PC Forums

General Category => Green Bay Packers News Talk => Topic started by: Bignutz on September 09, 2018, 07:04:19 PM

Title: O line
Post by: Bignutz on September 09, 2018, 07:04:19 PM
Totally man handled by the Bears.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: BrianShetty on September 09, 2018, 08:33:04 PM
In the first half. The second half had a new storyline
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Bignutz on September 10, 2018, 07:17:47 AM
True, I spoke to soon. Before the legend himself retook the field!
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on September 10, 2018, 09:50:11 PM
It really was pretty bizarre.  Chicago was totally, absolutely dominating the o-line early, Bulaga had no chance, RG had no chance.  Then suddenly it turned around and they protected him shocking well.  It was kind of bizzarre.  Part I imagine was maybe Mack getting tired?  And I think they were kind of in "prevent" mode for a while, which helped Green Bay.  But kinda weird how they were getting totally manhandled... and then they weren't. 

The o-line certainly didn't look very excellent on the predictable first-down-runs-up-the-middle, though. 
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Premontre1969 on September 24, 2018, 12:28:04 PM
Manhanled by the Redskins as well. I think this unit is our greatest concern. We don’t have the talent there to get us to the promised land. I have some hope for our defensive backfield to improve as the season goes on but the OL just doesn’t seem to have that potential. I hope I’m wrong.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: The GM on September 24, 2018, 01:06:01 PM
Rodgers wont make it through the season with this bunch.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Gregg on September 24, 2018, 04:08:54 PM
Now there are allegedly two injuries there to our RT and RG.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: marklawrence on September 24, 2018, 04:33:14 PM
Our OL is designed and trained for a mobile QB. Rodgers will regain his mobility soon, then the OL will miraculously improve
Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on September 26, 2018, 10:10:56 AM
Tom Silverstein

Verified account
 
@TomSilverstein
 5m5 minutes ago
More
#Packers practice: TE Jimmy Graham (unspecified), G Justin McCray (shoulder) and OLB Nick Perry (concussion) join CB Kevin King and Aaron Rodgers sitting out. T Bryan Bulaga IS practicing.

With Bulaga practicing it should be a strong indication that he will be playing on sunday.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on September 26, 2018, 12:10:40 PM
Tom Silverstein

Verified account
 
@TomSilverstein
 5m5 minutes ago
More
#Packers practice: TE Jimmy Graham (unspecified), G Justin McCray (shoulder) and OLB Nick Perry (concussion) join CB Kevin King and Aaron Rodgers sitting out. T Bryan Bulaga IS practicing.

With Bulaga practicing it should be a strong indication that he will be playing on sunday.

I'll bet BB has a chiropractor on speed dial 24/7. Keep that back aligned and loose baby!
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Premontre1969 on September 30, 2018, 02:37:13 PM
OL looked good today against the Bills. I have new hope that this unit is better than I thought. Go Pack!
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on September 30, 2018, 04:32:30 PM
Yes, they did well. 
Title: Re: O line
Post by: ricky on September 30, 2018, 05:54:14 PM
Defense improved, offensive line improved. Could it be that with repititions in real games, the guys are getting back into the swing of things? On defense, they are starting to learn a new system, and rather than thinking, are simply reacting and making more plays. The OL didn't play as a unit in the exhibition season. After a bad start against the Bears, they have been up and down, but seem to be getting more cohesive. Something that should happen on both sides of the ball as they play together more. Also, apparently Rodgers was more mobile in the game. So, perhaps he is slowly but surely healing. From my perspective, the arrow is point "up" for the team.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: marklawrence on September 30, 2018, 09:36:32 PM
It appears to me Aaron had a bone bruise, not a partial MCL. He's clearly healing, much faster than a partial MCL.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: mtsportsfan on November 19, 2018, 04:38:00 PM
O- line , especially the guards need a massive upgrade. Watching the saints shred the eagles, one thing stood out. Brees had all day, hardly pressured at all . We need to protect Rodgers better. No more undrafted street free agents or over the hill past there prime players. Alot of money invested in Rodgers. Time to do that with the oline too. A free agent and high draft pick would be a good start. Don't have anybody in mind but it's something we should consider.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on November 19, 2018, 06:20:56 PM
Top free agent OL is hard to find. Teams tend to keep their best O-linemen, so what you get in FA tends to be rump roast instead of prime rib. Especially for OT’s.

If Cole Madison comes back it would be a big help. You could put him next to Bak and have a potentially great left side. Move Lane Taylor to the Right Guard (his more natural side) and then use the draft to find a good Right OT.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: skcusICH on November 20, 2018, 08:03:22 AM
Brees hasn't been sacked in the last 4 games. That includes games against the Vikings, Rams, and Eagles. I don't even have words for that...damn impressive. What that offense is doing is absolutely amazing.

