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Title: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 13, 2019, 10:15:24 AM
Starting this thread for odds and ends. Last year we had a couple of pages of postings of things of interest. Just a spot for people to drop information.

First tidbit, The Packers were on hand at the Arkansas pro day to watch offensive tackle Brian Wallace, who was not invited to the combine despite an impressive showing at Shrine Game practices.

He measured in at 6052/320lbs, timed in the high 5.1’s to low 5.2’s in the forty as well as 4.65s in the short shuttle.  He completed 22 reps on the bench press and touched 24.5 inches in the vertical jump.

He does fit in as a historical fit of a Packers type OL.

Most people project him as a 6th-7th round type player.
 

Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: Hands on March 13, 2019, 05:01:04 PM
That's OK...Green Bay has 2-6 round picks.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 14, 2019, 06:01:11 PM
Wisconsin-Whitewater's Nate Trewyn worked out at the Wisconsin pro day.

Measured in at 603.5 and 313 pounds, Trewyn did 26 reps on the bench press and timed 4.5 in the short shuttle and 7.55 in the three-cone. He is a historical fit for a Packers type of OL.

It is doubtful that he is drafted, but has a strong chance to be signed as a UDFA and get a chance in somebody's training camp. Could the Packers have 2 Whitewater players on the roster at one time?
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 15, 2019, 07:34:04 AM

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#Steelers GM Kevin Colbert and #Packers GM Brian Gutekunst hand-timing 40s here at Michigan pro day. #Lions GM Bob Quinn here as well. Pittsburgh has a big contingent here that includes Mike Tomlin and Teryl Austin.

Their are a number of Michigan players that are Packer types. Now who could be the apple of Gutes eye? 
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: JQ on March 15, 2019, 10:52:18 AM
Gute is still a scout at heart, like his predecessor:

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/15/packers-gm-in-attendance-at-michigan-pro-day/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/03/15/packers-gm-in-attendance-at-michigan-pro-day/)

Honestly, I don’t see anybody who Pelissero cites that really excites me for a premium draft pick. Perhaps I'm partially be blinded by my general dislike for both the Big 10 Michigan schools.

My bias aside, the Packer players that have been drafted out of those two programs never really seem to develop into anything.

RT, who do you see as “Packer types?”
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: dannobanano on March 15, 2019, 01:38:45 PM

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#Steelers GM Kevin Colbert and #Packers GM Brian Gutekunst hand-timing 40s here at Michigan pro day. #Lions GM Bob Quinn here as well. Pittsburgh has a big contingent here that includes Mike Tomlin and Teryl Austin.

Their are a number of Michigan players that are Packer types. Now who could be the apple of Gutes eye?

If Gary falls to #12.........boom!

If Bush is there at #30............boom

If Winovich is there at #75...........boom
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: ThatGuy284 on March 19, 2019, 08:56:09 PM
Not really sure where to post these questions but it's my understanding that a consideration for comp picks are net free agents signed vs net free agents lost.  At this point we've signed our 4 FA's but we've lost 5 -- Brice, Breeland, Matthews, Cobb, Ryan.   

1st - do each of these 5 FA's lost count in the equation - specifically Brice since he wasn't tendered? 
2nd - am i correct that the actual contract values of signed/lost contract values don't matter from the standpoint that if you sign 2 really high priced free agents but lose 8 you are still in line for comp pick(s)?  I know contract values of free agents lost is a big determinant for the round of comp pick
2nd - who else could we lose that could be net losses?  Wilkerson, Kendricks, Bell, Pankey?
3rd - not dreaming big here - just wondering if theoretically the Pack could actually be in line for a late round comp in 2020 if lose some of the above and don't sign anyone else despite 4 high priced free agent signings?
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 19, 2019, 09:35:59 PM
Not really sure where to post these questions but it's my understanding that a consideration for comp picks are net free agents signed vs net free agents lost.  At this point we've signed our 4 FA's but we've lost 5 -- Brice, Breeland, Matthews, Cobb, Ryan.   

1st - do each of these 5 FA's lost count in the equation - specifically Brice since he wasn't tendered? 
2nd - am i correct that the actual contract values of signed/lost contract values don't matter from the standpoint that if you sign 2 really high priced free agents but lose 8 you are still in line for comp pick(s)?  I know contract values of free agents lost is a big determinant for the round of comp pick
2nd - who else could we lose that could be net losses?  Wilkerson, Kendricks, Bell, Pankey?
3rd - not dreaming big here - just wondering if theoretically the Pack could actually be in line for a late round comp in 2020 if lose some of the above and don't sign anyone else despite 4 high priced free agent signings?

