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Title: slot receiver
Post by: mancl on March 26, 2019, 06:59:00 AM
https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/03/25/packers-notes-ted-thompson-targeted-clay-matthews-2009-draft/3264638002/

In this post Gute talks about how he likes bigger guys to play the slot because they are more durable.  Sounds like they may be satisfied with what they have and will not be looking for the traditional smaller quicker guy.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on March 26, 2019, 07:13:55 AM
Agree with that, I think the Packers are confident that some of the young guys that they have will do well as slot WR's.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: SET4YRS on March 26, 2019, 07:47:30 AM
 One injury away from disaster at WR. Sorry, We have the chance to add players with Greg Jennings and Desean Jackson type of ceilings. Kumerow and Allison aren't good enough to get us to the SB. Need to add more. People are rabbit holed into defense, Pettine would have had a top 10 defense last year easy if he had a little help from the offense and didn't get decimated by injuries. CHI and Minny have tough defenses, we have to upgrade the offense for years down the line. Janis could have done a better job than what we fielded last year, and he wasn't good enough to keep around, look at stats and target %. My green and gold glasses are off when it comes to the WR group and the future.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on March 26, 2019, 12:35:31 PM
Packers signed WR Allen Lazard away from JAX practice squad last December. I wonder what they see in him and how he may fit in the new scheme?

Big Slot? He's 6-5/227.He ran a 4.55 forty at the Combine last year. That's faster than Tae Adams.And he posted a 38" vertical. He'd be a big target in the slot.

In addition to Lazard and the other "known" members of the WR corp, the roster currently also has Teo Redding 6-1/176.

I expect another couple WR's to be added, but I'm beginning to think that it won't be until much later in the draft, or even UDFA's that they bring in.

A lot of questions as to what kind of personnel MLF will want in this new offense.

We can't think of the past and what MM would want. 
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: ricky on March 26, 2019, 12:45:39 PM
Would Graham be a good fit in the slot? Or is he too slow and not able to get YAC anymore? Will the Packers have a designated slot player, or will they use a rotational approach to try to get a mismatch? And if Rodgers doesn't throw to the guy because he doesn't trust him, this whole discussion is moot.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on March 26, 2019, 01:08:46 PM
Would Graham be a good fit in the slot? Or is he too slow and not able to get YAC anymore? Will the Packers have a designated slot player, or will they use a rotational approach to try to get a mismatch? And if Rodgers doesn't throw to the guy because he doesn't trust him, this whole discussion is moot.

Graham's a big question mark as to how they will fit him in this new offense, so I guess we wait and see what MLF/Hackett have cooked up for him.

Would not surprise me to see multiple players used from the slot. Heck, last year they even played Tae Adams for the slot on occassion.

I think MLF/Hackett/Getsy will be "coaching" Rodgers hard to get him over that "trust" issue.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: SET4YRS on March 26, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
 A big slot is considered 6' 200 lbs, I think people are reading too much into this. There are players that can start in the slot but become much more and be moved around. I like some of the WR's from last year, but they are developmental, not willing to put all our eggs in that basket. We are GB and we need to be a feared offense competing for the SB.

 There was a rumor we were going to draft Dante Pettis in the 2nd last year, but SF traded ahead of us and drafted him. This year there are those two Ohio St players that I view as better prospects in Campbell and McLaurin, along with others. It just makes sense to me to add a couple higher picks to get us back to an elite offense down the road than continue with late round value.

 As far as Graham goes, he could have a big year if he can take on the Delanie Walker role in the MLF offense from Tenn. But, is he the future? - nope.

Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: IBV on March 26, 2019, 04:27:37 PM
What about Deebo Samuel , WR out of SC , looks like a slot guy to me , 5-11 , 214 lbs , maybe he might be there in the 2nd round !  Just a thought.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: SET4YRS on March 26, 2019, 05:16:42 PM
 Samuel would be a good one, read somewhere there are concerns about hamstring injuries though. May be able to trade down in the second or up from the third for him.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on March 26, 2019, 07:49:10 PM
A big slot is considered 6' 200 lbs, I think people are reading too much into this. There are players that can start in the slot but become much more and be moved around. I like some of the WR's from last year, but they are developmental, not willing to put all our eggs in that basket. We are GB and we need to be a feared offense competing for the SB.

