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Title: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on February 06, 2019, 08:32:16 AM
This is the foundation for Gute to start building his 90 man roster for training camp.

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson, Lavon Coleman, Malcolm Johnson

FB - Danny Vitale

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Geronimo Allison (RFA), Jake Kumerow (ERFA), Allen Lazard, Teo Redding

TE - Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan (ERFA), Evan Baylis

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Alex Light, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Cole Madison, Justin McCray (ERFA), Lucas Patrick (ERFA), Adam Pankey (ERFA), Nico Siragusa, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL- Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Eric Cotton, Fadol Brown (ERFA)

EDGE - Nick Perry, Kyler Fackrell, Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert (ERFA), Brady Shelton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Antonio Morrison, James Crawford

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Tramon Williams, Natrell Jamerson

S - Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice (RFA), Raven Greene, Tray Matthews, Jason Thompson

K - Mason Crosby

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


The Packers at this moment have 59 players under contract and another 9 controled with RFA and ERFA rights. Making 68 with room for 22 to players to be added in free agency, draft and UDFA's without the release of current contracts.

I like to do this exercise because it highlights where we will see activity in player additions. The Packers will go to training camp with a set number of players at each position and by looking at the under contracts it exposes the holes to be filled.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on February 06, 2019, 11:54:46 AM
For a point of reference these are the totals by position of the 90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB/FB-7 , WR-11 , TE-6 , OL-16 , DL-9 , EDGE-8 , ILB-8 , DB-17 , ST-4
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: dannobanano on February 06, 2019, 03:23:30 PM
This is the foundation for Gute to start building his 90 man roster for training camp.

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, DeShone Kizer (add a draft pick?)

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson, Lavon Coleman, Malcolm Johnson (add a FA and a draft pick?)

FB - Danny Vitale (add a draft pick?)

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Geronimo Allison (RFA), Jake Kumerow (ERFA), Allen Lazard, Teo Redding (add anything?)

TE - Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan (ERFA), Evan Baylis (add a draft pick and FA?)

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Alex Light, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Cole Madison, Justin McCray (ERFA), Lucas Patrick (ERFA), Adam Pankey (ERFA), Nico Siragusa, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle (Add draft picks? FA?)

DL- Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Eric Cotton, Fadol Brown (ERFA) (add a draft pick)

EDGE - Nick Perry, Kyler Fackrell, Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert (ERFA), Brady Shelton (mulitple draft picks? FA?)

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Antonio Morrison, James Crawford (FA? Draft pick?)

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Tramon Williams, Natrell Jamerson (draft pick? FA?)

S - Josh Jones, Kentrell Brice (RFA), Raven Greene, Tray Matthews, Jason Thompson (FA? draft pick?)

K - Mason Crosby (any one?)

P - JK Scott (anyone?)

LS - Hunter Bradley (udfa?)


The Packers at this moment have 59 players under contract and another 9 controled with RFA and ERFA rights. Making 68 with room for 22 to players to be added in free agency, draft and UDFA's without the release of current contracts.

I like to do this exercise because it highlights where we will see activity in player additions. The Packers will go to training camp with a set number of players at each position and by looking at the under contracts it exposes the holes to be filled.

Appreciate the work RT.

I'll just add that holes exist almost everywhere on this team. Even at position groups that look to be well stocked with players.

Why do I say that?

If a player (especially in the draft) unexpectedly is still on the board that GB would think should have been drafted much earlier, you still take that player if, in Gute's mind, it is believed he is better than some of the other players you already have on the roster in that position group.

Taking inventory is a good thing, as long as it's kept in mind that all position groups can be improved through FA, the draft, and UDFA's.

Also, I was suprised to read today that 4 Packers players are going to get a substantial bump in salary this next year due to an escalator clause in the CBA.
Kyler Fackrell, Blake Martinez, Dean Lowry, and Antonio Morrison will all have to be paid >$2M this next season (provided they make the team). This represents substantial increase in pay for this group. How will that affect FA/draft strategy? Interesting that it's all defensive players too. If they all make the team, it will mean GB will take an additional ~$6M hit against the cap.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/four-packers-players-will-more-than-double-their-salaries-in-2019-301 (https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/four-packers-players-will-more-than-double-their-salaries-in-2019-301)

The reason I mention this is because, at least, Morrison may not make the team in 2019 if they add a FA and/or draft pick to the position group.

