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Title: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: marklawrence on January 07, 2019, 05:42:41 AM
 https://dairylandexpress.com/2019/01/06/the-green-bay-packers-blueprint-to-bring-the-lombardi-trophy-back-home/
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: GBRoCk2 on January 07, 2019, 06:55:53 AM
Interesting take, I was expecting to open the article and read something about certain positions being neglected in the draft, mis-using free agency, or waiting too long to get rid of Capers. Something of that nature...

Definitely a unique observation that it necessarily doesn't take a top WR unit to reach the Super Bowl, granted, we all too soon forget the Falcons group a couple years ago.

I feel with Adams, Allison (I'm assuming he is brought back), MVS, St. Brown, Kumerow, and Moore you can probably get by with this group under a new offensive scheme, my hope is the younger players make a leap in year two. That said I still always like bringing in a player or two to compete.

It was mentioned on the radio this morning, strong offensive line play was one reason many of the playoff teams succeeded and are in the position they are this season, these were some of the better offensive lines in the league, as opposed to grabbing a WR in the first three rounds like we seemingly do every year, you have the chance to perhaps grab an offensive linemen with 2 of your first 4 picks, unless you sign a free agent.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-17

Colts - 3rd
Patriots - 4th
Philly - 5th
Rams - 6th
Saints - 8th
Baltimore - 10th
Bears - 11th
Chiefs - 13th

Now, I know are unit was ranked fairly high and a lot of us might very well disagree with our own eye test, and these rankings might be subjective, but watching the wild card teams over the weekend, all of them did a solid job protecting the QB, besides Baltimore.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: SET4YRS on January 07, 2019, 08:16:08 AM
 OK. No to Antonio Brown, check. Other than that, really? If you have an elite QB you surround him with weapons, it's a passing league. The team record does not reflect those decisions with Rodgers being out almost an entire year and it includes this year's melt down. Cobb played out his rookie contract and was rewarded according to what he would have gotten in FA with a home team discount. Nelson played on the cheap for years and was rewarded. Sounds like a class organization looked out for their own players that fit their team.

 Sure, things ran their course and some mistakes were made over the last few years. No GM has a good draft or makes a good splash in free agency every year. There should definitely be a few more playmakers on defense from the drafts and the next great GB WR in the later developmental stages.

 Not needing WR'S to win a SB? Philly is loaded with weapons. They have the luxury of spreading the ball around, individual stats mean little when you have that, very bad example.

 




Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: marklawrence on January 07, 2019, 09:06:15 AM
Philly, like the Rams, KC, and the Browns, have a cheap QB. It's easy to spread money around when you have a cheap QB. They have a $25m / year advantage over us. That means we need to economize. They don't.

That said, weapons are good. Since that little sh*t hunt got himself suspended, depriving Mahomes of his favorite outlet receiver, KC's average points have dropped by nearly a third. If KC doesn't win the SB, a good part of that will be because some 21 y/o punk just had to kick the drunk slut. On camera.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 07, 2019, 12:30:47 PM
You mean Wolf's not surrounding Favre with decent receivers was a good idea? That investing elsewhere would lead to more wins? Agreed that overpaying at any position (except QB?) is a waste. But then again, where do you put the money? Which so you emphasize, offense or defense? And how much do you pay for a top LT? Arguably the most important player besides the QB. Notice, the writer tells us where NOT to spend money, but neglects to offer an opinion as to where the money should be spend. Maybe that will be in his next posting.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 07, 2019, 12:35:16 PM
IMHO....IF  you list the BEST BLUE chip player for the Packers...not based on future , you may have 1 on defense...Clark...

Really we don't have very many period..
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: claymaker on January 07, 2019, 12:46:51 PM
It's a different take on the same sort of perspective I have. I'm not sold on the reliance of FA to fill gaps in the roster, which Thompson actually did rather well. Thompson doesn't get any points for signing players Peppers or Woodson or the players he drafted with compensatory picks, but gets plenty of shade for all the players he didn't sign (in this case the ones he did.) I thought the real issue was not retaining certain players, and the root issue was taking the draft and develop philosophy to the extreme. Finally, due to the reliance on the draft and the increasing gap between the college game and the NFL they finally found themselves with players who weren't capable of executing a pro style offense. Which creates a bigger problem for the longevity of the NFL, IMO.   