I think as Packers fans, we're at the point where we look at it as a success if Rodgers doesn't get sacked on a given drive...while the Saints are going an entire quarter of a season without allowing a sack. Perspective

It's tough to find a complete o-line that can do it all and keep them all healthy. The 2nd half of 2014 was the last time we really saw our o-line playing at a league best level. That was a fun stretch of games.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on November 20, 2018, 08:36:53 AM
I normally just ignore these threads when people are this far lost in the weeds and I probably should of today also, but the fact that people don't understand that the Packers OL is a very good unit and has been for several years is baffling to me. They have been one of the bright spots for the Packers this season. They are at the top of the NFL in rush average, lead the league in yards by runner before contact. Are in the top 25% of the NFL in fewest QB pressures per attempt even with how long that Rodgers holds onto the ball in an attempt to extend plays.


They do need to address RG because that has been a revolving door and they will, but the other 4 have been rock solid professionals.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-10

Title: Re: O line
Post by: PackerYakker on November 20, 2018, 10:08:53 AM
I normally just ignore these threads when people are this far lost in the weeds and I probably should of today also, but the fact that people don't understand that the Packers OL is a very good unit and has been for several years is baffling to me. They have been one of the bright spots for the Packers this season. They are at the top of the NFL in rush average, lead the league in yards by runner before contact. Are in the top 25% of the NFL in fewest QB pressures per attempt even with how long that Rodgers holds onto the ball in an attempt to extend plays.

They do need to address RG because that has been a revolving door and they will, but the other 4 have been rock solid professionals.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-10

Per PFF, Lane Taylor ranks 32nd. That's not rock solid. That's JAG. He's never been any better and never will be. Byron Bell ranks 68th, making him one of, if not the lowest rated starter at G. He's a liability.

GB's guard play has gone from elite to mediocre over the past 3 years. They've invested basically no draft capital at the position for nearly a decade. The current group consists strictly of undrafted players and a cast-off. GB is getting what they paid for.

The run game has been productive because of Jones' special talents. The numbers you cite would be quite different with Jamal Williams as the lead back.
The passing offense will continue to suffer until they get better at both G positions. Rodgers is skittish in the pocket in part because he rightfully doesn't trust the guard play. Justin McCray has some potential and should be starting ahead of Bell. They need to see what he can do. Taylor is set to make nearly $5M in salary next year and clearly isn't worth it. They need to finally spend a quality draft pick and get him out of the lineup ASAP.

Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on November 20, 2018, 01:13:09 PM
I normally just ignore these threads when people are this far lost in the weeds and I probably should of today also, but the fact that people don't understand that the Packers OL is a very good unit and has been for several years is baffling to me. They have been one of the bright spots for the Packers this season. They are at the top of the NFL in rush average, lead the league in yards by runner before contact. Are in the top 25% of the NFL in fewest QB pressures per attempt even with how long that Rodgers holds onto the ball in an attempt to extend plays.

They do need to address RG because that has been a revolving door and they will, but the other 4 have been rock solid professionals.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-2018-nfl-offensive-line-rankings-all-32-teams-units-after-week-10

Per PFF, Lane Taylor ranks 32nd. That's not rock solid. That's JAG. He's never been any better and never will be. Byron Bell ranks 68th, making him one of, if not the lowest rated starter at G. He's a liability.

GB's guard play has gone from elite to mediocre over the past 3 years. They've invested basically no draft capital at the position for nearly a decade. The current group consists strictly of undrafted players and a cast-off. GB is getting what they paid for.

The run game has been productive because of Jones' special talents. The numbers you cite would be quite different with Jamal Williams as the lead back.
The passing offense will continue to suffer until they get better at both G positions. Rodgers is skittish in the pocket in part because he rightfully doesn't trust the guard play. Justin McCray has some potential and should be starting ahead of Bell. They need to see what he can do. Taylor is set to make nearly $5M in salary next year and clearly isn't worth it. They need to finally spend a quality draft pick and get him out of the lineup ASAP.


The topic title is 'O line' and my point is that they have been playing a lot better than what they are publicly given credit for. In your usage of PFF's rankings to build a case against Taylor you left out the most important ranking that they provide and that is the ranking as a unit. PFF ranks the Packers 2nd of all OL units in the NFL this season and have been a top 10 unit for the past 3 seasons.


I don't believe anyone has ever made a case that Bell is the answer at RG, I stated when they signed him that he has never been a quality player and probably never will be a quality player. In my first posting I stated that "they do need to address RG because that has been a revolving door and they will". Even with Bell in the line-up they are still the 2nd ranked OL.


As for Taylor, I believe the Packers are quite happy with his production and don't believe he is going anywhere for 2 more years. His contract is very friendly for his position and level of play. In 2019 his base salary is 2.6M with 1.5M in possible bonuses, in 2020 his base salary is 3.8M with 750K in possible bonuses. True he is ranked 32nd, but is probably in the top 25% in run blocking and in the bottom 25% in pass blocking. Him and Linsley are what make the Packers run game work. His value to the Packers is far greater than his 32nd ranking on PFF.


