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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The TIE
« Last post by RT on September 20, 2018, 11:10:02 AM »
Personally I think Montgomery is a natural and gifted runner of the football, BUT I also think that he is not crazy about the game of football. Can't help but notice that he will take himself out of the game at every chance possible. This is not an attempt to attack him as a person, he seems to be a quality individual of high intelligence that has many things in life that are more important then football is all. This is the last year of his rookie contract and would not be surprised if it was his last year of playing. If it is the case, I hope he can go out with a Super Bowl ring.

Not sure I'm tracking here? 
1.  Is this based on politics or social media insights and agendas or stuff?  (I don't facebook or twitter, so I have no idea what you might know about Ty from twitter that I don't....)  I'm sincerely asking? 

2.  Or just based on what we see if we watch the games?  I know he's had a lot of injuries, so perhaps the perception is that "he will take himself out of the game at every chance possible". 

3.  If just based on games, I don't actually agree with that perception.  Yes, I know he's come out of games a lot.  But I'm not sure the implication follows that he's not really NFL-tough and doesn't play with hurts and dings the way guys who really love the game routinely do.  My reasoning:
a.  As a rookie, he got a really bad high-ankle injury.  The doctors eventually concluded that it definitely needed surgery.  But before the surgery, TM kept trying to tough it out and to practice and run on it.  I think he was trying to be too tough, not wimping out that season, perhaps to his detriment.  (Cartillege damage surgery.)
b.  Year 2, missed just one game, after abdominal/kidney injury, and internal-bleeding blood-in-urine.  Perhaps Lombardi's tough heroes would have never admitted or reported internal bleeding and blood-in-urine.  But I don't have any problem with a player reporting stuff like that.  After converting to RB, my amateur perspective is that he ran VERY hard, and did not have a habit of going down easily.  He may have run too straight for his own good, but I think he took a terrible pounding trying to pound out tough yards.  I didn't see any indication of "lacks commitment" or "avoids pounding" or anything. 
c.  Last year, he had a badly sprained wrist early, but toughed it out and played through for two months.  Again, he probably fought through it too long.  The wrist injury was so bad that he eventually had wrist surgery.  I suspect blocking massive NFL blitzers who are much bigger and heavier than you, and doing so with a sprained wrist, is very painful, and is not very great for wrist-healing.  But he played through it for a couple of months, and probably aggravated it worse in the process, before the surgery.  I'd not necessarily conclude that a guy "doesn't like football" because his wrist was so bad that it needed surgery; or when he played through that for two months. 
He also had broken ribs, plural, multiple breaks.... and then missed only one game as a result!  I've cracked a couple of ribs, and can't even imagine how a man could play NFL football only two games later.  That seems crazy idiotic tough to me....  Then his ribs got smashed up again

So it seems to me that he's had a terrible run of injuries; bad ankle needing surgery, bad wrist needing surgery, and broken ribs.  He's toughed it out and tried to do a lot of practicing and playing despite those injuries and through those injuries.  (Probably to the exacerbation of some of them.) 

Perhaps that's all just grueling determination and he hates every minute of it,, beats me.  But either way, I think I admire the man.  And if he can be average an extra couple of yards-per-carry compared to williams, and being a better check-down playmaker as well, I'm all for getting the guy some snaps, even after Jones returns. 

Last, I also think that injuries can come and go for runners.  *IF* his ankles are sound now, and *IF* his wrists are sound, and *if* he's not playing with broken ribs, he may be a much more effective pass-blocker and a more creative playmaker as both ball-carrier and receiver.  HOpe he has a very productive year, and makes himself very worthy of being offered a good solid contract.

I think you have blurred playing hurt with love of playing.

My comments are nothing more than gut feeling and as I earlier stated, not an attack on him in any way. Just make a mental note and watch how often he ask to come out of the game, it is something that he has done regularly since becoming a RB. Most RB's love contact, but each time Montgomery is involved in a hard tackle he is asking to come out of the game. If he has back to back runs, he is asking out of the game. In the Vikings game he run back to back at the end of the 1st quarter and ask to come out (and did).

Players like AP thrive on contact, can't get enough, want more and want to dishout more. Williams for GB is like that, as is most good RB's. It just doesn't seem to be Montgomery's cup of tea is all, which is perfectly fine. Still believe he is a gifted runner, just not in love with playing the game. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Washington Game Day Thread
« Last post by craig on September 20, 2018, 10:51:42 AM »
One thing that wasn't talked about much, was the quality of protection Montgomery and Williams gave to AR. It wasn't long ago that RBs couldn't do a decent job protecting the QB. Now, Mongomery has improved at it and Williams is looking very good. They both know this is key to seeing the field more, and will get plenty of snaps, even after Jones comes back....

