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Title: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: claymaker on August 09, 2019, 08:49:32 AM
Finally get to see them play again, so happy about that.

Onto what I saw from the game, I liked what the offense was able to do. Kizer looked okay vs their defense and made some nice plays and throws. For better or worse he's not the worst backup you could hope for. Boyle also did some nice things, so I wonder how confident they are in him replacing Kizer. It'll be interesting to see how the WR competition turns out, I think Kumerow is probably in the lead for the 2/3 spot. J'mon Moore doesn't appear to have improved his catching ability, so I don't put much confidence in his future as of now. Dexter Williams looked okay at RB. Production wasn't great but I don't think he didn't produced any negative plays.

The defense looked pretty good TBH. Raven Greene had a good night with a forced fumble and nice tackles, which were a sore spot all night. Rashan Gary had some nice rushes and created pressure against their OLine. Montravius Adams was disruptive and drew the attention of their OLine when he was on the field. The DBs had some nice moments and ended the night with 2 picks off Joe Webb, Hollman and Greene stood out. Aside from the tackling, which was not very good, and an early miscommunication I didn't see much I didn't like from the 2s. Ty Summers was forced into a lot of action with Oren Burks getting his bell rung and looked okay but I think communication is probably his biggest obstacle right now, I suspect he will make the 53.

Overall, a solid outing by the "depth chart" of Green Bay as none of the starters played on either side. Some of starters played for Houston, so it was good to see guys like Gary and Kumerow go against their 1s and show they belong.     
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: ricky on August 09, 2019, 09:52:42 AM
NFLN has a replay of the game tomorrow (Saturday) at 4 P.M. (CST).
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: claymaker on August 09, 2019, 10:36:47 AM
Also, J.K Scott looks like he got a lot of good work in the offseason and it showed on his punts. Lots of hangtime and lots of distance. He also had a really nice knuckle punt that forced the first score of the game. Packers must feel good about drafting him. I'll also amend my description of Dexter Williams, he looked good and produced well. It didn't look like he was getting much on his runs, but looking at the stats he averaged 4.5 yards per carry and made a nice screen catch and run.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: craig on August 09, 2019, 12:43:04 PM
Thanks much for game report, clay.  I didn't see the game, so helpful to read your observations. 
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on August 09, 2019, 12:49:12 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the WR competition turns out, I think Kumerow is probably in the lead for the 2/3 spot. J'mon Moore doesn't appear to have improved his catching ability, so I don't put much confidence in his future as of now. 

I'd have to disagree with this. Number one is obviously D.Adams. I'd say the no.2 is MVS. No.3 is Allison. I put them in that order as I think Allison plays the slot while MVS plays outside. Kumerow's competition is ESB, Davis, Moore, Shepherd, Lazard.

I'd put ESB and Davis (if he comes back healthy fairly quickly), above Kumerow. Why ? Because both are faster than Kumerow. All three have been making good catches, many times in practice. ESB is as big and is much more athletic (and five years younger). Davis has track speed. He has really come on this year as a receiver and already has good value as a returner (exactly what you want from receivers deeper in the rotation). Age is irrelevant between Davis and Kumerow (only one year  apart).

I'd put Kumerow above Moore (who has not impressed as much as several other receivers). Shepherd has been catching well, making splash plays, and has return ability, but I think Kumerow's size and ability trumps Shepherd. Lazard is almost 6'5", has similar speed (and is 23 years old). I'm guessing that Kumerow is still more valuable than the younger Lazard.

To my way of thinking the depth (best to worst) is something like D.Adams, MVS, Allison, ESB, Davis, Kumerow, Shepherd, Moore, Lazard. The puts Kumerow at No.6 in my estimation, on the cusp of making the cut.