Aaron Jones is a gifted player with the ball in his hands, but to credit him as the lone reason for the rush numbers is an unfair claim against the OL. Jones has account for only 44.7% of the rushes this season that factor into these stats. Yes Jones is a special runner, but is he more special than every RB in the NFL? Because that is what is being compared here, the Packers OL and all of their runners vs. 31 other OL's and all of their runners.     
Title: Re: O line
Post by: mtsportsfan on November 20, 2018, 05:20:34 PM
Rt gotta say when you post I more often agree . Not only when you say something you have facts to back it up. You put up number for your point of view, and numbers don't generally lie. But the o-line does not pass the eyeball test! Not talking about the tackles but the guards. There is just to much pressure up the middle and because of that Rodgers is getting happy feet . I feel we need better players in in those positions. You stated that most teams keep there own lineman which I agree, but it still wouldn't take much to get better there. Not asking for the most expensive free agent, just better than the ones we have.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: SET4YRS on November 20, 2018, 07:46:23 PM
 WR's that gain Rodgers' trust and consistently get open would make every team ranking across both offense and defense look better.  I don't put too much into PFF ratings. Funny seeing Bakhtiari get snubbed for the Pro Bowl and make the All Pro team. Anyway, about to hit an easier stretch in the schedule. Surely about to pad the stats that people want.


Title: Re: O line
Post by: packdaddy on November 21, 2018, 12:12:59 AM
Rodger's sack total is typically elevated because of his refusal to throw to the open guy early (or maybe he just doesn't see it). He does his oline no favors.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on November 21, 2018, 02:18:44 PM
Rt gotta say when you post I more often agree . Not only when you say something you have facts to back it up. You put up number for your point of view, and numbers don't generally lie. But the o-line does not pass the eyeball test! Not talking about the tackles but the guards. There is just to much pressure up the middle and because of that Rodgers is getting happy feet . I feel we need better players in in those positions. You stated that most teams keep there own lineman which I agree, but it still wouldn't take much to get better there. Not asking for the most expensive free agent, just better than the ones we have.


Not claiming that they can't improve and continue to add talent, they will do that every year at every position. My postings are in response to the people that think they are horrible, most everyone sucks and the Packers need to blow the whole thing up. I would guess that finding a longer term answer at RG is one of the things that is at the top of Gute's to do list. But in short, the production has been much better than some are crying about.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Gregg on November 26, 2018, 01:31:30 PM
You know RT, there is an old line about statistics which I won't repeat here because its profane.

Green Bay is ranked 21st in the NFL per rushing offense.

In sacks per game we are in the bottom five, giving up about three and a half per game.

Now, how that translates into a top two OL in the NFL escapes me.  What are they drinking over at PFF?  If you give up that many sacks, and you have a bottom third rushing game, how does that indicate a good OL?

What matters to me, and I think to most people, is simple: results.  A good OL does not allow that many sacks.  And before anyone says, well AR holds the ball, let me add this: he is also a good escape artist.  Which means he saves as many sacks as he causes.

Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on December 31, 2018, 11:41:21 AM
Interesting end of season stat.

https://twitter.com/NFLMatchup/status/1079820221995724800
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 17, 2019, 12:32:00 PM
If GB can solidify RG then these stats will really go up.  OL is always the best example of the weakest link breaking the chain.  Bakhtiari and Bulaga do not get the respect that they deserve from the masses and Linsley has been incredibly consistent.  GB is happy with Taylor - especially at that price.  Could be a real shot in the arm if Madison can do something this year.  My concern, beyond RG, is the loss of Campen.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: ricky on January 17, 2019, 05:50:03 PM
Found this when googling Cole Madison. Add salt as needed, but this this the first time I've heard what his off field issues were:

https://www.reddit.com/r/GreenBayPackers/comments/9noaki/any_update_on_cole_madison_recently/
Title: Re: O line
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 18, 2019, 02:21:27 AM
I am agreeing with RT about the quality of the o line as a unit. It is a very good unit, but with some concerns.
The excellent: David Bakhtiari
The very good: Corey Linsley
The good: Bryan Bulaga
The good enough: Lane Taylor
The bad: Byron Bell

What the O line needs. One starting RG, and one replacement for Bulaga after 2019. These can be fixed (for 2019) with just one pick. A guy like Cody Ford (draft, round 2) could fill in at RG and move to RT in 2020. Then the Packers would still need a RG in 2020, but the need is pushed a year into the future. Dalton Risner is another in this draft who could do the RG/RT thing. A lesser (and cheaper) version of Ford would be G Connor McGovern, but he doesn't have eventual RT capability.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on January 18, 2019, 05:43:14 AM
Good thought, 1265.
I like your point that it's a very good unit with some concerns.  That a good guard would impact.
 
I'd kinda like to maybe see a double-dip:  both sign a good FA guard, AND spend a variably high draft pick on an OL.

A reason I'd like to double-dip is that if you add one guy to eliminate your last concern, then the minute one of the 5 guys gets hurt you're back to having a vulnerable spot.  Plus of course you're trusting that the guy you pick is going to be good day one, unlike high picks past such as Spriggs and Sherrod.  It would be so nice to have a prospect with a chance to perhaps be really good waiting in line, kind of like Bulaga as a rookie.   