Can we really blame them for signing Cobb, Nelson, or Matthews to their deals? Post hoc reasoning only flies with me if you submit to the reality of the past. We can cite Superbowl winners and players like "Golden Tate, David Givens, Deion Branch, Qadry Ismail, Julian Edelman, Marques Colston, and Plaxico Burress" for reasoning why teams don't need top tier WRs, but the reality is those players were/are all top tier WRs. Sure they were not Calvin Johnson or Julio Jones but they were starters. I wouldn't disagree overpaying for elite WRs can be a mistake, but equating the deals Nelson and Cobb received to the mega contracts is a straw man. Let's not forget the Packers won a Superbowl with Jordy Nelson, who exploded the very next year, 2011, with 1200+ yards and 15 TDs - those are elite numbers. Greg Jennings also had a huge year in 2010, 1200+ yards and 12 TDs.

Per the article, I would disagree that WR is the least important position on the team. While teams don't need elite WRs to win football games and championships, they do need good ones. All those names listed in the article were good WRs in their own right and and some borderline elite players.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: SET4YRS on January 07, 2019, 01:32:18 PM
 We need to draft a slot WR to pair with Rodgers for the rest of his career. Very important. Defense is the strength of UFA this year. Need to stay healthy more than anything, I don't think any team could have overcome the injuries we had this year and made a playoff run.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 15, 2019, 03:48:50 PM
Philly, like the Rams, KC, and the Browns, have a cheap QB. It's easy to spread money around when you have a cheap QB. They have a $25m / year advantage over us. That means we need to economize. They don't.

That said, weapons are good. Since that little sh*t Hill got himself suspended, depriving Mahomes of his favorite outlet receiver, KC's average points have dropped by nearly a third. If KC doesn't win the SB, a good part of that will be because some 21 y/o punk just had to kick the drunk slut. On camera.

Kareem Hunt but yeah.  And now Nagy is talking to him and about second chances.

Parcells, also, did not prefer to invest in WRs.  Shiny hood ornament and all...

Of course, that really was a different era of football.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: Shinesman on January 16, 2019, 11:10:25 AM
Philly, like the Rams, KC, and the Browns, have a cheap QB. It's easy to spread money around when you have a cheap QB. They have a $25m / year advantage over us. That means we need to economize. They don't.

That said, weapons are good. Since that little sh*t hunt got himself suspended, depriving Mahomes of his favorite outlet receiver, KC's average points have dropped by nearly a third. If KC doesn't win the SB, a good part of that will be because some 21 y/o punk just had to kick the drunk slut. On camera.

 hysterical hysterical hysterical

Didnt you just yell at me this season about being PG13, and you called her a drunk slut? Lol
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: skcusICH on January 16, 2019, 12:17:16 PM
The Chiefs, Rams, and Saints have tremendous WR options this year on the cheap.

The Chiefs have Tyreek Hill on his mid round rookie deal and Sammy Watkins having a cap hit of just $7.8 million this year, but jumping to $19.2 million next season. Hill will enter the final year of his deal next year and will certainly be looking at significant money.

The Rams have Brandin Cooks this year at $5.4 million, before inflating up to $15.3 million next season. Robert Woods comes in this year with a modest hit of $7.0 million and dropping to $5.5 million next season. He's looking severely underpaid and is signed through the end of the 2021 season.

Then there are the Saints having to only count $1.4 million on the books for Michael Thomas who is still on the rookie contract next season.

If having good WR's on the cheap(relative) is a major factor, the Packers could be in good shape going forward. With Cobb off the books, the Packers fall right into line money wise with these teams with overall WR spending. Allison would add $2-3 million when/if he's offered a RFA tender. He was on pace for a really good season before he was hurt. Assuming MVS and ESB can round out their games and become a little more consistent, those 3 should provide a solid WR core (along with Adams & Kumerow) at a cost that's no higher than middle of the road for team WR spending. The key will be to capitalize on it and fill key short term holes.

They've hit on some playmakers, studs, and contributors who are still on their rookie deals. A. Jones, Alexander, Clark, maybe Fackrell, Martinez, maybe a WR. Those are all vital positions and they have the LT, C, and QB in place. The time is right now to make a push, be aggressive with free agency and trades.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: Gregg on January 17, 2019, 01:26:23 PM
I questioned that decision at the time.  I thought giving Nelson that contract made sense but I did not like the Cobb deal.

