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Title: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 10, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
Thought a dedicated threat to hirings, firings, or rumors relating to assistant coaches might be nice?   

https://twitter.com/RobDemovsky

Out:
Zook (Demovsky)
Raih (young WR coach)  (per Demovsky)

Rumor:
Brayden Coombs rumored to be coming to Packers, young guy, assistant ST guy at Bengals

Note:  Demovsky says Raih was given permission to talk elsewhere, and a rumor that he wouldn't be back.  But didn't say he was actually out for sure or fired or anything. 

Silverstein says that Pettine will be back; but I'm not sure that was an "official" fact, or just his assumption based on what he's heard. 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: footballdad on January 11, 2019, 01:31:12 AM
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/10/ron-zook-out-as-packers-remake-staff/

Finally...........................
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: mancl on January 11, 2019, 06:24:15 AM
Philbin has interviewed for the O line position with the Vikings.

Minnesota is interested in talking with Campen as are other teams.  He is under contract and the Packers don't have to let him interview with anyone if they don't want to.  Given that he is well regarded in the league and he can bring some continunity to the team I would think MLF would be inclined to keep him on.

I saw somewhere that the tight ends coach was going to be retained but I am not going to look back to see if I can find a link.  He is a coach that is respected in the Packer organization.

Someone speculated that the Packers could bring in Caldwell as the QB coach.  He obviously has the experience and has worked with Peyton Manning so he has come cred.

There may not have been an official announcement but Pettitine will be back.  He wants to come back, the Packer brass really want him back and MLF had him on his list of DC's he'd like to hire.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/01/10/packers-matt-lafleur-looking-former-jaguars-oc-nathaniel-hackett/2540444002/

It's fun to throw out names but even the beat writers don't know if an assistant is capable unless it is very clear they are good or bad ( see Ron Zook)

Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: mancl on January 11, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/11/matt-lafleur-packers-should-consider-john-defilippo-for-offensive-coordinator/

Interesting idea- his name was being bandied about at HC candidate earlier during the season and Zimmer has a reputation as being hired as offensive coordinator

In other news Hacket, the former Jax coach is in Green Bay today to talk about the HC job according to Rappaport

And Demonsky poured water on the idea that Coombs will be special teams coach
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: packlaw on January 11, 2019, 02:16:02 PM
Multiple reports indicate Mike Pettine retained as DC
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 11, 2019, 02:19:24 PM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/11/matt-lafleur-packers-should-consider-john-defilippo-for-offensive-coordinator/

Interesting idea- his name was being bandied about at HC candidate earlier during the season and Zimmer has a reputation as being hired as offensive coordinator

In other news Hacket, the former Jax coach is in Green Bay today to talk about the HC job according to Rappaport

And Demonsky poured water on the idea that Coombs will be special teams coach

What I find weird about that is HOW does a guy go from assistant ST's coach to an OC?

Something fishy I think.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: mancl on January 11, 2019, 02:32:36 PM
Coombs was not under consideration for O C job.

But Monken, is under consideration for OC according to a report.  You may recall that he was with Tampa and was interviewed for the head job.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: ricky on January 11, 2019, 02:41:45 PM
Coombs was not under consideration for O C job.

But Monken, is under consideration for OC according to a report.  You may recall that he was with Tampa and was interviewed for the head job.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/11/report-todd-monken-up-for-offensive-coordinator-in-detroit-green-bay/
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: The GM on January 11, 2019, 04:18:49 PM
Gary Kubiak isn't going to be the offensive coordinator in Denver.   He wanted to bring some coaches to the staff and Fangio said "No".  Kubiak may remain in Denver in the personnel section.  LaFluer worked for Kubiak in Houston.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Shinesman on January 11, 2019, 04:32:08 PM
Silverstein tweeted that Joe Whitt is gone(termination). 2 minutes ago.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 11, 2019, 04:40:49 PM
Wow, interesting! Hadn't expected that. 

Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 11, 2019, 04:46:31 PM
I'm going to say I'm glad about that, actually, although of course what do I know? 

But I've wondered why he's tended to have such a good reputation in the media and message boards, as it's seemed to me. 

