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Title: Training Camp notes
Post by: RT on July 26, 2018, 12:31:09 PM
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Pettine putting defense through drill working strictly on assignments off of offensive personnel shifts. No running. No snap of the ball. Never saw this under Dom.

Tramon Williams, Davon House and Kevin King are first up at corner in initial team work.

Fackrell is up first in Perry's absence in early drill work.

Rodgers first pass of camp is picked by Kevin King. Deep up the right sideline to Cobb.

Rodgers just found Adams late on the left sideline and made a ridiculous throw that just looked routine to beat House.

Absolutely fantastic diving catch by Trevor Davis on a bomb from Rodgers up the left sideline to end team session. Davis was behind the defense by at least two steps.

On first punt drill vs. rush, Scott averages 55 yards on 6 punts with 4.39 second hang time, breeze at his back.

Trevor Davis has been working Davon House all practice.

J'Mon Moore made the most of his opportunities today. A few real nice catches running with the 1s. We'll see if he can keep it up.

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For today at least, DeShone Kizer getting second-team reps ahead of Brett Hundley. We’ll see if #Packers rotate through camp.

Some other tidbits from first team reps: Kyler Fackrell starting at OLB opposite Clay Matthews, Kentrell Brice at strong safety, Jason Spriggs at RT. Also interesting: Tramon Williams in the slot, with Davon House on perimeter opposite Kevin King.

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CB Kevin King was beaten badly deep by Davonte Adams, but Rodgers overthrew. Tested again, King was glued to Geronimo Allison on Tim Boyle’s well-thrown deep ball.

Lane Taylor is being eased into camp after missing time in OTAs with an ankle injury.

Clinton-Dix and Kentrell Brice are the starting safeties.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: craig on July 26, 2018, 09:44:36 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2018/07/26/packers-bryan-bulaga-offensive-line-outlook/844131002/

Bulaga says he feels good, and could be practicing. 
Says doc PUPed him to be on the conservative side. 
MM says  BB looks great and says he thinks he'll be ready for the opening game. 

I love it. 
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: RT on July 27, 2018, 11:10:38 AM
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Entering camp, McCarthy said he had coordinators address both sides of the ball. Wanted offensive players to hear from Mike Pettine, and defensive players to hear from Joe Philbin.

McCarthy says it's not an accident #Packers rookie J'Mon Moore is already repping with Aaron Rodgers. Each opportunity is earned, he said. Likes how Moore has transitioned to learning multiple WR spots.

In first nickel rep, #Packers rookie Jaire Alexander in the slot with Tramon Williams and Davon House on perimeter. Would think Alexander gets more and more first-team reps as nickel throughout camp.

Jason Spriggs taking bulk of first-team RT reps. Kyle Murphy gets one rep on first OL, then Spriggs right back in.

Three #Packers rotating at punt return: Trevor Davis, Quinten Rollins, Tramon Williams. Interesting. Rollins coming off torn Achilles. Williams is 35.

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The QB rotation so far in camp has been Rodgers, Hundley, Rodgers, Kizer during team drills (with a few reps for rookie Tim Boyle sprinkled in). Will be interesting if/when Kizer starts pushing Hundley.

Aaron Rodgers mentioned Mike Pettine's speech to the team yesterday was a "near all-timer," Coach Mike McCarthy said today it was important for the whole team to hear the messages from the defensive coordinator, offensive coordinator (Joe Philbin)
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: Redt on July 28, 2018, 06:16:18 AM
Last year I started a thread "2017 defense better than 2016" where I expressed my concerns that the defense was as bad if not worse than the previous year. While I think this years defense will be better than 2017 I still have major concerns.

1. Davon House starting on the outside opposite King. If House is one of our starting cb's we are in trouble, never been very good or reliable. Last year in TC he was said to be our #1 cb, yikes, hopefully not this year.  Need the rookies to step up. I really liked the pick of Alexander and love his competitiveness, he will make an impact this year. I also liked the Jackson pick, but have concerns related to his ability to play press coverage, he has the skills, but maybe not a strength.