A new offensive system, tweeks to what MP wants to do on defense, Talent, and money will all factor into how all the position groups will look when the 2019 regular season starts. Just my  twocents), but I doubt we will see 7 WR's on the 53 man roster this year.

Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: packlaw on February 07, 2019, 05:44:11 AM
It is interesting to see the roster as composed and the need for additional players.  In reviewing the roster, one must look to quality and potential in addressing needs.  Ideally, the team needs players of above average ability to start.  A review of the roster under those guidelines is a must.
      Quarterback - above average... need experience backup
      Running Back/Fullback - above average backs (2)...need to draft one mid rounds
      Tight End - if lucky, Graham will be average...need high draft pick
      Wide Receiver - Adams above average, young receivers have potential...need slot, punt returner, later rounds
      Offensive Line - Above average, Bak and Lindsay...need FA for guard and draft high OT and C and G in later rounds
      Corner Backs - Above average...none; but Alexander, Jackson and King have huge potential, resign Brieland (sic)
      Inside Backer - Above average...Martinez, need cover linebacker...free agent or middle round draft
      Safety - none, Jones has potential...need top free agent and high draft...
In my humble opinion, the first four picks should be edge, safety, offensive tackle or guard and tight end...top priority in free agency an experienced safety, offensive guard and defensive lineman...


Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: Hands on February 07, 2019, 06:45:19 AM
I think the biggest needs for the Packers are in order:
Green Bay may have players that can solve some of those holes, (just haven't seen it this year) but the draft will have to be very productive this year to get back into the playoffs.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: Gregg on February 07, 2019, 09:30:09 AM
Good evaluation Hands.

IMO, its not a very impressive roster.  I would say, at face value its about average.

Which means we have to be aggressive in FA and have a good draft.  We have enough extra picks to realize a good draft.  Let us just hope we do it.

But if we do not do really well in either, then again, we have to rely on AR to work magic again. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: Hands on February 07, 2019, 10:28:38 AM
Gregg, if they don't do really well in acquiring talent.....Rodgers may be on IR by the third game.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: craig on February 08, 2019, 03:37:40 PM
....I like to do this exercise because it highlights where we will see activity in player additions. The Packers will go to training camp with a set number of players at each position and by looking at the under contracts it exposes the holes to be filled.

Thanks, RT.  Yes, very helpful and useful. 

This isn't about primary targets in rounds 1+2 of draft.  It's more about about late round and UDFA targets to fill the back of the roster. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: ricky on February 09, 2019, 03:35:41 PM
I think the biggest needs for the Packers are in order:
  • Safety (FS and SS)
    Edge/OLB (that can set the edge and rush the passer)
    TE (Pass catcher and blocker)
    Oline ( multiple needs)
    RB (that pounder that can catch passes)
    Slot Receiver (A young Cobb)
    ILB (run-stuffer that can cover)
    DE (pass rusher)
Green Bay may have players that can solve some of those holes, (just haven't seen it this year) but the draft will have to be very productive this year to get back into the playoffs.

Look at the Patriots roster and tell me they are outstanding at every position. Rather vague at some spots ("Oline ( multiple needs), and otherwise you seem to want a player who is outstanding at every position. Nice to dream, but realistically, finding role players who can fit into a successful system is the key to longevity. And as far as Rodgers ending up on IR by the third game, he won't if he learns to get rid of the ball more quickly. Take that short gain rather than constantly looking for that big chunk. This hand wringing is unseemly. Do the Packers need some upgrades? Yes. But I reject "the sky is falling" scenario you are spinning.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on February 27, 2019, 04:37:16 PM
After reading Gutes comments about Graham, I think he leaves zero doubt about his return. Now his comments about Perry were not as strong and make me wonder if they are going to decline paying his roster bonus in March, making him a FA.