I realize the roster is thin all over, so aspiring to have any depth at OL might be unrealistically obsessive!
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 18, 2019, 08:49:22 AM
I had read that about Cole and the suicide somewhere too. The two players were very close and the thought is that Madison somehow provided either the gun or the training.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 22, 2019, 12:47:01 PM
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on January 22, 2019, 12:54:20 PM
MLF, Hackett, and Stenovich will be doing a thorough evaluation of each of the members of the OL.

They very well may keep him this next year. But they may not just as easily. We will find out in about 40-45 days.

It's not out call. But we can all have our own opinions.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Shinesman on January 22, 2019, 02:38:30 PM
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.

Exactly, when he is out there.  And didnt he refuse to restructure his deal to be more team friendly? Even though he gets paid for about half a season of work?
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 22, 2019, 02:54:27 PM
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.

Exactly, when he is out there.  And didnt he refuse to restructure his deal to be more team friendly? Even though he gets paid for about half a season of work?
He is the 8th highest paid RT in the game.  Understandable as to why he said no.  Not like he got cut for saying no...
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Shinesman on January 22, 2019, 08:59:40 PM
I just do not understand the talk regarding getting rid of Bulaga this year.  If there was a WAR stat for RT his would be quite high.  Please remember just how bad it has looked whenever he has not been out there.  I think that this shows just how important he has been to the OL.

Exactly, when he is out there.  And didnt he refuse to restructure his deal to be more team friendly? Even though he gets paid for about half a season of work?
He is the 8th highest paid RT in the game.  Understandable as to why he said no.  Not like he got cut for saying no...

Honestly, they should have cut him. How many games has he averaged a season? And he usually plays a few with a pretty crappy injury, which shows when her gets beat by any decent defender.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: footballdad on January 23, 2019, 03:13:34 AM
Ok, I've gone back and forth on cutting Bulaga as well. We do not have a viable replacement on the roster. There are a few available in free agency who MAY be an upgrade. But then again IF Bulaga is healthy, they would be a downgrade. He grades out as one of the better RT in the game and does not always get beat by any decent defender. Who is your replacement? Spriggs? Lay out a plan instead of just saying Bulaga sucks.
If Ford or Williams are available at the 12th pick (if 2 QB are taken in front of us, one of them should be) problem solved. If Bulaga stays healthy either he or the rookie could play RG for the year.
Enough already with the blanket statements please. What is your alternative? Name names.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Shinesman on January 23, 2019, 07:08:31 AM
Ok, I've gone back and forth on cutting Bulaga as well. We do not have a viable replacement on the roster. There are a few available in free agency who MAY be an upgrade. But then again IF Bulaga is healthy, they would be a downgrade. He grades out as one of the better RT in the game and does not always get beat by any decent defender. Who is your replacement? Spriggs? Lay out a plan instead of just saying Bulaga sucks.
If Ford or Williams are available at the 12th pick (if 2 QB are taken in front of us, one of them should be) problem solved. If Bulaga stays healthy either he or the rookie could play RG for the year.
Enough already with the blanket statements please. What is your alternative? Name names.

I dont have to name names, the point is that bulaga isn't worth the money he collects. If he played every game, he would be, but he doesnt, and he is often hampered by injuries. If he was getting paid accordingly for missed time, that would be fine. But paying him the amount we do to play 60% of a season is bad business.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Hands on January 23, 2019, 07:33:46 AM
You have to keep Bulaga, no choice or replacement on roster. Spriggs might become a starter as he keeps developing, but more likely the Packers will pick an OT or two in the draft.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: scoremore on January 23, 2019, 08:37:44 AM
Ok, I've gone back and forth on cutting Bulaga as well. We do not have a viable replacement on the roster. There are a few available in free agency who MAY be an upgrade. But then again IF Bulaga is healthy, they would be a downgrade. He grades out as one of the better RT in the game and does not always get beat by any decent defender. Who is your replacement? Spriggs? Lay out a plan instead of just saying Bulaga sucks.
If Ford or Williams are available at the 12th pick (if 2 QB are taken in front of us, one of them should be) problem solved. If Bulaga stays healthy either he or the rookie could play RG for the year.
Enough already with the blanket statements please. What is your alternative? Name names.

I dont have to name names, the point is that bulaga isn't worth the money he collects. If he played every game, he would be, but he doesnt, and he is often hampered by injuries. If he was getting paid accordingly for missed time, that would be fine. But paying him the amount we do to play 60% of a season is bad business.

Maybe he stays healthy next year.  Bulaga is a solid RT.  He's well worth what we are paying him.  We don't need to create new holes have enough already.  I'd roll with Bulaga at RT and Spriggs as the back up again next year.  We do need a RG though.  Hopefully we'll draft a couple of guys for depth or sign a FA or two.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on January 23, 2019, 11:08:59 AM
This is beginning to remind me of last year when the debate was to keep Jordy or keep Cobb.

