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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Guesses at the 53 man roster
« Last post by RT on May 16, 2018, 05:44:32 PM »
Just a reminder about a team building their 53 man roster. So often fans think the roster is X number of players at each given position and that will add-up to 53, but that is not the process. Each position has a mimimum and then everyone else go's into the extra pool competing for the remainder of openings.

My best guess at minimums would be,

QB -2
RB -3
FB/TE -3
WR -5
OL -7

DL -5
ILB -3
OLB -4
CB -5
S -4

ST -3

That is only 41 players needed for all position minimums. I may well be off a player in a position or two, but the total still comes in at the low 40's. This is why some years they have 8 OL and the next year they carry 11 OL, or 7 WR one year and 5 WR the next year. This building process allows for a team to keep as close as possible the best 53 players from the 90 man roster. My point is to not get locked into X number of players at a position because that is how many were at that position in years past. Just like the draft process and drafting the BPA, this process allows a team to keep the BPA on their 53 man roster.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Guesses at the 53 man roster
« Last post by RT on May 16, 2018, 05:10:17 PM »
This is a list of the 13 players that the Packers had in for a 30 visit that didn't get drafted and where they ended up.

T Dejon Allen, Hawaii - Signed with the Bears

QB Tim Boyle, Eastern Kentucky - Signed with the Packers, 6K signing bonus.

OL Gerhard de Beer, Arizona - Signed with the Bills

LB Garret Dooley, Wisconsin - Signed with the Vikings, 41K guaranteed.

C/G Nico Falah, USC - Signed with the Titans

CB Mike Ford, Southeast Missouri State - Signed with the Lions, 20K guaranteed.

S Trayvon Henderson, Hawaii - Signed with the Bangals

WR Keith Kirkwood, Temple - Signed with the Siants, 42K guaranteed.

OLB Mike Love, South Florida - Signed with the Bills

FB Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin - Signed with the Cardinals

DL Mike Ramsay, Duke - Signed with the Titans

DL Conor Sheehy, Wisconsin - Signed with the Packers, 6K signing bonus.

TE Deon Yelder, Western Kentucky - Signed with the Saints, 90K guaranteed.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Guesses at the 53 man roster
« Last post by dannobanano on May 16, 2018, 01:16:16 PM »
Interesting info from Demovsky on UDFA's signing bonus money.

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/44771/follow-the-money-to-find-gems-of-packers-undrafted-rookie-class

I copied this from the draft UDFA thread.  I found this really interesting.  Demovsky notes that there has been some correlation between UDFA signing bonus and the likelihood of making the PS, and eventually the roster; although not always a very strong correlation. 

RobD mentions that some of the "made it" guys from last couple of drafts were top-bonus $5K guys.  But this year, there are five $6K guys and another four $5K guys. 

Q:  Is there a CBA cap as to how large the bonuses can be, and did that get bumped up?  Or is their no cap whatsoever, and teams can bonus whatever they like? 

I ask that, because with a salary cap of $177.2M it seems like the $0.060M spent on the whole UDFA is like a drop in the bucket.   MM always talks about the "63-man roster", and always talks about how many UDFA get to 53-man roster.  Between UDFA who make the original 53, and those who make it during course of year or during ensuring years by promotion from PS, I'd think maximizing the quality of the UDFA would be non-trivial.  Are they losing guys because we're sticking at $5K, and a $7K offer might get better prospects?  If the Packers just "went crazy" and offered $10K bonuses to a dozen guys, might you build a better practice squad? 

I guess I'm just kinda curious why those signing bonuses are so low.   In baseball, typically 20 guys get bonuses of $50K or more, and far fewer guys ever make the majors than in football with the much bigger roster and the much high injury-attrition rate. 

I'd also think that with all of the scouting, it would be kind of a nice reward to the scouting staff to actually pay a little extra and sign the guys they actually want.  Let the practice squad be populated by the guys the scouts like best, rather than being largely populated by guys who pick your $5K over three other teams offering the same $5K. 

But, maybe within the league there is kind of an understanding about limiting UDFA bonuses. 

I just found it interesting that in a league such big salaries, that the UDFA bonuses are so low.
2nd, that Gute gave out a bunch of $6K's, when they'd never gone above $5K before.  Is that a league-wide "6K-is-now-OK" agreement?  Or is Gute pushing the envelope a little bit?

Good questions craig.