Slot receivers are not that difficult to secure, but tall rangy guys with hands who can run 4.5 are a bit harder to find.

Gute bit the bullet and cut Nelson.  Would not be surprised to see Cobb leave also.  That would free up some money to sign a LB out of FA.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 17, 2019, 04:45:43 PM
I think that the decision was correct on Jordy, although it was tough to see.  Will be a bit difficult to see Cobb leave too but I support it.  Somehow, that relationship needs to be built with the new guys.  That being said, if the new offense has a strict design/scheme and thereby creates separation then less experienced players should still be able to produce.  Just put the ball on the money.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 18, 2019, 04:14:59 PM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 18, 2019, 05:51:30 PM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.

I know that MM was said to be the pick at HC because of his history in GB.  I also know that SP reportedly preferred NO. That being said, we know how both teams, and candidates, work the press as one, or the other, loses interest in the job/hire. I doubt that we will ever know if SP was actually preferred by GB or if he preferred NO.

One thing we do know, SP evolved his offense over time. His use of Hill proves this.  Separately, It appears that TT greatly emasculated MM by ruling GB with an iron fist.  Players noticed this. MM had difficulty holding the team accountable because he could not hold tough practices, play key players in pre-season, call players out etc.  He lost his authority.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 18, 2019, 08:19:54 PM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.

I know that MM was said to be the pick at HC because of his history in GB.  I also know that SP reportedly preferred NO. That being said, we know how both teams, and candidates, work the press as one, or the other, loses interest in the job/hire. I doubt that we will ever know if SP was actually preferred by GB or if he preferred NO.

One thing we do know, SP evolved his offense over time. His use of Hill proves this.  Separately, It appears that TT greatly emasculated MM by ruling GB with an iron fist.  Players noticed this. MM had difficulty holding the team accountable because he could not hold tough practices, play key players in pre-season, call players out etc.  He lost his authority.

TT "ruled GB with an iron fist"? OK. So, if you have some sources who could back this up, please share them. If this is a personal opinion, fine. That's another matter. It seemed that MM and AR had some conflicts from time to time, and that it finally came to a head this year. And the stubborness and extreme loyalty (are the traits interdependent?) were also obvious problems. So, it wouldn't have matter who the HC was? That Payton would have been handcuffed by TT's "iron fist"? I respectfully disagree. Other said years ago that MM should go. I disagreed. I was wrong. Hopefully, I'll be more adaptable and open to new ideas, rather than stubborn and too loyal.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: Shinesman on January 19, 2019, 01:41:38 AM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.

I know that MM was said to be the pick at HC because of his history in GB.  I also know that SP reportedly preferred NO. That being said, we know how both teams, and candidates, work the press as one, or the other, loses interest in the job/hire. I doubt that we will ever know if SP was actually preferred by GB or if he preferred NO.

One thing we do know, SP evolved his offense over time. His use of Hill proves this.  Separately, It appears that TT greatly emasculated MM by ruling GB with an iron fist.  Players noticed this. MM had difficulty holding the team accountable because he could not hold tough practices, play key players in pre-season, call players out etc.  He lost his authority.

Where was it reported that Peyton preferred NO? I remember reading that he really wanted the GB job. It was one of the most coveted jobs in the league at the time.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ThatGuy284 on January 19, 2019, 07:04:11 AM
I have no doubt ya’ll would have been extremely patient during the three seasons in a row the Saints put up losing records.  Or having more losing seasons in his tenure than McCarthy.   Or during Bounty-Gate.  Or having won “ONLY” one Super Bowl with a Hall of Fame QB that owns nearly every major passing record.  Or the fact they only made it to one SB. Certainly there would have been no comments that his time has grown stale during his 12 year coaching tenure in one place.  No comments or whispers about his and Brees’ relationship during some contentious contract disputes by Brees.  No somehow placing blame on Payton for his safety’s epic mistake against Minny in the playoffs.   Nope - it would have been ride or die with Payton.  I’m sure of it. 
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 19, 2019, 02:13:29 PM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.

I know that MM was said to be the pick at HC because of his history in GB.  I also know that SP reportedly preferred NO. That being said, we know how both teams, and candidates, work the press as one, or the other, loses interest in the job/hire. I doubt that we will ever know if SP was actually preferred by GB or if he preferred NO.