1.) The number of comp picks is limited to 32 each year. The cut off deal to receiving a comp was at 2M per year for 2019, all lesser deals would not qualify to receive a pick. Brice and Ryan minimum deals will not factor into helping the Packers in the end formula. 2016 the last qualifying deal was 3M per year.
2.) Highest contract cancels highest contract, etc., etc.
3.) Wilkerson is the only longshot at best that could possibly garner a qualifying contract and that is a reach in itself, but that would only make 4 to match the 4 they signed. Pankey is not a FA. Bell, Campbell, Kendricks, House, Pleasant will be lucky if anybody would offer a veteran minimum deal. Guessing that all but Campbell will be doing something other than playing football next fall. Those ships have sailed.
4.) The chances are not at zero, but...no wait, the chances are zero. Their will be no comp pick for GB in 2020. 
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: PackerJoe on March 21, 2019, 08:06:31 AM
I don't want to see anyone from the Michigan team on this roster.  The Ryan selection has left a bitter taste in my mouth!!!!!
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: pasmith13 on March 22, 2019, 06:28:50 AM
I would struggle with Bush at 12,  and he will never make it to 30.  That's one of the reasons I would strongly consider trading back.  Green Bay hasn't had a sideline to sideline LB like him for years.

I am not sure why a 4th round pick like Ryan would leave a bad taste in your mouth.  His limitations were well known when he was drafted.

Oliver at 12 would be like a Christmas present. 
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 22, 2019, 07:08:09 AM
I would struggle with Bush at 12,  and he will never make it to 30.  That's one of the reasons I would strongly consider trading back.  Green Bay hasn't had a sideline to sideline LB like him for years.

I am not sure why a 4th round pick like Ryan would leave a bad taste in your mouth.  His limitations were well known when he was drafted.

Oliver at 12 would be like a Christmas present.

I think it is very doubtful that Bush would be the Packers selection at 12. White and Bush are very good football players, but neither are a match with what the Packers have done in their history since Ron Wolf took over. In reviewing all the ILB/MLB the Packers have drafted since 1992 and the only one that was as small as Bush was DJ Smith who was drafted in the 6th round in 2011. When Pettine arrived he said he likes to try and build a bully on defense, that is with big and physical front 7 players. Bush at 5'11"/ 234 really doesn't fit the mold. Could the Packers draft Bush or another an ILB in the first couple of rounds? Possible, but very doubtful.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: footballdad on March 22, 2019, 02:56:59 PM
RT - White is a bully. Understand where you are coming from though. It would seem to me that an ideal fit for Pettine's defense would be Tre Lamar from Clemson. Really hope he ends up a Packer.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: ricky on March 22, 2019, 03:28:37 PM
Several posters have Nasir Adderly as a possible addition to the Packers secondary at safety. The following article though seems to toss up some red flags- ankle injury and a pulled hamstring at his Pro Day. Is this something to worry about, keep tabs on, or put down as "one of those things"? I'm neutral on him, but thought this might be something to consider seriously.

From PFT: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/22/pulled-hamstring-ends-nasir-adderleys-pro-day-early/
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 22, 2019, 04:15:33 PM
Several posters have Nasir Adderly as a possible addition to the Packers secondary at safety. The following article though seems to toss up some red flags- ankle injury and a pulled hamstring at his Pro Day. Is this something to worry about, keep tabs on, or put down as "one of those things"? I'm neutral on him, but thought this might be something to consider seriously.

From PFT: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/22/pulled-hamstring-ends-nasir-adderleys-pro-day-early/

If his name was Smith or Jones Packers fans probably would not even think of him as a 3rd round pick. Because of his name the hype is way overboard. My guess is that the Packers will not even consider drafting him because of added pressure of his family name.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 22, 2019, 04:40:19 PM
RT - White is a bully. Understand where you are coming from though. It would seem to me that an ideal fit for Pettine's defense would be Tre Lamar from Clemson. Really hope he ends up a Packer.

White is a fine player.

The obsession is strong with some on this board to draft a ILB high in the draft. (Not pointing at you, footballdad) If they do I will pull for them to be a big part in the success of the team, but the history of the Wolf/Thompson front office tree and Pettine's time as a DC and HC suggest that the Packers are not going to invest a high pick in that position. Pettine's defense is all about DLineman and cover corners and that is where the high draft capital has always went in support of him.

I guess with many fan(atic)s being rational in thought when it comes to their teams decisions is not in their DNA. If team history and behavioral patterns are studied, we as fans can get a good idea on the moves that may well be made. A clear and open mind is a good starting point in achieving that understanding.   
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: dannobanano on March 22, 2019, 04:48:42 PM
RT - White is a bully. Understand where you are coming from though. It would seem to me that an ideal fit for Pettine's defense would be Tre Lamar from Clemson. Really hope he ends up a Packer.

