a tight leash, he has seemed to have been burned or been the reason for a couple deep plays already this year that have hurt us. Really wish Josh Jones could be given the opportunity when healthy, hes an athlete and I'd like to see him be given a shot.

Josh Jones is no answer as a centerfielder in the Packers defense. Fans may not know it yet, but the Packers coaching staff does and they will not put him in that position to fail. Brice is a young player with the upside to be successful there, if a change is made Whitehead or Greene will probably be the ones given the first call. Jones as a deep safety option probably soon falls behind Williams and Breeland as emergency options.

Jones wouldnt be the center fielder,  that's Dix job as the FS. Jones would be the SS. He just has to know that when he has deep halves, to make the right read. Something Brice is struggling with.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 29, 2018, 11:03:33 AM
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The Packers promoted CB Tony  Brown from the practice squad, signed DL Deon Simon to the practice squad and placed DL Muhammad Wilkerson on injured reserve. Brown was in camp with the Chargers.

Tony Brown has the makeup to be a ST's demon in the NFL.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: scoremore on September 29, 2018, 11:18:35 AM
Curious thought they would go with another D-lineman.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: phanatic1 on September 29, 2018, 11:28:57 AM
I think at some point a DL will be needed so Brown's tenure with the team may only last a week or two.  The Wilkerson injury worries me a lot.  He was able to take some pressure off of Daniels and Clark and now, Adams and Lowery are pretty much bodies.  Going to be a lot of 2 DL packages now.  Something I am not a real fan of quite honestly. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 29, 2018, 11:44:09 AM
I think at some point a DL will be needed so Brown's tenure with the team may only last a week or two.  The Wilkerson injury worries me a lot.  He was able to take some pressure off of Daniels and Clark and now, Adams and Lowery are pretty much bodies.  Going to be a lot of 2 DL packages now.  Something I am not a real fan of quite honestly.

Read this week from one of the Packers beat writers (Pete Dougherty?) that one of his NFL scout sources said their is little dropoff from Wilkerson to Lowry, but where it could endup hurting the Packers is if they should have another injury on the DL. What they really need is for Adams to finally wakeup, his upside is very high if he ever decides to stop coasting through life.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on September 29, 2018, 11:56:43 AM
Deon Simon - DL 6'4" 332, the player the Packers signed to the PS is a somewhat interesting prospect.

Simon was drafted by the New York Jets in the seventh round (223rd overall) of the 2015.

Simon was released on September 30, 2015. The Jets re-signed Simon to the practice squad on October 1, 2015.

After a solid training camp and preseason, Simon made the 53-man roster for the 2016 season. He appeared in all 16 games of 2016, finishing with 23 tackles and 1.5 sacks.

On September 2, 2017, Simon was waived by the Jets and was signed to the practice squad the next day.[4][5] He was promoted to the active roster on December 27, 2017.

On September 1, 2018, Simon was waived by the Jets.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: B on October 01, 2018, 05:56:37 AM
Good catch RT. I agree this BIG kid has got some upside. And add some nice depth, filling in for Wilkerson's season-ending injury
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 02, 2018, 06:57:22 PM
Dolphins Waived Former 2nd-Rd DT Jordan Phillips. Packers DL coach Jerry Montgomery coached him in college at Oklahoma, he may be a potential replacement for Wilkerson. Interesting to see if the Packers put a claim in for him.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on October 03, 2018, 05:36:03 AM
Nice info, RT... I like the connection with Montgomery. I hope the Packers get him- he's mammouth!

I think he's an excellent fit, especially as the 5th D-lineman (DL). Actually, once he's up to speed, he'd probably have a good shot at getting Adams' snaps as the 4th DL.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 03, 2018, 03:44:02 PM
Bills are awarded Jordan Phillips off the waiver claim process.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 04, 2018, 07:39:26 PM
The Green Bay Packers signed WR DeAngelo Yancey to the practice squad and released LB Greer Martini from the practice squad.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 05, 2018, 10:05:04 AM
Tarell Basham waived from the Indianapolis Colts roster.