“Nick's struggled through some injuries,” Gutekunst said. “It's been unfortunate. When he's been out there, he's been a good player for us. We'll make those decisions as they come.”
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 07, 2019, 06:55:50 AM
It has been reported that the Packers have re-signed Fadol Brown to a one year contract. He was an exclusive-rights FA, but the one year deal now probably shows that he will be given a real chance to make the roster. After he was claimed late in the season from the Raiders, he seemed to flash some plays each week. I liked what I saw from him, he looks like an ascending player. Building one brick at a time. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 07, 2019, 07:09:06 AM
And just like that we have another one re-sign that is in the mix.

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The Packers have tendered G Justin McCray, an exclusive rights free agent, a source said. It's a one-year, $645,000 deal that would get McCray to restricted free agency status next offseason.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 07, 2019, 07:15:39 AM
Well that is 3 of the 7 ERFA re-signed that I now know of.

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With new league year approaching, #Packers in midst of signing exclusive-rights FAs and restricted FAs. One who will not sign anything now: OL Adam Pankey. That’s because, source said, Pankey signed 2-year deal late last season, putting him under contract through 2019 season.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: dannobanano on March 07, 2019, 10:58:08 AM
The ERFA's players are no brainers. They take what you offer. They have no bargaining leverage.

RFA's can choose to sign/not sign their tender when/if they get one.

My guess as to who the Packers choose to not tender amongst the ERFA's and RFA's?

Kentrell Brice (only one)

Of the Packers UFA's it's also been rumored that House won't be brought back, and I get the feeling Jake Ryan, Eddie Pleasant, Byron Bell, Marcedes Lewis, and Lance Kendricks are in that same pool.

I'm fence sitting on Wilkerson, Matthews, and Cobb, but if I had my druthers, I'd just as soon move on from all three. Save the cap space for younger/better FA's.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 07, 2019, 07:42:55 PM
The ERFA's players are no brainers. They take what you offer. They have no bargaining leverage.

RFA's can choose to sign/not sign their tender when/if they get one.

My guess as to who the Packers choose to not tender amongst the ERFA's and RFA's?

Kentrell Brice (only one)

Of the Packers UFA's it's also been rumored that House won't be brought back, and I get the feeling Jake Ryan, Eddie Pleasant, Byron Bell, Marcedes Lewis, and Lance Kendricks are in that same pool.

I'm fence sitting on Wilkerson, Matthews, and Cobb, but if I had my druthers, I'd just as soon move on from all three. Save the cap space for younger/better FA's.

Interesting, I was thinking that there was a high probability of Brice being tendered.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: Hands on March 07, 2019, 08:09:08 PM
Question, how many Packer players are untouchable because of their play?
I have 10: Rodgers and Rodgers, Bak, and Bulaga, Adams, Linsley on offense (6)
                Clark, Martinez, Alexander, King (4)

If those are the untouchables.....Green Bay has a ton of holes to fill.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 08, 2019, 02:19:10 PM
Packers cut Antonio Morrison today. Had a feeling that might be coming after the NFL gave him the salary escalator to 2.02 million. No real lose here. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 14, 2019, 06:32:44 AM
Additions to this listing are Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos, Billy Turner and Marcedes Lewis.

Subtractions to this listing are Antonio Morrison, Nick Perry and Kentrell Brice.

Two player to watch for developments on are Cole Madison and Geronimo Allison. Tony Pauline reported at the combine to watch for Madison to be released by the start of FA, well FA officially started yesterday. Allison received the lowest tender from the Packers, which basically allows another team to sign him and the Packers the option to match the contract or let him walk. Will be interesting to watch playout.