2. OLB CMIII and Perry, both unreliable with little for backups, hopefully the D-line can create pressure inside and we don't have to rely as much on the OLB.

3. Safety, still not convinced Ha Ha is the stud Safety every defense needs. Looking for a big jump from Jones, but this may not happen, then what Brice? I like Brice, but so far can't stay healthy.

4. ILB, I like Martinez, but he needs to be our second best ILB, Ryan is a liability in coverage and gets exposed, Burks hopefully can step up and be an improvement over what we currently have.

I am hopeful with the new DC and scheme which was long overdue. The D-line should be top 5, King is an upgrade, Alexander and Jackson will go through their growing pains, but will compete and improve.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: scoremore on July 28, 2018, 06:36:54 AM
House won't be starting he may not even make the team.  Packers want to make the rooks earn a starting job nothing is ever handed out.  King and Tramon on the boundaries and Alexander in the slot.  That's my guess.  Yes Perry and Mathews are unreliable.  Think Beigel will step up and be a solid back up.  I still like Fackrell.  He can bend and get around the edge.  Hopefully he continues to improve his game.  Took a late round flier on Donnerson we'll see if he makes any noise in camp.  We also have Gilbert.  Let's face it not the strongest position group.

Weak at ILB.  True.  Against the run very tough.  Burks will probably see very limited action early on.  They talked about Jones strictly as a Safety however he still may be used in this role.

Haven't had a D-line like this since 96.  This is the strength of the defense. 

Biggest reason for optimism is Pettine.  I think we will be a middle of the Pack defense worst case and potentially top 10 this year.  Wish we had one more stud OLB and ILB more of a depth thing.  Starters are fine if they can stay healthy.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on July 28, 2018, 07:56:40 AM

If you are looking for things to worry about, this year has more changes than any in the recent past. Big revamp of the offensive playbook, two new coordinators, new position coaches, many players being counted on as starters, with two, one, or no years experience, in the NFL.

It's all there to worry about, if that's your nature. I see hope and expect improvement.......but that is MY nature.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: Redt on July 28, 2018, 10:52:17 AM

If you are looking for things to worry about, this year has more changes than any in the recent past. Big revamp of the offensive playbook, two new coordinators, new position coaches, many players being counted on as starters, with two, one, or no years experience, in the NFL.

It's all there to worry about, if that's your nature. I see hope and expect improvement.......but that is MY nature.

Not looking to worry about anything, just expressing my concern over lingering issues that have yet to be resolved over several years now. I am also hopeful and think the additions this year are positive and we will see improvement. It is in my nature after years of mismanagement on all levels of the defensive side of the ball to not be overly optimistic and take a wait and see approach. Last year after my post I was criticized in the same way and guess what the defense was worse.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: JQ on July 28, 2018, 12:32:55 PM
Does anybody know if Cole Madison ever showed up? I just read the latest media tweets via ‘Acme Packing,' and he wasn’t listed among those who were not participating in practice.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on July 28, 2018, 01:04:17 PM

Not looking to worry about anything, just expressing my concern over lingering issues that have yet to be resolved over several years now. I am also hopeful and think the additions this year are positive and we will see improvement. It is in my nature after years of mismanagement on all levels of the defensive side of the ball to not be overly optimistic and take a wait and see approach. Last year after my post I was criticized in the same way and guess what the defense was worse.

Not critisising, just pointing out that different people see the same big picture in different ways. You can focus on things that worry you, or on things that give you hope. Both equally valid.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: RT on July 28, 2018, 02:04:08 PM
Does anybody know if Cole Madison ever showed up? I just read the latest media tweets via ‘Acme Packing,' and he wasn’t listed among those who were not participating in practice.