I know Kumerow (or Jesus, if you prefer) is a very popular guy and It's obvious Rodgers likes him, but the Packers have real talent at WR and it makes for some very tough decisions at cut down time. If I had to predict whether Kumerow makes the cut, I'd say yes he does, but not as the no.2 or 3 option.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: craig on August 09, 2019, 01:05:40 PM
I think Shepherd is a PS candidate.  Hope he makes it; he's a North Dakota State guy.  I used to work there, so would love to have him make it.  Lots of friends who are huge fans of NDSU and think highly of Shepherd.  PS is built for a guy like that. 
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on August 09, 2019, 01:09:38 PM
I think Shepherd is a PS candidate.  Hope he makes it; he's a North Dakota State guy.  I used to work there, so would love to have him make it.  Lots of friends who are huge fans of NDSU and think highly of Shepherd.  PS is built for a guy like that.

Definitely agree with craig that Shepherd is very likely PS material. The real question is that there should be good WRs on the PS (Shepherd, Lazard, Moore), so who would get claimed if put there. As a smaller guy, I think Shepherd could well stick there and be an option if the Packers get a cluster of injuries at WR.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: claymaker on August 09, 2019, 03:23:08 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the WR competition turns out, I think Kumerow is probably in the lead for the 2/3 spot. J'mon Moore doesn't appear to have improved his catching ability, so I don't put much confidence in his future as of now. 

I'd have to disagree with this. Number one is obviously D.Adams. I'd say the no.2 is MVS. No.3 is Allison. I put them in that order as I think Allison plays the slot while MVS plays outside. Kumerow's competition is ESB, Davis, Moore, Shepherd, Lazard.

I'd put ESB and Davis (if he comes back healthy fairly quickly), above Kumerow. Why ? Because both are faster than Kumerow. All three have been making good catches, many times in practice. ESB is as big and is much more athletic (and five years younger). Davis has track speed. He has really come on this year as a receiver and already has good value as a returner (exactly what you want from receivers deeper in the rotation). Age is irrelevant between Davis and Kumerow (only one year  apart).

I'd put Kumerow above Moore (who has not impressed as much as several other receivers). Shepherd has been catching well, making splash plays, and has return ability, but I think Kumerow's size and ability trumps Shepherd. Lazard is almost 6'5", has similar speed (and is 23 years old). I'm guessing that Kumerow is still more valuable than the younger Lazard.

To my way of thinking the depth (best to worst) is something like D.Adams, MVS, Allison, ESB, Davis, Kumerow, Shepherd, Moore, Lazard. The puts Kumerow at No.6 in my estimation, on the cusp of making the cut.

I know Kumerow (or Jesus, if you prefer) is a very popular guy and It's obvious Rodgers likes him, but the Packers have real talent at WR and it makes for some very tough decisions at cut down time. If I had to predict whether Kumerow makes the cut, I'd say yes he does, but not as the no.2 or 3 option.

Speed only kills if you can use it. Davis has yet to prove he can be relied on to stay healthy, and he's injured right now. Kumerow is definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis, Green Bay has said as much with their depth chart. He's listed as their number 3 ahead of Allison. It's not a fan favorite thing, he's earned it. https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart

We can get semantical over the 2 or 3 option but he's earned himself a place in this offense and will get significant playing time this year.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: dannobanano on August 09, 2019, 05:34:30 PM
Not trying to make a stink about Trevor Davis here, but contract could end up being a factor at some point.

2019 is the final year of Davis' contract and then he's a UFA, but Shepherd is under contract through 2021.

If it's a tight decision between these two as to who better fits as Slot WR and PR, having a guy on a cheap contract for the next 3 years could come into play.

Plus, Shepherd then becomes a RFA, because he went undrafted. GB would basically control his contract for the next 4 years.

Just say'in.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: Shinesman on August 09, 2019, 09:13:57 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the WR competition turns out, I think Kumerow is probably in the lead for the 2/3 spot. J'mon Moore doesn't appear to have improved his catching ability, so I don't put much confidence in his future as of now. 

I'd have to disagree with this. Number one is obviously D.Adams. I'd say the no.2 is MVS. No.3 is Allison. I put them in that order as I think Allison plays the slot while MVS plays outside. Kumerow's competition is ESB, Davis, Moore, Shepherd, Lazard.

I'd put ESB and Davis (if he comes back healthy fairly quickly), above Kumerow. Why ? Because both are faster than Kumerow. All three have been making good catches, many times in practice. ESB is as big and is much more athletic (and five years younger). Davis has track speed. He has really come on this year as a receiver and already has good value as a returner (exactly what you want from receivers deeper in the rotation). Age is irrelevant between Davis and Kumerow (only one year  apart).