Jordy's older and slower than Cobb. When Cobb is healthy he's a much better player than Jordy.

Sound familiar?

When Bulaga is healthy, he's a dominant RT. But when was the last time he was available for a full 16 game schedule on his current 5 yr extension?

2016.

2015 thru 2018 he's been available for 47 out of 64 regular season games. He's missed nearly 28% of his starts.

Factor in that they may be installing an entirely new blocking scheme, and you have to wonder if now is the time to move on? Does he fit what they want from a RT with the new offense and blocking scheme?

Maybe Spriggs will be better suited to the new scheme?

Maybe they need to look at FA for another RT, AS WELL AS drafting another one.

And I guess it's OK to dip into free agency for a Guard, but not a Tackle? Logic? SMH.

Bryan Bulaga has about as much chance of staying healthy for this whole next season as does Cole Madison magically showing up ready for the off season program.

Don't bet your house and kids on it.

Title: Re: O line
Post by: Fox_NFLs_GG on January 23, 2019, 12:15:07 PM
This is beginning to remind me of last year when the debate was to keep Jordy or keep Cobb.

Jordy's older and slower than Cobb. When Cobb is healthy he's a much better player than Jordy.

Sound familiar?

When Bulaga is healthy, he's a dominant RT. But when was the last time he was available for a full 16 game schedule on his current 5 yr extension?

2016.

2015 thru 2018 he's been available for 47 out of 64 regular season games. He's missed nearly 28% of his starts.

Factor in that they may be installing an entirely new blocking scheme, and you have to wonder if now is the time to move on? Does he fit what they want from a RT with the new offense and blocking scheme?

Maybe Spriggs will be better suited to the new scheme?

Maybe they need to look at FA for another RT, AS WELL AS drafting another one.

And I guess it's OK to dip into free agency for a Guard, but not a Tackle? Logic? SMH.

Bryan Bulaga has about as much chance of staying healthy for this whole next season as does Cole Madison magically showing up ready for the off season program.

Don't bet your house and kids on it.

Odds are that he never will and that it is a wasted pick. Cole was supposed to be a major help...
Title: Re: O line
Post by: The GM on January 23, 2019, 01:01:42 PM
LaFleur's plan to run the ball more could change things a lot in this draft and FA.   Dont be surprised if they go OL with the top pick(s).  It serves two purposes.  It gets Rodgers better pass protection and more importantly upgrades the run blocking as a key point in this new offense.   IMO, other than Bak 69, none of those guys should feel safe.   Id keep Bulaga around for another year, but his eventual replacement needs to come in this draft or this FA period.  That OL needs revamping so they can run the ball, and Rodgers can confidently sit in the pocket and not wonder about his swinging gate offensive line on every pass play.  JMO
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Shinesman on January 23, 2019, 10:15:01 PM
A bit off topic, but IF MLF plans on rebuilding the line to run more, will he try and acquire Derrick Henry to run behind that line and split time with Jones? Henry was on the trade block last season, and I really wish we would have swooped him. Maybe he will be a better scheme fit if we change our blocking style.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: footballdad on January 24, 2019, 02:40:39 AM
Going back to the should we keep or cut Bulaga topic, before getting rid of him lets take a look at who is available in free agency to replace him.

Statistics over a five year period:

Brian Bulaga - 62 of 80 games started. 761 avg snaps per season.
Bobby Massie - 76 of 80 games started. 987 avg snaps per season. UFA - Chicago - age 30
Jordan Mills - 71 of 80 games started. 847 avg snaps per season. UFA - Buffalo - age 28
Ereck Flowers - 55 of 61 games started. 903 avg snaps per season. UFA - Jacksonville - age 25

Mentioned guys seem to be durable snap eaters. Are they better than a healthy Bulaga? Don't know. Roll of the dice either way.

Whatever happens, hoping they address the RT and RG positions in the draft. Fairly high. Would not be opposed to using 2 of the first three picks on the o-line.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on January 24, 2019, 06:36:04 AM
Thanks, dad, that's helpful to see specific names available with ages and durability past. 

My thought:
1.  Keep Bulaga and hope for the best.
2.  Sign a FA guard who is variably better than Bell (that's a concept; I haven't considered who if anybody is available.)
3.  Draft one OT high. 
4.  Depending on the quality of the FA guard, perhaps use a 4th/5th round pick on a second guy who might long-term project more towards guard than tackle? 

Logic: 
1.  If the FA guard is not a top-end guy, it limits the commitment and leaves $$ for other needs.
2.  By using one high pick, that leaves three other high picks for other needs.
3.  If you spend serious $$ on a good guard who's planned in as a multi-year starter, that could really stabilize everything.  Then if 2nd pick is 5th or later, there's no pressing urgency. 
4.  For 19, there will be no guarantees regardless in the National Injury League.  But I'd think if you take your chances on whatever snaps Bulaga can play (maybe a whole lot of them), and have a high pick as a contingency option, plus Spriggs for those who are believers, that seems reasonable coverage. 
5.  With Bulaga and FA guard, then no rookies need to be written right into 19 lineup.  (As talented as Bakhti is, he got bull-rushed as a rookie.)   