White is a fine player.

The obsession is strong with some on this board to draft a ILB high in the draft. (Not pointing at you, footballdad) If they do I will pull for them to be a big part in the success of the team, but the history of the Wolf/Thompson front office tree and Pettine's time as a DC and HC suggest that the Packers are not going to invest a high pick in that position. Pettine's defense is all about DLineman and cover corners and that is where the high draft capital has always went in support of him.

I guess with many fan(atic)s being rational in thought when it comes to their teams decisions is not in their DNA. If team history and behavioral patterns are studied, we as fans can get a good idea on the moves that may well be made. A clear and open mind is a good starting point in achieving that understanding.   

Germaine Pratt/NC St. - 4th round?
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 22, 2019, 06:02:37 PM
Interesting guy danno. Former safety who grew into a LB. Has good speed and some cover skills, but only started one game in his college career and is still a bit raw to the position. Their pro day is the 29th and I hope he does the short area drills there, he did not do them at the combine. One to keep an eye on.

Here are 4 that seem to be matches,

Ty Summers - TCU   
Bobby Okereke - Stanford
Blake Cashman - Minnesota
Drue Tranquill - Notre Dame

And 4 that are off by a fraction somewhere and worth double checking their Pro days,

Ben Burr-Kirven - Washington
Jahlani Tavai - Hawaii
Cody Barton - Utah
Ryan Connelly - Wisconsin

I should add Cameron Smith from USC to this list of players to check their pro days.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: dannobanano on March 22, 2019, 07:35:35 PM
 thumbsup) on Burr-Kirven. I’ve been keeping an eye on him as well.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 23, 2019, 09:57:19 AM
thumbsup) on Burr-Kirven. I’ve been keeping an eye on him as well.

The only disqualifier for him danno in that he weighed in at 230 at the combine. Now that alone very well may be a complete deal breaker in the Packers eyes and put him off their board, but he is still only 21 years old and the Packers may view him as a player with some growth yet to come. The Packers do have a history of drafting some very young guys. His physical testing at the combine was top shelf stuff. His 3-cone was 6.85 which was 1st among all LB's, his short shuttle was 4.09 which was 3rd. 21 reps on the bench and a 4.56/40 are all very good numbers.

To compare,

Devin White - 3-cone 7.07, short shuttle 4.17, 22 reps on the bench, 4.42/40

Devin Bush - 3-cone 6.93, short shuttle 4.23, 21 reps on the bench, 4.43/40

Fans get hung up on 40 times, but they are the least important numbers of all these. What is a wiser move for the Packers, use a 1st round pick on White or Bush? Or a 4th on a player like Burr-Kirven?     
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: dannobanano on March 23, 2019, 10:44:49 AM
thumbsup) on Burr-Kirven. I’ve been keeping an eye on him as well.

The only disqualifier for him danno in that he weighed in at 230 at the combine. Now that alone very well may be a complete deal breaker in the Packers eyes and put him off their board, but he is still only 21 years old and the Packers may view him as a player with some growth yet to come. The Packers do have a history of drafting some very young guys. His physical testing at the combine was top shelf stuff. His 3-cone was 6.85 which was 1st among all LB's, his short shuttle was 4.09 which was 3rd. 21 reps on the bench and a 4.56/40 are all very good numbers.

To compare,

Devin White - 3-cone 7.07, short shuttle 4.17, 22 reps on the bench, 4.42/40

Devin Bush - 3-cone 6.93, short shuttle 4.23, 21 reps on the bench, 4.43/40

Fans get hung up on 40 times, but they are the least important numbers of all these. What is a wiser move for the Packers, use a 1st round pick on White or Bush? Or a 4th on a player like Burr-Kirven?   

Change of direction and short area quickness is paramount for the position, and he's has the goods in those qualities.

I would view him as more of an off-the-ball defender at LB with the ability to be an upgrade of covering RB's and TE's.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on March 24, 2019, 01:52:49 AM
thumbsup) on Burr-Kirven. I’ve been keeping an eye on him as well.

...........or USC's ILB Cameron Smith. The Packers are strongly influenced by heady ILBs (both Ryan and Martinez were among the most instinctive in their draft years. Smith is another guy in that mold.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: The GM on March 24, 2019, 04:25:36 PM
thumbsup) on Burr-Kirven. I’ve been keeping an eye on him as well.