The 6-4, 266-pounder was a third-round pick in 2017 (80th overall) has the type of size that Petine prefers for his defense. Is this a player the Packers may drop a claim for?

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 05, 2018, 01:50:36 PM
Tarell Basham waived from the Indianapolis Colts roster.

The 6-4, 266-pounder was a third-round pick in 2017 (80th overall) has the type of size that Petine prefers for his defense. Is this a player the Packers may drop a claim for?

Jets Claim DE Tarell Basham Off Waivers From Colts. So much for that idea. The Packers are just too far down the waiver wire to snag some of these guys.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 06, 2018, 01:15:07 PM
The Green Bay Packers signed DL Tyler Lancaster to the active roster from the practice squad and released RB Darius Jackson.

The Cowboys have an empty roster spot after placing 2 players on IR, interesting to see if they claim Jackson back. If not he very well could endup on the Packers PS.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on October 06, 2018, 07:25:11 PM
Think Lancaster was a guy you had mentioned as a guy you were interested in very early on, RT.  I agreed then, and am somewhat interested now.  Probably a step slow to ever quite make it, but has a shot to be strong and smart as a run defender?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on October 07, 2018, 04:38:54 AM
Probably a step slow to ever quite make it.


Really, why do you say that, Craig?... You know he's a NT/DT, he's not a DE.

Everything I've read on him said he's a good athlete, and from the little I saw in preseason, I didn't see anything to discredit that.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 07, 2018, 06:16:10 AM
Think Lancaster was a guy you had mentioned as a guy you were interested in very early on, RT.  I agreed then, and am somewhat interested now.  Probably a step slow to ever quite make it, but has a shot to be strong and smart as a run defender?

He arrived on day one as a NFL ready run stopper. His tape against the Badgers last year is very impressive, he was an immovable force in the trenches the whole game against what most believe is high end draft talent on the Wisconsin OL. He was that way for most of 3 years at Northwestern, an elite runstuffer who offered very little pass rush. Expect to see the Packers use him as a zero-technique tackle 5-10 times today in shorter yardage situations. He can handle his job against the run.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: dannobanano on October 07, 2018, 09:23:15 AM
Think Lancaster was a guy you had mentioned as a guy you were interested in very early on, RT.  I agreed then, and am somewhat interested now.  Probably a step slow to ever quite make it, but has a shot to be strong and smart as a run defender?

He arrived on day one as a NFL ready run stopper. His tape against the Badgers last year is very impressive, he was an immovable force in the trenches the whole game against what most believe is high end draft talent on the Wisconsin OL. He was that way for most of 3 years at Northwestern, an elite runstuffer who offered very little pass rush. Expect to see the Packers use him as a zero-technique tackle 5-10 times today in shorter yardage situations. He can handle his job against the run.

Lancaster can play the run just fine. He won't be an embarassment.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 09, 2018, 02:14:00 PM
The Green Bay Packers signed RB Tra Carson and WR Keon Hatcher to the practice squad and released RB Joel Bouagnon from the practice squad.

A little surprised that it wasn't RB Darius Jackson signed to the practice squad.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 16, 2018, 01:50:40 PM
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The Packers have released WR DeAngelo Yancey from the practice squad. He was signed two weeks ago when injuries hit Randall Cobb and Geronimo Allison but was never needed thanks in part to the three draft picks who have contributed.

With all the WR's returning after the bye this move was very logical.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 22, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
The Green Bay Packers signed FB Danny Vitale to the practice squad.