 There was a rumor we were going to draft Dante Pettis in the 2nd last year, but SF traded ahead of us and drafted him. This year there are those two Ohio St players that I view as better prospects in Campbell and McLaurin, along with others. It just makes sense to me to add a couple higher picks to get us back to an elite offense down the road than continue with late round value.

 As far as Graham goes, he could have a big year if he can take on the Delanie Walker role in the MLF offense from Tenn. But, is he the future? - nope.

You are right about Pettis and the 49ers traded up and snagged him out from under the Packers. Not going to lobby hard against you here SET4YRS because I do believe that if the value is there that the Packers will draft a player at any position (at least I am hoping they still take that approach). But I will add that after Pettis got away the Packers added 3 WR's that they appear to like a fair bit and after paying for a year of their education, I don't believe they want to throw that investment away and go through more growing pains just for the sake of change. On the Packers big board WR's will have a positional adjustment, so in all likelihood most WR's will be slightly lower on their board than some other teams boards.

You have made it clear where you stand about the WR's, but in short I just don't think the Packers agree with you and in the end that will be all that matters.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: SET4YRS on March 26, 2019, 08:07:11 PM
 Doubt it. If they wanna chance waiting another 2 years for players to develop and not add any talent now, it will be a big risk. And failure would be a huge waste.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on March 26, 2019, 08:29:28 PM
I appreciate your passion on the subject, but why is drafting a new set of WR's less risk than the risk of the current set of WR's? With the parity design that is the NFL, the numbers crunch does not allow a team to do both. The Packers are not getting rid of Adams or Allison. If they add WR's in the draft this year, they will need to cut WR's they drafted last year. Maybe they will, but that seems a little counterproductive to me is all. But maybe. 
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: footballdad on March 27, 2019, 02:08:36 AM
Renfrow or Isabella? Kumerow or Allison? If Gute did not have a plan in mind they would have signed Cobb for another year.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: SET4YRS on March 27, 2019, 09:08:58 AM
 OK, one more post and I'm done.

 Depth Chart:
 Davante Adams.

 Two good developmental players that could become good consistent #2 WRs, but when?

 Two injury prone UDFA #3 WRs at their ceiling.

 A talent that couldn't figure out the offense and get on the field last year.

 An injury prone KR/PR that offers nothing to the offense.

 A QB that clearly stated he needs a WR to consistently make plays out the slot.

 A GM that said in a recent interview a slot WR will play a prominent role in the new offense.

 There it is, it all adds up to us needing to spend a higher pick on a day one talent. It's disappointing to me no other posters are talking about this. The thought that every late round pick or every player that makes the roster will develop into a starter is ridiculous. If we end up 4 deep at WR, great, the last time that happened we were competing for Super Bowls.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: PackerJoe on March 27, 2019, 09:14:53 AM
They can cut Davis at any time, he has done nothing since he has been here.  That creates a WR opening.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on March 27, 2019, 09:18:48 AM
They can cut Davis at any time, he has done nothing since he has been here.  That creates a WR opening.

It really doesn't, he was on IR most of last season.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on March 27, 2019, 09:35:58 AM
OK, one more post and I'm done.

 Depth Chart:
 Davante Adams.

 Two good developmental players that could become good consistent #2 WRs, but when?

 Two injury prone UDFA #3 WRs at their ceiling.

 A talent that couldn't figure out the offense and get on the field last year.

 An injury prone KR/PR that offers nothing to the offense.

 A QB that clearly stated he needs a WR to consistently make plays out the slot.

 A GM that said in a recent interview a slot WR will play a prominent role in the new offense.

 There it is, it all adds up to us needing to spend a higher pick on a day one talent. It's disappointing to me no other posters are talking about this. The thought that every late round pick or every player that makes the roster will develop into a starter is ridiculous. If we end up 4 deep at WR, great, the last time that happened we were competing for Super Bowls.

No need to be done SET4YRS, having many different viewpoints is a good thing.

Agree with some of what you are saying, but would like to see the quotes from the QB and GM for the sake of context.