First, let it be known that the undrafted rookie reservation amount for 2018 is $103,856. That number is the maximum amount of signing bonuses teams are allowed to give to undrafted free agents in 2018 and is a fixed percentage of the total Rookie Compensation Pool for 2018.

One way that teams can work the system a little bit is to offer to guarantee a portion of a players rookie salary, but now if that player doesn't make the team it becomes dead money against a teams cap. In the past some teams that were light on draft picks have given some eyepopping guarantees thinking that the player had a increased chance to make the roster. (Last year the Patriots gave Harvey Langi 90K guaranteed.)


The whole UDFA process really is a sales job by each team that they will give that player the best chance to make a roster and have a career in the NFL. Players often pass on the highest bonus to try and land in the best place to make a roster. As for the bonuses, different teams take different appoaches to trying to land individual players. The Packers have always been on the low end of bonus money paid per player, but sold the idea of a better opportunity. Which I agree with. The first time you pay a large bonus you have opened pandora's box and every agent from that day forward will be endlessly trying for a bump and the process is ground to a halt. Remember the window is very small timewise for these teams to close the deal.

I understand the thought process that if you spend more, you than with get a better UDFA, but spending more in most cases just means more dead money on the books. Their is a reason player X wasn't drafted in the first place. With the Packers track record, I would say they have the process down fairly well.

One more thing to keep in mind is this process is in full action on the third day of the draft and teams are in contact with players trying to gage the chances of signing them post-draft. In the 7th round teams are often taking a player over another because they know they will not be able to land them as an UDFA. I would guess that very well may be the cases of why the Packers selected both Hunter Bradley and Kendall Donnerson with their late 7th round picks.

That's absolutely correct RT.

New Orleans is a prime example of the guaranteed portion of contract to an UDFA this year.

The Packers were interested in TE Deon Yelder, to the point of bringing him in for an Official-30 visit. He was likely a top priority UDFA.

New Orleans, after losing out on Jimmy Graham to the Packers, also had intentions to try and land Yelder and to do so, they guaranteed him $90,000 to sign with them over other teams (and I'll bet it was tit-for-tat with regard to Green Bay).

https://whodatdish.com/2018/04/29/saints-add-undrafted-rookie-free-agents/

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The list starts with a need that the Saints did not address in seven rounds of the NFL Draft. That being tight end. The team is reportedly bringing in Western Kentucky’s Deon Yelder. According to Tom Peliserro via Twitter, the Saints will be paying Yelder $90,000. Quite a hefty sum for an undrafted rookie. The 6-foot-4, 255-pound Yelder is considered a developmental prospect and will most likely spend at least a year on the practice squad. But he Saints obviously like what he has in potential.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Guesses at the 53 man roster
« Last post by RT on May 16, 2018, 12:30:27 PM »
Interesting info from Demovsky on UDFA's signing bonus money.

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/44771/follow-the-money-to-find-gems-of-packers-undrafted-rookie-class

I copied this from the draft UDFA thread.  I found this really interesting.  Demovsky notes that there has been some correlation between UDFA signing bonus and the likelihood of making the PS, and eventually the roster; although not always a very strong correlation. 

RobD mentions that some of the "made it" guys from last couple of drafts were top-bonus $5K guys.  But this year, there are five $6K guys and another four $5K guys. 

Q:  Is there a CBA cap as to how large the bonuses can be, and did that get bumped up?  Or is their no cap whatsoever, and teams can bonus whatever they like? 

I ask that, because with a salary cap of $177.2M it seems like the $0.060M spent on the whole UDFA is like a drop in the bucket.   MM always talks about the "63-man roster", and always talks about how many UDFA get to 53-man roster.  Between UDFA who make the original 53, and those who make it during course of year or during ensuring years by promotion from PS, I'd think maximizing the quality of the UDFA would be non-trivial.  Are they losing guys because we're sticking at $5K, and a $7K offer might get better prospects?  If the Packers just "went crazy" and offered $10K bonuses to a dozen guys, might you build a better practice squad? 

I guess I'm just kinda curious why those signing bonuses are so low.   In baseball, typically 20 guys get bonuses of $50K or more, and far fewer guys ever make the majors than in football with the much bigger roster and the much high injury-attrition rate. 

I'd also think that with all of the scouting, it would be kind of a nice reward to the scouting staff to actually pay a little extra and sign the guys they actually want.  Let the practice squad be populated by the guys the scouts like best, rather than being largely populated by guys who pick your $5K over three other teams offering the same $5K. 

