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Title: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: PackerYakker on November 05, 2018, 12:06:10 PM
With half the college season in the books, the '19 draft is coming into focus. GB has serious needs on both sides of the ball, but with extra picks in the 1st, 4th and 6th rounds, they'll have opportunities to address most of their deficiencies. Some prospects who'd fit GB's needs:

1.  OLB  Josh Allen  (Kentucky)  -  He's been a trendy pick for GB and it's easy to see why. They're desperate for top-flight OLB talent and Allen is a prototypical prospect. He's got an ideal build and possesses the tools to rush and play in space. An instant starter in any scheme.   

1.  DT  Jeffrey Simmons  (Miss. St.)  -  Mike Daniels is heading into a contract year and isn't worth re-upping at ~$10M/yr. With no promising talent behind him, another interior pass rusher would be a good place to spend the extra 1st. Simmons is an eye-catching player with ideal size, impressive quickness and motor, though an off field issue may drop him to the late 1st or beyond. He'd be a fine compliment to Clark and Daniels and could immediately elevate the DL rotation. 
 
2.  CB  Trayvon Mullen  (Clemson)  -  After spending three high picks on CB's in recent drafts, the position seems adequately stocked, but only Alexander appears to have the makings of an upper-tier player. There's room for more talent. Mullen is a fine athlete and a quality cover man who looks like a better overall prospect than Jackson or King. You can't go wrong overstocking the CB pantry.   

3.  OT  Yodny Cajuste  (W. Virginia) -  Bulaga is entering a contract year and Spriggs hasn't made enough progress to inspire confidence as a primary backup, let alone a starter. Its time to invest another high pick in a potential long-term replacement. Cajuste is a strong pass protector, with NFL tools and technique, who reliably handles speed and power. A quality prospect at a critical position. 

4.  G/T  Max Scharping  (NIU) -  The talent level at guard has regressed from elite to mediocre in recent years. Taylor, McCray, Patrick, etc. are a young, passable group but with minimal upside. Taylor is set to make nearly $5M in '20, so investing a mid-round pick in a potential upgrade makes sense. Scharping, a Green Bay native, has great size and shows enough skill as a pass protector to be a valuable G/T swing player.

4.  FS  Nasir Adderly  (Delaware)  -  Safety might be the teams weakest position group. GB needs to draft some young talent and should also add a proven player in free agency. Adderly has the requisite size and athleticism plus the awareness and anticipation GB's holdovers lack.

5. RB  Jordan Scarlett  (Florida)  -  If you like Aaron Jones, you'll love Scarlett. Similar build, speed and burst, plus good vision. A RB duo of Jones and Scarlett would ensure an explosive player in the backfield at all times, something GB hasn't been able to provide during Rodgers tenure.

5.  ILB  Kendall Joseph  (Clemson) -  After Martinez, GB doesn't have much of anything at ILB. Burks appears to have been overdrafted. He's not physical enough to get off blocks and despite sufficient speed and agility, doesn't really excel in coverage. The rest of the depth chart lacks promise. They need to add another prospect. Joseph is active and physical, slips blocks fairly well and is a decent blitzer. 

6.  trade

6.  trade

7.  OG  Alex Bars (Notre Dame) -  Bars played both tackle and guard and has enough talent to warrant a mid-round pick, but will likely fall due to his recent knee injury. He'd be good value at this point with starter potential when healthy.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: mancl on November 07, 2018, 05:51:14 PM
Good effort for so early in the process but where is the tight end?  Lewis and Kendricks are free agents and Graham is nearing the end of his career
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: PackerYakker on November 07, 2018, 09:00:38 PM
Good effort for so early in the process but where is the tight end?  Lewis and Kendricks are free agents and Graham is nearing the end of his career
No doubt the TE position is pretty weak, and there are some decent prospects near the top, but defensive needs seem more pressing.