90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB/FB-7 , WR-11 , TE-6 , OL-16 , DL-9 , EDGE-8 , ILB-8 , DB-17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-3 , RB/FB -7 , WR -9 , TE -4 , OL -14 , DL -9 , EDGE -6 , ILB -3 , DB -12 , ST -3
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 18, 2019, 05:52:09 PM
Packers and 49ers both have 70 players under contract, that is the currently the most of any of the teams. The Jaguars have the fewest at 52, followed by the Seahawks and Saints with 54 each. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on March 30, 2019, 08:16:42 AM
Updated 3-30-19

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson, Lavon Coleman, Malcolm Johnson

FB - Danny Vitale

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding

TE - Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Evan Baylis

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Alex Light, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Cole Madison, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Nico Siragusa, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL- Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Eric Cotton, Fadol Brown

EDGE - Kyler Fackrell, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert, Brady Shelton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, James Crawford

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Tramon Williams, Natrell Jamerson

S - Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Tray Matthews, Jason Thompson

K - Mason Crosby

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR-11 , TE/FB-8 , OL-16 , DL-9 , EDGE-8 , ILB-8 , DB-17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-3 , RB-6 , WR -9 , TE/FB -5 , OL -14 , DL -9 , EDGE -6 , ILB -3 , DB -12 , ST -3
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: The GM on April 03, 2019, 12:47:54 PM
Wilkerson out or just kicking the tires??

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Cardinals’ free-agent DT Rodney Gunter is visiting today with the Green Bay Packers, per source.

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Title: Re: Who's under contract
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Cardinals re-signed DT Rodney Gunter, who visited the Packers last week.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
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Cardinals re-signed DT Rodney Gunter, who visited the Packers last week.

DL is definitely on the draft order menu.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 08:36:13 AM
I know that the draft choices are not officially 'under contract' yet, but lets roll with it.

Updated 4-28-19

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, DeShone Kizer, Manny Wilkins

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson, Lavon Coleman, Malcolm Johnson

FB - Danny Vitale

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding, Matt Eaton

TE - Jace Sternberger, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Davis Koppenhaver,  Evan Baylis

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Cole Madison, Elgton Jenkins, Alex Light, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Yosh Nijman, Larry Williams, Adam Pankey, Nico Siragusa, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL- Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Eric Cotton, Fadol Brown

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert, Randy Ramsey, Greg Roberts, Brady Shelton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, James Crawford, Curtis Bolton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Tramon Williams, Natrell Jamerson, Nate Brooks, Kabion Ento

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Tray Matthews, Jason Thompson, Javien Hamilton

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -8 , DB -17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-4 , RB-7 , WR -10 , TE/FB -7 , OL -17 , DL -10 , EDGE -9 , ILB -5 , DB -17 , ST-4

As of this morning there is a slight difference in the roster makeup from last year and I'm not going to read too much into it, but being heavier at RB and OL and lighter at WR and TE may rep a little more attention to the run game it training camp. But it could be just getting the best 90 possible without being to ridged in their thinking.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on May 06, 2019, 08:32:23 AM
Post rookie mini camp update with some minor positional projecting on 5-6-2019.

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, Manny Wilkins, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson

FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Matt Eaton, Darius Shepherd, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding

TE - Jace Sternberger, Davis Koppenhaver, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Evan Baylis

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Cole Madison, Elgton Jenkins, Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, Larry Williams, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL- Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Fadol Brown

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Greg Roberts, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert, Eric Cotton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Natrell Jamerson, Tray Matthews

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -8 , DB -17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -7 , DB -17 , ST-4
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: craig on May 07, 2019, 01:15:50 PM
...RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson
FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

....TE - Jace Sternberger, Davis Koppenhaver, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Evan Baylis

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

Thanks for updating these.  I copied several position groups. 

RB group:  Think that is really shallow and unexpectedly short on PS potential.  Often they'd like to have three backs, two years ago they carried four.  Tra Carson will be a 27-year-old guy still trying to crack the league; probably not super exciting, or future-development prospect.  Bibs is 26 and has been around getting repeatedly released for five years. Surprised they didn't add any just-out-of-college prospects.  I wonder if Tra and Bibs aren't both too old to even park on the practice squad where they'd be ready for injury-necessitated callup? 

CB:  Tramon; the three high draft picks; after that it's Hollman, crazy Tony Brown, and five other UDFA.  That seems like a really wide-open battle for the back of that room.  Somebody undrafted beyond just Brown and Tramon is going to make the roster. 

