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Title: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: whiterook87 on May 11, 2019, 06:35:29 AM
LaFleur wasn’t the sole decision-maker when it came to hiring assistant coaches, Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/05/11/report-matt-lafleur-didnt-have-full-say-on-hiring-packers-assistants/#comments
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: dannobanano on May 11, 2019, 07:29:08 AM
#1) Rizzi wanted a ton of money to come to green bay, and may have likely wanted to retain his title of assistant head coach which he had in Miami. Even though his interview with MLF went well, his other demands probably didn't sit well with Murph and Ball, and since MLF reports to Murph, it was a no sell. This is one of those instances where Murph's "control" factor may be a negative. However, it was widely rumored that Rizzi wanted to be the highest paid Coordinator/Coach, next to MLF, and I doubt that would have set well with Pettine or Hackett.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/21/packers-lose-special-teams-darren-rizzi-coach/

#2) It was "suggested" to MLF to retain Pettine, so the article extrapolates that Pettine IS NOT MLF's guy. There's a lot of guessing in this article regarding that claim. Pettine was retained prior to MLF's hiring because his defense showed progress during the season despite a ton of injuries and having very mediocre talent. Pettine proved that he deserved a chance to improve on that first year, plus, releasing him would have cost another ton of money by having to terminate another high end contract.
If, after meeting with Pettine, MLF had said that he could not work with the man, then they may have considered a change. But we don't/won't know that for sure.
It's probably safe to say that Pettine's defense had better show a very significant jump in improvement this year, especially with all the FA/Draft Capital that has been provided to him this off season.

I think that for a first time HC like MLF, that these were not unreasonable management decisions, given the past issues that grew out of the team corporate structure.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: ricky on May 11, 2019, 11:17:15 AM
(This was a response in another thread, but it also applies here)

dannobonano, this article is definitely eye opening. Someone should show this to Dunne and tell him, "This is how journalism is supposed to be." A lot of unsourced material, but both sides allowed to comment, so the reader can form their own opinions.

Anyway, it seems that Murphy is effectively the team "owner", with very little interference in how he runs the organization. Also, it seems that MLF , indeed, was effectively told to retain Pettine. Not forced, but "strongly urged" by the guy that hired him. What struck me was the apparent dislike for Ball within the organization. But the "owner" (Murphy) likes him, so he's now the guy who gets more power. Which puts more pressure on Gutekunst not to mess up when drafting.

If the team does indeed underperform again this year, who gets the ax? Does Gutekunst get moved aside for Ball to take over? Does Murphy "suggest" some changes in the coaching staff? Indeed, will MLF be retained? The last time the Packers had a one year coach was Ray Rhodes (Philbin doesn't count, since he wasn't coach for a full season). These are not predictions, but distinct possibilities if the team doesn't make the playoffs with a healthy Rodgers.

Then again, if the team returns to its winning ways, no one will care about who is telling who what, or which "silo" contains which responsibilities.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/tom-silversteins-piece-confirms-what-we-already-knew-the-packers-leadership-structure-is
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: dannobanano on May 11, 2019, 01:43:12 PM
The exact quote regarding keeping Pettine was...………….

"Defensive coordinator Mike Pettine was not forced on LaFleur, but the new coach was strongly encouraged to keep him."

I take that as saying they wanted MLF to at least interview Pettine, rather than dismiss him out of hand to bring in another guy he may have had in mind.

Letting Pettine go would have meant the 3rd DC in 3 years, and there may have been an underlying feeling in the organization that doing so may have set progress in improving the defense back even farther.

In the end, MLF did interview Pettine and decided to keep him. If he really felt strongly that he could not work with Pettine, he could have taken that to Murphy and tried to go in a different direction.

I don't see what happened as a mandate to MLF.

The Rizzi deal make me look at Russ Ball as the culrpit for that going south. Ball is the Director of Football Operations which means he would have sway in how to negotiate the contracts for coaches MLF wanted to hire. Rizzi made his contract demands public before coming to Green Bay to interview. Did Ball take offense to a ST's coach telling him how much he had to pay him? Also, did Rizzi also ask to be given the title of Assistant Head Coach (which he had in Miami)? Ball may have been wondering to himself "who is this guy, to be making demands of me?"

In the end, Murphy covered for Ball saying that the Packers did offer Rizzi what he wanted before he left. True? Untrue? I'll leave that up to everyone to decide for themselves.