Title: Re: O line
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 24, 2019, 10:02:28 AM
I think what may fix this OL is the hire of Milt Hendrickson. Gute and Milt have been friends for 20 yrs...a Wis native and both went to College at Wis La Crosse.


Hendrickson has spent the past 14 yrs as a regional scout and a national scout for the Ravens.


Gute  got him a job as an intern with the Packers in 2005

Hendrickson scouted primarily offensive lineman for the Ravens....I like this hire

here is the whole article :

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2019/01/22/packers-land-scout-hendrickson-mallory-hunt-special-teams-job/2651807002/

Title: Re: O line
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 24, 2019, 10:32:50 AM
Packers' David Bakhtiari named PFF's 2018 Pass Blocker of the Year
By Michael Renner • Jan 23, 2019
 

There may be no more coveted skillset in today’s NFL than an offensive tackle you can leave on an island from the first snap of the game to the last. The set it and forget it method appeals to every offensive coordinator in the NFL and sets their mind at ease from a game-planning perspective. Those tackles are decidedly rare which is why they’re so in demand. In 2018, there was no tackle in the NFL more comfortable on an island in 2018 than Green Bay Packers left tackle David Bakhtiari, and it’s the reason why he’s the recipient for PFF’s Best Pass-Blocker award.

The public accolades that have been heaped on Bakhtiari might make this somewhat of a surprise for some. In his six-year career, the Packers left tackle has been named to one Pro Bowl (2016) and one first team All-Pro (2018). This is nothing new though for us at PFF. Bakhtiari was named PFF’s Best Pass-Blocker in 2016 as well and has had five straight seasons with pass-blocking grades above 85.0.
I wrote earlier this year about what makes Bakhitiari so special, but it’s worth revisiting. The thing that truly sets him apart from other tackles is that he never gets worked over. In the last three seasons, he’s had precisely one game with a pass-blocking grade below 65.0. Tyron Smith has seven such outings over the same span. Andrew Whitworth, five. Even Joe Thomas in his last three seasons before retiring had three such outings. Even the best tackles are going to lose every now and then, but Bakhtiari’s ability to never fall into liability territory is uncanny for the position.
Another thing that makes him so special is his how infrequently he loses cleanly. We separate our downgrades for offensive linemen in pass protection into three buckets based on how quickly and cleanly they lose. Bakhtiari was one of six starting tackles this season to not have a single pass blocking rep that earned the worst downgrade – and he did it on the third-most pass-blocking snaps of any tackle in the NFL (737). Among full-time starters this season, Bakhtiari had the fourth-fewest amount of pass-blocking snaps that earned the second-lowest downgrade as well (10). His consistency and relatively mild losses are a big reason why Aaron Rodgers is capable of making so many second reaction plays whether it’s inside or outside the pocket.
Bakhtiari is currently the gold standard for pass protection in the NFL. There are better run blockers and more impressive athletes playing tackle today, but no one is stingier in pass protection than the Packers left tackle.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 24, 2019, 10:33:29 AM
more on our OL from PFF

 Green Bay owned the fourth-highest average time to throw in the league at 2.96 seconds, yet allowed a pressure on Aaron Rodgers on just 21.1 percent of dropbacks, sixth-lowest in the NFL. That means the Packers are sustaining their blocks longer than any other team in the league at the most efficient rate, an effort led by Bakhtiari. The next team on the list in time to throw? The Rams (2.94 seconds), who use a healthy amount of play action out of 11 personnel, requiring more time for Jared Goff to complete his fake and usually increasing the difficulty of sustaining a long pass block. As a team, the Rams allowed Goff to be pressured on just 23.7 percent of dropbacks, good for 10th best in the NFL. Whitworth is as reliable as they come, allowing just four sacks on 638 snaps, per Pro Football Focus.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Gregg on January 24, 2019, 11:08:13 AM
To me the question about our OL is the right side.

Do we gamble and stick with BB?  Or do we go for his replacement now?

And that does not seem to me to be Spriggs.  Who may have been a mistake.  This guy looks like a back up to me.

Also, do we stick with McRay/Lucas at guard?

I am fine with the right side.  And I can live with Linsley at center, though he seems to have trouble with bigger nose tackles.

But its the right side that needs to be looked at.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Bignutz on January 24, 2019, 12:52:10 PM
In retrospect, the arguments in this thread have convinced me that we will have to stick with Bulaga and hope he stays healthy. He is one of the best when he’s out there no doubt about it. But IMO we have to start looking for his successor. I don’t see it being Spriggs. twocents)
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on January 24, 2019, 01:25:31 PM
Thanks, dad, that's helpful to see specific names available with ages and durability past. 