Vitale, a 6-foot, 239-pound third-year player, was originally selected by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the sixth round (No. 197 overall) of the 2016 NFL Draft out of Northwestern. As a rookie, he spent some time on the Buccaneers’ practice squad before being signed by the Cleveland Browns. In 2016-17, Vitale played in 24 games with nine starts for the Browns, recording seven receptions for 46 yards and 13 tackles on special teams. He was waived/injured on Sept. 1 and released on Oct. 12. Vitale will wear No. 45 for the Packers.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 29, 2018, 10:00:19 AM
Rumor has it that the Packers are cutting Montgomery and signing Collin Kaepernick to replace him on kickoff returns, they are sure Kaepernick will take a knee.  ;D
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on October 29, 2018, 10:13:42 AM
Rumor has it that the Packers are cutting Montgomery and signing Collin Kaepernick to replace him on kickoff returns, they are sure Kaepernick will take a knee.  ;D

 clap) clap) clap) hysterical clap) clap) clap)

Thanks. I needed that.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: phanatic1 on October 29, 2018, 10:14:26 AM
That is funny RT!!  Let me ask - what are the chances of Montgomery actually being cut??  With the quotes coming out from an un-named Packer player from the locker room yesterday regarding Montgomery - does MM and Gute hear that and take action - or does the business as usual approach continue??  These quotes are coming from one player, but all of us know that others were thinking it and just didn't say it. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 29, 2018, 10:24:42 AM
That is funny RT!!  Let me ask - what are the chances of Montgomery actually being cut??  With the quotes coming out from an un-named Packer player from the locker room yesterday regarding Montgomery - does MM and Gute hear that and take action - or does the business as usual approach continue??  These quotes are coming from one player, but all of us know that others were thinking it and just didn't say it.

I do think this is an interesting situation. Most of the time when fans have the rush to judgement to cut players it just fans overreacting. But if Montgomery truly was told to take a knee and went rogue on the play, costing the team at the chance to win the game, I don't know how you keep him in the locker and still hold other players accountable. Can Montgomery address the team and beg forgiveness? Maybe that flys. If anything is going to happen it will happen today or tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 29, 2018, 03:34:48 PM
Kind of expecting to hear that Trevor Davis is set to return from the IR tomorrow. Time to remove Montgomery and Williams as the returners.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 30, 2018, 04:23:30 PM
 TE Ethan Wolf signed to practice squad; FB Joe Kerridge released from practice squad.

Will be interesting to see who fills the two empty roster spots this week.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on October 31, 2018, 07:11:54 AM
Will be interesting to see who fills the two empty roster spots this week.


Yes!

Need another RB or maybe even a FB- I wouldn't mind bringing back Rip... The other spot is open, though. Plenty of healthy DB's on the roster to take Ha Ha's spot.

I'd like to see another OLB... Packers have been fortunate to get away with just the four they currently have on the roster.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 31, 2018, 07:46:15 AM
Will be interesting to see who fills the two empty roster spots this week.


Yes!

Need another RB or maybe even a FB- I wouldn't mind bringing back Rip... The other spot is open, though. Plenty of healthy DB's on the roster to take Ha Ha's spot.

I'd like to see another OLB... Packers have been fortunate to get away with just the four they currently have on the roster.

Interesting thoughts on Rip, I was just thinking that ship had sailed. Personally I will be surprised if one of the spots is not filled by Trevor Davis. IMHO
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on October 31, 2018, 10:23:51 AM
The Green Bay Packers signed RB Tra Carson to the active roster from the practice squad and signed RB Lavon Coleman to the practice squad.

Carson replaces Montgomery as the 3rd RB on the 53 man roster. The roster at this moment stands one short, currently at 52. Trevor Davis next?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on October 31, 2018, 10:34:58 AM
Rumor has it that the Packers are cutting Montgomery and signing Collin Kaepernick to replace him on kickoff returns, they are sure Kaepernick will take a knee.  ;D

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Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on October 31, 2018, 01:22:38 PM
The roster at this moment stands one short, currently at 52. Trevor Davis next?


When is Davis eligible- next week?... That would be the returner and it would be nice to add another 4.4 guy at WR.

At OLB, I talked to someone that seems to get things right a lot about the Packers... He told me Donnerson is doing well on the PS and the Packers are looking to activate him in December for the last five games. With five games, he wouldn't occur a year of service time and still be under the Packer control for four more seasons.