I would not be surprised to see a WR drafted at any point in the draft and I believe that I have stated that a number of times on this site, but just don't believe it is something that needs to be forced and that is the feeling I am getting from you. Am I wrong here?

What is interesting about the WR population and the WR that the Packers have been connected to the most is N'Keal Harry from Arizona State, Gutes is meeting with him again today. I t would take pick 30 or 44 to land him, so is their the chance of spending high draft capital on a WR? Possibly.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 05, 2019, 07:40:32 PM
Just listened to Tony Pauline's April 4th podcast and he claims that the Packers have a very strong interest in Andy Isabella, but if they want him they are probably going to need to use their 2nd round pick on him. Pauline claims that both NE and AZ also like him a lot and he believes that NE would take him with one of their two 2nd round picks or AZ with the first pick in the 3rd round. Real or smokescreen?   
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: footballdad on April 06, 2019, 04:40:05 AM
I would tend to look at it as real. Not only a speed burner but quick in and out of cuts as well. Would hate to use a 2nd, but he would be a true slot guy and a weapon.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 06, 2019, 06:47:51 AM
Isabella could be a monster from the slot and would be a welcome addition to the big picture that MLF is seeking to create in GB.
Hard for me to choose between Isabella and Mecole Hardman though. I really like Hardman’s ST’s value. He would be a real threat as a PR/KR and Slot WR.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: morango on April 06, 2019, 08:29:15 AM
Isabella could be a monster from the slot and would be a welcome addition to the big picture that MLF is seeking to create in GB.
Hard for me to choose between Isabella and Mecole Hardman though. I really like Hardman’s ST’s value. He would be a real threat as a PR/KR and Slot WR.

Hardman could also be picked up a round or two later than Isabella, if he wasn't available at #44 or if there was a better value at a different position.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 06, 2019, 08:52:05 AM
If you are committed enough to Isabella, you could get a second round two pick at the bottom of the round. Give up the Packers 3rd round, the first 4th rounder and a 6th. That could net you KC's first pick at the bottom round 2 (they have one at #61 and another at #63).

Because they have two picks close together, the Packers 3rd rounder spreads out their picks nicely, AND gives them a 4th rounder which they don't currently possess, so the benefit exists from their side. Three picks for one is costly, but 2 x 1sts and 2 x 2nds can get your team better in a hurry. Imagine DL (or edge) / TE / FS / WR with those picks. lots of areas of need addressed, right there.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 06, 2019, 08:56:48 AM
If you are committed enough to Isabella, you could get a second round two pick at the bottom of the round. Give up the Packers 3rd round, the first 4th rounder and a 6th. That could net you KC's first pick at the bottom round 2 (they have one at #61 and another at #63).

Because they have two picks close together, the Packers 3rd rounder spreads out their picks nicely, AND gives them a 4th rounder which they don't currently possess, so the benefit exists from their side. Three picks for one is costly, but 2 x 1sts and 2 x 2nds can get your team better in a hurry. Imagine DL (or edge) / TE / FS / WR with those picks. lots of areas of need addressed, right there.

I like it in theory, BUT NE has picks 56 and 64 in the 2nd round. If they really like Isabella what keeps them from taking him at 56?
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Fargofootball on April 06, 2019, 09:40:39 AM
After the combine I wanted to jump on the bandwagon.
Seems like a late 3 early 4 value to me. Small body catchers will have problems from the slot vs NFL coverage IMHO. Let NE spend the 2 on him. Hope NE spends a 2 on him.


Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 06, 2019, 10:25:44 AM
If you are committed enough to Isabella, you could get a second round two pick at the bottom of the round. Give up the Packers 3rd round, the first 4th rounder and a 6th. That could net you KC's first pick at the bottom round 2 (they have one at #61 and another at #63).

Because they have two picks close together, the Packers 3rd rounder spreads out their picks nicely, AND gives them a 4th rounder which they don't currently possess, so the benefit exists from their side. Three picks for one is costly, but 2 x 1sts and 2 x 2nds can get your team better in a hurry. Imagine DL (or edge) / TE / FS / WR with those picks. lots of areas of need addressed, right there.

I like it in theory, BUT NE has picks 56 and 64 in the 2nd round. If they really like Isabella what keeps them from taking him at 56?