But, maybe within the league there is kind of an understanding about limiting UDFA bonuses. 

I just found it interesting that in a league such big salaries, that the UDFA bonuses are so low.
2nd, that Gute gave out a bunch of $6K's, when they'd never gone above $5K before.  Is that a league-wide "6K-is-now-OK" agreement?  Or is Gute pushing the envelope a little bit?

Good questions craig.

First, let it be known that the undrafted rookie reservation amount for 2018 is $103,856. That number is the maximum amount of signing bonuses teams are allowed to give to undrafted free agents in 2018 and is a fixed percentage of the total Rookie Compensation Pool for 2018.

One way that teams can work the system a little bit is to offer to guarantee a portion of a players rookie salary, but now if that player doesn't make the team it becomes dead money against a teams cap. In the past some teams that were light on draft picks have given some eyepopping guarantees thinking that the player had a increased chance to make the roster. (Last year the Patriots gave Harvey Langi 90K guaranteed.)


The whole UDFA process really is a sales job by each team that they will give that player the best chance to make a roster and have a career in the NFL. Players often pass on the highest bonus to try and land in the best place to make a roster. As for the bonuses, different teams take different appoaches to trying to land individual players. The Packers have always been on the low end of bonus money paid per player, but sold the idea of a better opportunity. Which I agree with. The first time you pay a large bonus you have opened pandora's box and every agent from that day forward will be endlessly trying for a bump and the process is ground to a halt. Remember the window is very small timewise for these teams to close the deal.

I understand the thought process that if you spend more, you than with get a better UDFA, but spending more in most cases just means more dead money on the books. Their is a reason player X wasn't drafted in the first place. With the Packers track record, I would say they have the process down fairly well.

One more thing to keep in mind is this process is in full action on the third day of the draft and teams are in contact with players trying to gage the chances of signing them post-draft. In the 7th round teams are often taking a player over another because they know they will not be able to land them as an UDFA. I would guess that very well may be the cases of why the Packers selected both Hunter Bradley and Kendall Donnerson with their late 7th round picks.
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Green Bay Packers News Talk / Re: Guesses at the 53 man roster
« Last post by craig on May 16, 2018, 10:40:28 AM »
Interesting info from Demovsky on UDFA's signing bonus money.

http://www.espn.com/blog/green-bay-packers/post/_/id/44771/follow-the-money-to-find-gems-of-packers-undrafted-rookie-class

I copied this from the draft UDFA thread.  I found this really interesting.  Demovsky notes that there has been some correlation between UDFA signing bonus and the likelihood of making the PS, and eventually the roster; although not always a very strong correlation. 

RobD mentions that some of the "made it" guys from last couple of drafts were top-bonus $5K guys.  But this year, there are five $6K guys and another four $5K guys. 

Q:  Is there a CBA cap as to how large the bonuses can be, and did that get bumped up?  Or is their no cap whatsoever, and teams can bonus whatever they like? 

I ask that, because with a salary cap of $177.2M it seems like the $0.060M spent on the whole UDFA is like a drop in the bucket.   MM always talks about the "63-man roster", and always talks about how many UDFA get to 53-man roster.  Between UDFA who make the original 53, and those who make it during course of year or during ensuring years by promotion from PS, I'd think maximizing the quality of the UDFA would be non-trivial.  Are they losing guys because we're sticking at $5K, and a $7K offer might get better prospects?  If the Packers just "went crazy" and offered $10K bonuses to a dozen guys, might you build a better practice squad? 

I guess I'm just kinda curious why those signing bonuses are so low.   In baseball, typically 20 guys get bonuses of $50K or more, and far fewer guys ever make the majors than in football with the much bigger roster and the much high injury-attrition rate. 

I'd also think that with all of the scouting, it would be kind of a nice reward to the scouting staff to actually pay a little extra and sign the guys they actually want.  Let the practice squad be populated by the guys the scouts like best, rather than being largely populated by guys who pick your $5K over three other teams offering the same $5K. 

But, maybe within the league there is kind of an understanding about limiting UDFA bonuses. 

I just found it interesting that in a league such big salaries, that the UDFA bonuses are so low.
2nd, that Gute gave out a bunch of $6K's, when they'd never gone above $5K before.  Is that a league-wide "6K-is-now-OK" agreement?  Or is Gute pushing the envelope a little bit? 