We'll see if that happens or not, but I love that line of thinking... It's a very Moneyball/analytics process- outstanding!
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on October 31, 2018, 08:19:38 PM
The Green Bay Packers signed RB Tra Carson to the active roster from the practice squad and signed RB Lavon Coleman to the practice squad.

Carson replaces Montgomery as the 3rd RB on the 53 man roster. The roster at this moment stands one short, currently at 52. Trevor Davis next?

Carson is 26.  Not a young prospect or anything.  So as an older guy, he provides a more elderly presence to work with the younger backs, who are both 3 years younger.
 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 01, 2018, 01:03:36 PM

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Now we know why the Packers kept an open roster spot yesterday, traded 2 on tuesday and only added one yesterday.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: B on November 01, 2018, 01:51:54 PM

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Now we know why the Packers kept an open roster spot yesterday, traded 2 on tuesday and only added one yesterday.

exactly RT. Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: phanatic1 on November 03, 2018, 04:20:09 PM
The Raiders have released Bruce Irvin.  He has ruffled some feathers on the teams he has been a part of, but the one thing this guy can do is get after the passer.  Not sure if Gute would take a chance on this guy, but the need for a pass rusher is certainly a position of need for this team. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 03, 2018, 04:26:22 PM
The Green Bay Packers signed P Drew Kaser. The transaction was announced Saturday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.

Kaser,  a 6-foot-2, 206-pound third-year player, was originally selected by the San Diego Chargers in the sixth round (No. 179 overall) of the 2016 NFL Draft out of Texas A&M and was released on Oct. 3. He has played in 36 career games, averaging 47.4 yards (40.2-yard net avg.) on 146 punts with a long of 69 yards and 50 punts landing inside the 20-yard line. Kaser has recorded two touchbacks on eight kickoffs. He will wear No. 10 for the Packers.

I will admit that I didn't see this one coming.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 03, 2018, 04:28:45 PM
The Raiders have released Bruce Irvin.  He has ruffled some feathers on the teams he has been a part of, but the one thing this guy can do is get after the passer.  Not sure if Gute would take a chance on this guy, but the need for a pass rusher is certainly a position of need for this team.

Is an interesting free agent for this time of year. Would think the Packers would not care to sign him, but I didn't think they would sign a punter today either.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: B on November 03, 2018, 04:33:43 PM
What a head-scratcher? Two punters??? This makes NO sense.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: phanatic1 on November 03, 2018, 04:39:39 PM
Is something wrong with Scott??  Signing another punter to the roster makes 0 sense if he is healthy.  I can see bringing in a punter to maybe the practice squad to send a message - but to add one to the active roster is really, really strange.  This team has some other needs other than punter.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 03, 2018, 04:55:34 PM
Is something wrong with Scott??  Signing another punter to the roster makes 0 sense if he is healthy.  I can see bringing in a punter to maybe the practice squad to send a message - but to add one to the active roster is really, really strange.  This team has some other needs other than punter.

Is it possible that Scott has a personal/family issue of some sort? Bizarre to say the least. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: JQ on November 03, 2018, 05:01:42 PM
Via ESPN:

Irvin was not on Saturday's NFL transaction wire, meaning he cannot be released until 4 p.m. ET Monday. When he is released, he will then go on waivers.

Even if the Packers were interested, I have to think some other team would have higher dibs in the waiver process. But that’s just one man’s opinion.

As far as the second punter goes, I found this quote by Zach Kruse quite amusing:

In a move currently lacking explanation, the Packers signed former Chargers punter Drew Kaser, filling in the roster’s last open spot after Tuesday’s trading deadline.”