I'd put Kumerow above Moore (who has not impressed as much as several other receivers). Shepherd has been catching well, making splash plays, and has return ability, but I think Kumerow's size and ability trumps Shepherd. Lazard is almost 6'5", has similar speed (and is 23 years old). I'm guessing that Kumerow is still more valuable than the younger Lazard.

To my way of thinking the depth (best to worst) is something like D.Adams, MVS, Allison, ESB, Davis, Kumerow, Shepherd, Moore, Lazard. The puts Kumerow at No.6 in my estimation, on the cusp of making the cut.

I know Kumerow (or Jesus, if you prefer) is a very popular guy and It's obvious Rodgers likes him, but the Packers have real talent at WR and it makes for some very tough decisions at cut down time. If I had to predict whether Kumerow makes the cut, I'd say yes he does, but not as the no.2 or 3 option.

Speed only kills if you can use it. Davis has yet to prove he can be relied on to stay healthy, and he's injured right now. Kumerow is definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis, Green Bay has said as much with their depth chart. He's listed as their number 3 ahead of Allison. It's not a fan favorite thing, he's earned it. https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart

We can get semantical over the 2 or 3 option but he's earned himself a place in this offense and will get significant playing time this year.

Agreed. Kumerow has earned his stripes by being a consistent playmaker when given the chance. He had the two toughest covered catches in the game. DB all over him and catches with his hands away from his body to secure the catch. ESB and Moore are definitely not on his level as a WR. Sheppard looked good and Lazard could become monster if he continues to improve. At this point I would be keeping Adams, MVS, Kumerow, Allison, Lazard & ESB. Sheppard if we keep 6. Davis minor contributions haven't been near enough to justify his spot. Moore may very well clear and end up on PS with his failure to perform.

Adams is the all-star, MVS & ESB are the burners, Allison is the possession guy, Kumerow is the swiss army knife, Lazard is the big body who can go up and make some contested jump balls. That wouldnt be a group to sleep on for any defensive unit.

Side note, so.many people were coming open on crossing routes and schemes it was refreshing. Putting Adam's and MVS and Graham into this offense when the season starts should be a fun thing to see.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: The GM on August 09, 2019, 10:38:43 PM
It'll be interesting to see how the WR competition turns out, I think Kumerow is probably in the lead for the 2/3 spot. J'mon Moore doesn't appear to have improved his catching ability, so I don't put much confidence in his future as of now. 

I'd have to disagree with this. Number one is obviously D.Adams. I'd say the no.2 is MVS. No.3 is Allison. I put them in that order as I think Allison plays the slot while MVS plays outside. Kumerow's competition is ESB, Davis, Moore, Shepherd, Lazard.

I'd put ESB and Davis (if he comes back healthy fairly quickly), above Kumerow. Why ? Because both are faster than Kumerow. All three have been making good catches, many times in practice. ESB is as big and is much more athletic (and five years younger). Davis has track speed. He has really come on this year as a receiver and already has good value as a returner (exactly what you want from receivers deeper in the rotation). Age is irrelevant between Davis and Kumerow (only one year  apart).

I'd put Kumerow above Moore (who has not impressed as much as several other receivers). Shepherd has been catching well, making splash plays, and has return ability, but I think Kumerow's size and ability trumps Shepherd. Lazard is almost 6'5", has similar speed (and is 23 years old). I'm guessing that Kumerow is still more valuable than the younger Lazard.

To my way of thinking the depth (best to worst) is something like D.Adams, MVS, Allison, ESB, Davis, Kumerow, Shepherd, Moore, Lazard. The puts Kumerow at No.6 in my estimation, on the cusp of making the cut.

I know Kumerow (or Jesus, if you prefer) is a very popular guy and It's obvious Rodgers likes him, but the Packers have real talent at WR and it makes for some very tough decisions at cut down time. If I had to predict whether Kumerow makes the cut, I'd say yes he does, but not as the no.2 or 3 option.