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Free Agency / Re: Dez Bryant
« Last post by The GM on May 15, 2018, 07:33:19 PM »
It will be interesting to see what Gute does here and what management style he takes.  TT likely wouldnt have had any part of Bryant in Green Bay.  A guy like John Schneider could comb prisons looking for a player if he could find them, and let Pete Carroll handle them.   I dont think Bryant will be in GB because of all the WRs they drafted.   Gute may have a different approach and style to these type situations.  We'll see. 
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Free Agency / Re: Dez Bryant
« Last post by RT on May 15, 2018, 09:23:31 AM »
Jason Witten, the admitted Packers hater and accused 'Garrett Guy' by Dez Bryant has successfully trolled both Bryant and Packers fans in one fell swoop. With his first act as part of the media he declares Bryant will end up in GB, knowing that Bryant has a bad taste in his mouth about the Packers and a sizable portion of the Packers fanbase would lose sleep over the idea of Bryant in green and gold. Personally I find it hilarious and look forward to his future trolling of the Giants, Eagles and Redskins fanbases. 
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On the Streets / Re: Mark's Movie Reviews
« Last post by marklawrence on May 14, 2018, 08:47:15 PM »
Overboard

this is a remake of the 1987 movie starring Kurt Russell and Goldie Hawn. In the original, Goldie is a rich b**ch living on a yacht; Kurt is a working man who comes aboard to fix some things and gets treated like dirt. Shortly afterwards Goldie falls off the yacht and washes ashore with amnesia. Kurt finds her, brings her home and turns her into a house keeper for him and his kids. Over the course of a month Goldie learns to cook, clean, be a mom, and everyone falls in love. Then she regains her memory, but. . .

Here we are, 30 years later, and the world has changed. This time it's the guy who's the rich boorish waste of time, and Anna Ferrell who's the poor struggling single mom. Guy falls off boat, amnesia, Anna turns him into a housekeeper and leaves him alone with her three daughters. Well, at least he's not a muslim refugee.. . Of course, as per the standard female dream, her love turns him into the perfect mate.

The original works because Kurt and Goldie were genuinely gorgeous people who also happened to be way in love in real life.

The new one, not so much.

Rent it and fall asleep while your wife watches it. Learn to hold her hand even while you're asleep. Don't have a wife? These are not the droids you're looking for. Move along. . .
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Draft Talk / Re: Players the Packers have shown interest in
« Last post by RT on May 14, 2018, 07:02:54 AM »
Updated list of private 30 visits from ESPN.

T Dejon Allen, Hawaii

QB Tim Boyle, Eastern Kentucky

LB Oren Burks, Vanderbilt

LB Jack Cichy, Wisconsin

S Dane Cruikshank, Arizona

OL Gerhard de Beer, Arizona

LB Kendall Donnerson, Southeast Missouri State

LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech

C/G Nico Falah, USC

CB Mike Ford, Southeast Missouri State

CB Mike Hughes, UCF

CB Donte Jackson, LSU

S Natrell Jamerson, Wisconsin

S Derwin James, Florida State

WR Keith Kirkwood, Temple

OLB Mike Love, South Florida

T Kolton Miller, UCLA

WR J'Mon Moore, Missouri

WR Dante Pettis, Washington

FB Austin Ramesh, Wisconsin

DT Jullian Taylor, Temple

DT Vita Vea, Washington

WR Justin Watson, Penn

OL Conner Williams, Texas

TE Deon Yelder, Western Kentucky

The Packers didn't fair very well with signing UDFA's that they brought in for visits this year. People may think that I'm a half bubble off for saying this, but I think the weather may have played a part in this. These visits are a chance for the Packers to sell themselves to the players who don't get drafted as the place they what to go to work at. A first impression. As a young player from the south or west coast coming to GB in April in a snowstorm isn't the greatest first impression that a person can have. Not a dealbreaker, but a strike against and if all things are equal elsewhere it could of made the difference with some.
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Draft Talk / Re: Players the Packers have shown interest in
« Last post by RT on May 14, 2018, 06:50:17 AM »
Their is probably a fair chance that this guy is the 4th QB/Camp arm for the Packers 90 man roster.


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Eastern Kentucky QB Tim Boyle has top 30 visit with Green Bay Packers on Monday, according to league source. (6-3, 232, 4.75, 35.5 vertical, 9-9 broad jump, 16 reps)

When I read this one it just jumped off my computer screen at me that this guy was going to be a Packer UDFA signing.
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