No THAT’S an understatement!
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 03, 2018, 05:41:23 PM
Could the reason for the 2nd punter be as simple as they are going to activate Davis next week and wanted to get him a ton of live punts to catch next week in practice. Using the 2nd punter without running the risk of stressing Scott's leg.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 03, 2018, 07:20:33 PM
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JK Scott's wife is pregnant with a due date in November. I'm not saying that's why the #Packers signed another punter (the team still hasn't commented) but it definitely makes sense.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: packdaddy on November 03, 2018, 08:37:33 PM
The reason for the punting move is that JK had a bad day on Sunday. This is to light a fire under him perhaps. Tho usually you would just sign the second punter to the practice squad.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on November 03, 2018, 10:47:26 PM
The Green Bay Packers signed P Drew Kaser. The transaction was announced Saturday by General Manager Brian Gutekunst.

Kaser,  a 6-foot-2, 206-pound third-year player, was originally selected by the San Diego Chargers in the sixth round (No. 179 overall) of the 2016 NFL Draft out of Texas A&M and was released on Oct. 3. He has played in 36 career games, averaging 47.4 yards (40.2-yard net avg.) on 146 punts with a long of 69 yards and 50 punts landing inside the 20-yard line. Kaser has recorded two touchbacks on eight kickoffs. He will wear No. 10 for the Packers.

I will admit that I didn't see this one coming.

This could be someone to split some time with Scott, so his leg doesn't get worn out. The college season is shorter, and getting used to the grind of travel, NFL workouts and other changes could be affecting Scott. His game against the Rams was pretty bad, but this would have been near the end of the college year for him. Including the exhibition season, he's already played in more games than he is used to. On the other hand, it could be there is a minor injury, or that the Packers simply want a "Plan B" in case Scott doesn't return to form. Then again, this could be me overthinking the situation.  :-\

Then there is this from CheeseheadTV: https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/packers-sign-p-drew-kaser-to-their-active-roster-635
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on November 03, 2018, 10:49:14 PM
What a head-scratcher? Two punters??? This makes NO sense.

Actually, as you probably remember, the Packers actually carried two punters on their active roster for a season under Sherman. Neither worked out. Hopefully history doesn't repeat itself. Just as Irwin could well be the return of Cletidus Hunt, another Sherman dud move. Not to be too harsh on Mike, after all he had a winning record in GB (57-39).
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on November 04, 2018, 02:01:14 AM
RT I believe is right (personal issue).
J.K.Scott's wife about to give birth (in November), so very likely it is a short-term rental allowing Scott to be with his wife at birth.

As for Irvin, he was a poor fit for the new Raiders scheme. He was getting half the snaps of several other defensive linemen (in the region of 24 a game, compared to 50+ for the busier guys). He has three sacks, four QB hits and one forced fumble, this year.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on November 04, 2018, 06:33:02 AM
RT I believe is right (personal issue).
J.K.Scott's wife about to give birth (in November), so very likely it is a short-term rental allowing Scott to be with his wife at birth.

As for Irvin, he was a poor fit for the new Raiders scheme. He was getting half the snaps of several other defensive linemen (in the region of 24 a game, compared to 50+ for the busier guys). He has three sacks, four QB hits and one forced fumble, this year.

If Pettine thinks he could be useful, bring him in.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: phanatic1 on November 04, 2018, 11:33:32 AM
Still haven't seen any information about bringing in Kaser since the initial reports last night. I can remember a couple of years ago Crosby being pretty vocal about who is doing the holding for him and how particular he was about it.  Changing holders now would seem to impact that.  Kaser has kicked off - but only 2 touchbacks of 8 kicks, so it isn't like he would totally nullify Patterson. 

The only thing that makes sense is that Scott's wife is going to have their baby and he may be unavailable due to that reason.  I just don't see this being a long term thing of carrying two punters.  With needs at other spots, it will be hard to justify keeping Kaser around very long.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 04, 2018, 12:03:30 PM
With JK Scott's wife due to have a baby, that's why the Packers signed P Drew Kaser on Saturday. Still not clear who will punt tonight as both made the trip.


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Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 05, 2018, 02:29:58 PM
The Green Bay Packers claimed S Ibraheim Campbell off waivers from the New York Jets and released P Drew Kaser.