Speed only kills if you can use it. Davis has yet to prove he can be relied on to stay healthy, and he's injured right now. Kumerow is definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis, Green Bay has said as much with their depth chart. He's listed as their number 3 ahead of Allison. It's not a fan favorite thing, he's earned it. https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart

We can get semantical over the 2 or 3 option but he's earned himself a place in this offense and will get significant playing time this year.

Side note, so.many people were coming open on crossing routes and schemes it was refreshing. Putting Adam's and MVS and Graham into this offense when the season starts should be a fun thing to see.

I think Graham is the key to this season, and the Packers will go as he goes.   Mediocre Graham = Mediocre season.  Good Graham = Good season, Graham goes off = Packers go off.   The Packers have lots of weapon but in general I think Graham's play is a HUGE factor in how this season will go. JMO   
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: ricky on August 10, 2019, 06:52:22 AM
Not trying to make a stink about Trevor Davis here, but contract could end up being a factor at some point.

2019 is the final year of Davis' contract and then he's a UFA, but Shepherd is under contract through 2021.

If it's a tight decision between these two as to who better fits as Slot WR and PR, having a guy on a cheap contract for the next 3 years could come into play.

Plus, Shepherd then becomes a RFA, because he went undrafted. GB would basically control his contract for the next 4 years.

Just say'in.

Excellent point. Given a choice between a higher paid player or a cheaper player who are effectively equal physically and in terms of development, it only makes sense that the lower paid player be retained. So, definitely, Davis is in a "prove it or lose it" mode this year. Stay healthy, be productive, earn a second contract.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: craig on August 10, 2019, 07:04:16 AM
....
Side note, so.many people were coming open on crossing routes and schemes it was refreshing. Putting Adam's and MVS and Graham into this offense when the season starts should be a fun thing to see.

Thanks for sharing that observation.  That's very encouraging. 
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 10, 2019, 07:28:55 AM

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Of the 24 defensive players to play 20+ snaps in the #Packers  win last night, UDFA Curtis Bolton was the highest graded.

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Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: The GM on August 10, 2019, 08:33:26 AM
Summers getting a lot of ink after his first game.  May have earned himself some more TC reps.  We'll see.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: The GM on August 10, 2019, 09:13:25 AM
Not trying to make a stink about Trevor Davis here, but contract could end up being a factor at some point.

2019 is the final year of Davis' contract and then he's a UFA, but Shepherd is under contract through 2021.

If it's a tight decision between these two as to who better fits as Slot WR and PR, having a guy on a cheap contract for the next 3 years could come into play.

Plus, Shepherd then becomes a RFA, because he went undrafted. GB would basically control his contract for the next 4 years.

Just say'in.

Excellent point. Given a choice between a higher paid player or a cheaper player who are effectively equal physically and in terms of development, it only makes sense that the lower paid player be retained. So, definitely, Davis is in a "prove it or lose it" mode this year. Stay healthy, be productive, earn a second contract.

Davis attraction has always been his return capabilities.  Im not sure he'd still be on this team without those capabilities.  Apparently, he's made strides as a WR this camp, but until they find somebody to return kicks (Tramon?), Davis is probably on this roster.

Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 10, 2019, 12:00:28 PM
With a second watch of the game, 4 rookie UDFA's made a good showing of themselves. Darius Shepherd, Yosh Nijman, Curtis Bolton and Kabion Ento all are showing the NFL game is not to big for them, I will not be surprised if some of these players are on the first 53 man roster.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: craig on August 11, 2019, 03:32:18 PM
Thanks, RT. 
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on August 11, 2019, 03:55:25 PM

Speed only kills if you can use it. Davis has yet to prove he can be relied on to stay healthy, and he's injured right now. Kumerow is definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis, Green Bay has said as much with their depth chart. He's listed as their number 3 ahead of Allison. It's not a fan favorite thing, he's earned it. https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart

We can get semantical over the 2 or 3 option but he's earned himself a place in this offense and will get significant playing time this year.