One thing we do know, SP evolved his offense over time. His use of Hill proves this.  Separately, It appears that TT greatly emasculated MM by ruling GB with an iron fist.  Players noticed this. MM had difficulty holding the team accountable because he could not hold tough practices, play key players in pre-season, call players out etc.  He lost his authority.

TT "ruled GB with an iron fist"? OK. So, if you have some sources who could back this up, please share them. If this is a personal opinion, fine. That's another matter. It seemed that MM and AR had some conflicts from time to time, and that it finally came to a head this year. And the stubborness and extreme loyalty (are the traits interdependent?) were also obvious problems. So, it wouldn't have matter who the HC was? That Payton would have been handcuffed by TT's "iron fist"? I respectfully disagree. Other said years ago that MM should go. I disagreed. I was wrong. Hopefully, I'll be more adaptable and open to new ideas, rather than stubborn and too loyal.

Bill Michaels
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 19, 2019, 02:14:12 PM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.

I know that MM was said to be the pick at HC because of his history in GB.  I also know that SP reportedly preferred NO. That being said, we know how both teams, and candidates, work the press as one, or the other, loses interest in the job/hire. I doubt that we will ever know if SP was actually preferred by GB or if he preferred NO.

One thing we do know, SP evolved his offense over time. His use of Hill proves this.  Separately, It appears that TT greatly emasculated MM by ruling GB with an iron fist.  Players noticed this. MM had difficulty holding the team accountable because he could not hold tough practices, play key players in pre-season, call players out etc.  He lost his authority.

Where was it reported that Peyton preferred NO? I remember reading that he really wanted the GB job. It was one of the most coveted jobs in the league at the time.

Bill Michaels. I also said that it may have been put out there by his people after TT went for MM. no one really knows what happened first.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 19, 2019, 02:17:35 PM
TT started making decisions on media promotions.  He instituted the GPS monitors.  He determined player usage in pre-season games. It is all there on podcasts from Bill Michaels.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 19, 2019, 05:07:51 PM
TT started making decisions on media promotions.  He instituted the GPS monitors.  He determined player usage in pre-season games. It is all there on podcasts from Bill Michaels.

Here's a recent article from Dougherty about the use of GPS devices. Which sounds like it was a progressive, change with the times move:

https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/dougherty/2018/02/20/dougherty-packers-poised-profit-data-dump/354794002/

As far as controlling who would play in the exhibition season, since TT would ultimately have the final decision on who would make the squad, probably with input from others (speculation), then he would want to see the players he thought had the best chance to make the squad in some manner play in games that would come as close as possible to simulating real games. So, maybe that's ominous, or maybe its normal across the league.

https://www.packers.com/news/roster-decisions-loom-as-packers-preseason-concludes

Did he call the plays from the sidelines? Determine the offensive or defensive game plan for the team? Did he push MM to fire underperforming coaches? As far as controlling media events...  ::)



Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 19, 2019, 09:46:39 PM
No, he did not call the plays etc.  I don’t understand the need to be fecetious. 

What I am also referring to is the lack of accountability and excessive complacency that clearly was displayed by the team and articulated by the leadership council. MM lost his authority with the team when he could no longer demand more physical practices etc.  He could not discipline players the way that he wanted to.  Players are smart enough to know who is calling the shots.  Players got comfortable.  TT had a hand in this from what I have been listening to.  Gutekunst had several times the number of players audition for roles through the season than TT ever did.  He has brought more competition and the players want this - at least the leaders do.  I encourage you to listen to the same podcasts.  I would be interested on your take afterwards.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: marklawrence on January 20, 2019, 09:09:47 AM
TT started making decisions on media promotions.  He instituted the GPS monitors.  He determined player usage in pre-season games. It is all there on podcasts from Bill Michaels.

Tts job includes evaluating players, which requires tape. It's reasonable for him to tell the coach which players he wants to see.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 20, 2019, 12:49:47 PM
No, he did not call the plays etc.  I don’t understand the need to be fecetious. 

