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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Zeke Bratkowski RIP.
« Last post by The GM on November 11, 2019, 01:27:20 PM »
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I sat behind him a few times in church when he was a QB coach for the Packers.  He would go to church on gamedays in Green Bay on Sunday morning.  I often though the guy was cutting it kinda close timewise for a coach, getting out of there and over to the stadium, and doing whatever pregame stuff they did back then, but he always made it.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by OneTwoSixFive on November 11, 2019, 12:26:39 PM »
I don't have the figures but it looked to me like there were more players in the box more often than with the Chargers, and that helped keep McCaffrey as quiet as you could reasonably expect. Maybe as a consequence of that Kenny Clark had a much better game this week. I also thinkj the Packers were glad to see Ibraheim Campbell back - he played 43 snaps (of a maximum of 73 on defense). All the starting O linemen and Rodgers played all the offensive snaps (68).

Valdes-Scantling only played 11 snaps, and while Allison played 42, he only had 3 catches for 6 yds. It IS starting to look like a WR early in the 2020 draft is more likely than it was at the start of the season. The Packers do seem to need a no.2. Receivers on the up are Lazard (30 snaps) and Kumerow (23).

The trouble the Packers had (again) in covering those TE crossing routes, may mean a 2020 draft dip into either the pure ILB market or the hybrid S/ILB.

Gery isn't getting a ton of snaps (16 this week), compared say, to Fackrell's 29. Fackrell has turned into a much better player than I and many others envisaged.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by craig on November 11, 2019, 12:04:40 PM »
Good points.  Taking that delay-of-game penalty in the 4th, that was really bad.  And I agree, I think defenders are pretty good at counting down, and if it does get to zero, they've got that clock ticking in their brains. 

I'm not that opposed to the deep throws.  Sometimes there doesn't seem to be a shorter throw open.  Big plays are hugely valuable, and we've had lots of them, including Adams yesterday.  A problem is in the execution.  Rodgers isn't that accurate with them, I don't think.  On the MVS ball, Rodgers underthrew it kinda badly, right? 

Plus, MVS still could have gotten it, *IF* he'd gone after it.  Bu the didn't go after it, he was just waiting to body-catch it, it seemed, rather than reaching out and going after it. 

The Lazard deep ball, again he was open, if Rodgers had thrown it sooner or deeper, huge play, but Lazard had to just stop and wait for the late underthrown ball.  Kinda similar on the amazing Adams catch.  If Rodgers hadn't underthrown it so much, Adams could have made a nice normal catch.  He had a good step on his guy.  But as always seems to happen with Rodgers deep balls, the receivers who are a little open always seem to need to stop and wait for the ball, during which time the defenders alway catch up and compete.  Rodgers just doesn't place those deep balls very well very often. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by ricky on November 11, 2019, 11:35:43 AM »
Yes I see why he likes running the clock down, I'd just like to see them mix it up get in more series were they have a quick tempo to the game.
Plus every game they seem use up time outs because they run out of time or get called for delay of game. And its funny, Rodgers is drawing his own team off sides and not the opponent. I like the big pass play just not on a critical third down, lets just keep moving the chains and take the higher percentage shorter throws. It seems like he gets frustrated sometimes and goes for the big play.   

Excellent post. Agree on all points.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by ChicagoPackerFan on November 11, 2019, 10:59:27 AM »
Rodgers was frustrating to watch this game same old bad tendencies, throwing too many low percentage deep throws and letting the damn clock wind down to one second on virtually every play. 

It drives me crazy watching the clock click down... 5, 4 ,3 ,2, 1 , .5 second and snap the ball. Plus the defense knows when the ball is going to be snapped.

Only if they're watching the clock. This also gives Rodgers time to assess the defense, make adjustments, and generally be the field coach. What bothers me more is he always seems to get the snap after shouting "Three, Nineteen". Maybe a hut or two afterward, perhaps to catch the defense offside for a free play, or maybe just habit at this point. But, yeah, the low percentage long throws are a problem. The thing is, the throws are generally close enough so the receiver does have a chance. Catch the ball, even if it's a difficult grab because a defender is really close, and you've got a big play.

Yes I see why he likes running the clock down, I'd just like to see them mix it up get in more series were they have a quick tempo to the game.
Plus every game they seem use up time outs because they run out of time or get called for delay of game. And its funny, Rodgers is drawing his own team off sides and not the opponent. I like the big pass play just not on a critical third down, lets just keep moving the chains and take the higher percentage shorter throws. It seems like he gets frustrated sometimes and goes for the big play.   
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by craig on November 11, 2019, 10:28:21 AM »
Charmed again.  Yesterday was another case where the Packers were sufficiently competitive to win, with benefit of a 2-turnover differential.   

Another game where we punted more than did the opposition, but we still won. 
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by packlaw on November 11, 2019, 10:07:50 AM »
I learned that this team has some luck - it received some payback for the penalties last year of roughing the passer-by Mathews.  It rose to the occasion on the final play, but should never have been in that position in the first place.  Ergo, field goal at the end of the half, better rush defense, better coverage over the middle.  The defense still cannot contain the run and still cannot cover a tight end or the middle of the field.  Too much man to man and not enough cover two?  Bend and don't break will not cut it against playoff-bound teams.  San Francisco will be litmus test on how we will fare in the playoffs.  The team needs the bye and a restructuring of the defense for the final push.   
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Return Game
« Last post by The GM on November 11, 2019, 09:48:12 AM »
I really want to see what Tremon Smith can do.  He got his bell rung making a tackle yesterday, but like Davis he runs a 4.3 and averaged 26.8 per kick return with KC. Hes been up and down on the PS.  I think he has legit KR talent, he just seems to hit roadblocks with the roster or injuries.  Id really like for him to get a good healthy shot and see what he can do.
If there is a injury the Packers need to fill, Smith may be the first to go.  Life in the NFL.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: What we learned from the Panthers
« Last post by ricky on November 11, 2019, 09:28:34 AM »
Rodgers was frustrating to watch this game same old bad tendencies, throwing too many low percentage deep throws and letting the damn clock wind down to one second on virtually every play. 

It drives me crazy watching the clock click down... 5, 4 ,3 ,2, 1 , .5 second and snap the ball. Plus the defense knows when the ball is going to be snapped.

Only if they're watching the clock. This also gives Rodgers time to assess the defense, make adjustments, and generally be the field coach. What bothers me more is he always seems to get the snap after shouting "Three, Nineteen". Maybe a hut or two afterward, perhaps to catch the defense offside for a free play, or maybe just habit at this point. But, yeah, the low percentage long throws are a problem. The thing is, the throws are generally close enough so the receiver does have a chance. Catch the ball, even if it's a difficult grab because a defender is really close, and you've got a big play. 
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