Yes, I know Tramon and Shields were UDFA that turned out fabulous under his authority, so I think they set his reputation. 

But in more recent years, it doesn't seem that many of the young guys have improved much. 

Second, it seems that our guys give such huge cushions to opposing receivers. 

Third, last year HaHa would play SO deep, he'd make the tackle but be so far back that catches could be made underneath and still get 1st downs. 

So I'm going to say I'm ready for a change, and maybe a more aggressive, less-cushion approach?

But yeah, what do I know, not much, I'm probably crazy.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: marklawrence on January 11, 2019, 05:18:56 PM
What I find interesting about this is petine said he wanted to hire his own guy, implying that mm saddled him with capers guys.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: mancl on January 11, 2019, 07:09:09 PM
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/01/11/packers-dismiss-defensive-pass-game-coordinator-joe-whitt-jr/2553966002/

What's intersting is that article seemed to think Whitt was let go by Gute, not Pettine.   Who knows but I think the coaches should hire their own staff and not the front office.

Campen is the only other guy with strong ties to MM- will be  interesting to see what happens to him
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 11, 2019, 07:21:20 PM
Interesting.  Fairly cryptic comment.  (For example, I can "work well" with pretty much everybody at my job, but I wouldn't necessarily think they all do the best work possible....?  So, maybe Pettine too thought they could do better? 

Murphy talked a lot about input from their Player Advisory Council.  I wonder if upper management got some input there that factored into this? 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: ricky on January 11, 2019, 07:30:38 PM
It seems the team is getting rid of any lingering MM partisans, so MLF can have a free hand on shaping the team to his image. The departure of Whitt was necessary, as the players could well have used him as someone to whine to when they didn't like the way things were going. There has to be one strong voice in the room, one final arbiter of how the team is going to be run. Yes, there can be input, and suggestions, and collaboration. But in the end, there has to be unity behind the leader. Though the MLF is sure going to be aware of the elephant in the room.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: phanatic1 on January 12, 2019, 07:22:46 AM
Talking with Monken is certainly interesting.  This is a guy that is a rising offensive mind and will probably be in the next batch of hirings next season.  My worry with him a little is just that he would probably be a short time solution because of his popularity.  His interest would seem like a step back because he would not have any play calling duties, but maybe he sees this as a chance to be part of a quick turnaround, work with a hall of fame QB, and then be able to have his choice of open jobs as the hot coordinator after next season.

I gotta a feeling Monken ends up in Detroit with full reign of the offense there.  La Fleur is probably more likely to hire Hackett or if Shanahan will allow him to, hire his brother Mike or TJ McCartney away from the 49ers.  Shanahan has not allowed them to interview in other places, so that is un-likely. 

Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: The GM on January 12, 2019, 08:10:42 AM
I'll take Monken for a year.  LaFleur can pick his brain, learn a few tricks, but the playcalling could be a make or break issue for him coming to Green Bay.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 12, 2019, 11:52:19 AM
Kind of interesting that Monken is only 2.5 years younger than McCarthy.  So while he's a "rising prospect" guy, age-wise he's at a very different place from MLF.  This is probably really a sweet-spot for him in his career.  If he doesn't get a head-coaching job pretty quick, not sure teams are going to be chasing hard for a first-time head coach if he goes another couple years and his mid- or late 50's in age. 

I'd have to figure that IF he gets a shot with Detroit and Matt Stafford with full play-calling, it would have to be a no-brainer to take that.  But I have no idea what kind of an interview or personality or leader Monken may be.  Maybe play-calling position with a high-level QB won't be available to him, and he'll need to settle for non-calling position? 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: phanatic1 on January 12, 2019, 01:22:05 PM
Did see the 49ers have blocked their coaches from going anywhere, so that rules out LaFleur's brother.  On a side note- kind of sucks you want to work for your brother and you can't. 