ILB:  I wonder how many they'll carry?  And of those they do, who are actually scrimmage prospects, as opposed to ST-only guys?  (I know, I know, even a special-teams specialist guy will play snaps **if** all the scrimmage guys get hurt....)

TE:  Baylis, turns 26 and has been released repeatedly.  Probably not a developmental upside prospect. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on May 07, 2019, 02:54:38 PM
...RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson
FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

....TE - Jace Sternberger, Davis Koppenhaver, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Evan Baylis

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

Thanks for updating these.  I copied several position groups. 

RB group:  Think that is really shallow and unexpectedly short on PS potential.  Often they'd like to have three backs, two years ago they carried four.  Tra Carson will be a 27-year-old guy still trying to crack the league; probably not super exciting, or future-development prospect.  Bibs is 26 and has been around getting repeatedly released for five years. Surprised they didn't add any just-out-of-college prospects.  I wonder if Tra and Bibs aren't both too old to even park on the practice squad where they'd be ready for injury-necessitated callup? 

CB:  Tramon; the three high draft picks; after that it's Hollman, crazy Tony Brown, and five other UDFA.  That seems like a really wide-open battle for the back of that room.  Somebody undrafted beyond just Brown and Tramon is going to make the roster. 

ILB:  I wonder how many they'll carry?  And of those they do, who are actually scrimmage prospects, as opposed to ST-only guys?  (I know, I know, even a special-teams specialist guy will play snaps **if** all the scrimmage guys get hurt....)

TE:  Baylis, turns 26 and has been released repeatedly.  Probably not a developmental upside prospect.

I get Bibbs at RB, I would not have been surprised if the Packers had passed altogether in the draft on RB and rolled with Bibbs as their 3rd back. He has been a fringe NFL back for a few years now, but the positive is that he is well schooled in MLF system having played in Denver, SF and Washington where they all used the same scheme while he was there. If nothing else he is a very good insurance policy against training camp injuries. Agree on Carson, not sure the reasoning with him. As for PS material, one of those guys can be picked up after teams cut down to their 53's. Barring injuries or Dexter falling on his face, the 3-headed RB group should be the law firm of Jones, Williams & Williams.

With the CB's for now it would look like Tramon Williams, Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson and Tony Brown are fairly solid in their roster spots. That is 5 players, so now we are wondering about the last one or two CB's on the depth chart. Ka'Dar Hollman is probably going to win on all ties and will be given the first chance to win the sixth spot (or 7th if they keep that many). The good news is that if one of the UDFA's steps up and wins a job it means he is probably a real keeper. If no one does, nothing is lost. Would not be surprised if Redmond or Sullivan make some noise of their own for one of the final spots.

I think that 4 might be the number on ILB's. This is about the only position that I am a little surprised that Gute did not add a experienced back up to Martinez, if Martinez would go down with an injury I do not see an obvious player to step into his shoes. Am I missing it with Crawford? Do they believe that a rookie can step in and the defense not miss a beat? Curious to watch that one playout.

The TE/FB thing is probably a 4 also Graham and Sternberger are locks and with the signing bonus given Lewis, history tells us that he probably is too. That would mean that 5 players, FB's Vitale and Johnson and TE's Tonyan, Koppenhaver and Baylis are probably battling for one spot. Does Baylis belong? I don't know, but Gute seems to think he is a good camp body anyways. 

You touched on some of these players that have bounced around a bit and wondered aloud about their spots on the 90 man roster. I have wonder that myself for awhile now and think that it may well be by design. Having backend of the roster players that have been through a training camp or two helps things go a little smoother for a first year coach, rather than the normal 30-35 rookies who's heads are swimming and making a much higher number of mental errors. Gute may be passing on a few extra chances to find a diamond in the rough, instead giving MLF a better chance to get his feet firmly planted.       
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: craig on May 07, 2019, 09:37:48 PM
I like your point, RT, and hadn't considered it before, that having a lot of experienced veteran practice-squad bodies might be helpful for practice.  Kind of brings to mind Kumerow last camp, compared to the rookies.

 I guess a guy who's been cut 3-5 times by other teams might be fringy enough and not that far short of NFL-quality or else he wouldn't have had opportunities to get cut lots of times. 