Nothing whatsoever. I was just finding a way to get a late 2nd pick, rather than looking at which specific team might take him.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: bmaafi on April 06, 2019, 06:32:44 PM
Just listened to Tony Pauline's April 4th podcast and he claims that the Packers have a very strong interest in Andy Isabella, but if they want him they are probably going to need to use their 2nd round pick on him. Pauline claims that both NE and AZ also like him a lot and he believes that NE would take him with one of their two 2nd round picks or AZ with the first pick in the 3rd round. Real or smokescreen?
I think it's a smokescreen. Gute said they want to get bigger guys in the slot not smaller.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on April 07, 2019, 01:18:48 PM
Just listened to Tony Pauline's April 4th podcast and he claims that the Packers have a very strong interest in Andy Isabella, but if they want him they are probably going to need to use their 2nd round pick on him. Pauline claims that both NE and AZ also like him a lot and he believes that NE would take him with one of their two 2nd round picks or AZ with the first pick in the 3rd round. Real or smokescreen?
I think it's a smokescreen. Gute said they want to get bigger guys in the slot not smaller.
I agree in that I think it's a smoke screen. You can get the same player cheaper and who rocked the Senior Bowl in Penny Hart.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 12, 2019, 03:23:43 PM
This something I have thought for awhile but had not seen anyone else bring it up until now.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2019/4/12/18307922/packers-slot-receiver-randall-cobb-matt-lafleur-nfl-draft-2019

The NFL is about matchups from week to week and I believe that on some Sunday's, Adams may well be the main slot WR.


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Last 3 "slot" receivers on Matt LaFleur's offense

Tajae Sharpe 6'2 201
Cooper Kupp 6'2 208
Mohamed Sanu 6'2 210

It's time to calibrate expectations for 2019 accordingly. Don't see a short, speedy WR and immediately think he fits for Green Bay.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 12, 2019, 03:24:44 PM

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J'mon Moore is 6'3 207 with an agility score in the 98th percentile. That's the ideal mold for a slot receiver in the Shanahan tree offense.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 13, 2019, 07:38:37 AM

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J'mon Moore is 6'3 207 with an agility score in the 98th percentile. That's the ideal mold for a slot receiver in the Shanahan tree offense.

This is an interesting thought, RT, and especially after reading this....................

https://nflspinzone.com/2019/03/14/green-bay-packers-jmon-moore-working-footwork-king/


It still would not surprise to see them draft a smaller body slot guy like an Isabella, Hardman, or Penny Hart just to give them an option of a certain type of player to use for certain personnel packages, and as a PR/KR.

But, I like the idea of Moore playing in the slot, especially when I've been reading so much about Tae talking about how he's excited for playing time in the slot.

https://clutchpoints.com/packers-news-davante-adams-definitely-looking-forward-to-playing-slot-receiver-at-times-in-2019/
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: The GM on April 13, 2019, 06:35:07 PM
Taking a look at Parris Campbell, I really like what he can bring.  Not real polished, but he has a Percy Harvin type of game.  Just not sure what pick it would take to draft him (44?), and if he'd fit in GB. Can go in the slot or move outside.  Caught 90 balls and 12 td's last year.  Speed galore and decent size.  He'd be a good weapon for LaFleur to tinker with in his offense.  Any thoughts on Campbell?
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Noble Warrior on April 13, 2019, 06:44:17 PM
Terry Godwin and Penny Hart are late round possibilities
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on April 14, 2019, 02:07:11 PM
I'm struggling with that slot receiver spot. I know Cobb played it last and was maybe the best over the past few years, but I've (we've) all read about how MLF wants a bigger body in the slot. Saying that...he had Gabriel in Atlanta and used him all over the field. I know that whoever they pick, he will need to be able to run the route tree. They picked three very good prospect last year. If/when they pick another wideout, slot/X/flanker/whatever...I can't believe they would go with another prospect with great speed and can't run routes. They will have to be very good route runners and have great hands. Maybe those are the guys to look for.....
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 14, 2019, 05:57:04 PM
My guess is that any WR they draft will also have to be a decent PR/KR
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Scott1956 on April 14, 2019, 07:41:20 PM
We have to remember that everything goes around. The last 7-10 years has been all about bigger WR's. Therefore the drafting of bigger DB's. Now look what the Chiefs have done. They went with smaller, faster and quick WR's. They make those bigger DB's look really slow. For my money Paris Campbell of Ohio State is the perfect slot target. He's played in a pro-style offense in college, and not only was very productive, he also has speed to burn. He won't make it out of the first round. This isn't a player that Al Davis would draft, Campbell has real talent.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 15, 2019, 02:21:13 AM
Terry Godwin and Penny Hart are late round possibilities