What I am also referring to is the lack of accountability and excessive complacency that clearly was displayed by the team and articulated by the leadership council. MM lost his authority with the team when he could no longer demand more physical practices etc.  He could not discipline players the way that he wanted to.  Players are smart enough to know who is calling the shots.  Players got comfortable.  TT had a hand in this from what I have been listening to.  Gutekunst had several times the number of players audition for roles through the season than TT ever did.  He has brought more competition and the players want this - at least the leaders do.  I encourage you to listen to the same podcasts.  I would be interested on your take afterwards.

The comments weren't meant to be facetious. What the Packers have is a delegation of authority. The GM will draft players, select the final roster (again, hopefully this will be done with input from others, including the HC, OC and DC, at a minimum). The GM will also handle things like player evaluation on a regular basis.  The three people mentioned above would be doing this, as well as position coaches, of course. Now, as to when and why the players became complacent, that seems to have been a team problem. Blame has to equally go to MM, TT amd Mark Murphy. This seems to be changing under Gutekunst- trading Burnett wven though the backups were not ready; getting rid of Montgomery after the Rams debacle; and some additions in FA. The FA moves haven't worked very well, but at least he took some swings, which TT has not done for a while. Yes, Peppers and Woodson were great additions, as was Cook to a lesser extent. But to blame TT exclusively while giving MM a pass on a stale offense, keeping around underperforming assistants (Capers and Zook in particular), and just plain being stuck on the same offense when it clearly needed revamping, no, I don't buy it. Lots of blame to go around. Sometimes a coach can be successful for years, like Belichick in NE or Payton in NO. Sometimes not, like Lewis in Cincy or Tomlin in Pitt. And, sure, I'd be happy to listen to the podcasts. Could you give me the dates or some indication of which podcasts are Packer related? Or is it a mixed bag? 
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 20, 2019, 01:11:34 PM
I have no doubt ya’ll would have been extremely patient during the three seasons in a row the Saints put up losing records. 
This assumes the Packers would also have had losing seasons under Payton. The Packers had a significantly better team, and therefore turned things around quickly after a slow start the first season under Rodgers. Why wouldn't Payton have had the same success as MM?
Or having more losing seasons in his tenure than McCarthy.  Same question. Or during Bounty-Gate.  Or having won “ONLY” one Super Bowl with a Hall of Fame QB that owns nearly every major passing record. Which is the same number of SB wins MM had with Favre AND Rodgers. Or the fact they only made it to one SB. Ditto. Certainly there would have been no comments that his time has grown stale during his 12 year coaching tenure in one place. Are there rumblings in NO on this issue? If so, please post a link. No comments or whispers about his and Brees’ relationship during some contentious contract disputes by Brees. Contract disputes are between management and player, not coach and player. And there were several instances of AR and MM clashing on the sidelines. No somehow placing blame on Payton for his safety’s epic mistake against Minny in the playoffs. Did anyone blame MM for the blown onside kick during the Seattle debacle? Maybe some, as I'm sure some blamed Payton for the misplay of his safety. And your point is...?  Nope - it would have been ride or die with Payton.  I’m sure of it. Sarcasm is indeed deep with this one. The question isn't whether the fans would have been as patient or accepting of Payton. They wouldn't. I'm sure there are those in NE who are unhappy with Belichick. Again, what is your point? That fans are fickle and demand success or heads on a platter? How about that. But Payton has continued to adjust and modify his offense and effectively build the defense. MM didn't.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: Shinesman on January 21, 2019, 01:39:54 AM
It could be argued that TT's big mistake was hiring MM rather than Sean Payton. But then again, hindsight is always 20/20; and, of course, hindsight changes with the political/social whims of the times. If Cobb had been allowed to walk, and done well with another team (ala Hayward), we'd still be pointing that out as a big mistake. Its all relative.

I know that MM was said to be the pick at HC because of his history in GB.  I also know that SP reportedly preferred NO. That being said, we know how both teams, and candidates, work the press as one, or the other, loses interest in the job/hire. I doubt that we will ever know if SP was actually preferred by GB or if he preferred NO.

One thing we do know, SP evolved his offense over time. His use of Hill proves this.  Separately, It appears that TT greatly emasculated MM by ruling GB with an iron fist.  Players noticed this. MM had difficulty holding the team accountable because he could not hold tough practices, play key players in pre-season, call players out etc.  He lost his authority.

Where was it reported that Peyton preferred NO? I remember reading that he really wanted the GB job. It was one of the most coveted jobs in the league at the time.