There's little doubt in my mind that Murphy is grooming Ball to be his eventual successor as team president, at some point. Ball, seriously, got his feathers ruffled when Murphy passed him over in favor of Gute to be GM, and to compensate Ball for that slight, Murphy took away "Football Operations" from Gute and gave them to Ball along with a very large pay raise. Gute thought he was going to assume Ted's job, in it's entirety, but Murphy called him when he was on his way to Houston to tell him he was giving Football Operations to Ball, which would leave Director of Personnel (only) to Gute. Gute still accepted.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: happycrawfish on May 11, 2019, 02:09:34 PM
Lafleur interviewed with Pettin as one of his main candidates for defensive coordinator.  He had had a list and Pettin was among the favorites. There was no way for lafleur to know that Pettin would accept the offer to be his dc therefore the need to have a list of other candidates. It was often talked about after Lafleur was hired how he and the packers management both had a common like of Pettin. Clear case of an article trying to create controversy where there doesn’t seem to be much reason or logic to paint that picture. Seems pretty clear both Lafleur and the packers liked Pettin and was part of the reason Lafleur was hired
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: ricky on May 11, 2019, 02:24:27 PM
So, you've just gotten a new job that you've worked for and wanted for a long time. Your boss, the guy who hired you, suggests that perhaps your facial hair might get in the way of dealing with some customers. He foesn't want to tell you what to do, but he strongly suggests you consider being clean shaven. Of course, the choice is yours. You haven't been ordered to shave, it's simply been "strongly suggested". Would you shave or not?

As far as MLF feeling good about Pettine, sure he was. And what about the ST's coach that was (allegedly) not in the first few preferences MLF had? He ended up with a guy that was effectively chosen for him. So, if ST's underperform again, Murphy will step forward and take the blame for the hiring? Murphy seems to be, in fact the defacto "owner" of the Packers. Whether this will mean he'll be like KRaft, or like Jones or Snyder remains to be seen.

This is not to say all is gloom and doom. But the current power grab seems to go against the idea of the executives who run the team having more autonomy, and more like a traditional sports team model, where the owner is the final authority, right or wrong. MLF is Murphy's choice. So is the retention of PEtttine, something I also think is a good idea. But not also the ST's coach. And how far will the meddling/"sugggestions" go in the future? We'll see, but this is something to keep a close eye on.

Then again, if the team wins, who cares?
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 11, 2019, 04:08:44 PM
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Then again, if the team wins, who cares?
Certainly not me.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 11, 2019, 05:16:04 PM
But the current power grab seems to go against the idea of the executives who run the team having more autonomy,  ..................
And how far will the meddling/"sugggestions" go in the future?

I don't see it as a power grab. Sure things changed, but the top of the tree was Mark Murphy............both before and after the shakeup.
I don't see 'meddling' either.
What I do see is that Murphy realised things were not working, and he decided he needed to change things. That's a part of his job, failure would be if we still had the same setup.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: claymaker on May 12, 2019, 11:43:14 AM
I really don't get why they have to put that "power grab and chaos" spin on the story. To me, it comes from years of quiet resentment from a community that feels the team has under achieved. I'm sick of it tbh.

Based on the evidence I gather they are all on the same page.

Contradiction: "When McCarthy heard Ball was going to be Murphy’s pick, a source said, he objected because he wanted an experienced personnel evaluator who would not be averse to signing free agents. He had accepted Thompson’s draft-and-develop philosophy — knowing each year he would be replacing veterans with rookies — because he was loyal to Thompson. But recent weak drafts had made it more necessary to sign free agents." - Later the story points out the 4 free agent signings. Obviously, the talent of the roster had depleted and they needed to make changes. Gutekunst found players and Ball+Murphy agreed on all of them.

Negotiations with Rizzi: We simply do not know the details of that deal. It could have been years/length he didn't like. All we know is they did adjust their offer but he said no. That's on him not Murphy or Ball. It's a business they're allowed to explore options and negotiate.

I'm also curious why they imply it is unprecedented for Ball or Murphy to have their responsibilities and are allowed to do what they feel is best for the organization. If anyone can be easily replaced it's those two. The way their system is setup is similar to other teams. They just don't have an owner, and IMO isn't always a good thing. Sometimes you need someone at the top to make decisions and be held accountable to.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: ricky on May 12, 2019, 02:08:56 PM
I really don't get why they have to put that "power grab and chaos" spin on the story. To me, it comes from years of quiet resentment from a community that feels the team has under achieved. I'm sick of it tbh.