I'd prefer they go the free agency route at TE. If OAK is dumb enough to not re-sign Jared Cook, I'd throw a big contract contract his way. GB can afford to pop for another proven receiver and Cook was arguably their top receiving threat by the end of '16. He hasn't lost any of his explosiveness, unlike Graham. If he's unavailable, Jesse James (PIT) would be a decent option. There are a few others.
 
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: ricky on November 07, 2018, 09:05:34 PM
A seemingly forgotten prospect is Cole Madison. Has he fixed his personal problems? Will he report to the Packers in 2019? Is he the real deal or another Spriggs?
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: The GM on November 08, 2018, 12:03:16 PM
A seemingly forgotten prospect is Cole Madison. Has he fixed his personal problems? Will he report to the Packers in 2019? Is he the real deal or another Spriggs?

Hes got issues bigger than football.  Its hard to say how this will go.  A guess would be just that, a guess.  I dont think the Packers even know the path this will take.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: RT on November 09, 2018, 07:48:57 AM
A seemingly forgotten prospect is Cole Madison. Has he fixed his personal problems? Will he report to the Packers in 2019? Is he the real deal or another Spriggs?

Very few know if Madison has overcome the issue that ended his rookie season before it started, but his agent suggested a couple of monthes back that he would be in GB to participate in the off-season workout program next year.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on November 09, 2018, 10:39:16 AM
Generally solid picks here. Most areas addressed somewhere. Only thing I really took issue with was another CB in the first two rounds, when there when early picks could help at so many positions. I like the Allen, Simmons, Scharping, and Scarlett picks. You did inspire me to have a quick 5 round go at Fanspeak (I chose Fanspeak/Steve's board, difficult level). I got:

1) DL Christian Wilkins Clemson.    Didn't go into the draft with a DL slotted as first pick, but it's a great year at that position, and it was best pick left on the board.
1) Edge Montez Sweat Miss St.    He will be a popular pick for the second rounder or the second, first round pick.
2) OT Calvin Throckmorten Oregon.    Very athletic, good run block technique, good size, versatile. Often rated third best tackle in this class.
3) Edge Brian Burns Florida St.    Tall, lightweight but very instinctive pass rusher. Can let him add weight as Sweat is also drafted. Too good to pass up here.
4) OT(G) Kaleb McGary Washington.    A tackle with good power, punch and torque, who struggles some with speed rushers. Should make a good guard
4) S Juan Thornhill UVA.    A solid safety with the range (approx 4.45 40) you want for a FS type rather than a box safety. Insurance if Josh Jones bombs. Packers need a vet added as well as this draft pick.
5) RB Benny Snell Kentucky.    A talented and powerfully built RB with enough speed to be dangerous. Can handle being used to pound a defense.

With a decent veteran safety added (there should be several solid ones available) and a vet TE to replace Lewis and Kendricks, the Pack should be good to go. Late picks might include a kicker, a second RB, and a return specialist (the last two may combine in one player).

So.......... help for Kenny Clark (who has way too many snaps at present), Bulaga's eventual successor, two talented edge guys to invigorate the pass rush, a tackle converted to guard (typical of the Packers), a free safety and a RB. Potentially most bases covered. As always, it would depend on how they step up to NFL standard.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: SET4YRS on November 09, 2018, 12:43:33 PM

 Nice picks, you made me decide to do my 1st ever fanspeak mock. One can only dream.

 1) DE/DT Raekwon Davis, Alabama
 1) OLB Josh Allen, Kentucky
 2) EDGE Austin Brytant, Clemson
 3) RG Connor McGovern, Penn st
 4) CB Amani Oruwariye, Penn st
 4) WRS/KR/PR Marquise Brown, Oklahoma
 5) S Jordan Fuller, Ohio st
 6) TE Tommy Sweeney, Boston College
 6) RB Trayveon Williams, Texas A&M
 7) ILB Dante Booker, Ohio st
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: dannobanano on November 09, 2018, 03:38:15 PM
Seeing familiar names being mentioned here, as I have been looking at several 2019 prospect sites.