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#Packers head coach Mike McCarthy just wrapped up his third press conference of camp. He said he still has no update on rookie OL Cole Madison who has yet to report to camp due to a personal matter.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: dannobanano on July 29, 2018, 09:20:23 AM
House won't be starting he may not even make the team.  Packers want to make the rooks earn a starting job nothing is ever handed out.  King and Tramon on the boundaries and Alexander in the slot.  That's my guess.  Yes Perry and Mathews are unreliable.  Think Beigel will step up and be a solid back up.  I still like Fackrell.  He can bend and get around the edge.  Hopefully he continues to improve his game.  Took a late round flier on Donnerson we'll see if he makes any noise in camp.  We also have Gilbert.  Let's face it not the strongest position group.

Weak at ILB.  True.  Against the run very tough.  Burks will probably see very limited action early on.  They talked about Jones strictly as a Safety however he still may be used in this role.

Haven't had a D-line like this since 96.  This is the strength of the defense. 

Biggest reason for optimism is Pettine.  I think we will be a middle of the Pack defense worst case and potentially top 10 this year.  Wish we had one more stud OLB and ILB more of a depth thing.  Starters are fine if they can stay healthy.

If you’re looking for one more stud OLB, Packers should keep their eyes/ears tuned in to what happens with Colts OLB John Simon
INDY is changing from a 3-4 to a 4-3 and Simon has to convert to DE.
The talk is he may get cut on the final cutdown. He was one of INDY’s best defenders in2017.
If GB likes him enough, they should offer a conditional pick in 2019 rather than wait on maybe getting him off waivers. He would be a strong #3 behind CM3 and Perry.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: Skinny on July 29, 2018, 10:23:11 AM
Where is Nagler?
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: marklawrence on July 29, 2018, 06:06:35 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/29/5-quick-observations-from-packers-first-3-training-camp-practices/
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: The GM on July 30, 2018, 10:55:30 AM
Last year I started a thread "2017 defense better than 2016" where I expressed my concerns that the defense was as bad if not worse than the previous year. While I think this years defense will be better than 2017 I still have major concerns.

1. Davon House starting on the outside opposite King. If House is one of our starting cb's we are in trouble, never been very good or reliable. Last year in TC he was said to be our #1 cb, yikes, hopefully not this year.  Need the rookies to step up. I really liked the pick of Alexander and love his competitiveness, he will make an impact this year. I also liked the Jackson pick, but have concerns related to his ability to play press coverage, he has the skills, but maybe not a strength.

2. OLB CMIII and Perry, both unreliable with little for backups, hopefully the D-line can create pressure inside and we don't have to rely as much on the OLB.

3. Safety, still not convinced Ha Ha is the stud Safety every defense needs. Looking for a big jump from Jones, but this may not happen, then what Brice? I like Brice, but so far can't stay healthy.

4. ILB, I like Martinez, but he needs to be our second best ILB, Ryan is a liability in coverage and gets exposed, Burks hopefully can step up and be an improvement over what we currently have.

I am hopeful with the new DC and scheme which was long overdue. The D-line should be top 5, King is an upgrade, Alexander and Jackson will go through their growing pains, but will compete and improve.

I agree with most of this, Im just glad they recognized the changed that needed to be made, and made them.  Im all for giving the coodinator a legit shot, but my God, that was ugly for a long time.  Im grateful they are trying something else.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: Skinny on July 30, 2018, 12:50:47 PM
Where the hell is Aaron Nagler? Anyone? Did he get fired?
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: ricky on July 30, 2018, 02:58:36 PM
Where the hell is Aaron Nagler? Anyone? Did he get fired?

Nagler on Twitter: https://twitter.com/AaronNagler?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: RT on August 04, 2018, 07:37:48 PM
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#Packers LT David Bakhtiari with a slight limp as he left the field. Getting looked at by trainers now on the sideline.

Bakhtiari removed his left cleat and sock, hopping on cart now. They're taking him to the locker room. That's not what the #Packers need.

Kyle Murphy has been taking mostly left tackle reps with second team in camp. He's at LT on #Packers first OL with David Bakhtiari out during two-minute drill.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: Bignutz on August 05, 2018, 06:50:12 AM
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#Packers LT David Bakhtiari with a slight limp as he left the field. Getting looked at by trainers now on the sideline.