Anyway, Monken and Hackett appear to be the only ones I have heard on the list for OC.  I wonder about guys like DeFillipo or Bill Lazor - the old Bengals/Dolphins OC.  With no play calling duties, that would seem the importance is on install and teaching and I would think both of those guys should be good at that.  Maybe a combo with OC and QB coach.  DeFillipo has sure went from the hot coach to basically no mention for anything. 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 12, 2019, 01:57:24 PM
Kubiak is apparently available, too.  Read that he and Denver are on good terms, and they'd probably be generous enough to release him if he wanted to leave for an OC spot elsewhere. 

I live in Vikings country.  Not sure DeFillipo getting canned really means he isn't smart.  Zimmer is a pretty conservative guy.  And the Vikings had an awful, awful, awful offensive line; poor Cousins didn't have any time to see anything or for anybody to get open.  I'm not that expert, but I kinda feel like they had about 3 of their linemen who pass-blocked below the level of our right guard spot.  And maybe about three guys who run-blocked about that terribly, too.  So not sure how much to blame DeFillipo, and whether he might not look like a great prospect again if working on a team with a competent o-line. 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on January 12, 2019, 04:48:23 PM
Hackett or Monken will not take a position which they don't call the plays.

The leading candidate right now for the packers OC is Jets WR coach Karl Dorrell.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 12, 2019, 04:53:09 PM
Dorell is interviewing for Packers WR coach
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on January 12, 2019, 05:00:10 PM
I read that he was in for OC.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/12/report-packers-interviewing-karl-dorrell-for-coordinator-job/
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 12, 2019, 05:03:45 PM
Wait and see.

I’m hearing differently
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 12, 2019, 05:09:27 PM
http://nfltraderumors.co/packers-expected-to-interview-jets-wrs-coach-karl-dorrell-for-oc-job/

Link is misleading
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Fargofootball on January 12, 2019, 06:28:35 PM
Kubiak is apparently available, too.  Read that he and Denver are on good terms, and they'd probably be generous enough to release him if he wanted to leave for an OC spot elsewhere. 

I live in Vikings country.  Not sure DeFillipo getting canned really means he isn't smart.  Zimmer is a pretty conservative guy.  And the Vikings had an awful, awful, awful offensive line; poor Cousins didn't have any time to see anything or for anybody to get open.  I'm not that expert, but I kinda feel like they had about 3 of their linemen who pass-blocked below the level of our right guard spot.  And maybe about three guys who run-blocked about that terribly, too.  So not sure how much to blame DeFillipo, and whether he might not look like a great prospect again if working on a team with a competent o-line.

In what world is Cousins poor, lol
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on January 13, 2019, 06:01:04 AM
Cousins isn't great but not bad.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: phanatic1 on January 13, 2019, 07:49:52 AM
Dorrell will probably become the WR coach according to reports.  It is going to be interesting to see if Campen leaves.  It sounds like the front office is ok with letting all of MM's guys walk away.  I do see the idea behind that and wanting all remnants of the previous staff gone.  But, finding good OL coaches isn't all that easy and Campan has had some success and I would think is popular with the players. 

I go back to wondering about DeFillipo for the OC job.  As others have pointed out, he is still a pretty darn good coach and didn't all of a sudden become a bozo that doesn't know what he is doing.  He is not going to get another job calling plays soon, so coming into Green Bay and working with LaFleur and rebuilding his reputation seems like a logical thing to do.  Be the OC/QB coach and if the Packers turn it around and become a factor again on offense, he is back in the conversations for becoming a head coach. 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 13, 2019, 08:17:46 AM
It seems that between Hackett, Monken, and DeFillipo that ML should find himself an inventive mind to help built the game plans that he can execute as HC/play caller.

Things seem to be moving in positive directions.

No rush....................make good hiring choices.

My father always told me, "measure twice, cut once".
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 13, 2019, 04:13:44 PM
Campen leaving for Cleveland
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: SET4YRS on January 13, 2019, 05:35:12 PM
Campen leaving for Cleveland

 Not good.

Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: pilprin on January 13, 2019, 06:16:22 PM
Hopefully some key spots get set this week. Hackett, Dorrell, and.....I have no idea about OL coaches. I wonder if an Assistant OL coach at SF or the Rams will be targeted. Maybe even Jacksonville if Hackett is added.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on January 13, 2019, 07:20:25 PM
Hopefully some key spots get set this week. Hackett, Dorrell, and.....I have no idea about OL coaches. I wonder if an Assistant OL coach at SF or the Rams will be targeted. Maybe even Jacksonville if Hackett is added.