Campbell (5-11, 210), was originally selected in the fourth round (No. 115 overall) of the 2015 NFL Draft by the Cleveland Browns out of Northwestern. In addition to the Browns and the Jets, he has played for the Houston Texans and Dallas Cowboys, appearing in 43 games with 11 starts in his first four years in the NFL.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 05, 2018, 02:45:54 PM
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Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 06, 2018, 01:15:23 PM
The Green Bay Packers have signed CB Will Redmond to the active roster from the practice squad, signed LB Brady Sheldon to the practice squad, placed WR Geronimo Allison on injured reserve and released S Jermaine Whitehead.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: phanatic1 on November 06, 2018, 04:21:08 PM
So the moves essentially exchanged Campbell for Whitehead.  What is the story with Campbell??  Sounds like Petitine had some insights on him and played him a lot as a rookie.  And adding Redmond is probably a sign that King is going to miss some time. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: ricky on November 06, 2018, 04:46:40 PM
So the moves essentially exchanged Campbell for Whitehead.  What is the story with Campbell??  Sounds like Petitine had some insights on him and played him a lot as a rookie.  And adding Redmond is probably a sign that King is going to miss some time.

Note that when in Cleveland, his playing time increased as time went along. Year one, 8 games. Then 15 and 16 the following years.

http://www.nfl.com/player/ibraheimcampbell/2552605/profile
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on November 07, 2018, 07:48:38 AM
The Green Bay Packers have signed CB Will Redmond to the active roster from the practice squad, signed LB Brady Sheldon to the practice squad, placed WR Geronimo Allison on injured reserve and released S Jermaine Whitehead.

Wow.  Super stunned at Whitehead release.  He seemed to be a good coverage guy, smart, playing well, seemed to be getting considerable buzz as a capable guy, and with HaHa's departure seemed positioned to be a full-time guy.  (He'd been every-down guy in LA and NE until the ejection.)  Seemed to be writing a successful development story, the UDFA who develops into a solid, smart starting player. 

Obviously the CB/S distinction is more for roster listings than necessarily for on-field play.  So, Pettine may mostly play CBs at "safety" for the rest of the way. 
But for the moment, the listed "safeties" on the roster are Brice, who seems injured, perhaps seriously; Jones, whose coverage and decision-making haven't earned much trust thus far; Raven Greene, who I'm not sure if he's played any snaps yet; and Campbell, a guy limited enough to have been released by others teams plural, and to go unclaimed by the teams ahead of Packers in waivers line. 

That is a VERY inexperienced and uncertain safety room, that's for sure. 

I'm curious what Greene might be able to do, given opportunity? 

For a D+D team, it would sure be nice if MM and staff could somehow +D somebody. 

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 07, 2018, 09:03:57 AM
Good post as usual craig.

Nice job of understanding the safety population. In the Packers defense they should probably just list all secondary players as DB's and skip the CB or S designations, that might slow the inventory checkers from obsessing about 'safety' now being a high priority in next years draft. Have the feeling that the Packers are not overly concerned about the current safety room.   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 07, 2018, 10:22:57 AM
 The Packers are bringing back wide receiver Trevor Davis from injured reserve and he is slated to practice on Wednesday.

Head Coach Mike McCarthy made the announcement Wednesday morning.

Davis went on IR back in Week 2 with a hamstring injury. He is not eligible to play in this week’s game against Miami, because the IR rules dictate players miss a minimum of eight games, but he will be eligible for next Thursday’s game at Seattle.

This should be a helpful move for the return game.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on November 07, 2018, 10:28:55 AM
While that's true, RT, still it's evident that for the Rams game and the first half in New England, the Packers coaches liked Whitehead enough better than a bunch of other CB's and DB's to play Whitehead almost every snap. 

Puzzling why for 6 quarters they like the guy enough to play him ahead of 4-5 other DB's; then yesterday they don't like him enough to keep him on the roster.  Drop from 5th to 11th just like that?  Certainly it's unusual! 

