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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: GB vs SF Flex?
« Last post by ricky on November 12, 2019, 04:35:58 PM »
So far, the Packers have not played well at all under lights. Hopefully this time, they'll have learned from the Chargers debacle, get to the coast a few days early so the team can adjust, and take care of business. This is good news because the game will be available nationally, though watching the Packers lay an egg on the field is not exactly quality viewing.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / NFL Moves Packer-Niners to Sunday Night
« Last post by The GM on November 12, 2019, 03:40:07 PM »
And there it is....  Packers-SF flexed to Sunday Night.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by dannobanano on November 12, 2019, 01:05:43 PM »
A high school or college coach goes for the TD with 2 seconds on the clock while and NFL coach realizes that this is the NFL and all points matter.   Did we not learn from the Philly game?

Maybe. And actually, I was thinking about the Philly game while posting. They'd get a few yards from the goal line, and then stop everything and throw passes. Instead they settled for FG's. They were partially forced to do this because they had lost Williams early in the game on a cheap shot by Philly. Being aggressive is not always bad.

Just read this at CheeseheadTV. And I agree with the author. Sometimes you have to go against the odds and let your team know you believe in them. Not something stupid, but a gut check play. It didn't work, but the team, as the author noted, got the idea their coach believes in them. This could pay off big time if the Packers have a play like this to win a game, rather than chancing OT.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-a-lost-gamble-was-a-win-112

I think the problem was the play call and not the decision to go for it. How many times have we seen this play in the last 5 years? 4th and goal from the 1, 4th and 1 in enemy territory, 3rd and inches, it's always the heavy set with the one receiver butted up near the OL as well. All 11 players within a couple yards of the ball on the snap. The defense has won this play I would have to guess about 70% +. The packers line isnt road graders, that formation doesnt work for us. Better off running it out of a 3 or 4 receiver set. They have to respect Rodgers ability to throw, it spreads them thin and usually takes a LB off the field as well. Not sure why the staff hasn't noticed how unsuccessful we are on that play.


https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/11/12/packers-matt-lafleur-playcall-final-play-panthers-first-half/

[“Just going back to that, I don’t like the playcall,” LaFleur said Monday. “We didn’t practice it for that situation. I put that on my shoulders. I have to do a better job of making sure that we’re well prepared for whatever they may show, and I don’t think I did a good enough job in that regard. Still would go for it again, if that opportunity presented itself.”]

Also...………..
[(Gerald) McCoy said after Sunday’s game that he picked up on a few pre-snap keys and knew when to jump the snap. That advantage allowed him to blow past left tackle David Bakhtiari and stuff Williams just as he was getting the football on an inside run.]

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Archive - 2019 Official Game Day Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Panthers v Packers Game Day Thread
« Last post by RT on November 12, 2019, 12:47:39 PM »
Is the offensive line really that unstable because I thought I saw a Rogers off on a few throws and missing a few open targets during this game ...I'm going to watch it again just wondering what you folks.

The vast majority of NFL fans just are not equipped to evaluate offensive line play. Most just shouldn't even try.


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The Packers OL created 3.6 yards before contact per rush on Sunday and Aaron Rodgers was pressured on a season-low four dropbacks.

That unit continues to be one of the league’s truly dominant position groups this season.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by Shinesman on November 12, 2019, 12:14:51 PM »
A high school or college coach goes for the TD with 2 seconds on the clock while and NFL coach realizes that this is the NFL and all points matter.   Did we not learn from the Philly game?

Maybe. And actually, I was thinking about the Philly game while posting. They'd get a few yards from the goal line, and then stop everything and throw passes. Instead they settled for FG's. They were partially forced to do this because they had lost Williams early in the game on a cheap shot by Philly. Being aggressive is not always bad.

Just read this at CheeseheadTV. And I agree with the author. Sometimes you have to go against the odds and let your team know you believe in them. Not something stupid, but a gut check play. It didn't work, but the team, as the author noted, got the idea their coach believes in them. This could pay off big time if the Packers have a play like this to win a game, rather than chancing OT.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-a-lost-gamble-was-a-win-112

I think the problem was the play call and not the decision to go for it. How many times have we seen this play in the last 5 years? 4th and goal from the 1, 4th and 1 in enemy territory, 3rd and inches, it's always the heavy set with the one receiver butted up near the OL as well. All 11 players within a couple yards of the ball on the snap. The defense has won this play I would have to guess about 70% +. The packers line isnt road graders, that formation doesnt work for us. Better off running it out of a 3 or 4 receiver set. They have to respect Rodgers ability to throw, it spreads them thin and usually takes a LB off the field as well. Not sure why the staff hasn't noticed how unsuccessful we are on that play.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / GB vs SF Flex?
« Last post by The GM on November 12, 2019, 11:54:08 AM »
Dont be surprised if the NFL flexes GB-SF to the night game.  It will have to be in the next day or so if they do.  IIRC its supposed to be 2 week notice?  We'll see.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by ricky on November 12, 2019, 10:31:43 AM »
A high school or college coach goes for the TD with 2 seconds on the clock while and NFL coach realizes that this is the NFL and all points matter.   Did we not learn from the Philly game?