Depth chart lists Kumerow as no.2's to Adams, and Allison as no.2 to MVS. In reality I expect Allison to be the no.1 choice as the slot receiver (ie 3rd choice overall). Kumerow is ahead of Davis, Allison is ahead of ESB, but you cannot judge a cutdown by their current positions. For example, a more senior player tends to be rated above a younger one until the younger one pushes ahead, even if, in many cases the younger player is playing better. Now I will admit ESB is not playing better than Kumerow, but ESB IS playing well, is faster, more athletic, has more upside, is cheaper, and is five years younger. That may well mean that LaFleur now thinks of ESB as being ahead of Kumerow when the time comes to cut guys, no matter what the current depth chart says.

In short, Kumerow is not "definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis" (and I said why in my earlier piece). He might be ahead in LaFleur's eyes, he might not, but the only way we really resolve this is to wait for cutdown time. The depth chart after  game 1 of the regular season should give a truer picture of the depth, when enough time has passed for re-evaluation. The snap count through the season should also be a reliable indicator, unless injuries mess everything up.

This isn't about not liking Kumerow (I defended him vigorously on Football's Future Packers site, against someone who thought he shouldn't be on our team after cutdown), it's just about where I think he rates among the Packers WRs. I've already said I see him as a no.6 receiver, but 5th is reasonable as well, 3rd is overvaluing him, I think.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: claymaker on August 12, 2019, 07:52:44 AM

Speed only kills if you can use it. Davis has yet to prove he can be relied on to stay healthy, and he's injured right now. Kumerow is definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis, Green Bay has said as much with their depth chart. He's listed as their number 3 ahead of Allison. It's not a fan favorite thing, he's earned it. https://www.packers.com/team/depth-chart

We can get semantical over the 2 or 3 option but he's earned himself a place in this offense and will get significant playing time this year.

Depth chart lists Kumerow as no.2's to Adams, and Allison as no.2 to MVS. In reality I expect Allison to be the no.1 choice as the slot receiver (ie 3rd choice overall). Kumerow is ahead of Davis, Allison is ahead of ESB, but you cannot judge a cutdown by their current positions. For example, a more senior player tends to be rated above a younger one until the younger one pushes ahead, even if, in many cases the younger player is playing better. Now I will admit ESB is not playing better than Kumerow, but ESB IS playing well, is faster, more athletic, has more upside, is cheaper, and is five years younger. That may well mean that LaFleur now thinks of ESB as being ahead of Kumerow when the time comes to cut guys, no matter what the current depth chart says.

In short, Kumerow is not "definitely ahead of both St. Brown and Davis" (and I said why in my earlier piece). He might be ahead in LaFleur's eyes, he might not, but the only way we really resolve this is to wait for cutdown time. The depth chart after  game 1 of the regular season should give a truer picture of the depth, when enough time has passed for re-evaluation. The snap count through the season should also be a reliable indicator, unless injuries mess everything up.

This isn't about not liking Kumerow (I defended him vigorously on Football's Future Packers site, against someone who thought he shouldn't be on our team after cutdown), it's just about where I think he rates among the Packers WRs. I've already said I see him as a no.6 receiver, but 5th is reasonable as well, 3rd is overvaluing him, I think.

Well, the way it works is Adams is the number 1, MVS the number two, and the number 2 behind the number 1 is basically the runner up for the number 2 spot. You can argue all you want about his place, but the team and quarterback has spoken with their confidence in him by placing him in that spot. It's clearly his spot to lose and nobody has stepped up to challenge him. You can see him as a fifth option and borderline cut, Green Bay obviously disagrees with you because he is clearly "tied" with Allison for the 3rd spot and obviously ahead of St. Brown and Davis.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 12, 2019, 08:21:58 AM
There is a good chance that ESB, Geronimo Allison, Jake Kumerow and Allen Lazard are all battling for 2 roster spots. And I am getting the feeling that Allison and Kumerow might be battling for one spot, I will be somewhat surprised if both make the 53.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 12, 2019, 08:24:00 AM

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I don’t think that’s necessarily the case. #Packers No. 1 offense is running 2-minute as we speak (er, Tweet) and its Davante, G-Mo and MVS out there.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: craig on August 13, 2019, 09:32:04 AM
.....Now I will admit ESB is not playing better than Kumerow, but ESB IS playing well, is faster, more athletic, has more upside, is cheaper, and is five years younger. That may well mean that LaFleur now thinks of ESB as being ahead of Kumerow when the time comes to cut guys, no matter what the current depth chart says. ....