Based on the evidence I gather they are all on the same page.

Contradiction: "When McCarthy heard Ball was going to be Murphy’s pick, a source said, he objected because he wanted an experienced personnel evaluator who would not be averse to signing free agents. He had accepted Thompson’s draft-and-develop philosophy — knowing each year he would be replacing veterans with rookies — because he was loyal to Thompson. But recent weak drafts had made it more necessary to sign free agents." - Later the story points out the 4 free agent signings. Obviously, the talent of the roster had depleted and they needed to make changes. Gutekunst found players and Ball+Murphy agreed on all of them.

It was loyalty to Thompson that kept them from moving. They showed more concern about the feelings of TT than the needs of the team. IMO

Negotiations with Rizzi: We simply do not know the details of that deal. It could have been years/length he didn't like. All we know is they did adjust their offer but he said no. That's on him not Murphy or Ball. It's a business they're allowed to explore options and negotiate.

To re-clarify, thhis is not about Rizzi. It is how the new ST coach was chosen after Rizzi wasn't hired. Mennenga was (according to the article) not MLF's second, third or fouth choice. This was a guy that Murphy effectively hired, and MLF had no real say in the hiring (again, citing the article). But, not that Pettine knows he has the backing of Murphy, will he feel he has more authority to run the defense as he sees fit? This is pure speculation, but if others are forming their own "silos" (kingdoms?), why shouldn't Pettine follow suit? Just something to keep an eye on.

I'm also curious why they imply it is unprecedented for Ball or Murphy to have their responsibilities and are allowed to do what they feel is best for the organization. If anyone can be easily replaced it's those two. The way their system is setup is similar to other teams. They just don't have an owner, and IMO isn't always a good thing. Sometimes you need someone at the top to make decisions and be held accountable to.

According to the article, a number of people on the executive committee are simply holding seats, and feel lucky to there. Is this a group that would move to replace the guys who are effectively running the team? It seems thay are comfortable with the status quo of having Murphy, effectively, run the team and are taking a passive role. IF the Packers underachieve again this season with a healthy Rodgers, will the committee move to replace Murphy and/or Ball? Who on the board would be the next Parins? The real question being, is Murphy truly going to be held accountable? If, for example, the defense/ST underperform this year, will the committee ask hard questions and demand answers? Something to keep an eye on.

Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: Donzo on May 12, 2019, 04:09:48 PM
LaFleur wasn’t the sole decision-maker when it came to hiring assistant coaches, Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reports.

Shees, what nonsense... Exactly where was it stated "LaFleur didn't have final say on hiring assistants"?

Awful story and awful thread.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: The GM on May 12, 2019, 04:20:41 PM
I have no idea how much say MLF had in selecting his coaches, 

I do think Murphy is positioning himself for his next job.  Perhaps at the NFL HQ level at some point.  If true, I've got no issue with him taking more control of the organization.  I dont blame him, he's the big cheese in the organization during a key transitional period in getting a new GM and HC, and if he wants to have more power he can choose to do that.   Murphy isn't stupid, there's a reason he was with Goodell and others during the last CBA talks.   If he wants to have a hand in who is selected into the organization as coaches, I got no issue with it.  Id trust his judgement as to why he wouldn't want someone in there and whatever reasons why he would possibly veto it.    Murphy is a pretty smart guy,  he didn't just fall off a turnip truck.

       
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: ricky on May 12, 2019, 05:56:54 PM
I have no idea how much say MLF had in selecting his coaches, 

I do think Murphy is positioning himself for his next job.  Perhaps at the NFL HQ level at some point.  If true, I've got no issue with him taking more control of the organization.  I dont blame him, he's the big cheese in the organization during a key transitional period in getting a new GM and HC, and if he wants to have more power he can choose to do that.   Murphy isn't stupid, there's a reason he was with Goodell and others during the last CBA talks.   If he wants to have a hand in who is selected into the organization as coaches, I got no issue with it.  Id trust his judgement as to why he wouldn't want someone in there and whatever reasons why he would possibly veto it.    Murphy is a pretty smart guy,  he didn't just fall off a turnip truck.