Good, thoughtful choices being posted. I like numerous players that have been listed.


Not to be Johnny Raincloud..............But, what happens if they clean house with the coaching staff this year, and Pettine is a casualty as well?

What if a new coach hires a 4-3 DC?

We could be looking at a whole different angle as to what might be needed when it comes to draft priorities.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that, while this exercise is fun...............at this stage it may be totally down the wrong path.

I'll be making lists, but will keeping an open mind as to 3-4 & 4-3 needs.

 twocents)
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on November 09, 2018, 04:09:42 PM

What if a new coach hires a 4-3 DC?

We could be looking at a whole different angle as to what might be needed when it comes to draft priorities.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that, while this exercise is fun...............at this stage it may be totally down the wrong path. 

I'll be making lists, but will keeping an open mind as to 3-4 & 4-3 needs. twocents)

Most of my prospects are scheme flexible (Burns best fit is in a 4-3). However, Montez Sweat might be a square peg in a round hole, in a mainly 4-3 scheme. OT Throckmorten seems a player whose value varies a great deal across various sites. Some might be happier with someone like Wisconsin's Dave Edwards.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: dannobanano on November 09, 2018, 05:31:47 PM

What if a new coach hires a 4-3 DC?

We could be looking at a whole different angle as to what might be needed when it comes to draft priorities.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that, while this exercise is fun...............at this stage it may be totally down the wrong path. 

I'll be making lists, but will keeping an open mind as to 3-4 & 4-3 needs. twocents)

Most of my prospects are scheme flexible (Burns best fit is in a 4-3). However, Montez Sweat might be a square peg in a round hole, in a mainly 4-3 scheme. OT Throckmorten seems a player whose value varies a great deal across various sites. Some might be happier with someone like Wisconsin's Dave Edwards.

After the way Corbin Kaufusi absolutely abused Edwards in the UW/BYU game, I'm not that sold on Edwards.

OT's Cajuste, Throckmorten, Scharping, Risner, Evans, McCrary are all on my OT radar in rounds 2 through 4.

Crossing my fingers on Madison for 2019, but not betting my house.

I'm not even going to talk defense yet..........still too many unanswered questions about who's coaching next year. I hope you are thinking Burns (231#'s) as a 4-3 OLB?

TE won't get sniffed until the 3rd or 4th rounds. Kaden Smith, CJ Conrad, Tommy Sweeney, Mitchell Wilcox could all be in play if that's the case.

I also don't see RB any earlier than 3rd, 4th, maybe 5th rounds and beyond. I'm on board with Scarlett. I like Montgomery of ISU, and a couple lesser names............Qadree Ollison (Pitt) and Wes Hills (Slippery Rock). These guys are all a little bigger (215+) and can pound the rock inside.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: SET4YRS on November 09, 2018, 06:13:02 PM
Seeing familiar names being mentioned here, as I have been looking at several 2019 prospect sites.

Good, thoughtful choices being posted. I like numerous players that have been listed.


Not to be Johnny Raincloud..............But, what happens if they clean house with the coaching staff this year, and Pettine is a casualty as well?

What if a new coach hires a 4-3 DC?

We could be looking at a whole different angle as to what might be needed when it comes to draft priorities.

Guess what I'm trying to say is that, while this exercise is fun...............at this stage it may be totally down the wrong path.

I'll be making lists, but will keeping an open mind as to 3-4 & 4-3 needs.

 twocents)

 Yeah Danno, definitely agree with what you are saying. If we are picking at #14 like in this mock, Gute is probably going into total rebuild mode like TT did when he took over. That means getting all comp picks possible, rebuilding through the draft for a couple years and using cap space to front load extensions to our existing players he wants to keep.

 I haven't been doing any serious research on draft stuff, just snooping around here and there. These are some of the players I like for us so far in the process and I think many of these can play both 3-4 or 4-3.  Way too early to do any serious mocks even if we know what type of defense we are running next year.

Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on November 10, 2018, 01:45:32 AM
Yeah Danno, definitely agree with what you are saying. If we are picking at #14 like in this mock, Gute is probably going into total rebuild mode like TT did when he took over. That means getting all comp picks possible, rebuilding through the draft for a couple years and using cap space to front load extensions to our existing players he wants to keep.

Getting numbers of comp picks means not getting vets in (because they count against outgoing players). However, this can be countered with a two year plan *.

Year one, you let guys go, but don't get significant vets in (so you rack up comp picks for the next year).

Year two, you get to use those comp picks and you also bring in all the veterans you want (therefore few, if any comp picks the following year). Rinse and repeat.

Sort of a feast/famine tactic that could work nicely IF the forward planning is good (ie arranging for more key contracts to run out in a famine year). It would be tricky getting through the famine year, but it does make use of all resources (using both comp picks and signing imported veterans of average and better quality).

*Credit goes to a poster on another board for this original idea.

To Danno, who said about Burns being 230 odd pounds. I think he has been adding some weight, but he would need to work his way up up to about 255. I only chose Burns because I'd picked Sweat earlier as the more immediate fix, allowing Burns to fill in more as just a 3rd down rusher early on, giving him a year to fill out more. Though too light, Burns has loads of talent.

Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: mtsportsfan on November 11, 2018, 07:39:28 AM
Generally solid picks here. Most areas addressed somewhere. Only thing I really took issue with was another CB in the first two rounds, when there when early picks could help at so many positions. I like the Allen, Simmons, Scharping, and Scarlett picks. You did inspire me to have a quick 5 round go at Fanspeak (I chose Fanspeak/Steve's board, difficult level). I got:

1) DL Christian Wilkins Clemson.    Didn't go into the draft with a DL slotted as first pick, but it's a great year at that position, and it was best pick left on the board.
1) Edge Montez Sweat Miss St.    He will be a popular pick for the second rounder or the second, first round pick.
2) OT Calvin Throckmorten Oregon.    Very athletic, good run block technique, good size, versatile. Often rated third best tackle in this class.
3) Edge Brian Burns Florida St.    Tall, lightweight but very instinctive pass rusher. Can let him add weight as Sweat is also drafted. Too good to pass up here.
4) OT(G) Kaleb McGary Washington.    A tackle with good power, punch and torque, who struggles some with speed rushers. Should make a good guard
4) S Juan Thornhill UVA.    A solid safety with the range (approx 4.45 40) you want for a FS type rather than a box safety. Insurance if Josh Jones bombs. Packers need a vet added as well as this draft pick.
5) RB Benny Snell Kentucky.    A talented and powerfully built RB with enough speed to be dangerous. Can handle being used to pound a defense.

With a decent veteran safety added (there should be several solid ones available) and a vet TE to replace Lewis and Kendricks, the Pack should be good to go. Late picks might include a kicker, a second RB, and a return specialist (the last two may combine in one player).

So.......... help for Kenny Clark (who has way too many snaps at present), Bulaga's eventual successor, two talented edge guys to invigorate the pass rush, a tackle converted to guard (typical of the Packers), a free safety and a RB. Potentially most bases covered. As always, it would depend on how they step up to NFL standard.
nice job on this mock! You hit on almost all of our needs. This team needs to get better up front on both sides of the ball , in which you did.  Don't need to see draft picks on the cb position or wr ,we have spent alot of  picks on those two. Need to protect and get after the qb.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: mancl on November 11, 2018, 06:34:32 PM
You gotta deal with free agency first.  They have a lot of room with Matthews, Cobb and HHCD off of the books.  Could have a lot more depending upon what they do with Prry Bulaga and Graham.

I would try to address OL and safety, possibly TE with major moves.  May be looking at adding depth as well.

