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Title: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 13, 2018, 01:32:13 PM
Per Adam Schefter.  :-[
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: scoremore on March 13, 2018, 01:34:47 PM
Oh man that really really really sucks.  I would have rather had Jordy than Graham.  Jordy has been the consummate Packer.  Was really hoping they could work something out on a restructure.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 13, 2018, 01:36:12 PM
If true, it is a sad day. He has been a great person and player for Green Bay. A Great Packer!
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: Gregg on March 13, 2018, 01:41:55 PM
I would rather they have released Cobb.

Too bad, he was a good WR and a good guy.  He will be signed elsewhere.

I still hope we get Moncrief.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: green machine on March 13, 2018, 01:58:11 PM
I would rather they have released Cobb.

Too bad, he was a good WR and a good guy.  He will be signed elsewhere.

I still hope we get Moncrief.
Moncrief to sign with JAX, per Schefter
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 13, 2018, 02:01:33 PM
I would rather have kept Nelson then signed Graham.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: ricky on March 13, 2018, 02:09:08 PM
Released doesn't mean irrevocably gone. It means he is gone for the time being, and can be re-signed by any team- including the Packers. AJ Hawk was also released, and then re-signed a day or two later. Hopefully this will be the case. This is a cold, calculated move, in a cold, calculating league. His age and contract made it clear he was the logical choice to be let go. This has been discussed several times. This give the team mor than $10 million in extra cap space. Will Cobb be next? He'd save them about 9.5 million. And if both of these guys were gone, the dead cap would "only" be around $6 million. Nelson also turns 33 in a couple months, while Cobb is only going to be 28.

Apparently, according to NFLN (this is literally happening as I type) Graham is going to be signed to a three year contract. Don't panic, folks. This will be heavily tilted in the PAckers favor, no matter what the original numbers sound like. Is this a good move? We'll see if Nelson can be retained at a lower amount. Did Nelson balk at re-negotiating his contract? We'll see.

Also, we were always complainng about TT not being active enough in FA. Well, doing that requires money. So, you get rid of a great Packer and bring in someone you hope will give you a better chance at reaching the SB.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: Bignutz on March 13, 2018, 02:15:48 PM
He may yet be resigned.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 13, 2018, 02:21:07 PM
Gutekunst released a statement thanking him for his 10 years of service to the Packers and wished him well... seems a little final...
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: Twain on March 13, 2018, 02:22:21 PM
I hope they are talkiing to Rodgers and keeping him in the loop.  Nelson appeared to be a pretty good friend of Rodgers and this has to sting a bit.

I wonder if this relates to Bahktiari's tweet about loyalty today.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 13, 2018, 02:22:59 PM
He may yet be resigned.

Reading the Packers press release, not holding my breath that he will be back. They didn't just decide to do this today, if being back was an option I would believe he would of just taken a paycut and the Packers wouldn't have 2.5M in dead money. 
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: The GM on March 13, 2018, 02:32:59 PM
Nelson was a great Packer, but he clearly lost a step.  He had 53 catches and a total 118 Yards after the catch last year.  Both Allison and Martellus Bennett had more YAC.  He is a Packer legend but clearly wasnt playing up to the 10 mill contract.  Tough to swallow but its time.  He was a great Packer.  They need a bigger threat than Nelson was last year.  Expect a WR early in the draft.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: craig on March 13, 2018, 02:45:12 PM
1.  Not a classier guy who I liked and respected more during my era as a Packer fan than Jordy.  What a treat he's been as a Packer, as a player, and as an individual. 

2.  But I don't blame Gute at all on this.  Jordy was done, IMO.  Use that cash on somebody else. 

3.  As to Graham vs Jordy, I have no idea, Graham may be done too for all I know.  But, you don't need to run as fast to play TE.  HOpefully that's going to prove to be a good move. 