     

Faxcinating, the theory of Murphy trying to move up in the heirarchy of the NFL. This makes a lot of sense. Whether Murphy's handling of the team is good or not remains to be seen. As stated earlier, if the team wins, who is going to care? Gave you a "Plus", which is rare for me. Even rarer? "Smites". Maybe one or two at most since this system was instituted. Well deserved, IMO.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: The GM on May 12, 2019, 06:51:33 PM
I have no idea how much say MLF had in selecting his coaches, 

I do think Murphy is positioning himself for his next job.  Perhaps at the NFL HQ level at some point.  If true, I've got no issue with him taking more control of the organization.  I dont blame him, he's the big cheese in the organization during a key transitional period in getting a new GM and HC, and if he wants to have more power he can choose to do that.   Murphy isn't stupid, there's a reason he was with Goodell and others during the last CBA talks.   If he wants to have a hand in who is selected into the organization as coaches, I got no issue with it.  Id trust his judgement as to why he wouldn't want someone in there and whatever reasons why he would possibly veto it.    Murphy is a pretty smart guy,  he didn't just fall off a turnip truck.

     

Faxcinating, the theory of Murphy trying to move up in the heirarchy of the NFL. This makes a lot of sense. Whether Murphy's handling of the team is good or not remains to be seen. As stated earlier, if the team wins, who is going to care? Gave you a "Plus", which is rare for me. Even rarer? "Smites". Maybe one or two at most since this system was instituted. Well deserved, IMO.

Thx Ricky, its just a theory that may never come to fruition.   I think he's well liked and respected  at the NFL and around the league owners.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 13, 2019, 04:49:16 AM
How fitting that Aaron accepted a very small cameo appearance on the Game of Thrones.

I come to this site thinking there will be football discussion and instead find fantastical tales of diabolical scheming and battles for power.  I'm a little confused, so let me make sure I've got this down correctly.

McCarthy went down at the Red Wedding - right? Lombardi lost the Battle of the Bastards? Is LaFleur Jon Snow? Is Winter still coming, or has the Night King been killed?

One thing I am quite certain of is, If Murphy is Cercei, he better look out for anyone showing up with a dragon.

 ::) crazy)
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: ricky on May 13, 2019, 10:53:46 AM
B,  clap) hysterical hatsoff) popcorn)

Nice riposte. But if this affects the team, it is important. If it doesn't, it's not. Also, this is the "lull time" for everyone, including beat writers. Staying in the entertainment realm, as Nick Carlton (William Hurt) said in "The Big Chill". "Just trying to keep the conversation lively!"

OK, just read this at CheeseheadTV, and it's not optimistic. It talks about patience. Well, Rodgers is 35, and unless he can play as well as Brady, and stay as healthy until he's 42, then the window for winning is closing rapidly. It seems the team has done everything it can to maximize the chances of a quick turnaround from the past few seasons. Time to set a new standard for first year coaches in GB, and, at minimum, make a strong drive for the SB.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/matt-lafleur-and-new-staff-need-patience-704
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: craig on May 13, 2019, 02:18:41 PM
It was interesting after after the first minicamp, how much Rodgers and Adams and the veterans on offense talked about "new system".  Having worked under the single MM system for all of their careers, will be interesting to see how quickly they can adapt.  Obviously we're all hoping it will benefit them greatly and they'll love it.  Perhaps it will have some challenges.  Certainly it will give the offense an excuse to struggle! 
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: The GM on May 14, 2019, 10:37:55 AM
It was interesting after after the first minicamp, how much Rodgers and Adams and the veterans on offense talked about "new system".  Having worked under the single MM system for all of their careers, will be interesting to see how quickly they can adapt.  Obviously we're all hoping it will benefit them greatly and they'll love it.  Perhaps it will have some challenges.  Certainly it will give the offense an excuse to struggle!

Gotta expect some growing pains on both sides of the ball.  A new head coach and offense and a lot of new faces and rookies on defense.  Hoping it all comes together but its probably asking a lot.


Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 14, 2019, 11:03:13 AM
Growing pains? Yes absolutely!
Excuses? Absolutely NOT!

The first is inevitability and essential in the growing process individually as players and collectively as a team.
The second is a barrier to growth and development.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: marklawrence on May 14, 2019, 03:15:29 PM
Rodgers is 35, and unless he can play as well as Brady, and stay as healthy until he's 42, then the window for winning is closing rapidly.