The only disqualifier for him danno in that he weighed in at 230 at the combine. Now that alone very well may be a complete deal breaker in the Packers eyes and put him off their board, but he is still only 21 years old and the Packers may view him as a player with some growth yet to come. The Packers do have a history of drafting some very young guys. His physical testing at the combine was top shelf stuff. His 3-cone was 6.85 which was 1st among all LB's, his short shuttle was 4.09 which was 3rd. 21 reps on the bench and a 4.56/40 are all very good numbers.


I've watched him extensively for the past 3 seasons.  Dozens of times in person.  Kid is a football player, VERY instinctive.   He's a tackling machine who led the nation in tackles and was the PAC12 DPOY.   Like RT said he a little small, but is always around the ball.  Very active. He reminds me of a smaller Blake Martinez, but is a better athlete IMO.  Not sure how his size will translate to the next level.  As a pure football player, the kid can play.   I'd take a flyer on him, he will help. at worse, he'll be a special teams demon.   He made a lot of big plays for Washington over the years.    If you can put a few pounds on him, somebody will get a very, very good football player.   
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: #66 on March 26, 2019, 04:53:19 PM
As I have posted elsewhere, Pettine's D has always featured a true "chase" linebacker when his D is at it's best.  I think that there is still some thought that this could either be Burks or Jones.  The addition of Amos greatly increases the liklihood of seeing Jones playing much closer to the LOS and as an overhang defender.  His best game was against Cincy, if I remember right, and he was lining up close to the ball most of the time that game.

That being said, Gutey's FA pickups are going to allow him to go just about anywhere with these picks.  After last year's draft it is clear that he is looking to add speed.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 26, 2019, 07:01:23 PM
As I have posted elsewhere, Pettine's D has always featured a true "chase" linebacker when his D is at it's best.  I think that there is still some thought that this could either be Burks or Jones.  The addition of Amos greatly increases the liklihood of seeing Jones playing much closer to the LOS and as an overhang defender.  His best game was against Cincy, if I remember right, and he was lining up close to the ball most of the time that game.

That being said, Gutey's FA pickups are going to allow him to go just about anywhere with these picks.  After last year's draft it is clear that he is looking to add speed.

Not trying to throw rocks at your house 66, but I just don't think your "chase" linebacker theory is correct. When Pettine was the DC for the Jets from '09-'12, all 4 years the 2 ILB's were David Harris and Bart Scott. Both veteran thumpers who were assignment sure, but not the most gifted of athletes. Just don't think anyone ever would call either a "chase" type LB. His one season in Buffalo as DC his ILB's were Arthur Moats (another plugger) and rookie Kiko Alonso. Alonso did have his best season as a rookie and could be called a "chase" LB I guess, but I think his game was more physical than chase. As the HC in Cleveland they signed a 33 year old Karlo Dansby (certainly not a chase type LB) and he was there both of Pettine's seasons. The second spot along side Dansby was somewhat a revolving door, but marginal players like Craig Robertson and Christian Kirksley had most of the starts.

This may well be the year that the Packers draft such a LB, but it's not because of a history of such a player in Pettine's defenses. IMO 
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 27, 2019, 09:06:18 AM

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Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 27, 2019, 09:08:49 AM

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Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: #66 on March 28, 2019, 07:49:26 AM
As I have posted elsewhere, Pettine's D has always featured a true "chase" linebacker when his D is at it's best.  I think that there is still some thought that this could either be Burks or Jones.  The addition of Amos greatly increases the liklihood of seeing Jones playing much closer to the LOS and as an overhang defender.  His best game was against Cincy, if I remember right, and he was lining up close to the ball most of the time that game.

That being said, Gutey's FA pickups are going to allow him to go just about anywhere with these picks.  After last year's draft it is clear that he is looking to add speed.

Not trying to throw rocks at your house 66, but I just don't think your "chase" linebacker theory is correct. When Pettine was the DC for the Jets from '09-'12, all 4 years the 2 ILB's were David Harris and Bart Scott. Both veteran thumpers who were assignment sure, but not the most gifted of athletes. Just don't think anyone ever would call either a "chase" type LB. His one season in Buffalo as DC his ILB's were Arthur Moats (another plugger) and rookie Kiko Alonso. Alonso did have his best season as a rookie and could be called a "chase" LB I guess, but I think his game was more physical than chase. As the HC in Cleveland they signed a 33 year old Karlo Dansby (certainly not a chase type LB) and he was there both of Pettine's seasons. The second spot along side Dansby was somewhat a revolving door, but marginal players like Craig Robertson and Christian Kirksley had most of the starts.