Kind of like an AAAA guy in baseball. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on May 13, 2019, 02:57:16 PM
Just keeping this current for those who may be interested, as of 5-13-2019.


QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, Manny Wilkins, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson

FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Darius Shepherd, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding, Jawill Davis

TE - Jace Sternberger, Davis Koppenhaver, Jimmy Graham, Marcedes Lewis, Robert Tonyan, Evan Baylis

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Corey Linsley, Lane Taylor, Cole Madison, Elgton Jenkins, Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, Larry Williams, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL- Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Fadol Brown

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Greg Roberts, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert, Eric Cotton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Mike Tyson, Natrell Jamerson, Tray Matthews

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -8 , DB -17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -7 , DB -18 , ST-4
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on May 15, 2019, 08:26:39 AM
I like your point, RT, and hadn't considered it before, that having a lot of experienced veteran practice-squad bodies might be helpful for practice.  Kind of brings to mind Kumerow last camp, compared to the rookies.

 I guess a guy who's been cut 3-5 times by other teams might be fringy enough and not that far short of NFL-quality or else he wouldn't have had opportunities to get cut lots of times. 

Kind of like an AAAA guy in baseball.

Too the point of having players that have been there and done that and how it could help the coaching staff, this is a good article highlighting just how inexperienced the coaching staff is. It makes me wonder how quick the players may lose faith in the coaches if things go bad early, do the players begin to wonder if the new coaching staff knows what they are doing?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/05/15/packers-young-coaching-staff-clicking-veteran-players/3667317002/ 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: dannobanano on May 21, 2019, 05:56:05 AM
Here's an interesting twist!

Josh Jones wants to be traded.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/26793007/packers-safety-jones-wants-traded

[Josh Jones, a second-round pick just two years ago, is skipping the Packers' OTAs because he's hoping to force a trade, a source told ESPN.
Jones has been working out in Florida with a trainer after he left the Packers' offseason program about a month ago.
The source said Jones, who was the 61st overall pick in the 2017 draft, believes it would be best for both him and the Packers if they parted ways.]

Is Jones just unhappy because Gute drafted Savage, and Jones thought he would be the annointed starting Safety to be paired with Amos?
Or, has he read the tea leaves and suspects he could be a CCC (Camp Cut Casualty)?

Anyway, it's a curious turn IMO.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: B on May 21, 2019, 06:48:47 AM
As a player in his first contract this is the closest thing to power. It is important to note that he is skipping voluntary OTA's - not holding out or missing mandatory mini-camp or practices.

I hope the Packers do not blink. Once management cracks open the door, other players under contract will see this as an effective way to force trades or releases. At worst Josh Jones is a valuable special teams player and depth at safety and nickel and dime MLB.

An unfortunate development early in a new coaching staffs reign.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: Hands on May 21, 2019, 07:13:22 AM
Doubt you see any comments from the GM office. JJ has to learn how to play in the pros.
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on May 21, 2019, 07:48:21 AM
It has been well documented since draft day that Josh Jones was a player that Gutey pounded the table for hard, but this guy seems to have the 10 cent head on him. The Packers played a ton of 3 safety defense last year and I believe that was the plan this year. Some people will want to claim Jones is playing LB, I don't care what people call him, but Pettine would be playing him and playing him in a spot to best use his talents. He could be a valuable player for the Packers defense, just not sure he is smart enough to figure that out. 
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on June 12, 2019, 07:39:33 AM
Just keeping this current for those who might be interested, as of 6-12-2019.


QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, Manny Wilkins, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Kapri Bibbs, Tra Carson

FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Darius Shepherd, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding, Jawill Davis

TE - Jace Sternberger, Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Evan Baylis, Pharoah McKever

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Corey Linsley, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Lane Taylor, Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, Larry Williams, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL - Kenny Clark, Mike Daniels, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Fadol Brown

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Greg Roberts, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert, Eric Cotton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Natrell Jamerson, Mike Tyson, Tray Matthews

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -8 , DB -17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -7 , DB -18 , ST-4
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on July 26, 2019, 07:51:34 AM
I will update this one last time for those who might be interested, as of 7-26-2019.


QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, Manny Wilkins, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Tra Carson, Corey Grant

FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Darius Shepherd, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding, Jawill Davis, Malik Taylor

TE - Jace Sternberger, Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Evan Baylis, Pharoah McKever

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Corey Linsley, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Lane Taylor, Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, Larry Williams, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL - Kenny Clark, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Fadol Brown

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Greg Roberts, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert, Eric Cotton

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Natrell Jamerson, Mike Tyson, Tray Matthews

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -8 , DB -17 , ST-4

Current under contracts.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -12 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -8 , EDGE -8 , ILB -7 , DB -18 , ST-4
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on July 29, 2019, 06:19:24 PM
My OCD is making me update this again. 7/29.

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, Manny Wilkins, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Tra Carson, Corey Grant, Darrin Hall

FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Darius Shepherd, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding, Jawill Davis, Malik Taylor

TE - Jace Sternberger, Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Evan Baylis, Pharoah McKever

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Jason Spriggs, Corey Linsley, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Lane Taylor, Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL - Kenny Clark, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Fadol Brown, Olive Sagapolu

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Greg Roberts, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith,  Kendall Donnerson, Reggie Gilbert

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Javien Hamilton, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Natrell Jamerson, Mike Tyson, Tray Matthews

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


90 man roster at the start of training camp in 2018.

QB-4 , RB-5 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -16 , DL -9 , EDGE -8 , ILB -8 , DB -17 , ST-4

Current under contracts for 2019.

QB-4 , RB-6 , WR -12 , TE/FB -8 , OL -15 , DL -9 , EDGE -7 , ILB -7 , DB -18 , ST-4
Title: Re: Who's under contract
Post by: RT on August 10, 2019, 09:07:08 PM
The Packers are only at 88 players on the roster as of 8/11, I would expect to see a claim or two in the next 48 hours. Both FB's are down and one may be added just for practice purposes. Expect more transactions soon.

QB - Aaron Rodgers, Tim Boyle, Manny Wilkins, DeShone Kizer

RB - Aaron Jones, Jamaal Williams, Dexter Williams, Tra Carson, Darrin Hall, Keith Ford

FB - Danny Vitale, Malcolm Johnson

WR - Davante Adams, Marquez Valdes-Scantling, Equanimeous St. Brown, J'Mon Moore, Trevor Davis, Darius Shepherd, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow, Allen Lazard, Teo Redding, Malik Taylor

TE - Jace Sternberger, Jimmy Graham, Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Evan Baylis, Pharoah McKever

OL - David Bakhtiari, Bryan Bulaga, Corey Linsley, Elgton Jenkins, Cole Madison, Lane Taylor, Alex Light, Yosh Nijman, Billy Turner, Justin McCray, Lucas Patrick, Adam Pankey, Gerhard de Beer, Anthony Coyle

DL - Kenny Clark, Montravius Adams, Dean Lowry, Kingley Keke, Tyler Lancaster, James Looney, Deon Simon, Fadol Brown, Olive Sagapolu

EDGE - Rashan Gary, Kyler Fackrell, Greg Roberts, Za’Darius Smith, Preston Smith, Reggie Gilbert, Markus Jones

ILB - Blake Martinez, Oren Burks, Ty Summers, Curtis Bolton, Randy Ramsey, James Crawford, Brady Shelton

CB - Jaire Alexander, Kevin King, Josh Jackson, Ka'Dar Hollman, Nydair Rouse, Kabion Ento, Tramon Williams, Tony Brown, Will Redmond, Chandon Sullivan

S - Darnell Savage, Josh Jones, Raven Greene, Adrian Amos, Natrell Jamerson, Mike Tyson, Tray Matthews, Ibraheim Campbell

K - Mason Crosby, Sam Ficken

P - JK Scott

LS - Hunter Bradley


Current under contracts for 2019.

QB-4 , RB-6 , WR -11 , TE/FB -8 , OL -14 , DL -9 , EDGE -7 , ILB -7 , DB -18 , ST-4