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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: BREAKING NEWS: Packers Zeroing In On LeFleur
« Last post by #66 on January 15, 2019, 03:45:23 PM »
Good point on the BR stream. Packers hurry and hire Lafleur, before doing second interviews with other candidates, even though Lafleur didnt have any other interviews scheduled.

Why wait for him to blow another team away in an interview if he is your guy?

In what other interview? The point was people weren't banging down his door, no need to be the first to raid the fruit stand. Was hoping they would at least give Fangio a call. They are making a huge bet right now that LaFleur is the next McVay. Let's hope they're right.

 Also, the first call LaFleur got after his interview was from Rodgers. So, maybe it was Rodgers choice after all. I'm curious to see what he does for OC.

And in other news, no one seems interested in MM. If that holds true, I stand by my assumption (and many others have the same thought) that he got the GB job by being in the good ol boys club in the first place.

Mike Clemons' take was that GB saw that the NFL head coaching cupboard was rather bare, that LaFleur was definitely their guy, AND that they didn't even want anyone else to talk to him as they were worried that they would then lose out on him.  Furthermore, they wanted to give him a chance to start assembling his staff immediately rather than get everyone else's sloppy seconds.
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Draft Talk / Re: Options
« Last post by dannobanano on January 15, 2019, 02:51:20 PM »
Free agents:
RT Bobbie Massie (CHI)
S Tyrann Mathieu (HOU)
If they have enough cap room..............
Slot WR Golden Tate (PHI)
TE Jesse James (PITT)

Draft:
OLB
DL
OG
OT
ILB
RB
TE
S
CB
depending on how the board falls
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Draft Talk / Re: Options
« Last post by rock county on January 15, 2019, 01:19:36 PM »
Tight ends are usually a lower priced Free Agent acquisition. 

I wasn't happy with the GB TE's this year.

I wouldn't mind seeing Jared Cook back in a Packer uniform.  Maybe Tyler Eifert?
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
« Last post by craig on January 15, 2019, 12:40:52 PM »
Campen question:  I'm not an o-line expert, but I recall a couple years back some articles about how Campen taught an "outside", "wide" blocking technique.  Not necessarily instinctive or familiar to everybody, so not necessarily great for rookie success; and requiring a certain kind of strength, so maybe not suitable for everybody.  But I think the idea was that the outside blocking made it easier to hold guys and get away with it (the hand placement not being that different); and whereas where with inside blocking guys could use spin moves to get off the block and around the blocker, *if* you could lock an "outside block" on, it was very difficult for a defender to get free or to spin off the block.  One of our posters thought the Campen technique was one of the reasons Spriggs struggled to adapt and succeed. 

Any thoughts from you o-line experts about that?  I'm wondering whether transitioning to a different OL coach might lost some of the value of the Campen technique?  But might also be able to bring out some capacity from guys who weren't quite cut out for that approach?  And maybe better enable a rookie to step in faster?  Maybe have a little more move-the-line power with traditional inside blocking, even if you don't have quite as much lateral control over a defender's movements?  Or might transitioning to a different style really mess everybody up for a while and really hurt?  Or might really help, in that the veterans who know the Campen blocking will still use it when it helps them, and teach it to newer guys where it's well suited, and our guys will end up with optimal access to both approaches? 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
« Last post by whiterook87 on January 15, 2019, 12:09:32 PM »
Packers should get on the horn ASAP and get DeGugliemo in GB. He would be an excellent replacement for Campen. He will be highly sought after.

 
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Stunner: The #Colts are letting OL coach Dave DeGuglielmo go, sources say. That line made tremendous leaps this season. But Frank Reich wants his own guy. DeGuglielmo was the only offensive coach Josh McDaniels had hired. Reich is actually recommending him to other coaches.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Assistant Coach Hirings/Firings
« Last post by Shinesman on January 15, 2019, 06:28:22 AM »
Vikes tagged Kubiak as an "offensive adviser." Competition is getting stiff in the NFC North.
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Draft Talk / Re: 1st round favorites
« Last post by footballdad on January 15, 2019, 02:35:38 AM »
Honestly at #12 I like Devin White. 
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Draft Talk / Re: Options
« Last post by footballdad on January 15, 2019, 02:32:21 AM »
Cap space available and bang for your buck has to be the main consideration. Worst thing that could happen is to go "all in" and hamstring yourself in future years.
In the near future we will be looking at re-signing Kenny Clark and ufa status of Mike Daniels and Blake Martinez.