I believe Jeff Smith and Deandre Thomkins have visited the Packers - looks like they want a returner other than Trevor Davis. They may not be ideal slot guys, but do fit on ST.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 20, 2019, 12:42:28 PM
My guess as of right now is that all the WR's that line up and play the majority of downs from scrimmage during the 2019 season are already on the roster, slot position or others.

The Packers may well be telling us their draft plan at WR, but are fans listening. The Packers have 11 WR's currently under contract and will probably go to camp with 13, maybe 14. Most of the prospects they have been link to are of the very late round or UDFA types. I am starting to believe that WR is ignored in the draft and a couple of UDFA's are signed after the draft to fill out the camp roster for the position. This a list of the potential UDFA's that I can link the Packers to so far.

Penny Hart, Georgia State
Cody Thompson, Toledo
Alex Wesley, Northern Colorado
Jeff Smith, Boston College
Olabisi Johnson, Colorado State
DeAndre Thompkins, Penn State
Tyron Johnson, Oklahoma State

One or two of these guys may get drafted, but there will be a good supply of talent that does not. 
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 20, 2019, 12:52:23 PM
This could be true. MLF hasn't shied away from indicating that he could go with a bigger body WR at Slot (Kumerow, Brown, Allison), and Tae Adams has said he's looking forward to playing from the Slot as well.

My feeling is that of the names you just mentioned, which ones offer the most production as PR/KR, which could be their ticket to making this squad. I don't see Trevor Davis being in the plans this year, unless they can't find someone with "returner" tattooed on their forehead.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: footballdad on April 21, 2019, 04:28:49 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcpZhlzFXRY

Mecole Hardman - fills slot / KR / PR. Shades of Tyreek Hill?
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 21, 2019, 07:45:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcpZhlzFXRY

Mecole Hardman - fills slot / KR / PR. Shades of Tyreek Hill?

I watch that and all I see is a guy that is really fast, but I see zero as a slot player in those clips. He had one career ST's return for a TD in his career and that was again Middle Tennessee in a blow-out. This is from Tony Pauline's scouting report on him,

Analysis:
Hardman is a terrific athlete who displayed flashes of ability for Georgia but never elevated his game. He's unpolished as a receiver and may get consideration at cornerback, but the bottom line is that Hardman must make an NFL roster off his ability to return kicks and punts.

I know there is much love on this board for Hardman, but I'm not seeing it. A late round flyer on a return only would be okay I guess, but I think their are better returners in this class than him if the Packers are looking for a return only guy and some of those can probably be had as UDFA's.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 21, 2019, 11:51:14 AM
A lot of respect for Pauline, but he's one of many opinions.

There are others who feel that Hardman will be a better pro than college player because of Georgia's run heavy offense and the other WR options that were on the team with Hardman. Is he a finished product? No. But he has tremendous value to be used in numerous ways, and speed always kills.

https://thedraftnetwork.com/player/mecole-hardman

Hardman is one of the most electric weapons in the NFL Draft class. He uses his speed and fluidity to stretch the field from the slot, showing promise on deep balls. Additionally, his ability in space can be utilized in the RPO game. Hardman’s field vision and elusiveness allow him to be one of the best kick and punt return prospects in the NFL Draft. Hardman had just mediocre production, which was likely due to the talent surrounding him on Georgia’s offense. He projects as a better professional receiver than college, an an NFL team may be able to better utilize his ability. After the NFL Combine, I expect Hardman to be considered on Day 2 of the NFL Draft.

Here's another...........