4.  I assume Graham will be considerably cheaper than Jordy's contract was. 

5.  I don't really, yet, but I sure WANT to trust that Gute and his advisors know what they are doing and are going to make good choices.  I sincerely hope that Gute knows what he's doing, and and the next several years will vindicate that he's a good/wise/smart decision-maker. 

6.  I'm much happier releasing Jordy than Cobb.  On weeks when he's healthy, Cobb still has some moves, and he's younger.  Jordy just couldn't get any separation anymore. 

7.  I think Kendricks at TE set such a low bar, Graham has a chance to be a big step up.  Think Graham has a chance to elevate the production significantly. 

8.  Geronimo/Davis is a pretty low-bar at WR.  Will be fun to see how they fill that.  But I sure wanted to add some speed and ability out there. 

9.  Now sure who's left as WR targets, or whether they'll just target with draft.  But I think for an aspiring but not super-expensive WR, Green Bay would be a super-attractive career opportunity.  Might not need to grossly overpay to get somebody who'd love to play with Rodgers, and need only to beat out Davis and Geronimo to get tons of snaps. 
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 13, 2018, 03:04:45 PM
 

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The fact #Packers WR Jordy Nelson was released means his career with them is over. If they intended to bring him back at lower cost they would have changed the existing deal.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 13, 2018, 03:05:40 PM
1.  Not a classier guy who I liked and respected more during my era as a Packer fan than Jordy.  What a treat he's been as a Packer, as a player, and as an individual. 

2.  But I don't blame Gute at all on this.  Jordy was done, IMO.  Use that cash on somebody else. 

3.  As to Graham vs Jordy, I have no idea, Graham may be done too for all I know.  But, you don't need to run as fast to play TE.  HOpefully that's going to prove to be a good move. 

4.  I assume Graham will be considerably cheaper than Jordy's contract was. 

5.  I don't really, yet, but I sure WANT to trust that Gute and his advisors know what they are doing and are going to make good choices.  I sincerely hope that Gute knows what he's doing, and and the next several years will vindicate that he's a good/wise/smart decision-maker. 

6.  I'm much happier releasing Jordy than Cobb.  On weeks when he's healthy, Cobb still has some moves, and he's younger.  Jordy just couldn't get any separation anymore. 

7.  I think Kendricks at TE set such a low bar, Graham has a chance to be a big step up.  Think Graham has a chance to elevate the production significantly. 

8.  Geronimo/Davis is a pretty low-bar at WR.  Will be fun to see how they fill that.  But I sure wanted to add some speed and ability out there. 

9.  Now sure who's left as WR targets, or whether they'll just target with draft.  But I think for an aspiring but not super-expensive WR, Green Bay would be a super-attractive career opportunity.  Might not need to grossly overpay to get somebody who'd love to play with Rodgers, and need only to beat out Davis and Geronimo to get tons of snaps.

+1
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: WTX_Cheese on March 13, 2018, 03:40:22 PM
I'll always remember those play action roll-outs where Rodgers EASILY hits Nelson on a deep post. A thing of beauty. One of the all-time best Packers!
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: SSGCujo on March 13, 2018, 04:17:41 PM
 Jordy WAS a great Packer. If anyone watched him last season, they could see he lost a step. At 33 years old, he would be best served in the slot, ala Fitzgerald. Who's better in the slot, Cobb or Nelson? Cobb is 27 years old. Nelson reminds me a lot of Freeman when he lost a step. Lombardi always tried to keep his team young, remember that he let Hornug and Taylor go. Father time has no mercy.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: packdaddy on March 13, 2018, 04:31:21 PM
I've been a Packer fan a looong time, as many of you have, so I'm sad, but used to this inevitability.  However, for my children who have grown up with the Packers of this generation, it is their first taste of that sad reality.  My 23-year old daughter, owner of a #87 jersey, broke the news to our family in a group text.  She was very distraught. 