I think that they will try to block anyone that comes asking. Especially Matt Lafleur as his offense is basically compatible with the coaches from the 49ers and Rams.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: ricky on January 13, 2019, 10:30:06 PM
We all wanted a shakeup, a changing of the guard, an end to the "country club atmosphere", and have everyone fighting for their jobs. Well, we've gotten our wish. Is everyone happy now? Of course not. But unless you think the Packers OL has shown improvement and that the backups have shown steady improvement, you either look at the players or the coaching. Apparently the organization decided it was time for a fresh . And a complete break from the MM complacency era.

Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: MO.Pack on January 14, 2019, 01:53:31 AM
Monkin heading to Brown's to be O.C.  Wonder if ML will look at any of the teams assistant coaches that lost this weekend
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: MO.Pack on January 14, 2019, 04:49:28 AM
DiFillipo was a hot commodity just last year and with the packers having to face Minnesota twice a year might be advantageous for the hire.  Even though it sounds like he went  rogue against Zimmer his background is from the Ried and Peterson tree which ML could also use.  Like the post said above he would not have the playcalling.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: ricky on January 14, 2019, 11:35:17 AM
Hard to believe, but after reading this, I'm jealous of the Browns ability to create a coaching staff (other than HC):

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/01/14/browns-announce-nine-additions-to-freddie-kitchens-staff/
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: dannobanano on January 14, 2019, 03:22:29 PM
Hackett is New OC
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: te43 on January 14, 2019, 03:36:41 PM
Hopefully some key spots get set this week. Hackett, Dorrell, and.....I have no idea about OL coaches. I wonder if an Assistant OL coach at SF or the Rams will be targeted. Maybe even Jacksonville if Hackett is added.

Assistant OL coach for SF has ties to Wisconsin. 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: The GM on January 14, 2019, 03:48:39 PM
Pack hires Nate Hackett as OC.  Former Jags OC.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Shinesman on January 14, 2019, 03:57:34 PM
Pack hires Nate Hackett as OC.  Former Jags OC.

Saw that in the BR tean stream. Not sure how I feel about that. He did make things happen with Bortles for about a half of a season, but curious as to how innovative he is.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: phanatic1 on January 14, 2019, 04:22:16 PM
Looks like the Hackett hiring is official.  Sounds like ex-Miami Special Teams coach Darren Rizzi is going to be in for an interview.  And, ex-Miami Ass't Head Coach Shawn Jefferson is going to follow him in - probably for the WR coach spot. 

Hackett is pretty well versed in the style of offense LaFleur wants to employ and is thought of pretty well.  He didn't have much with Bortles in Jax, but brings a pretty long history with him.  Rizzi has had the Dolphins in the top 10 of special teams play several seasons, so he has had some success with those units.  Jefferson is an ex-player and has helped to develop some good WR's in Miami.  He is probably best known for his time as the Lions WR coach when Calvin Johnson rose up to be one of the top WR's in the league. 

Seems like all of these guys are all pretty well thought of around the league and would bring in some new ideas and have some results to show for their work. 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Shinesman on January 15, 2019, 06:28:22 AM
Vikes tagged Kubiak as an "offensive adviser." Competition is getting stiff in the NFC North.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: whiterook87 on January 15, 2019, 12:09:32 PM
Packers should get on the horn ASAP and get DeGugliemo in GB. He would be an excellent replacement for Campen. He will be highly sought after.

 
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Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: craig on January 15, 2019, 12:40:52 PM
Campen question:  I'm not an o-line expert, but I recall a couple years back some articles about how Campen taught an "outside", "wide" blocking technique.  Not necessarily instinctive or familiar to everybody, so not necessarily great for rookie success; and requiring a certain kind of strength, so maybe not suitable for everybody.  But I think the idea was that the outside blocking made it easier to hold guys and get away with it (the hand placement not being that different); and whereas where with inside blocking guys could use spin moves to get off the block and around the blocker, *if* you could lock an "outside block" on, it was very difficult for a defender to get free or to spin off the block.  One of our posters thought the Campen technique was one of the reasons Spriggs struggled to adapt and succeed. 