My thought:
1.  Keep Bulaga and hope for the best.
2.  Sign a FA guard who is variably better than Bell (that's a concept; I haven't considered who if anybody is available.)
3.  Draft one OT high. 
4.  Depending on the quality of the FA guard, perhaps use a 4th/5th round pick on a second guy who might long-term project more towards guard than tackle? 

Logic: 
1.  If the FA guard is not a top-end guy, it limits the commitment and leaves $$ for other needs.
2.  By using one high pick, that leaves three other high picks for other needs.
3.  If you spend serious $$ on a good guard who's planned in as a multi-year starter, that could really stabilize everything.  Then if 2nd pick is 5th or later, there's no pressing urgency. 
4.  For 19, there will be no guarantees regardless in the National Injury League.  But I'd think if you take your chances on whatever snaps Bulaga can play (maybe a whole lot of them), and have a high pick as a contingency option, plus Spriggs for those who are believers, that seems reasonable coverage. 
5.  With Bulaga and FA guard, then no rookies need to be written right into 19 lineup.  (As talented as Bakhti is, he got bull-rushed as a rookie.)


Somebody better call Gute! I don't think he knows he's supposed to get a FA Guard!

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/23/gm-brian-gutekunst-on-packers-guards-i-like-that-group/ (https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/23/gm-brian-gutekunst-on-packers-guards-i-like-that-group/)

Quote
In a recent interview with Michael Cohen of The Athletic, Gutekunst praised starting left guard Lane Taylor and pointed to Lucas Patrick, Justin McCray and even undrafted free agent Alex Light as three young players capable of playing right guard next season.

“I think they have a chance to really solidify that spot along with Alex Light and some other guys that are competing,” Gutekunst said. “I like our group, I like the way they compete. We’re always looking to get better and add, but I like that group.”

JMHO.............If they decide to keep Bulaga..........so be it.

But I'd rather move on from an elite high injury risk player and sign a dependable better than serviceable veteran for 2-3 years, rather than hope said injury risk (aka Bulaga) lasts a whole season. But, that's just me.

Of the FA options footballdad listed, I've been saying for a couple months now.........try to sign Bobby Massie of CHI. The Bears have made it known they want to get younger at OT, so Massie doesn't fit in their long term plans. He's 5 months younger than Bulaga.........so age is "a push" in my book.

But let's dive a little deeper into the "availability" comparison between Bulaga and Massie.

For their careers.................
Bulaga - (9 seasons) 95 of 144 games (65.97% availability)
Massie - (7 seasons) 92 of 112 games (82.14% availability)
I'll take 80+ availability over 65.

My suggestion would be to sign Massie (depending on his market/asking price) to a 4 year deal that gives you "an out" after 2nd-3rd year.
Also, in this draft, you draft an OT......3rd round?..........someone like Andre Dillard or Kaleb McCrary. I would also draft an OG with the #30 pick or #44 pick. Best one available is fine with me, although I personally like Chris Lindstrom of BC.

There are always more OG's in the draft than there are OT's because many "decent" college OT's transitions to OG in the NFL. Only the creme de la creme college OT's make it in the NFL. And, typically, many 1st/2nd round drafted OG's end up starting from Day 1 in the NFL because it's just an easier position to transition to from college. OT's take more time...........NFL is a different animal from college.


Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 24, 2019, 04:05:25 PM
They have definitely liked Lucas Patrick for awhile and have been trying to groom him.  He has some nasty in him.  They love the way McCray competes on a daily basis and he has added mass.

The salary cap clearly prohibits a team from signing star players at every position.  For a team to make it deep into the playoffs, and win the SB, it can require a bit of luck on the injury side.  There is a degree to which a team must catch lightening in a bottle and get production from players that is beyond their contracts.  Bulaga, Patrick, and McCray all offer this opportunity.  That being said, I think that it is too much of a gamble to roll into next year without adding another body on that side.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Scott1956 on January 24, 2019, 04:37:24 PM
The O-Line needs two starters and a backup that can actually play both RG and RT. I really don't care how they do it. Draft both positions in the first round or get at least one from free agency. Then the new coach needs to re-wire Rodgers to throw on time much more than the last few years. If they can solidify the O-Line, they can get back to winning 11 - 13 games. One other thing, they have to be able to run block! I know the stats that state the running game is really pretty good. But it's really not! If you can't run the ball on 3rd or 4th and 1 yard, you're not a good running team.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: footballdad on January 25, 2019, 02:38:04 AM
I'm probably in the minority, but I would rather see them draft o-line and use free agency on the defensive side of the ball this year. IMO there is more proven, available talent at positions of need there. We need an edge/olb and a safety at minimum. With Dee Ford possibly out there and Preston Smith at OLB and Landon Collins and Tyrann Mathieu at safety, the big dollars may be better spent.
There are some good lineman in the draft that will be available in the early rounds.

Cody Ford could step in at RG immediately and move to RT if BB were to miss time. Should be mid 1st/2nd round.
Dalton Risner has the ability (IMO) to step in and play G/C , and possibly tackle as well. Should come off the board late 1st to mid 2nd round.
Chris Lindstrom would step in and be an immediate starter at RG. Should be there with our 2nd round pick.

