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Title: Is Oren Burks done for season?
Post by: dannobanano on August 10, 2019, 03:12:26 PM
Reports coming out Burks tore his pectoral muscle. More tests ordered, but if true he will need surgery and will be done for 2019.

Is he the new Nick Perry?
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: The GM on August 10, 2019, 04:28:16 PM
Reports coming out Burks tore his pectoral muscle. More tests ordered, but if true he will need surgery and will be done for 2019.

Is he the new Nick Perry?

No, Kevin King is the new Nick Perry, and Burks is the new Kevin King. If that makes sense.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: Premontre1969 on August 10, 2019, 05:13:53 PM
Let’s hope that this is just a really bad luck injury and Burks will be back for a long haul. At 8 minutes into the game he’s rushing into the backfield and gets blindsided with a block in the back by Texans tackle, Tytus Howard #71, right into a charging quarterback. The force of impact on Burks twisted body would’ve taken anyone out. That should’ve been a penalty on the Texans. Really bad luck for Burks as well as the Packers team.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: ricky on August 10, 2019, 07:03:21 PM
Perry was hurt for most of three seasons, then suddenly got healthy for one year, got a big contract, then was re-injured. Burks is in his second year, has an unusual injury, and people are ready to write him off? Sounds similar to the feelings on here when Adams was hurt his second year, underperformed, and a lot of people wanted him run out of town on a rail. Or at least cut. Patience, grasshopper. Besides, it's a good thing this happened now, since it gives the team time to find a replacement. Time for the cliched "next man up." One person's bad luck is another person's opportunity.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: RT on August 10, 2019, 09:24:47 PM
Nick Perry really gets such a bum rap from Packers fans when the reality is that he was a very good player for the Packers. He played in 81 games over his 7 seasons, that is over 11.5 games per season and when he was on the field he played a physical and violent brand of football. Football is a violent game and the more physical a player plays the more injuries that will occur.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: Gregg on August 10, 2019, 11:36:46 PM
This hurts since we do not have a lot of proven depth at ILB.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: ricky on August 11, 2019, 07:27:37 AM
This hurts since we do not have a lot of proven depth at ILB.

Burks was "proven depth"?
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: RT on August 11, 2019, 07:59:09 AM
The ILB group will be fine as long as Martinez stays healthy, they will go as he go's. The question here is, doe this injury give Josh Jones new life on this defense? Burks and Jones overlap a bunch in skillset and their rolls in Pettine's defense. Personally don't think Burks loss is that big of a deal. I've yet to see much that equals the 3rd round draft hype for Burks.   
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: Gregg on August 11, 2019, 12:25:00 PM
Ricky:

As far as I know, Burks was scheduled to start.

We now have an undrafted Free Agent taking first team reps.

We also have like a sixth round rookie behind him.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: The GM on August 11, 2019, 01:05:32 PM
Ricky:

As far as I know, Burks was scheduled to start.

We now have an undrafted Free Agent taking first team reps.

We also have like a sixth round rookie behind him.

Its all about performance.  Can Bolton or Summers step up? Im not so sure they havent already.  Burks has tools, but you might see a better performance by one of those other guys.  We'll see how it plays out.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: ricky on August 11, 2019, 01:20:09 PM
Ricky:

As far as I know, Burks was scheduled to start.

We now have an undrafted Free Agent taking first team reps.

We also have like a sixth round rookie behind him.

Its all about performance.  Can Bolton or Summers step up? Im not so sure they havent already.  Burks has tools, but you might see a better performance by one of those other guys.  We'll see how it plays out.

Beat me to it. Draft position is highly overrated. Just a guy is drafted in the first round doesn't mean he's gold. Just like an UDFA could well be a diamond in the rough. Does it matter how you get a guy who can play? Not to me. A recent example from the Packers: they moved up in the draft to snag Spriggs in the second round; they waited until the fourth round to get Bakhtiari.  But back to Burks. The Packers now have three exhibition games to find a replacement, either on the roster or added to the roster.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on August 11, 2019, 03:26:15 PM

Its all about performance.  Can Bolton or Summers step up? I'm not so sure they haven't already.  Burks has tools, but you might see a better performance by one of those other guys.  We'll see how it plays out.
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Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: craig on August 11, 2019, 03:31:19 PM
I'm pretty disappointed, not nearly as "whatever, no problem, who cares" as you guys!  Burks is a smart, hard-working, long-and-fast guy; he's had a year to learn and to 2nd-year-leap; and there was a lot of positive feedback on his camp work.  He was a prime break-out-establish-himself candidate.  So I was really optimistic that he was poised to emerge as a talented legit core-guy in the defense. 

I think Summers plays the Martinez spot, not Burks. 

Bolton, UDFA rookie without a year of familiarizing and without the length and speed.  Greene is really slender for that role.  Hopefully this is a huge opportunity for Jones and he takes it.  But depending too much on an injured-guy increases the risk a lot, I think. 

 
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: Gregg on August 13, 2019, 09:33:01 PM
Craig,

Thanks for that. I kind of liked Burks.  Nice complement to Martinez.