That opens the door to going  D front 7 with the first 2 picks. Obviously they need an edge rusher but they should pick up Dlineman as well.  Lowry, Daniels and Clark will all be FA after the 2019 season and you can only count on Clark being back. Plus this is not just a good draft for D linemen but one draftnik said it could be a generational draft for D linemen.

Would look to take a TE in the second-

Speaking of draftniks.  Two guys at CBS sports did mocks recently One has the Pack taking a guard with the top pick ( to play next to DB) and a WR with the NO pick.  The other guy had them taking Edwards and a WR.  How can these clowns take a pay check in good conscience when they are so incredibly out of touch?
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on November 12, 2018, 02:17:40 AM

Speaking of draftniks.  Two guys at CBS sports did mocks recently One has the Pack taking a guard with the top pick ( to play next to DB) and a WR with the NO pick.  The other guy had them taking Edwards and a WR.  How can these clowns take a pay check in good conscience when they are so incredibly out of touch?

I had a good laugh over that, mancl. WR might have made sense if the Packers rookie receivers hadn't developed (and because they looked good, they are racking up valuable playing time). But a receiver, NOW, absolutely not. You let MVS, ESB and forgotten man J'Mon Moore continue to develop for another year, so you know what you already have, before you waste a pick. TE makes some sense, (we are talking round 2-3 here), but not WR.

As for a guard....... in round ONE (with the first of the two round one picks as well), Lord, they have no idea how the Packers roll. How many time have the Packers got to succeed drafting interior offensive linemen with 4th and 5th round picks, before CBS takes note. Even beyond that, they have ignored the usual policy of the Packers to take a tackle and convert him to guard, as they like the athleticism it gives them there.Their draft site was pretty pathetic last year (and kept going wrong), sad for a site I used to go to a lot.

Just look at what happened to the 49ers when they drafted Iupati (17th pick, round 1). He was an excellent guard, but the 49ers couldn't afford his second contract, because they were unwilling to commit $8m to an interior lineman. Then there is Jonathan Cooper, a first round pick that showed any position can bust, even guard.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: PackerYakker on November 12, 2018, 01:03:41 PM
Generally solid picks here. Most areas addressed somewhere. Only thing I really took issue with was another CB in the first two rounds, when there when early picks could help at so many positions.
It guess it depends on what you think of Jackson as a potential starter. I'm not sold on him. How could anyone be? He wasn't impressive yesterday vs. a weak MIA passing offense and hasn't looked like a starting quality player this season. He appears half a click slow and may ultimately end up at safety.

Kevin King looks talented enough, but he's had chronic injury issues thus far. Banking on both Jackson and King as essentially full time players on the outside, with next to no talent behind them, seems too risky. You can't have a weak link at CB. If King can't stay healthy or Jackson doesn't progress, that's exactly what they'll have. Excepting OLB, the other pressing needs can be addressed either in free agency or later in the draft. Quality cover men don't last past the 3rd round, if that.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on November 12, 2018, 03:05:16 PM
I guess it depends on what you think of Jackson as a potential starter. I'm not sold on him. How could anyone be? He wasn't impressive yesterday vs. a weak MIA passing offense and hasn't looked like a starting quality player this season. He appears half a click slow and may ultimately end up at safety.

The Packers have invested 7 first or second round picks at DB, in the last five years. That is a heavy over-investment already. Now I understand that things sometimes don't work out in any given position group, but only 3 picks used on non-DBs, is already seriously under-investing in the rest of the team, you don't want to add even more to that unless you have to.

You must give Jackson time. He is, after all, a rookie, so no to another high pick at DB for 'just in case' scenarios. If Jackson still looks underwhelming (at CB) after two full years, fair enough. Richard Sherman, had an identical 40 time to Jackson (4.56) and both were the same weight (195lb), so while Jackson is shorter, he is stockier. Closer to home is Mike McKenzie (ran a 4.58), who is a similar size/weight and was a solid player for Green Bay.