Blessings, Jordy!  Thank you for the memories, and for the class you always displayed.   
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: Scott1956 on March 13, 2018, 05:32:16 PM
It's strange about WR's, when they lose their speed, it's immediate. Jordy has a pair of the best hands I've ever seen.
The Packers still need real deep speed at WR. I'm thinking they will draft a WR on the First Round of the Draft. They need lots of speed on Defense, but if they could get a speedster it would make the offense so much better. They seem to have found a running game. All they need is someone to take the top off the Defense. If they keep Bulaga, it will give the backups one more year of learning before they are ready to start.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: dannobanano on March 13, 2018, 05:47:30 PM
It's strange about WR's, when they lose their speed, it's immediate. Jordy has a pair of the best hands I've ever seen.
The Packers still need real deep speed at WR. I'm thinking they will draft a WR on the First Round of the Draft. They need lots of speed on Defense, but if they could get a speedster it would make the offense so much better. They seem to have found a running game. All they need is someone to take the top off the Defense. If they keep Bulaga, it will give the backups one more year of learning before they are ready to start.

Hard to expect much from a rookie WR in MM's offense.

When was the last time a rooke WR did much in GB?
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: craig on March 13, 2018, 06:36:41 PM
...Hard to expect much from a rookie WR in MM's offense.

When was the last time a rooke WR did much in GB?

Good point.  Still,  actually thought that each of Adams, Cobb, Jordy, and Jennings all looked good as rookies.  In each of those cases, I recall thinking that they often looked quite capable when they played.  Jennings got hurt mid-year, IIRC.  And Cobb and Jordy came in behind a stacked field, they were just blocked.  So as nice as they looked, and reasonably productive when they did get snaps, there just weren't all that many snaps given quality vets ahead of them.  Adams played a lot, and had a few excellent games, and some nothing games.  But even then, Cobb and Jordy were definitely the men ahead of him. 

That opportunity could be VERY different this fall.  If all a rookie needs to do is move past Geronimo and Davis, it might not be that hard to get a LOT of snaps.  If Adams or Cobb get hurt, even easier yet.  Think if Jordy or Cobb were rookies on this roster, they could have had double or triple their snaps and double-or-triple their yards.....

But, I hope somehow there's a pretty good FA WR out there who signs up, and can emerge as a pretty good player with Aaron throwing to him, and given the opportunity.  So that a really gifted 2nd-round pick doesn't need to play more snaps than Adams or Jordy or Cobb did.   
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: The GM on March 13, 2018, 07:01:54 PM
Was wondering today if Jordy is on the Mt Rushmore of Packer WRs:

Hutson and Lofton for sure.  Driver?  Nelson? Dowler?
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: marklawrence on March 13, 2018, 07:06:06 PM
Jordy is gone. Sorry. Get used to it.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: packlaw on March 13, 2018, 08:09:07 PM
Internet reporting Jordy is being sought by Ravens and Seahawks aggressively.  Jordy still wants to play, the Packer era is over...what great memories...best of luck
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: The GM on March 13, 2018, 08:16:56 PM
Hes visiting the Raiders tomorrow.  The Packers offered him a chance to come back at a salary just over the 10 year league minimum and he declined.  He's gone and I wish him well.  Great player and Packer.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: craig on March 13, 2018, 09:04:34 PM
....The Packers offered him a chance to come back at a salary just over the 10 year league minimum ....

That's not much. 
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: SSGCujo on March 13, 2018, 09:33:54 PM
 The Packers have the slowest WRs in the NFL. Speed kills. Aaron Rodgers was able to cover this up. This team has to get faster. Jordy lost his speed last year. Yes, Jordy was a great receiver in his prime. It was also sad when Sterling Sharpe went down. The team went on to win a Super Bowl.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 14, 2018, 12:59:13 PM
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Post by: Payne85 on March 14, 2018, 07:59:40 PM
Jordy may not be worth the full value on his contract.....we have quite a few guys that aren't (talkin' Clay for starters).  He is still a better WR than  Cobb and was paid less.