Maybe. And actually, I was thinking about the Philly game while posting. They'd get a few yards from the goal line, and then stop everything and throw passes. Instead they settled for FG's. They were partially forced to do this because they had lost Williams early in the game on a cheap shot by Philly. Being aggressive is not always bad.

Just read this at CheeseheadTV. And I agree with the author. Sometimes you have to go against the odds and let your team know you believe in them. Not something stupid, but a gut check play. It didn't work, but the team, as the author noted, got the idea their coach believes in them. This could pay off big time if the Packers have a play like this to win a game, rather than chancing OT.

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/corys-corner-a-lost-gamble-was-a-win-112
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Zeke Bratkowski RIP.
« Last post by Bignutz on November 12, 2019, 07:04:38 AM »
I know it ages me but my mother actually babysat him back in Danville Ill.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by dannobanano on November 11, 2019, 07:29:19 PM »
I don't have the figures but it looked to me like there were more players in the box more often than with the Chargers, and that helped keep McCaffrey as quiet as you could reasonably expect. Maybe as a consequence of that Kenny Clark had a much better game this week. I also thinkj the Packers were glad to see Ibraheim Campbell back - he played 43 snaps (of a maximum of 73 on defense). All the starting O linemen and Rodgers played all the offensive snaps (68).

Valdes-Scantling only played 11 snaps, and while Allison played 42, he only had 3 catches for 6 yds. It IS starting to look like a WR early in the 2020 draft is more likely than it was at the start of the season. The Packers do seem to need a no.2. Receivers on the up are Lazard (30 snaps) and Kumerow (23).

The trouble the Packers had (again) in covering those TE crossing routes, may mean a 2020 draft dip into either the pure ILB market or the hybrid S/ILB.

Gery isn't getting a ton of snaps (16 this week), compared say, to Fackrell's 29. Fackrell has turned into a much better player than I and many others envisaged.




The WR that I mentioned a while back, and am now seeing linked to the Packers in early mocks, is Laviska Shenault, Jr (Colorado). He shows up on most prospect lists as the 2nd best WR in the draft. He's had an off year in 2019, but not his fault. Shoddy QB play at Colorado.
Gute will likely have to use his 1st round pick on Shenault if he wants him, but he still might not make it to when the Packers picks. They compare Shenault to JuJu Smith-Schuster, but he reminds me more of Sterling Sharpe.
Lazard and Kumerow are nice stories, and I like them both. But they are #3 and #4 type WR's. Packers need a true #2 to run alongside Tae Adams.

At ILB, I'm in favor of both a FA and a draft pick. Let's remake this position group.

I'd like to see Gute go back to the Bear's well one more time and sign Nick Kwiatkoski to replace Martinez. I've watched him in several games where he's played, and the kid impresses me way more than Martinez ever has. Martinez can take a payday in FA from somewhere else.
Then in the draft I'd like to see Gute take Paddy Fisher (Northwestern)

At TE? My guess?
They may end up signing another TE in free agency. But it won't be for Jimmy G money. Lot's of names, but they need a better "fit" for this offense than what they have on the roster now. Examples could be Austin Hooper, or Nick Vannett (don't laugh...…..the former Packer has played nearly 50% of the snaps in PITT this year and they use their TE's)



What I learned?

I learned that this team has far and away exceeded any preseason expectations that I, or most anyone else, had for them.

8-2 is truly a "Hoot", and it's been fun even though it's also cause ulcers.

But, I'm not going to pretend that this team is a contender to go all the way. Not this year, anyway. They still have way way too many holes to fix for all 3 phases of the game, and it's going to take (at least) one more draft/FA before the talent level of this team is good enough to take them deep in the playoff's.

Several years ago I might have said that AR can carry this team that far, but father time is catching up to him and even though he's still one of the better QB's in the league, he's not the same AR anymore. That's why the rest of the team talent needs to get better.

If Gute makes the right moves, maybe 2020 they have a chance. But maybe an even better chance in 2021.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by ricky on November 11, 2019, 03:44:22 PM »
I thought I saw Gary pull up lame during the game. No comment from the network, but if he shows up on the injury report, that could be the reason he wasn't in the game more.
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