Bakhtiari removed his left cleat and sock, hopping on cart now. They're taking him to the locker room. That's not what the #Packers need.

Kyle Murphy has been taking mostly left tackle reps with second team in camp. He's at LT on #Packers first OL with David Bakhtiari out during two-minute drill.

Hoping it’s just a sprain.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: ricky on August 05, 2018, 01:06:40 PM
Hoping it’s just a sprain.

Rappaport is reporting it is just a sprain.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/08/05/report-david-bakhtiari-has-a-sprained-ankle/
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: JQ on August 07, 2018, 06:45:16 PM
Rodgers calls out the wide receivers after practice today (Tuesday):

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/07/aaron-rodgers-goes-off-on-some-younger-packers-receivers/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/07/aaron-rodgers-goes-off-on-some-younger-packers-receivers/)

BUT, he gives a More Props to Kumerow, and also a shout to Yancey and Geronimo!
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: dannobanano on August 08, 2018, 08:06:36 AM
Kyler Fackrell could be an early cut this year is he keeps looking like this.

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"Marcedes Lewis vs Kyler Fackrell is this year's best comedy. It looked like a Dad holding off his kid in a pickup game at a family picnic."  Nagler
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: RT on August 08, 2018, 08:21:09 AM
Kyler Fackrell could be an early cut this year is he keeps looking like this.

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"Marcedes Lewis vs Kyler Fackrell is this year's best comedy. It looked like a Dad holding off his kid in a pickup game at a family picnic."  Nagler

Sorry danno, but Fackrell isn't going anywhere but the opening day roster again this season. IMHO
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: dannobanano on August 08, 2018, 09:56:06 AM
Kyler Fackrell could be an early cut this year is he keeps looking like this.

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"Marcedes Lewis vs Kyler Fackrell is this year's best comedy. It looked like a Dad holding off his kid in a pickup game at a family picnic."  Nagler

Sorry danno, but Fackrell isn't going anywhere but the opening day roster again this season. IMHO

Not a problem RT. Always respect your opinions and insight.

Would love to see Fackrell make the team. Just think he needs to step up his game more if he's going to get there. JMHO
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: craig on August 08, 2018, 02:16:12 PM
https://theathletic.com/458257/2018/08/03/the-throw-by-aaron-rodgers-is-still-creating-a-buzz-in-camp-and-so-is-the-emergence-of-jake-kumerow/?redirected=1

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The Packers worked several tandems of gunners during a punt coverage drill. The first-string gunners were Allison and cornerback Demetri Goodson; then cornerback Donatello Brown and safety Josh Jones; then wide receiver Marquez Valdes-Scantling and cornerback Josh Jackson

Also listened to Zook. Said he wanted to get Jaire more return work; and would also like to see some returns for each of the three rookie WR.  (Although he mentioned MVS and Moore twice, EQ only once.)  Also mentioned Rollins, Cobb, and I believe Ty.   

Thought that was interesting in that last year, there were some who figured Allison's roster spot was shaky because he couldn't do ST!  :)  Now might he not only be starting WR but also inheriting the Janis gunner spot?  (I know, I know, I just kid; I know it's one practic report.  I also know that playing gunner, even if he does play gunner it doesn't mean he'll play it well like Janis.....) 

With the 3 rook WR, obviously most of the attention has been on their receiving experiences in camp.  But their aptitude for ST may obviously impact which make the roster. 

Other note:  I've been of the mind that ST is of diminishing importance, given how you can usually kick kickoffs out of the endzone if you like; you can usually let kickoffs go out of the endzone if you like; most punts are fair-catches (or should be); and with big-leg hang-time Scott, even more punts should be fair-catches than ever. 