How confident are you that ESB is playing well?  Or that he has more upside? 

I know his 40-time was a little faster, and I'm pretty confident that his straight-line speed is a shade faster, so I'm not questioning that.  And I know he's younger, that's also inarguable.

But I'm wondering if the commonly-assumed upside that tends to be assumed for ESB may be mis-assumed?  Heh heh, every talent-limited 27-year-old was 22 at one point.  :)  Just because a guy is young doesn't mean he'll ever have good NFL-talent. 

I'm not saying ESB doesn't.  Just that I'm not sure he does, and I'm not sure I've heard or seen anything from camp evidencing that he does.  If that makes sense?   To some degree his play last year perhaps evidenced some of the same talent-limits we worry about for Kumerow.  A long, tall guy who didn't seem to be notably quick at getting open?  Not very sudden at change-of-direction?   Is it possible that ESB basically *IS* a slightly-faster version of Kumerow talent-wise, with not really any better ability to get open underneath? 

I hope not, and that he really does have a bunch of talent and a high upside, perhaps for this year once his window of opportunity opens, and if not perhaps for next year and beyond.

From my amateur non-scout recall from last year, ESB impressed me in two ways:  I thought he had really promising hands.  (A really difficult catch in the 49ers game, for example.)  And I thought he looked like a willing and strong blocker, like he might become a huge force as a blocking receiver.  But I'm not sure he impressed me much in terms of getting open, if that makes sense? 

I just haven't heard much about him in camp.  Twitter is talking about all these other guys making noteworthy plays.   Before his injury Davis was always in the tweets, Kumerow, NDSU guy.  But ESB seemingly MIA, and I don't recall any ESB articles about how improved he is, or with Rodgers or coaches talking positively about how much he's improved or anything. 

That may mean nothing, of course.  He's a quiet guy and not a media magnet, so maybe he's got no articles for that reason.  And maybe he's not in the tweets for exactly the issue i'm concerned about, whether he can get open?  Maybe he CAN get open, and as a result is making routine easy catches?  Maybe twitter mostly reports on spectacular difficult catches that come from guys who can't get open and thus are well covered?  But is ESB gets open, Rodgers throws an accurate pass, and ESB makes an ordinary catch, maybe that happens all the time and never gets a twitter buzz?  Beats me! 

But I'm just a little worried that he's behind Allison and Kumerow because he doesn't get open as well as either of them, if that makes sense?   
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 13, 2019, 09:59:31 AM
As is it is most years the WR debate will be a heated one, but I don't think anything has been decided yet for most of the WR's. Yet to be determined.

 
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Gutekunst on his thoughts regarding the #Packers' 53: "I think it's wide open, quite frankly. I know from my end of it, there really hasn't been many decisions made at all."
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 13, 2019, 10:56:11 AM

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Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: dannobanano on August 13, 2019, 01:50:16 PM
They should be keeping players who are "playmakers".

The heck with age, size, speed, etc.

If a guy is making plays he should be on the roster.

The coaches are watching how the players go about conducting themselves in practice and games. How each of them approaches their craft and how they perform should be the only criteria for making the 53.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: RT on August 13, 2019, 02:13:42 PM

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Final practice this morning before Aaron Rodgers and the Packers head to Baltimore. GM Brian Gutekunst says the roster is still “wide open.” He says he and Matt LaFleur aren’t looking for the 53 best players, they’re looking for the 53 players that will make the best team.
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: craig on August 13, 2019, 02:54:26 PM
.......Equanimeous St. Brown with 2 nice snags from Tim Boyle.

Perfect!  A favorable ESB reference, nice!  Just what I've been asking for! 
Title: Re: Preseason 2019 Game 1
Post by: LMG on August 13, 2019, 03:52:37 PM
Maybe Claymaker could start a thread on Preseason 2019 Game 2 vs Baltimore?


Thanks Clay...