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Title: Top 40 free agents
Post by: packlaw on February 11, 2019, 04:17:11 AM
By now there are a number opinions as to who are the top free agents.  I reviewed one and lo and behold, Mathews and Cobb didn't make it.  The top 18 had 4 safeties, 4 defensive ends and 3 edge or outside linebackers.  In the ones not going to be franchised, Preston Smith and Zadarius Smith were ranked 16 and 18.  Landon Collins was the top safety at 7 overall, Thomas was 10, Joyner 12 and Mathieu 14.  The critical free agent need is a safety and of the four it appears Joyner and Mathieu are the most possible to obtain.  As to Mathews and Cobb, given they are not in the top 40, either could be signed to a team friendly contract.  Given Cobb's performance and injury history, I say pass on him.  Mathews I would sign only if he agrees to play inside. 
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: Hands on February 11, 2019, 05:25:17 AM
Hasn't that been the case over the years...fans think the teams players are better then what they are? Personally, I would make a run at Smith and Joyner. Green Bay isn't going to sign any 1st tier guys and getting those two players will plug some major holes.
I keep reading that the Packers will be signing Bell....he has the talent, but not sure about his heart.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on February 11, 2019, 05:59:45 AM
Hasn't that been the case over the years...fans think the teams players are better then what they are? Personally, I would make a run at Smith and Joyner. Green Bay isn't going to sign any 1st tier guys and getting those two players will plug some major holes.
I keep reading that the Packers will be signing Bell....he has the talent, but not sure about his heart.

The signing of Bell would be a total Murphy business decision signing like the Graham signing a year ago. They had a nice healthy spike in off season Packers apparel last year and Bell would be the player to give them that spike this year. If they time up the signing with good weather on a weekend they may even get an extra spike in innertube ride ticket sales. It's all about turning a good profit, good football decisions not so much anymore.

If it is about making sound football decisions, Thomas and Zadarious Smith are probably the best fits for the current Packers team. If Thomas has his head straight, he would be perfect to be that safety to QB Pettine's defense. With age and injuries I doubt he is going to get the large contract that he covets, the unknown question is if he signs a lesser deal will he be a locker room problem like he was in Seattle.     
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: Hands on February 11, 2019, 06:10:25 AM
I mentioned Joyner over Thomas because of his Texas roots and no state taxes.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on February 11, 2019, 06:35:31 AM
I mentioned Joyner over Thomas because of his Texas roots and no state taxes.

You may well be correct, but I'm just not a fan of 5'8" former slot corners turned safeties. He should excel in coverage, but he does not. When targeted last season he gave up a completion on 69.6% of those plays, 25th among all safeties. Just me, but I'm not interested in overpaying for average players.   
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: Gregg on February 16, 2019, 09:28:01 PM
I looked over a list of FA's.  These are the ones I liked:

OL
Rodger Saffold G Rams--good against the run, good enough against the pass, 31 but played well last year. Can also play tackle.
Ju"Juan Jones, T Miami--25 years old, RT, prototypical height and weight

LB
Anthony Barr OLB Vikes--one of the most purely talented, prototypical size and speed OLB in the NFL.  If he ever puts it all together he will be great.
Za'Darius Smith-OLB Ravens--had his best year last year and is a good all around player who can get to the QB

Safety
Tyrann Matheiu--excellent range and speed, and can play the slot if need be.  Still young.

The way I look at FA, it supplements the draft.  If you take a good guy here you don't need to use that pick on that position in April.  I would be fine with us taking any one of these guys. I would really like to get an OLB so we can shift CM 3 inside.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: ThatGuy284 on February 18, 2019, 08:54:51 AM
I mentioned Joyner over Thomas because of his Texas roots and no state taxes.

You may well be correct, but I'm just not a fan of 5'8" former slot corners turned safeties. He should excel in coverage, but he does not. When targeted last season he gave up a completion on 69.6% of those plays, 25th among all safeties. Just me, but I'm not interested in overpaying for average players.