I was impressed by how well Jackson played in college and how broke to the ball and racked up interceptions there. Imagine (for example) dismissing WR Adams after HIS second, fairly unexciting year in the league. One rookie year usually isn't enough to be sure, half a rookie year is even more premature. Not everyone can flash 'out of the box' in the way Alexander did.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: dannobanano on November 12, 2018, 04:53:44 PM
I guess it depends on what you think of Jackson as a potential starter. I'm not sold on him. How could anyone be? He wasn't impressive yesterday vs. a weak MIA passing offense and hasn't looked like a starting quality player this season. He appears half a click slow and may ultimately end up at safety.

The Packers have invested 7 first or second round picks at DB, in the last five years. That is a heavy over-investment already. Now I understand that things sometimes don't work out in any given position group, but only 3 picks used on non-DBs, is already seriously under-investing in the rest of the team, you don't want to add even more to that unless you have to.

You must give Jackson time. He is, after all, a rookie, so no to another high pick at DB for 'just in case' scenarios. If Jackson still looks underwhelming (at CB) after two full years, fair enough. Richard Sherman, had an identical 40 time to Jackson (4.56) and both were the same weight (195lb), so while Jackson is shorter, he is stockier. Closer to home is Mike McKenzie (ran a 4.58), who is a similar size/weight and was a solid player for Green Bay.

I was impressed by how well Jackson played in college and how broke to the ball and racked up interceptions there. Imagine (for example) dismissing WR Adams after HIS second, fairly unexciting year in the league. One rookie year usually isn't enough to be sure, half a rookie year is even more premature. Not everyone can flash 'out of the box' in the way Alexander did.

I'll second what OneTwoSixFive is saying here, and add that Jackson played mostly zone at Iowa, so he's having to learn man-press for Pettine.

He's going through some growing pains, but he has a high football IQ and top notch instincts. Give him a little time.

But I could envision a possible switch to Safety for next year. Let him play centerfield, read the QB and make plays on the ball. After all, he was a WR before converting to CB at Iowa.

I was also impressed with how Tony Brown is progressing. Man, if he can get it together between the ears, he has all the other tools to be a solid performer.

Also, Will Redmond was touted as a possible high draft pick before tearing up his knee dropped his draft stock to being a 3rd round pick.
http://ninerslive.net/49ers-will-redmond-emerge-as-the-draft-gem-of-2016/ (http://ninerslive.net/49ers-will-redmond-emerge-as-the-draft-gem-of-2016/)
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Daniel Jeremiah of NFL.com had this to say about Redmond shortly after the 2016 NFL draft: “If healthy, he could have snuck into the back end of the first round.  He has a big-time burst, but was unable to put time down on paper due to injury.”

I'll add that GB should resign Bashaud Breeland (give him Tramon's contract), and I think they can pass on drafting another CB next year.

Safety could likely be in the offering for next years draft. How high? Let's wait and see if Josh Jones and Raven Green can stack success on top of this weeks solid play.

I was pleasantly surprised by both of them. Would be great if their arrow's keep pointing up.
Title: Re: '19 Mock v.1
Post by: SET4YRS on November 12, 2018, 08:27:11 PM
 Nice posts. Lots to be excited about for the future. Players really seem to be taking to Pettine's defense and Gute isn't messing around when it comes to bringing players in.

 The strength of the draft so far is DL and Passrushers (finally!). It also looks like it could shape up to be a good OL and DB class too. You guys are more than likely right with Gute going with the BPA meets NEED strat in the 1st three rounds. After that though I can see a DB or two in later rounds if they are BPA, especially being armed with 10 picks.

 I see complaints about our O-line from some posters, but I think most the teams by far in the league would love to have ours. Sure there were some plays given up against some elite passrushers and times when Rodgers hung on to the ball for too long. Bulaga when healthy is still a really good player and they really seem to like Bell. I agree we need to think about the future at RT, but really don't see it as an emergency at this time.

 No doubt Gute will have another good draft, hopefully we finish the season on a good note instead of a bad one.