Perhaps some off-field stuff again, rather than strictly performance-based, as with Randall?
Or perhaps two losses is changing Gute's approach?  When totally Nowacrat, maybe smart Whitehead would play ahead of Jones and Jackson and Greene.  But perhaps with two more losses on the books and a losing record, Gute is shifting towards a more Buildican perspective, and wants to look more at the younger guys?   
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on November 07, 2018, 10:32:35 AM
Re Davis, do they not need to clear a spot for him till next week? 
With Allison gone, and with Cobb's sun setting, I admit I still wonder whether there's any chance that Davis might get any snaps at WR?  Probably not, but it might be fun to have somebody fast/quick available for slot.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 07, 2018, 10:38:44 AM
Re Davis, do they not need to clear a spot for him till next week? 
With Allison gone, and with Cobb's sun setting, I admit I still wonder whether there's any chance that Davis might get any snaps at WR?  Probably not, but it might be fun to have somebody fast/quick available for slot.

They are at 52 at this moment, but they can't activate Davis until next week.

 I think that MVS has taken ownership of that speed guy from the slot and on the outside.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: PackerYakker on November 07, 2018, 11:37:40 AM
Activating Davis ahead of Kumerow is a mistake.

Davis' principal value is as a returner and his skills have been overblown. In '17, he averaged 22.4 yds on 31 kick returns, with no long gains or TD's. Average. The only phase where he excelled was as a PR, where he averaged a healthy 12.2 yds on 31 returns, a number largely fueled by a single long gain (65 yds). Regardless, GB averaged only 1.7 punt returns per game in '17. As such, Davis' "plus" skills as a punt returner translate into starting 1 or two possessions ~4 yds further upfield than they would with an average PR. That's +8 yards of offense/game. That's nothing.

Kumerow, on the other hand, was clearly the 3rd best receiver in camp, behind only Adams and Allison. It was obvious on both the practice field and in games. With Allison out and Cobb a non-factor, GB is thin on playmakers at WR. They need another guy who can produce from scrimmage much more than they need a few extra yards on returns.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on November 07, 2018, 12:35:56 PM
I think that MVS has taken ownership of that speed guy from the slot and on the outside.

Ya know, teams are allowed to have more than one fast WR...  8)

Really do like the speed and athleticism of the current WR corp. The best it's been in many years.

Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on November 07, 2018, 12:46:08 PM
Activating Davis ahead of Kumerow is a mistake.

Davis' principal value is as a returner and his skills have been overblown. In '17, he averaged 22.4 yds on 31 kick returns, with no long gains or TD's. Average. The only phase where he excelled was as a PR, where he averaged a healthy 12.2 yds on 31 returns, a number largely fueled by a single long gain (65 yds). Regardless, GB averaged only 1.7 punt returns per game in '17. As such, Davis' "plus" skills as a punt returner translate into starting 1 or two possessions ~4 yds further upfield than they would with an average PR. That's +8 yards of offense/game. That's nothing.

Kumerow, on the other hand, was clearly the 3rd best receiver in camp, behind only Adams and Allison. It was obvious on both the practice field and in games. With Allison out and Cobb a non-factor, GB is thin on playmakers at WR. They need another guy who can produce from scrimmage much more than they need a few extra yards on returns.

Wow, I disagree with everything you said...  hatsoff)

Kumerow is a veteran camp guy, so of course he was ahead of the rookies. He's way behind them now... Adding more speed at WR (Davis) is also a very good thing.

You minimized Davis return and special teams value... Curious how you could rate the PR against Cleveland as nothing.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 07, 2018, 02:22:15 PM
I think that MVS has taken ownership of that speed guy from the slot and on the outside.

Ya know, teams are allowed to have more than one fast WR...  8)

Really do like the speed and athleticism of the current WR corp. The best it's been in many years.

That was silly of me, you can never have too many speedy WR's. Just one of those things that can't be taught.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 07, 2018, 02:24:03 PM
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Busy day for Browns, who claimed CB Phillip Gaines and S Jermaine Whitehead on waivers, per source.