These guys have Summers and Bolton in the Pro Bowl already. 
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on August 13, 2019, 10:21:07 PM
Burks will not need surgery on his chest injury. Looks like he will be back this year. Says he's 'day to day', though I don't think he will be back for a few weeks yet.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: Hands on August 14, 2019, 07:13:57 AM
Saw a comment from the doctor/spokesman on Burks injury. The feeling was it would be week to week or month to month verses day to day. Can't imagine him returning until the later part of the season.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: RT on August 14, 2019, 07:53:37 AM
Craig,

Thanks for that. I kind of liked Burks.  Nice complement to Martinez.

These guys have Summers and Bolton in the Pro Bowl already.

I went back and read each posting twice thinking I must be missing it, but who are 'these guys' that have Summers and Bolton in the Pro Bowl already? No one has even stated that either would be a quality starter no less a Pro Bowl player. Were you possibly in an altered state of mind when posting this? Just trying to make sense of how you come to that conclusion. Help us out here.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: RT on August 14, 2019, 07:57:38 AM
Saw a comment from the doctor/spokesman on Burks injury. The feeling was it would be week to week or month to month verses day to day. Can't imagine him returning until the later part of the season.

Saw that also Hands. Dr. David Chao is a great source for us fans on injuries, love what he does. I post his actual tweet here.


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Great news!
In thought surgery too.
Must be muscle or partial tendon.
"Day-to-day" is very optimistic.
More week-to-week, even month-to-month.
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: craig on August 14, 2019, 09:28:27 AM
....I went back and read each posting twice thinking I must be missing it, but who are 'these guys' that have Summers and Bolton in the Pro Bowl already? No one has even stated that either would be a quality starter no less a Pro Bowl player. Were you possibly in an altered state of mind when posting this? Just trying to make sense of how you come to that conclusion. Help us out here.

I'm not Gregg, and hyperbole is a thing.  But my response was to the sense that a feeling was "O, Burks wasn't a factor last year anyway; Summers and Bolton have some good qualities; Burks has proven nothing; we might be just as good or maybe better with them anyway; if we lose Burks for the season, probably nothing to worry about, no big deal." 

My feeling is that *if* he misses most or all of the season, that it's really disappointing to me.  That I thought he had a chance to be very good and very impactful this season.  Yes, it's possible that he'll be no good even if healthy; and yes it's possible that Bolton will a great find and turn out to be as good or no worse than Burks.  But the chances that Burks could 2nd-year-jump into being a very solid core player, including this year, are real.  And if he's gone, I'm really disappointed about it. 

Hopefully Bolton will step right in and they won't miss a beat.  But to expect a rookie to understand every nuance of the defense is unrealistic. 
Title: Re: Is Oren Burks done for season?
Post by: craig on August 14, 2019, 09:36:24 AM
I am super-thrilled that Burks' injury may not be as serious, and that he may not be gone long-term this season.  Thanks for Dr. Chao's comments, he's smart and knowledgable. 

I think Burks was obviously misleading in "day to day", as if he might be in pads practicing any day this week, or in pads tackling exhibition 3.  I think his "day to day" is more about assessing and evaluating the severity of the injury, and for the doctor to get a clearer understanding of where things stand.  Rather than being able to fully-participate within a few days. 

Chao says "week-to-week, even month-to-month" seems pretty optimistic to me, happy; the phrasing suggests it may literally be within weeks rather than months; that it may well be months plural, but not obviously so.  If he went on IR with 8-week recall, that would be 11 weeks, about 3 months.  That might be reasonable, allow full healing, and have a guy still full go for half a season plus playoffs?  And if it might be "week-to-week", perhaps he won't even need to go 8-week IR and might be ready by the start of October.  (7 weeks away?)

I'm really happy about yesterday's favorable news. 
Title: Re: Oren Burks done for season
Post by: ricky on August 14, 2019, 11:22:51 AM
I'm not Gregg, and hyperbole is a thing.  But my response was to the sense that a feeling was "O, Burks wasn't a factor last year anyway; Summers and Bolton have some good qualities; Burks has proven nothing; we might be just as good or maybe better with them anyway; if we lose Burks for the season, probably nothing to worry about, no big deal." 

My feeling is that *if* he misses most or all of the season, that it's really disappointing to me.  That I thought he had a chance to be very good and very impactful this season.  Yes, it's possible that he'll be no good even if healthy; and yes it's possible that Bolton will a great find and turn out to be as good or no worse than Burks.  But the chances that Burks could 2nd-year-jump into being a very solid core player, including this year, are real.  And if he's gone, I'm really disappointed about it. 

Hopefully Bolton will step right in and they won't miss a beat.  But to expect a rookie to understand every nuance of the defense is unrealistic.

No one is happy that Burks got hurt. But the injury did happen. So we're doing our best to deal with the reality that he may be gone for an extended period. That means we evaluate the replacements, and try to find the silver lining. No one is disrespecting Burks; what we are doing is bowing to the facts: football is a game of attrition. That the injury occurred this early means the team will have more time to adjust, and hopefully get someone else more "up to speed". And lets remember, Burks is not a six or seven year vet; this would have been his second season, one we were all hoping he'd take that proverbial "next step", if not a "leap" in performance on the field. Now, someone else will have a chance to show what they can do in real games.
Title: Re: Is Oren Burks done for season?
Post by: Donzo on August 14, 2019, 05:54:34 PM
Burks tore his pectoral muscle. Will be done for 2019.

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