But several people have mentioned how the rule change might make kickoff-ST MORE important than last year.  Without a running start, the coverage guys won't get down as fast and their may be more incentive to try a few more returns.  From that standpoint, I wonder if speed is more important than before?  With a running start, maybe anybody could get down there, and maybe power was more valuable.  But will speed/acceleration be increasingly important without the advantage of a running start? 
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: skcusICH on August 10, 2018, 09:48:54 AM
Seems to be a bit of concern over the 2nd team offensive tackle performance last night. I think Justin McCray will actually be the top backup tackle. With Lucas Patrick then taking over at guard.

Patrick quietly played just under 25% of the snaps last year with 2 starts and 2 other games that he had to fill in extensively. He started at LG last night for Taylor and only played 13 snaps. I think that points to him being the top backup guard and that the Packers have already seen enough of what he can do. McCray has shown he can play tackle at an acceptable level. While he's had his issues there, his overall growth has certainly been noticeable.

I'm feeling much better about the OL depth going into this year compared to last year. As injury riddled as the line was last year, it wasn't a complete disaster. With basically the same group of guys, the experience gained can only be a plus. You'd have to think that Bulaga is the only one who might face the possibly of having taken a step backwards (due to injury & age). The guy is a proven warrior though. I wouldn't bet against him.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: RT on August 12, 2018, 06:28:04 PM
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King, Tramon, House, Martinez, Burks, HaHa & Brice with the 1s as they run through scout team looks.

Jaire, Rollins, Jackson, Martini, Thomas, Jones and Evans working with the 2s on defense.

Goodson, Pipkins, Hawkins, Hughes, Porter, Rollins and Greene with the 3s. Pipkins in slot.

Packers working on some dime looks with the db’s. King & House outside, Tramon and J. Jones in the slot. HaHa & Brice over the top. Brice has been the consistent starter at safety when he’s been healthy throughout camp.

Ones on offense:

Rodgers, Allison, Cobb, Adams, Graham, Murphy, Pankey, Linsley, McCray, Bell.

James Looney is starting to show up. Fires through the o-line in team drills.

Very next play Looney gets through again.

Now Fackrell with an appearance in the backfield.

Adams beats Waters easy on a slant and it didn’t take Rodgers long to find him for a nice gain over the middle.

Bulaga getting reps in team which is great to see. Quietly Ryan Smith having a nice day so far.

Greer Martini with a fantastic read on a fake reverse screen pass. There immediately to meet the RB.

Now Oren Burks with a great stop on an outside run.

Josh Jackson 1x1 with EQ outside on a fly. Solid coverage but it looked like EQ had a quarter step. Ball way overthrown by Kizer.

Wilkerson with a great read on a screen pass; no fooling the vet.

After showing consistent hands on punt returns, Jaire just muffed one.

Hawkins great pbu on Cobb

Gilbert good rush vs Murphy

Williams expert blitz pickup vs Pipkins

Ugh. Kizer holds the ball wayyyyy too long. Would have taken like 14 sacks and then brutally overthrows his open checkdown.

Allison with a 1 handed catch in the flat. He’s caught absolutely everything so far this offseason.

1st team defense with dominant coverage against the backups. Hundley nowhere to go. Would have taken a sack.

Lewis with a really nice contested catch short vs. Goodson.

MVS with a less than inspiring option route, no separation vs a LB.

Low snap from Linsley but another 1 handed catch in the flat. This time by Ty.

2nd team defense great coverage vs first team offense. Oline held up well and gave 12 time but nowhere to go.

EQ with a nice catch on a slant but Raven Greene would have crushed him had it been live tackling.

Kizer continues to struggle. This time missing badly on an intermediate out route.

Akeem Judd with an impressive blitz pickup. Making the most of his abbreviated time in camp.

J’Mon Moore - well known to have suspect hands - gets a shot on PRs and shockingly muffs his 2nd chance.

Yancey with a clean drop wide open over the middle from Rodgers. Has to catch that.

And Greer Martini continues to impress. This time with a diving PBU.

Now Spriggs owns and pancakes Biegel.

Lowry blows by Amichia for a sack.

Kizer poor recognition as he misses 81 streaking over the middle wide open. Took too long but eventually completed the pass.