Like most of the Georgia offensive skill players, the production doesn’t stand out due to the run-heavy nature of the offense and the other worthy targets in the passing game. What makes Hardman so exciting is that he offers top speed, but he also has excellent ball skills that makes him a legitimate vertical threat that can stretch defenses. Hardman complements his vertical receiving skills with dynamic potential in the return game and creating after the catch. I would like to see Hardman develop a broader route tree to become a more complete receiver, but he profiles as a starting slot receiver in the NFL that can be used in a variety of ways.

Plus, on punt returns he averaged 11.78 yds/return on 23 attempts in 2017 and 20.06 yds/return on 16 attempts in 2018. Those kind of stats aren't misleading.


Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 21, 2019, 03:15:37 PM
I know that Hardman is one of your guys, but we will just need to agree to disagree on him. I think he will be much higher on some other teams boards than on the Packers board. Not overly impressed by his gaudy punt return average, because of the talent level on the Georgia roster he often was given ample cushion and opportunity to get to the second level. Yet with those opportunities he only returned one punt for a TD in his career. The one thing I did love about him and I believe is the best quality that he has is how well he tracks the deep ball, but negative might be that he can't beat press coverage off the line. That is not just me thinking that, this is from the draftnetwork.com link you provided.

Listed 5-foot-10, 183 pounds and size is a limitation on tape. Willing blocker, but too often overwhelmed by bigger corners. Can get gripped up vs press coverage and has a hard time working free. Have not seen any examples of him winning in contested catch situations.

Through the pre-draft process I have no guys, I am only trying to narrow down who may well be strong possibilities for the Packers. After the draft is over, the players the Packers draft and the players they sign as UDFA's will be my guys.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 22, 2019, 12:53:33 PM
I know that Hardman is one of your guys, but we will just need to agree to disagree on him. I think he will be much higher on some other teams boards than on the Packers board. Not overly impressed by his gaudy punt return average, because of the talent level on the Georgia roster he often was given ample cushion and opportunity to get to the second level. Yet with those opportunities he only returned one punt for a TD in his career. The one thing I did love about him and I believe is the best quality that he has is how well he tracks the deep ball, but negative might be that he can't beat press coverage off the line. That is not just me thinking that, this is from the draftnetwork.com link you provided.

Listed 5-foot-10, 183 pounds and size is a limitation on tape. Willing blocker, but too often overwhelmed by bigger corners. Can get gripped up vs press coverage and has a hard time working free. Have not seen any examples of him winning in contested catch situations.

Through the pre-draft process I have no guys, I am only trying to narrow down who may well be strong possibilities for the Packers. After the draft is over, the players the Packers draft and the players they sign as UDFA's will be my guys.

I'm not thin skinned about the criticism. Was just pointing out that while Pauline did not think highly of him, there were others who did.

And as far as beating press coverage, that's why the draftnetwork guys profiled him as his best fit is in the slot, where he's not lined up on the LOS where press corners can get their hands on him. The slot allows him to release and then use his suddenness to beat press coverage, and he would provide that deep vertical threat down the middle of the field which would take pressure off the boundary receivers. Will be interesting to see if Gute/MLF want any WR with his body type.

Just say'in there are two sides to every eval. And it's pure speculation to say he's not high on the Packers board. Neither of us know anything about that.

I get it, you don't care for him. We're cool.

Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 23, 2019, 05:35:26 PM
Interesting article.............................

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2019/4/12/18307922/packers-slot-receiver-randall-cobb-matt-lafleur-nfl-draft-2019
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on April 23, 2019, 05:59:47 PM
Interesting article.............................

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2019/4/12/18307922/packers-slot-receiver-randall-cobb-matt-lafleur-nfl-draft-2019

That's funny Danno. I posted this same link on page 2/ reply 27 of this same thread.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on April 23, 2019, 06:21:53 PM
Interesting article.............................

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2019/4/12/18307922/packers-slot-receiver-randall-cobb-matt-lafleur-nfl-draft-2019

That's funny Danno. I posted this same link on page 2/ reply 27 of this same thread.

Totally missed it!