I'm also skeptical of players as small as Joyner but while he may have had a worse year in 2018 than in the past - in prior seasons he was well above average and deemed important, skilled enough to play under the franchise tag  (the counter argument being Nick Perry deemed skilled, talented enough to warrant a big contract)

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2018/07/26/nfl-rams-lamarcus-joyner-safety-rankings-2018/

"Were this purely based on 2017 play, Joyner would be higher on the list, but factoring in sample size suggests that we should be cautious on what to expect from Joyner. That being said, the level of play we saw from him for most of the 2017 season was fantastic, and through four seasons with time spent at both safety and in the slot, Joyner has allowed just three touchdowns from 206 passes thrown into his coverage."
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: GBRoCk2 on February 25, 2019, 08:22:19 AM
We supposedly attempted to acquire Dante Fowler Jr. to help with the pass rush, I could see us looking into adding him as one option out of free agency, shouldn't come with a premium price tag.

Another name I like is Shaquil Barrett, stuck behind Miller & Chubb in Denver, he has been productive in his limited opportunities.

Not sure I see us spending a premium on a pass rusher with the option to likely take one with one of our two firsts, I'd prefer to spend the coin at safety on a guy like Mathieu or Thomas like others have mentioned, or even go after a RT/RG.

I'm again seeing articles that the Packers are going to spend this offseason, will believe it when I see it.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: mancl on February 25, 2019, 12:52:37 PM
It is fun to fantasize about the elite players coming to Green Bay I wouldn't get my hopes up.  In addition to the usual impediments, weather, small town, the Packers haven't had a winning season the last 2 years.   Why would an elite player choose Green Bay?

Also they have multiple needs to it is not as if they only need one player or two to put them over the top.

I see them spending on multiple 2nd tier players, Boston from Arizona for example, not Collins, at a couple of positions.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: footballdad on February 25, 2019, 03:22:20 PM
I would be absolutely fine with a free agent class of Breeland, Barrett, and Boston. Preston Smith or Adrian Amos would be great as well.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on March 01, 2019, 08:16:20 AM
Just a little something for those who think the Packers should be chasing Barr.

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Anthony Barr:

Career 13.5 sacks (14 plays)

10/14 were unblocked

2/14 he beats a RB 1x1

1/14 he splits the guard/center (this was more bad blocking than good defense)

1/14 he was blocked inside & the QB held the ball way too long

He never truly beat a lineman for a sack.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: PackerJoe on March 08, 2019, 07:11:12 AM
I like Zeittel from Cleveland and would trade for him.  As for other FA's, would go after Saffold and solidify our OL.  Safety is an option, not at 13 mil/year.  Collins at 7-9 mil/yr will work.  Need some LB help desperately, Collins is a potential, Mosely would be a tremendous pickup on a feeble defense we have now!
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on March 08, 2019, 09:17:51 AM
I would be absolutely fine with a free agent class of Breeland, Barrett, and Tre Boston. Preston Smith or Adrian Amos would be great as well.

Kudos to you, footballdad,  for not being stuck on the Safety train-rails that are Earl Thomas, Landon Collins and Tyrann Mathieu. On some sites you'd think that Collins was the only safety available (and he WILL cost you). You can add ex-Patriot Weddle to that list, as well, and Kareem Jackson, who can play CB or Safety.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on March 08, 2019, 09:36:39 AM
This might be the most logical Safety addition available for the Packers. I believe he played for Pettine in Cleveland.

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Source says the Jaguars are releasing safety Tashaun Gipson.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 08, 2019, 10:21:40 AM
My preference would be:

Breeland
Saffold
Boston
Barrett and/or Z'Darius

I'm not particularly interested in signing Collins or Thomas.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: dannobanano on March 08, 2019, 11:39:24 AM
This might be the most logical Safety addition available for the Packers. I believe he played for Pettine in Cleveland.

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Source says the Jaguars are releasing safety Tashaun Gipson.

This just keeps pushing the market value of guys like Tre Boston, Weddle, and Arian Amos lower and lower.