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Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 15, 2018, 10:19:32 AM
 
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Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: RT on March 15, 2018, 11:10:59 AM
 
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The #Raiders deal for WR Jordy Nelson is not a done deal just yet. I’m told they have real competition from the #Saints. They are making a hard push. The #Seahawks aren’t out yet. He’s still in Oakland, but...


Imagine that their is a strong market for Nelson.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: dannobanano on March 15, 2018, 02:06:18 PM

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The #Raiders deal for WR Jordy Nelson is not a done deal just yet. I’m told they have real competition from the #Saints. They are making a hard push. The #Seahawks aren’t out yet. He’s still in Oakland, but...


Imagine that their is a strong market for Nelson.

Keeping Cobb solved............?

He's not a #1.
He's not a #2.....either.
He's a slot........primarily. But Nelson played better in the slot in 2016 than Cobb ever has.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: marklawrence on March 15, 2018, 04:08:20 PM
$15m  / 2 years. Considerably more than we offered.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: ricky on March 15, 2018, 04:21:48 PM

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The #Raiders deal for WR Jordy Nelson is not a done deal just yet. I’m told they have real competition from the #Saints. They are making a hard push. The #Seahawks aren’t out yet. He’s still in Oakland, but...


Imagine that their is a strong market for Nelson.

Keeping Cobb solved............?

He's not a #1.
He's not a #2.....either.
He's a slot........primarily. But Nelson played better in the slot in 2016 than Cobb ever has.

Cobb is also a lot younger than Nelson, and hasn't lost a step. Cobb is also versatile, since he can be lined up in the backfield and then move to another spot, or stay there and have to be taken somewhat seriously as a running threat. Also, cutting Nelson meant saving over$10 million in cap space, with a dead cap hit of about $2.5 million. Cobb? Savings of $9.5 million, but dead cap of $3.25 million. This was a business decision. The Packers are likely to want to at least investigate re-signing Cobb, although at a lower price next year. Though it seems likely that Cobb will hit FA next year, and the Packers will be more likely to look for a "player swap" along he lines of Nelson/Graham rather than compete if some other team wants to throw a lot of money at Cobb.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: The GM on March 15, 2018, 04:54:10 PM

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The #Raiders deal for WR Jordy Nelson is not a done deal just yet. I’m told they have real competition from the #Saints. They are making a hard push. The #Seahawks aren’t out yet. He’s still in Oakland, but...


Imagine that their is a strong market for Nelson.

Keeping Cobb solved............?

He's not a #1.
He's not a #2.....either.
He's a slot........primarily. But Nelson played better in the slot in 2016 than Cobb ever has.

Cobb is also a lot younger than Nelson, and hasn't lost a step. Cobb is also versatile, since he can be lined up in the backfield and then move to another spot, or stay there and have to be taken somewhat seriously as a running threat. Also, cutting Nelson meant saving over$10 million in cap space, with a dead cap hit of about $2.5 million. Cobb? Savings of $9.5 million, but dead cap of $3.25 million. This was a business decision. The Packers are likely to want to at least investigate re-signing Cobb, although at a lower price next year. Though it seems likely that Cobb will hit FA next year, and the Packers will be more likely to look for a "player swap" along he lines of Nelson/Graham rather than compete if some other team wants to throw a lot of money at Cobb.

Agree with this.  Business decision.   I think a lot of Jordys stats late in his career came from a chemistry and rapport with Rodgers.  They instinctively knew what the other was doing. Having lost a step, I'll be interested to see if he gets that connection with Carr.  It takes years sometimes and isnt easy.  Without it, Jordy might not be the Jordy we've  known in recent years.
Title: Re: Packers Releasing Jordy Nelson...
Post by: SSGCujo on March 15, 2018, 05:49:08 PM
 Time to move on. Yes, Jordy Nelson was one of the best Packer WRs ever. But face it, he couldn't run anymore. Why did Rodgers have to roll out and extend plays? His receivers couldn't get open. Just watch the 22 video and see it. Adams and Cobb were open more. Jordy will play one year in Oakland and retire. Father time has no mercy.