Browns connection strikes again.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 07, 2018, 03:32:58 PM
While that's true, RT, still it's evident that for the Rams game and the first half in New England, the Packers coaches liked Whitehead enough better than a bunch of other CB's and DB's to play Whitehead almost every snap. 

Puzzling why for 6 quarters they like the guy enough to play him ahead of 4-5 other DB's; then yesterday they don't like him enough to keep him on the roster.  Drop from 5th to 11th just like that?  Certainly it's unusual! 

Perhaps some off-field stuff again, rather than strictly performance-based, as with Randall?
Or perhaps two losses is changing Gute's approach?  When totally Nowacrat, maybe smart Whitehead would play ahead of Jones and Jackson and Greene.  But perhaps with two more losses on the books and a losing record, Gute is shifting towards a more Buildican perspective, and wants to look more at the younger guys?   

Could be a little of all those things craig. Maybe their really isn't much difference between 5th and 11th (something I truely believe is the case on almost all teams).

You may remember that Whitehead was the one who was stopped at 4AM on a highway between Milwaukee and GB doing 110 MPH with 3 of his teamates in the car.

http://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/packers-speeding-jermaine-whitehead-110-70-otas/f6t1ovyq7w4i1wr3oqr8ypyfd
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: craig on November 07, 2018, 08:37:57 PM
I hadn't remembered that, until you reminded.  Yeah, maybe getting ejected could be part of a larger issue with responsibility/professionalism/self-discipline.  Who knows. 

But yeah, your point that the space between 5th and 11th may be pretty negligible is also well taken. 

Certainly there might be guys who were behind him on the Nowacrat playing ladder who would be more valued on the long-term Buildican ladder.  He was getting more snaps than Jackson or Jones; certainly Jackson would have more long-term value.  And perhaps they still hope that Jones will become able to cover and make decisions someday. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: Donzo on November 08, 2018, 05:21:09 AM
That was silly of me, you can never have too many speedy WR's. Just one of those things that can't be taught.


Oh ya, it wasn't silly, it was clear what you really meant... I was just messin' around.

On the Whitehead discussion... Another narrative out there, and it was mentioned in the papers, is whitehead was kinda exposed when he received extended playing time... He made some splash plays as a part timer, but showed to be ineffective with extended playing time.

So, maybe wanting a long term upgrade played a big part in his release. Add in the other recent issues and Gute probably thought why not just get rid of him now?!?
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: The GM on November 08, 2018, 08:16:13 AM
I think Gute is sending a message here.  You can't be a knucklehead off the field and get ejected on the field.  You can be professional here or be stupid somewhere else.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: packdaddy on November 09, 2018, 01:32:14 PM
I think Gute is sending a message here.  You can't be a knucklehead off the field and get ejected on the field.  You can be professional here or be stupid somewhere else.

Well, you can be if you're productive. And that's the thing about the guys recently jettisoned: their productivity did not trump their issues.

Next, look for Gute to begin doing the same to guys who don't have issues, but aren't living up to their contacts. Maybe sooner rather than later if we keep losing.
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 10, 2018, 05:55:37 PM
According to the NFL transaction wire the Packers released NT Deon Simon from the PS, yet none of the low-hanging fruit pickers that are the beat reporters for the Packers have reported it.

This leave one empty spot on the PS and also the regular 53 man roster still one short. 
Title: Re: Packers transactions
Post by: RT on November 15, 2018, 01:25:50 PM
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The Packers will have kick returner Trevor Davis available tonight against the Seahawks. He was added to the roster off injured reserve. They brought him back to practice last week after his hamstring injury before the opener.

This is a positive for the return game, but also a concern that he hasn't taken a live hit in 2 months. Hopefully their are no turnovers this evening.

Davis was one of only three players in the league to rank in the top 10 in the NFL in both punt-return average (No. 2, 12.2 yards) and kickoff-return average (No. 9, 22.7 yards) from 2016-17, according to the Packers.