Bill Michaels. I also said that it may have been put out there by his people after TT went for MM. no one really knows what happened first.

True. I was just curious because anytime I have looked into the process and read articles of those who were involved, Peyton was the pick,  but TT went with someone who had been in "the club" before.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 22, 2019, 02:50:49 PM
I think that it needs to be considered as a possibility that the offense frequently started the season flat because it did not play as a unit in the pre-season.  It was TT's decision to sit, nearly, the entire unit.  I think that needs to be a coach's decision.  If players are slacking during preseason practice then the HC should have the power to play them extensively in preseason as well.  Furthermore, the GM and HC need to be working hand in hand.  Clearly, that was not happening in GB as TT withdrew more and more all while making unilateral decisions without consulting MM.

The podcasts, indeed, are a mixed bag but are divided up fairly well into segments and hours of the radio broadcast with all pre-recorded commercials filtered out.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: dannobanano on January 22, 2019, 05:24:11 PM
The same thing happened this year with BG as the new GM.

Was it the GM who chose to sit people?

Or was it MM who chose to sit them?

Honest question.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: ricky on January 22, 2019, 06:15:52 PM
The same thing happened this year with BG as the new GM.

Was it the GM who chose to sit people?

Or was it MM who chose to sit them?

Honest question.

Or it could simply be a team decision. After all, how many people howled with outrage after Jordy hurt his knee during an exhibition game? A chief complainer was also Rodgers. So, play your starters in meaningless games, and taet ke a chance on them getting hurt; or give them enough time to hopefully to get ready for the regular season. Just be aware that either way, you leave yourself open to criticism.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: dannobanano on January 22, 2019, 06:50:57 PM
The same thing happened this year with BG as the new GM.

Was it the GM who chose to sit people?

Or was it MM who chose to sit them?

Honest question.

Or it could simply be a team decision. After all, how many people howled with outrage after Jordy hurt his knee during an exhibition game? A chief complainer was also Rodgers. So, play your starters in meaningless games, and taet ke a chance on them getting hurt; or give them enough time to hopefully to get ready for the regular season. Just be aware that either way, you leave yourself open to criticism.

I think it's all part of the "complacency theory".

MM figured he knew his players, and especially his stars, and what they needed to do to work out the kinks in preseason.

(http://cdn.mamamia.com.au/wp/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/hechosepoorly720-720x415.jpg)
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: craig on January 23, 2019, 11:05:52 AM
I think it's hard to believe that MM was "unilaterally" making playing exhibition-season playing-time decisions against MM's will.  Against MM's will being key.  I think those guys talked all the time.  I don't doubt that maybe they talked and MM said, "Hey, that UDFA kid Sam Shields has been looking really good, I wonder if that will carry over into games and if we should keep him on the roster?"  And MM saying, "Yeah, same, we'll try to give some extended minutes in the remaining games to get a better look and better prepare him for the season, assuming he earns a roster spot."  I think they were discussing guys as professionals and colleagues all the time, and balancing the four desires of preparing the team; preparing and protecting the core players whose roster spots are not uncertain; getting looks at the prospects; and preparing the prospects for in-season usage. 

I just totally struggle to envision relatively gentle TT unilaterally forcing strong, stubborn MM how to apportion exhibition minutes contrary to what MM really wanted to do.
Title: Re: Thompson's big mistake
Post by: #66 on January 23, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
I think it's hard to believe that MM was "unilaterally" making playing exhibition-season playing-time decisions against MM's will.  Against MM's will being key.  I think those guys talked all the time.  I don't doubt that maybe they talked and MM said, "Hey, that UDFA kid Sam Shields has been looking really good, I wonder if that will carry over into games and if we should keep him on the roster?"  And MM saying, "Yeah, same, we'll try to give some extended minutes in the remaining games to get a better look and better prepare him for the season, assuming he earns a roster spot."  I think they were discussing guys as professionals and colleagues all the time, and balancing the four desires of preparing the team; preparing and protecting the core players whose roster spots are not uncertain; getting looks at the prospects; and preparing the prospects for in-season usage. 

I just totally struggle to envision relatively gentle TT unilaterally forcing strong, stubborn MM how to apportion exhibition minutes contrary to what MM really wanted to do.

I had a hard time imagining it all too.  That is why the info stood out so starkly to me.