Was too busy reading the tweet!
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Brandon2348 on May 01, 2019, 09:55:51 AM
Not addressing the slot receiver position is a huge failure IMO.  Parris Campbell or AJ Brown were sitting there for the taking and the Packers  could do nothing because they shot there load on Savage. Very dissapointing.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on May 01, 2019, 10:25:12 AM
Not addressing the slot receiver position is a huge failure IMO.  Parris Campbell or AJ Brown were sitting there for the taking and the Packers  could do nothing because they shot there load on Savage. Very dissapointing.

The Packers pick in the second round was #44, AJ Brown was drafted 51st and Parris Campbell was drafted 59th. If the Packers had shared the same love for them that you do they would of drafted them, but their actions suggest they do not agree with you. Moving up did not stop them from drafting a WR if they had wanted to do so.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: ricky on May 01, 2019, 12:24:44 PM
Not addressing the slot receiver position is a huge failure IMO.  Parris Campbell or AJ Brown were sitting there for the taking and the Packers  could do nothing because they shot there load on Savage. Very dissapointing.

The Packers pick in the second round was #44, AJ Brown was drafted 51st and Parris Campbell was drafted 59th. If the Packers had shared the same love for them that you do they would of drafted them, but their actions suggest they do not agree with you. Moving up did not stop them from drafting a WR if they had wanted to do so.

Another case of getting fixated on one position and being very upset that position wasn't "addressed in the draft". Well, Allison could be in the slot; or Davis, if he finally gets his act together; or Sternberger or Graham or a lot of others. Rather than fretting about what didn't happen, why not find ways to address the position within the guys the team currently has available?
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Donzo on May 01, 2019, 01:35:10 PM
ESD is a slot guy, too, as is Adams… There’s a lot of slot talent on the roster.

For those worried about WR in general. One thing is clear, the Green Bay Packers are not worried about the WR position. Their complete inaction in acquiring new talent at WR speaks volumes.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: footballdad on May 02, 2019, 02:37:42 AM
Moore has a good chance there. Adams had drop issues as a freshman as well. Moore checks all the boxes if he can hang on to the ball. Receiver group will be fine.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on May 02, 2019, 06:37:02 AM
I think the past SB champ had a bunch of fair to good receivers, but nobody that stood out as a great receiver. (Gronk withstanding) So if NE can win with a great QB and a bunch of solid WRs....I suspect the WRs that Green Bay has will be enough.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: WTX_Cheese on May 02, 2019, 10:18:47 AM
 ESB, Kumerow, Moore and Lazard give the Packers enough to choose from in the slot. As much as I wanted to take a Round 2-3 receiver, I'm confident that one of these guys is going to answer the call come September.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on May 02, 2019, 02:21:49 PM
ESB, Kumerow, Moore and Lazard give the Packers enough to choose from in the slot. As much as I wanted to take a Round 2-3 receiver, I'm confident that one of these guys is going to answer the call come September.

Thanks for mentioning Lazard. His name almost never comes up.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: The GM on May 02, 2019, 04:46:30 PM
Moore has a good chance there. Adams had drop issues as a freshman as well. Moore checks all the boxes if he can hang on to the ball. Receiver group will be fine.

I think Moore makes the biggest jump of the WRs this year,  I know he's been putting in the work this offseason.  Looking forward to seeing his progress. 
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on May 02, 2019, 06:12:52 PM
Moore has a good chance there. Adams had drop issues as a freshman as well. Moore checks all the boxes if he can hang on to the ball. Receiver group will be fine.

I think Moore makes the biggest jump of the WRs this year,  I know he's been putting in the work this offseason.  Looking forward to seeing his progress.

I’d be all for that!

Watching Moore’s predraft highlights made me think he looked/moved A LOT like Davante Adams.

For whatever reason, this kind did not come to training camp last year prepared.

I think his offseason work may be evidence that he does not intend to let that happen again.

It would be a nice surprise to see him come in and impress.

Crossing my fingers!
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: The GM on May 02, 2019, 06:56:14 PM
Moore has a good chance there. Adams had drop issues as a freshman as well. Moore checks all the boxes if he can hang on to the ball. Receiver group will be fine.

I think Moore makes the biggest jump of the WRs this year,  I know he's been putting in the work this offseason.  Looking forward to seeing his progress.

I’d be all for that!