This may well be the year that the Packers draft such a LB, but it's not because of a history of such a player in Pettine's defenses. IMO
That NYJ D was very unique in that it had, arguably, one of the best sets of CBs in the history of modern football.  I think that helped mitigate the fact somewhat.  Last night I was looking, unsuccessfully, for the quote that included Pettine talking about the role of the "chase" LB in his system.  My argument was not that the player had to have a big name but that he was able to track across the field.  Scott did, actually, play with decent speed and Harris received a decent contract midway through Pettine's tenure there if I remember correctly in large part because he was making tackles all over the field.

Now, one could certainly argue that the prominent roles played by the DL in his system allow those ILBs to play much more clean and therefore react more quickly to targets coming out of the backfield and slot.  I would wholeheartedly agree with this.

I do believe that improved ILB play is imperative for GB.  I am just positing the thought that it may not come from a high draft pick but rather from someone already on the roster.  I also believe that there will be a pick at ILB at some point in the draft.  GB must not only try to improve the group but also prepare for the impending FA of Martinez who has yet to receive a more lucrative payday and certainly wants one in what will be his first high dollar contract.
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on March 28, 2019, 08:21:59 AM
As I have posted elsewhere, Pettine's D has always featured a true "chase" linebacker when his D is at it's best.  I think that there is still some thought that this could either be Burks or Jones.  The addition of Amos greatly increases the liklihood of seeing Jones playing much closer to the LOS and as an overhang defender.  His best game was against Cincy, if I remember right, and he was lining up close to the ball most of the time that game.

That being said, Gutey's FA pickups are going to allow him to go just about anywhere with these picks.  After last year's draft it is clear that he is looking to add speed.

Not trying to throw rocks at your house 66, but I just don't think your "chase" linebacker theory is correct. When Pettine was the DC for the Jets from '09-'12, all 4 years the 2 ILB's were David Harris and Bart Scott. Both veteran thumpers who were assignment sure, but not the most gifted of athletes. Just don't think anyone ever would call either a "chase" type LB. His one season in Buffalo as DC his ILB's were Arthur Moats (another plugger) and rookie Kiko Alonso. Alonso did have his best season as a rookie and could be called a "chase" LB I guess, but I think his game was more physical than chase. As the HC in Cleveland they signed a 33 year old Karlo Dansby (certainly not a chase type LB) and he was there both of Pettine's seasons. The second spot along side Dansby was somewhat a revolving door, but marginal players like Craig Robertson and Christian Kirksley had most of the starts.

This may well be the year that the Packers draft such a LB, but it's not because of a history of such a player in Pettine's defenses. IMO
That NYJ D was very unique in that it had, arguably, one of the best sets of CBs in the history of modern football.  I think that helped mitigate the fact somewhat.  Last night I was looking, unsuccessfully, for the quote that included Pettine talking about the role of the "chase" LB in his system.  My argument was not that the player had to have a big name but that he was able to track across the field.  Scott did, actually, play with decent speed and Harris received a decent contract midway through Pettine's tenure there if I remember correctly in large part because he was making tackles all over the field.

Now, one could certainly argue that the prominent roles played by the DL in his system allow those ILBs to play much more clean and therefore react more quickly to targets coming out of the backfield and slot.  I would wholeheartedly agree with this.

I do believe that improved ILB play is imperative for GB.  I am just positing the thought that it may not come from a high draft pick but rather from someone already on the roster.  I also believe that there will be a pick at ILB at some point in the draft.  GB must not only try to improve the group but also prepare for the impending FA of Martinez who has yet to receive a more lucrative payday and certainly wants one in what will be his first high dollar contract.

That is a really good posting.

I do believe that what they had it NY is Pettine's ideal. Elite cover corners and disruptive DLineman, ILB's that are heady, sure tacklers and keep them clean, stout edge players, safeties that are assignment sure. I agree that drafting an ILB is probably a fairly high likelihood because of the reason you gave, his contract is coming up and it was leaked by someone that him and his agent are looking for a big payday. I don't know if that happens in GB, but it is wise to have a plan B. As for Martinez, the thing that I wonder about is how he is viewed is a weak link. He is one of the best players on that defense. He was the top rated ILB in the NFC North last season by PPF, yet people obsess about getting rid of him. Don't get it. 
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: mancl on April 02, 2019, 06:37:06 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/01/packers-to-host-pre-draft-visit-with-boston-college-wr-jeff-smith/
Title: Re: 2019 draft tidbits
Post by: RT on May 20, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
Just dropping this here for anyone interested in a good post draft story. Chris Ballard with the Colts is one of the really sharp GM's out there, the Colts future looks very bright under his direction.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/05/20/colts-2019-offseason-chris-ballard-chris-long-retirement-patrick-peterson-suspension-mmqb