Yes, excellent points.  Hopefully Jones will block well and it won't be a separator. 

But the Packers are going nowhere without Rodgers and a high-end passing-game.  With Rodgers a relatively lame statue in the pocket, teams will have the luxury of rushing him hard.  MM will be reluctant to compromise much on pass-blocking.  Will be interesting to see how much, if any, playing time Jones gets. 

It's always a case of staff-evaluations, of course.  But I suspect the blocking is higher priority to MM than the running.  (Think we saw this on Sunday; Ty averaged over 6 ypc, and actually blocked well.  Williams averaged only 3.6 but got double the snaps.) 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Washington Game Day Thread
« Last post by RT on September 20, 2018, 10:13:29 AM »
Not sure how much craving Luck did (21-31 for 179 yards and 2 INT's, QB rating of 77.2), didn't see the game, but that is a fair defensive effort numbers wise on any given sunday. As I said I did not watch the game and maybe Luck made all the clutch plays when his team needed him to, but on the surface his numbers were not great.

Listening to Gruden talk to the Packers media today and it sounded like he is expecting to see a good amount of Aaron Jones on sunday.

OK, carving might have a been a bit of an over-statement. But McGinn had these two tidbits...........
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"The Redskins (1-1) permitted Andrew Luck to drive the Colts 75 yards in 11 plays for an opening touchdown. It set the tone for a sluggish performance"
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"Andrew Luck, who is still feeling his way back, played well last week"
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Hopefully by the end of the game on sunday Rodgers has done enough craving that we all think we are at Thanksgiving dinner. With the DL adding a large helping of stuffing of course. :)
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Rant and Vent / Re: Offensive line help
« Last post by RT on September 20, 2018, 10:09:10 AM »
I don't believe that the Packers are even a little concerned about the depth on the OL. Barring a rash of injuries they are fine as they are now.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: The OFFICIAL Packers v Washington Game Day Thread
« Last post by OneTwoSixFive on September 20, 2018, 06:23:08 AM »

My goodness, I forgot they get Aaron Jones back this week. Also, just saw this from CheeseheadTV, and liked the optimiism:

https://cheeseheadtv.com/blog/the-packers-offense-is-primed-to-burst-open-237

One thing that wasn't talked about much, was the quality of protection Montgomery and Williams gave to AR. It wasn't long ago that RBs couldn't do a decent job protecting the QB. Now, Mongomery has improved at it and Williams is looking very good. They both know this is key to seeing the field more, and will get plenty of snaps, even after Jones comes back.

Aaron Jones has moves like Jagger, but expect that backfield to be more like Cerberus, a three headed hound from Hell.
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Rant and Vent / Re: Offensive line help
« Last post by LMG on September 19, 2018, 07:58:09 PM »
Welcome to the PC Forums Premontre1969.


Premontre1964 here.
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Rant and Vent / Re: Offensive line help
« Last post by Premontre1969 on September 19, 2018, 06:55:47 PM »
While the problem seems clear I can only hope that our scouting dept has someonein mind.
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Rant and Vent / Re: Offensive line help
« Last post by ricky on September 19, 2018, 06:38:49 PM »
If AR gets good pass protection we will dominate. Although Spriggs may be a viable backup he is clearly not contending for a starting position. I’d love to see a trade for a journeyman offensive lineman who would be a contender to start. We need a talent infusion to enhance and ensure a formidible offensive line!

You mean like Jahri Evans? Seriously, who would you suggest?
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Rant and Vent / Offensive line help
« Last post by Premontre1969 on September 19, 2018, 05:28:06 PM »
If AR gets good pass protection we will dominate. Although Spriggs may be a viable backup he is clearly not contending for a starting position. I’d love to see a trade for a journeyman offensive lineman who would be a contender to start. We need a talent infusion to enhance and ensure a formidible offensive line!
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NFL Talk / Re: Josh Gordon
« Last post by ricky on September 19, 2018, 05:25:48 PM »
Christina Lockhart wants $6,700 per month.

To put this into perspective, Parkland school cop Scot Peterson gets $8,702 a month in retirement for refusing to enter the building while there was sounds of gunfire.

 ??? I don't understand the point you're trying to make. Please elaborate.
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