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Title: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
Post by: marklawrence on July 12, 2018, 07:33:10 AM
https://m.cheeseheadtv.com/blog/tony-romo-green-bay-versus-jacksonville-in-super-bowl-liii-320
Title: Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
Post by: ricky on July 12, 2018, 11:03:37 AM
And if AR stays healthy all year, but the Packers don't make it to the SB, will there be a change in the head coach? After all, I believe MM has already had two new coordinators effectively imposed on him by Murphy.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/is-mike-mccarthys-future-with-the-packers-dependent-on-a-successful-2018-season-252
Title: Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
Post by: scoremore on July 12, 2018, 05:48:05 PM
I don't know if Murphy imposed anything on MM other than the short extension.  The hint you are on the hot seat.  Believe MM got the message and made changes he needed to keep his job.  It was pretty clear Capers wasn't getting it done.  At first I blamed it on injuries but believe he should have been gone before last season.  Edgar Bennett as OC was probably the worst move under MM's tenor.  He was unable to scheme opponents and attack their weaknesses.  The result Aaron playing sandlot football out there.   MM addressed both issues and believe we have the coaching staff in place now to make a run. 
Title: Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
Post by: ricky on July 13, 2018, 04:56:32 AM
I don't know if Murphy imposed anything on MM other than the short extension.  The hint you are on the hot seat.  Believe MM got the message and made changes he needed to keep his job.  It was pretty clear Capers wasn't getting it done.  At first I blamed it on injuries but believe he should have been gone before last season.  Edgar Bennett as OC was probably the worst move under MM's tenor.  He was unable to scheme opponents and attack their weaknesses.  The result Aaron playing sandlot football out there.   MM addressed both issues and believe we have the coaching staff in place now to make a run.

OK. So, MM was forced to make changes because he felt the pressure building. As long as changes were made that were long overdue, I'll take it. An excellent motivator, very good play caller, has a good rapport with his players. But as far as choosing staff, too loyal; as far as playcalling, too stubborn. The plays aren't the problem, its the players inability to execute and get open that is the problem. Throw in some schemes to help the WR's? Nonsense. That, as you stated so well, turned AR into that "sandlot football" player, scrambling to stretch the play, because defenses knew the routes as well as the WR's.

Romo may think the Pack will make it to the SB, but James Jones thinks they'll have a perfect season. So, who has loftier expectations than that?

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/james-jones-has-monumental-expectations-for-the-packers-in-2018f-359
Title: Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on July 14, 2018, 02:14:44 AM
I cannot determine whether McCarthy made changes because, as Ricky stated, 'he felt the pressure building' (which suggests outside pressure), or because he himself felt the current setup was inefficient enough to require wholesale change. Maybe it's a bit of both. Whatever the truth, the changes are a good thing - not because they will significantly improve the team (I hope they will, but it IS possible they might not make much difference), but because a change was needed, and it was made. I feel good about the Packers org as a whole, but the new setup hasn't been properly tested, yet.

As for MM being canned if he doesn't make the SB, I don't think coaches get fired because they don't make the Superbowl. Occasionally they get fired because their team cannot win playoff games (see Marty Shottenheimer).
Title: Re: Tony Romo: Pettine will get us to the Superbowl.
Post by: craig on July 14, 2018, 06:56:14 PM
I don't believe MM's coaching changes were dictated to him by outside authority.  There is none, other than Murphy; and I don't think Murphy is even remotely likely to be dictating or micro-managing stuff like that. 

I suspect that MM probably considered going different directions with both Bennett and Capers last year, but didn't make either move and opted for continuity; and then regretted it. 
*I think he recognized that they needed some new direction with the defense, and made the change. 
*Less sure on offense, might have partly been Philbin becoming available.  But I suspect that MM would have been ready to replace Bennett even had Philbin not become available. 

I think he just recognized that it was time, and I don't believe he needed Murphy to tell him so. 

I don't think MM is particularly at risk.  *IF* the offense looks boring and predictable and nothing but Rodgers improvising, maybe Murphy and Gute will determine they need some new creativity and leadership.  But I don't at all suspect it's SB-or-bust.  It's kinda hard to evaluate what's reasonable to expect until you get into the season and recognize which rookies or young players can play; and see how many guys get injured and how that impacts your chances; and evaluate how good the competition was.  Always subjective, but I think the evaluation always needs to be whether the coach got the most out of the players that he was given. 

The board will never be in agreement on that, of course.  Some will always conclude that MM is underachieving, and that with Rodgers at QB, anything short of SB is underachieving.  Others will see another playoff appearance as proof of MM's leadership and consistency, and tell Packers fans to be thankful.  But presumably it will need to be Murphy and Gute who will need to make an evaluation on that.  I doubt it will be unfavorable to MM.