Watching Moore’s predraft highlights made me think he looked/moved A LOT like Davante Adams.

For whatever reason, this kind did not come to training camp last year prepared.

I think his offseason work may be evidence that he does not intend to let that happen again.

It would be a nice surprise to see him come in and impress.

Crossing my fingers!

I think he got out ahead of his skis in TC last year.  Came in as the next big thing, and got outworked.  I think he got a wake up call with EQB and MVS getting playing time.   I think he'll be better prepared and ready this TC.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on May 03, 2019, 06:01:10 AM
I was under the impression that Lazard was going to bulk and try to be a TE....
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on May 03, 2019, 06:23:25 AM
I was under the impression that Lazard was going to bulk and try to be a TE....

First I’ve heard that mentioned. Did you read that somewhere?

Packers website still lists him as a WR.

If they could add 12 lbs to him he’d be about the same size as Noah Fant and with similar measurables.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on May 03, 2019, 06:27:34 AM
I thought when they signed him, there was mention of him adding weight and becoming a TE. Anyone else remember that?
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on May 03, 2019, 07:45:53 AM
I recalled some fans wondering about a possible move to TE for Lazard, but I do not ever remember anything from the Packers on it.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on May 03, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
When you look at the Packers roster (and include this years udfa WR), it certainly seems like they have a penchant for big/tall WR's.

Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, and Teo Redding are the three smallest WR's at 6'-1".

It's almost like they have a baskeball team for a WR corps.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on May 05, 2019, 01:42:57 PM
I'm reading a lot of negative press in how Green Bay blew it by not getting a WR. I'm sorry, but they did in the third round, he just happens to be a TE. I think all the receiver positions will be different under MLF and don't think the Packers need to panic because they didn't draft a 2-3rd WR for the slot.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: ricky on May 05, 2019, 05:27:09 PM
When you look at the Packers roster (and include this years udfa WR), it certainly seems like they have a penchant for big/tall WR's.

Davante Adams, Trevor Davis, and Teo Redding are the three smallest WR's at 6'-1".

It's almost like they have a baskeball team for a WR corps.

Since most DB's are right round 6-0/6-1 in height, having a guy with a couple of inches on the backs, that can be very helpful. A good example of this was Al Harris, a really good defender- except he couldn't handle bigger, taller WR's. So, you look for mismatches wherever you can.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: TAYLORBOY on May 08, 2019, 10:01:07 AM
Maybe the days of a Cobb type WR to play slot aren't as important to  todays O formation that ML intends to run as it was in previous years under M3

ML has said he likes to use a bunch formation. In the bunch it might cause more confusion on the DB's matching up if the "slot guy" wasn't easily recognized because of his physical size...

ML could have the same WR's on the field for continuing plays but rotate the same 3 into different roles...which again would cause confusion for the DB's
assignments.

I believe ML isn't concerned about the physical qualities of a "slot guy" when maybe he doesn't view that WR to be pigeon holed to one position …..
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: craig on May 08, 2019, 10:23:53 AM
Interesting, would "bunching" perhaps work a little better with bigger guys? 
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: Hands on May 08, 2019, 10:24:14 AM
I see a need for a very quick change of direction receiver that would give the taller DBs fits in keeping up with them. Play them in the slot or elsewhere, just have one on your roster.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: dannobanano on May 08, 2019, 12:16:41 PM
I see a need for a very quick change of direction receiver that would give the taller DBs fits in keeping up with them. Play them in the slot or elsewhere, just have one on your roster.

Agree! Need a specific body type for certain plays.
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: RT on May 10, 2019, 11:49:34 AM
Zach Kruse does a good job digging into the basics of what MLF is looking for with a slot WR. Worth the time to read.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/05/09/geronimo-allison-fits-mold-for-slot-wr-in-matt-lafleurs-offense/
Title: Re: slot receiver
Post by: craig on May 12, 2019, 03:57:25 PM
Thanks, RT.  That was helpful article, showing size-wise and physical measurables, Allison is comparable slots in Shanahan type teams. 

ESB should also fit in the big/large physique profile.  I'm hoping also in the "smart" profile, although whether classroom intelligence carries over at all to football-field instincts, no guarantees.