Any thoughts from you o-line experts about that?  I'm wondering whether transitioning to a different OL coach might lost some of the value of the Campen technique?  But might also be able to bring out some capacity from guys who weren't quite cut out for that approach?  And maybe better enable a rookie to step in faster?  Maybe have a little more move-the-line power with traditional inside blocking, even if you don't have quite as much lateral control over a defender's movements?  Or might transitioning to a different style really mess everybody up for a while and really hurt?  Or might really help, in that the veterans who know the Campen blocking will still use it when it helps them, and teach it to newer guys where it's well suited, and our guys will end up with optimal access to both approaches? 
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: bmaafi on January 15, 2019, 09:15:17 PM
Not a online expert, but I did stay at a holiday inn once. I remember the article you are referring to. He taught his guys to use either inside or outside whichever they preferred or were more comfortable with.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: marklawrence on January 15, 2019, 09:40:06 PM
Monkin heading to Brown's to be O.C.  Wonder if ML will look at any of the teams assistant coaches that lost this weekend

Could we all maybe agree our new coach is abbreviated MLF?

It took me a couple second to get past "who cares what assistant coaches I look at? "
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Bignutz on January 16, 2019, 07:42:18 AM
Monkin heading to Brown's to be O.C.  Wonder if ML will look at any of the teams assistant coaches that lost this weekend

Could we all maybe agree our new coach is abbreviated MLF?

It took me a couple second to get past "who cares what assistant coaches I look at? "

Better than MF! 🌝
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on January 17, 2019, 04:02:21 AM
Monkin heading to Brown's to be O.C.  Wonder if ML will look at any of the teams assistant coaches that lost this weekend

Could we all maybe agree our new coach is abbreviated MLF?

It took me a couple second to get past "who cares what assistant coaches I look at? "

Better than MF! 🌝

How about we call him MLF when we are happy with his production and MF when we are not.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: mancl on January 17, 2019, 09:02:05 AM
www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/01/17/packers-expected-interview-former-bengals-ol-coach-frank-pollack/2603034002/

I haven't see anything about filling out the D staff - has anyone else?

In case you missed it Joe Whitt is now on the staff of Green Bay East  aka the Browns.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: #66 on January 17, 2019, 10:02:38 AM
www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/01/17/packers-expected-interview-former-bengals-ol-coach-frank-pollack/2603034002/

I haven't see anything about filling out the D staff - has anyone else?

In case you missed it Joe Whitt is now on the staff of Green Bay East  aka the Browns.

I read somewhere that Chris Shula was a maybe for the defensive staff.  He is Rams Assistant LB coach.
Title: Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
Post by: Descartes on January 17, 2019, 02:18:21 PM
"The Packers will also interview Redskins linebackers coach Kirk Olivadotti for the same role, tweets Grant Paulsen of NBC Sports Washington. Olivadotti, 45, has essentially been a Redskins lifer: he joined the club in 2000 as a defensive quality control coach, and has worked for the team in various roles ever since, save for a 2011-13 stint at the University of Georgia. He’s familiar with LaFleur, as the two worked together in the nation’s capital in 2010 while LaFleur was Washington’s quarterbacks coach."

https://www.profootballrumors.com/green-bay-packers-news-rumors

From Wikipedia:

Maine Maritime Academy (1997)
Wide receivers coach

Indiana State (1998–1999)
Assistant coach

Washington Redskins (2000–2001)
Defensive quality control coach

Washington Redskins (2002–2003)
Defensive backs coach

Washington Redskins (2004)
Defensive quality control coach

Washington Redskins (2004–2006)
Special teams assistant

Washington Redskins (2007–2009)
Linebackers coach

Washington Redskins (2010)
Defensive assistant

Georgia (2011–2013)
Linebackers coach

Washington Redskins (2014–present)
Linebackers coach