Ryan Smith has like 5-6 catches in team today. All very short for minimal gains

Adam Pankey’s gotten some big reps as 1st team lg today & from what I’ve seen he’s played well.

Chris Odom jumps offsides as Rodgers completes to Kendricks downfield.

Sheehy & Donnerson just executed the worlds ugliest stunt and both somehow got to the qb. Spriggs involved.

Marcus Porter with an important breakup as M. Lewis was open behind him for a big gain. Porter’s had a nice day.

Spriggs contains Gilbert this time and Oren Burks with a poor rep as he lets Bouagnon get a big gain on a checkdown.

Byrd with a really nice tough catch vs J Jones.

Boyle to Kumerow deep. Absolutely money for the play of the day. Goodson was tackling Kumerow and he still made the catch. Every damn day for those two.

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I don’t think Kizer’s going anywhere but I don’t think cutting him is out of the question.

The moves up in the 4th & 5th round on the trade chart were worth the equivalent of a top 5th rnd pick. So it was basically Randall for Kizer + a 5th. I’d argue Randall had 4th rnd value.

And let’s say you could swing Kizer for a 2019 7th rounder before cuts. A trade of Randall for the equivalent of a 2018 5th and a 2019 7th isn’t a horrible deal by any means if you wanted him off the team.

Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: craig on August 16, 2018, 08:16:22 AM
https://theathletic.com/475494/2018/08/16/whats-it-like-to-play-defense-for-mike-you-so-crazy-pettine-some-of-his-former-rookies-tell-all/

The Athletic is pay site.  (I've only occasionally used it for football, but I love it for baseball.) 
But this is a really, really interesting article, in which a bunch of former Pettine players talk about playing for him, his defense, attitude, relationship with players, etc.  If you can read it, I think you'd like it. 
Note:  one of the things with Athletic stuff is that they don't have the space constraints, and can often dig deeper and longer into things.  I enjoyed this one. 

The length makes it somewhat worthless to summarize much, other than that the players interviewed loved the guy, loves the system, and felt like he both pushed guys hard to optimize their game, but also gave guys a lot of freedom. 

Other observation was that while the defense is supposedly learnable and stuff, all the guys interviewed who loved it tended to be smart guys who were probably able to use the freedom to good advantage.  So I sometimes wonder whether these kinds of articles aren't kinda pre-selected to take a certain lean? 

I'm not sure these pro-Pettine articles tend to contact a lot of the Marwin Evans + Josh Jones + Josh Hawkins + Donnerson type guys who maybe aren't as quick as decision-makers and maybe struggle to learn their own position much less other spots besides?   
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: skcusICH on August 27, 2018, 11:43:23 AM
Josh Jackson through 3 preseason games by my count

1 completion allowed
10 targets
8 yards
3 pass break ups
1 INT for a TD
A second INT for a TD negated by an unrelated penalty
2 penalties
4 tackles
1 missed tackle
0.0 QB rating allowed
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: craig on August 27, 2018, 11:56:48 AM
Very nice!  Thanks, skcus.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: The GM on August 27, 2018, 12:43:32 PM
Josh Jackson through 3 preseason games by my count

1 completion allowed
10 targets
8 yards
3 pass break ups
1 INT for a TD
A second INT for a TD negated by an unrelated penalty
2 penalties
4 tackles
1 missed tackle
0.0 QB rating allowed

Great numbers thus far.  I expect some rookie mistakes by Jackson and Alex but you gotta like what youve seen so far.  Even King is only in his second year.  Great move by Gute to bring in Tramon Williams to help these kids.  A invaluable acquisition.
Title: Re: Training Camp notes
Post by: JQ on August 31, 2018, 04:23:44 PM
Sounds like Oren Burks is out for the Bears game. Ian Rapoport, via Acme Packing and Zach Kruse:

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/8/31/17806916/packers-expect-oren-burks-to-miss-week-1-vs-bears-nfl-2018 (https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/8/31/17806916/packers-expect-oren-burks-to-miss-week-1-vs-bears-nfl-2018)