Packers may be able to pick up a good FS relatively cheap.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on March 08, 2019, 11:51:55 AM
The number of FA safeties available makes me wonder if it is just possible the Packers get TWO vets there. It would be a rather surprising move, as you want some youth coming through at as many positions as possible. However, two vet safeties would complement an inexperienced CB group rather nicely, and give the Packers more flexibility in the draft. Also the more veteran safeties that are out there, the better the price could be, for the Packers.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: dannobanano on March 08, 2019, 12:50:47 PM
I think they will resign Ibraheim Capmbell (Pettine drafted him in Cleveland) if his medicals check out following his acl surgery, as he's an in-the-box SS and knows Pettine's defense, and then sign a FS field general like Weddle or Boston?

Draft a solid FS in this draft for the future and they are sitting much better.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on March 08, 2019, 04:40:55 PM
Almost as soon as Weddle is available, he is gone again.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: Donzo on March 09, 2019, 07:37:13 AM
Top 101

 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018706/article/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2019-leveon-bell-new-no-1  (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001018706/article/top-101-nfl-free-agents-of-2019-leveon-bell-new-no-1)
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: dannobanano on March 10, 2019, 01:12:13 PM
Not sure what to make of this?

I was hoping for Gute to consider a RB in FA. Just not this direction.
Per Ian Rapoport

(https://i.redd.it/8ohxgudlhcl21.jpg)
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on March 10, 2019, 01:53:57 PM
Not sure what to make of this?

I was hoping for Gute to consider a RB in FA. Just not this direction.
Per Ian Rapoport

(https://i.redd.it/8ohxgudlhcl21.jpg)

You never know I guess, but that is another rumor that makes no sense. It very well could be click baiting. Social media uses the Packers, Patriots and Cowboys as bait and it greatly spikes their click volume.   
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: The GM on March 10, 2019, 08:39:32 PM
Could be Gute getting some Packer PR.  He said he wants to be in every conversation.  Maybe he's trying to get away from the Packers closed for FA business approach by TT.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on March 11, 2019, 02:54:21 AM
Could be Gute getting some Packer PR.  He said he wants to be in every conversation.  Maybe he's trying to get away from the Packers closed for FA business approach by TT.

Or,


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Aaron Nagler Retweeted Rikki-Tikki-Tavi

No idea, but that feels like an agent trying to create a market. Happens a lot with the Packers when all they’re doing is due diligence. But, now they’ve called, so the agent uses it.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: dannobanano on March 11, 2019, 04:15:47 AM
Could be Gute getting some Packer PR.  He said he wants to be in every conversation.  Maybe he's trying to get away from the Packers closed for FA business approach by TT.

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Aaron Nagler Retweeted Rikki-Tikki-Tavi

No idea, but that feels like an agent trying to create a market. Happens a lot with the Packers when all they’re doing is due diligence. But, now they’ve called, so the agent uses it.

Which confirms my skepticism.

Good get, RT.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: TAYLORBOY on March 11, 2019, 06:42:31 AM
Didn't the Chiefs sign Ingram Sat...1 yr $2.8
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: RT on March 11, 2019, 06:58:09 AM
Didn't the Chiefs sign Ingram Sat...1 yr $2.8

Chiefs signed Carlos Hyde to a 1 year deal, not Ingram.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: GBRoCk2 on March 11, 2019, 07:00:24 AM
Chiefs signed Carlos Hyde.

Bears as a mention doesn't make much sense unless they can move Howard, I feel like they may have a hard time finding a suitor for a back who struggled this past year and doesn't contribute much in the passing game.

Personally, I'd like to see how LaFleur utilizes Jones & Williams, and I think teams are coming by RBs in the draft easier than in the past, I'd pass on Ingram.
Title: Re: Top 40 free agents
Post by: Hands on March 11, 2019, 07:19:16 PM
The Smith brothers are left....Tre Boston but a ton of money ha already been spent on some marginal players.