Free agency:
I would look at finding a starting caliber free safety and right tackle. Those positions would be my main focus. I expect the good pass rushers to get tagged. Could possibly look at guys who have flashed potential at times, like Flowers and Shane Ray.

Draft:
Edge rusher would probably have to be number 1. Allen and Ferrell will both be gone by 12. Sweat will probably be gone by the time we get to New Orleans pick. Polite could be there.

Honestly, I would look at the best player available AT A POSITION OF NEED. If it ends up that we go Thompson, Lindstrom, Ferguson, so be it. As long as they do not waste picks and get good football players, it will help.
We will just have to see how things play out. Rome wasn't built in a day, but a year or two would be nice. I'm optimistic.
Good post NW.
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Draft Talk / Options
« Last post by Noble Warrior on January 14, 2019, 10:12:40 PM »
First off, lets look at the Packers most glaring needs:

A starting free safety
shoring up the offensive line
outside pass rush
inside pass rush

What is available in free agency:

safeties:

1. Earl Thomas

2. Tyrann Mathieu

3. Lamarcus Joyner

4. Landon Collins

Linebackers:

1. Jadeveon Clowney

2. Dee Ford

3. C.J. Mosley

4. Terrell Suggs

Offensive Linemen

1. Donovan Smith

2. Trent Brown

3. Matt Paradis

4. Daryl Williams

5. Rodger Saffold

Who do the Packers target? In free agency, you're getting a somewhat known commodity. You just have to figure out how well they fit the system your team is running.

Now lets take a look at the draft:

Safety

Deionte Thompson
Lukas Denis
Johnathan Abram

Inside Linebackers

Devin White
Mack Wilson
Te'von Coney

Outside Linebackers

Josh Allen
Montez Sweat
Jachai Polite
Brian Burns
Oshane Ximines

Hybrid DE / OLB

Clelin Ferrell
Rashan Gary
Zach Allen
Jaylon Ferguson
Chase Winovich

Offensive Tackles

Jonah Williams
Greg Little
Jawaan Taylor
Dalton Risner
David Edwards
Andre Dillard
Yodny Cajuste
Kaleb McGary

Offensive Guards

Cody Ford
Michael Deiter
Chris Lindstrom

So, where is the value in this draft? What combination of free agency / draft will help the Packers the most?

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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: A franchise in shambles...
« Last post by #66 on January 14, 2019, 04:44:26 PM »
...
First, the other minds in the room wanted him....

66, I've never heard that before.  Did you read this, or get that from some inside 3rd hand sources? 

I'm interested, because I've always wondered how much Gute and TT were in sync on things.  I've usually assumed that with Gute being TT's primary #1 advisor, that Gute probably deserves a lot of blame for a lot of the unsuccessful selections that the Packers made in the years prior to Gute's hiring.  So, I've kinda wondered whether Gute doesn't deserve responsibility for a lot of the picks that have failed, and that we shouldn't expect the drafting to improve a whole lot?  But *IF* TT was making picks that differed from what the "other minds in the room" actually wanted, then Gute might be less to blame for some of the dud picks. 

Of course, he can't pass-the blame much on Josh Jackson, Burks, Moore, or Cole Madison in rounds 2-3-4-5 this year, none of which have looked too hot this rookie season....

Bill Michaels has spoken about it many times.  I think that Mike Clemons was the one that initially reported it but I could be completely wrong on that.  Michaels has brought it up numerous times.  Apparently, the trade back was a stunner for the majority of the room.  They had no idea that it was going to happen and they did not support it.  The scouts wanted TJ.
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