Brady gets rid of the ball quick and doesn't put himself in jeopardy. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet Rodgers has taken at least double the sacks Brady has. Also Brady is perfectly happy to march down the field 7 yards at a time. He doesn't push his arm like Rodgers does.

Rodgers apparently eats really well and stretches and works out, but I'm not at all confident that's enough to keep him playing until he's 42.

** I looked it up, and the stats are not so compelling. Brady averages 26 sacks a year, Rodgers 32.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: The GM on May 14, 2019, 04:15:26 PM
Rodgers is 35, and unless he can play as well as Brady, and stay as healthy until he's 42, then the window for winning is closing rapidly.

Brady gets rid of the ball quick and doesn't put himself in jeopardy. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet Rodgers has taken at least double the sacks Brady has. Also Brady is perfectly happy to march down the field 7 yards at a time. He doesn't push his arm like Rodgers does.

Rodgers apparently eats really well and stretches and works out, but I'm not at all confident that's enough to keep him playing until he's 42.

** I looked it up, and the stats are not so compelling. Brady averages 26 sacks a year, Rodgers 32.

What also helps is Bradys surrounding cast.  His contract helps provide that surrounding cast.  Brady has the lowest salary of any starting QB not on a rookie deal.  Think about that for a minute.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: dannobanano on May 14, 2019, 04:35:20 PM
Rodgers is 35, and unless he can play as well as Brady, and stay as healthy until he's 42, then the window for winning is closing rapidly.

Brady gets rid of the ball quick and doesn't put himself in jeopardy. I'm too lazy to look it up, but I bet Rodgers has taken at least double the sacks Brady has. Also Brady is perfectly happy to march down the field 7 yards at a time. He doesn't push his arm like Rodgers does.

Rodgers apparently eats really well and stretches and works out, but I'm not at all confident that's enough to keep him playing until he's 42.

** I looked it up, and the stats are not so compelling. Brady averages 26 sacks a year, Rodgers 32.

What also helps is Bradys surrounding cast.  His contract helps provide that surrounding cast.  Brady has the lowest salary of any starting QB not on a rookie deal.  Think about that for a minute.

Brady plays the game for the love of it, and the rings. He don’t need no steenking money!

His wife’s net worth is north of $400M and going up by the minute!
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 14, 2019, 05:37:36 PM
Rest assured, even as Brady helps his team with cap space he has made bank. Brady shot past $200 million in career earnings in 2018.

Yes, he loves the game, but he has NOT exactly been playing for free.

1   Eli Manning Career Earnings   
Eli Manning
QUARTERBACK   $235,280,004

2   Drew Brees Career Earnings   
Drew Brees
QUARTERBACK   $221,710,422

3   Tom Brady Career Earnings   
Tom Brady
QUARTERBACK   $212,166,804

4   Aaron Rodgers Career Earnings   
Aaron Rodgers
QUARTERBACK   $204,044,529

5   Philip Rivers Career Earnings   
Philip Rivers
QUARTERBACK   $202,917,656

6   Ben Roethlisberger Career Earnings   
Ben Roethlisberger
QUARTERBACK   $187,286,864

7   Matt Ryan Career Earnings   
Matt Ryan
QUARTERBACK   $178,707,925

8   Matthew Stafford Career Earnings   
Matthew Stafford
QUARTERBACK   $178,278,969

9   Larry Fitzgerald Career Earnings   
Larry Fitzgerald
WIDE RECEIVER   $163,296,387

10   Joe Flacco Career Earnings   
Joe Flacco
QUARTERBACK   $147,800,000

11   Alex Smith Career Earnings   
Alex Smith
QUARTERBACK   $146,475,0
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 15, 2019, 06:27:55 AM
Rest assured, even as Brady helps his team with cap space he has made bank. Brady shot past $200 million in career earnings in 2018.

Yes, he loves the game, but he has NOT exactly been playing for free.

1   Eli Manning Career Earnings   
Eli Manning
QUARTERBACK   $235,280,004

2   Drew Brees Career Earnings   
Drew Brees
QUARTERBACK   $221,710,422

3   Tom Brady Career Earnings   
Tom Brady
QUARTERBACK   $212,166,804

4   Aaron Rodgers Career Earnings   
Aaron Rodgers
QUARTERBACK   $204,044,529

5   Philip Rivers Career Earnings   
Philip Rivers
QUARTERBACK   $202,917,656

6   Ben Roethlisberger Career Earnings   
Ben Roethlisberger
QUARTERBACK   $187,286,864

7   Matt Ryan Career Earnings   
Matt Ryan
QUARTERBACK   $178,707,925

8   Matthew Stafford Career Earnings   
Matthew Stafford
QUARTERBACK   $178,278,969

9   Larry Fitzgerald Career Earnings   
Larry Fitzgerald
WIDE RECEIVER   $163,296,387

10   Joe Flacco Career Earnings   
Joe Flacco
QUARTERBACK   $147,800,000

11   Alex Smith Career Earnings   
Alex Smith
QUARTERBACK   $146,475,0

Which of course does not even begin to touch the various commercial and endorsement contract that Tom has collected upon, likely followed closely by Drew and Aaron.

The Tom plays purely for the love of the game has been a great marketing ploy, which has resulted in every penny he has left on the table through contract restructuring being returned 10 fold in other dollars.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: craig on May 15, 2019, 12:08:42 PM
That said, Bruce, I kinda wish Rodgers used a ploy like that, and freed up a bunch of millions of cap money for the team to use!  :):):)  Commercial income doesn't count against the cap.  Brady is 6+ years (and 5 SB wins) older than Rodgers, but is only $8 ahead.  Having an extra $6M in cap money for the team to use every year, that can be kinda helpful I'd think in assembling a surrounding cast.  I think Brady leaving a bunch of cap money on the table has made it a little easier for the Patriots to keep fielding super bowl teams.  O well, that was a unique decision that has served Brady and the Patriots very well. 
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 15, 2019, 01:57:46 PM
That is more a result of where and when they started

In 2001, the year he won his first Super Bowl - Tom Brady was paid $314,000. He was a 6th round pick and that was the salary number for his 6th round slot that year - all well and good -  the Patriots got a bargain.

2005 Rodgers’ rookie deal -  Five years, $7.65 million, his slide in the first round cost him millions. Alex Smith, No. 1 overall pick in the 2005 draft, signed a six-year, $49.5 million deal with the San Francisco 49ers.

Brady restructuring his yearly contract is not him giving it away, it is simply changing when and how he receives it.

Different organizations handle CAP management differently. Frankly New England and Green Bay while very different, both are viewed as managing it very well.

Frankly, I think they are all overpaid
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: RT on May 18, 2019, 08:31:04 AM
Michael Lombardi - May 16th podcast,

“Packers dysfunction is because Mark Murphy has taken the team and said, “I’m the king of all kings, everything must go through me,” Oliver North invented this term “plausible deniability” – Murphy can sit there and say ‘Oh I have nothing to do with it.’
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on May 19, 2019, 05:38:28 AM
There is no doubt that Michael Lombardi was extremely disappointed that he didn't get the GM job. He doesn't like Murphy and I'm sure would love to see him fall on his face. I know he and others who were passed over are the source of this sudden dysfunction buzz/ Bottom line though is that Mark Murphy is the boss, and until he isn't anymore he will put in place the organizational structure that is he sees fit.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: RT on May 19, 2019, 06:32:46 AM
There is no doubt that Michael Lombardi was extremely disappointed that he didn't get the GM job. He doesn't like Murphy and I'm sure would love to see him fall on his face. I know he and others who were passed over are the source of this sudden dysfunction buzz/ Bottom line though is that Mark Murphy is the boss, and until he isn't anymore he will put in place the organizational structure that is he sees fit.

Michael Lombardi was never in anyone's minds about possibly being the Packers next GM, not even in Michael Lombardi's mind.
Title: Re: Matt LaFleur did not have final say on hiring assistants
Post by: B on June 02, 2019, 05:14:47 AM
The "other" MM says Bullshit!

Coach LaFleur had complete control over the hiring of his coaching staff,” Murphy said. “The report was the result of an article in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel based on interviews with 20 anonymous sources. I told the author that Coach LaFleur had complete control to hire his assistants, but he included comments to the contrary from an anonymous source. The editors said they wanted to present a “balanced” view of the hiring process. Interestingly, they never asked Coach LaFleur if he was able to hire his assistants, something he would have confirmed. … Hiring assistant coaches is one of the most important in in the success of a head coach, and I’ve always felt it is foolish to restrict them in any way.”