Best thing is, these guys come cheaper and younger.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Hands on January 25, 2019, 06:18:01 AM
I agree in using FA for defense and the draft for offense, but not this year. The player pool is heavily weighed to the defense this year. Which is good since Green Bay needs help there. I think the 4th round is where the Pack will grab their OT players and may even double dip in Max Scharping from No. IL. and Tytus Howard from AL. St. Both are around 6-6 and over 300#s with quick feet and movement skills. Both OTs could go higher because of lack of o-line depth but still see the 4th as a target rich w/ linemen.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on January 25, 2019, 10:40:52 AM
...Best thing is, these guys come cheaper and younger.

From the perspective of talent-acquisition resources, to use two 1st/2nd rounders on OL is a pretty high resource resource allocation.  But, if you got good starters from both, I wouldn't fault it. 

Much of the problem the Packers have had is allocating so many high picks to defensive players who ended up being not very useful (2nd round Jones, Datone, etc.; and of course Spriggs too.  I know, it's premature, maybe Josh Jackson and Jones will both turn out very useful; it's too soon to know yet....)
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on January 25, 2019, 02:06:16 PM
Drafting Cody Ford works until he has to go to OT for an injured Bulaga. Then you have a hole at RG again and a novice at OT. We'd be better off subbing Spriggs (yes, I said that) instead of a position change for a rookie in mid-season. Logic people.

I still favor signing a RT in FA. I've mentioned Bobby Massie, but how about Jordan Mills. Plus Gute says he likes the group they have competeing at RG. Maybe that's misinformation as we head towards FA. Maybe not? Either way, I'll let those chips fall where they may.

Read some stuff from the Senior Bowl and the player I've favored at Guard for the Packers, Chris Lindstrom, has had a sensational week in Mobile. He's still my target with either #30 or #44. He's a plug and play player, and not a former OT who is changing to OG. He's a true OG.

Then draft a D&D OT in the 3rd or 4th. Agree with Hands here. This draft has heavy talent this year at DL and Edge players. Let's focus on getting a couple difference makers for the defensive front 7 with our primary picks.

If.......IF.........one of the top shelf Edge-OLB free agents makes it to the market, and as coveted as they are by teams, Green Bay doesn't stand a snow balls chance in **** of sniffing that guy. Does anyone know how much money teams have to spend this year? Seven (7) teams have over $50M, and two of those have over $90M.

According to Spotrac, Green Bay is ranked 16th in cap space at just over $33M.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/ (https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/2019/)

Forget about getting a difference maker at OLB in free agency. And if you persist with that notion, I want to know what your smoking, cuz it must be good.

Safety, we might have a shot at Collins, but he may get tagged as well. I was in favor of Mathieu, until someone here said he wants to stay in Houston. So maybe Adrian Amos (CHI) might be an option.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: footballdad on January 25, 2019, 03:41:02 PM
Hey Danno......see your point on the pricetag. Like Lindstrom as well.

Not smokin' anything though.............

Good points by all. Agree to disagree?
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 25, 2019, 03:44:36 PM
I'm probably in the minority, but I would rather see them draft o-line and use free agency on the defensive side of the ball this year. IMO there is more proven, available talent at positions of need there. We need an edge/olb and a safety at minimum. With Dee Ford possibly out there and Preston Smith at OLB and Landon Collins and Tyrann Mathieu at safety, the big dollars may be better spent.
There are some good lineman in the draft that will be available in the early rounds.

Cody Ford could step in at RG immediately and move to RT if BB were to miss time. Should be mid 1st/2nd round.
Dalton Risner has the ability (IMO) to step in and play G/C , and possibly tackle as well. Should come off the board late 1st to mid 2nd round.
Chris Lindstrom would step in and be an immediate starter at RG. Should be there with our 2nd round pick.

Best thing is, these guys come cheaper and younger.
I don't think Dee Ford is going anywhere plus he said that he would not complain about being tagged.

I think that S is where Gute might make a play in FA as the market at S is already depressed. 

OL is the position group that is kinda sprinkled through this draft.  That is ideal for GB with the number of picks and possible packages that Gute can put together to target someone that he likes or just wait for him to fall to GB.  Such a critical draft...

Great stats footballdad...thank you...
Title: Re: O line
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 25, 2019, 05:21:14 PM
Hey Danno......see your point on the pricetag. Like Lindstrom as well.

Listened to the Tony Pauline  podcast (Draftanalyst .com) after day two of the Senior Bowl.

Lindstrom (Boston College, 6'4", 310), seems to be one of his favourite guys there, and looks like a good prospect. He liked Javon Patterson (Ole Miss, 6'3", 314) as well.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 26, 2019, 10:16:42 AM
Massie is off the market.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on January 26, 2019, 10:30:00 AM
Massie is off the market.

So much for the Chicago Sportwriters saying the Bears were willing to move on from him. Continuity trumps youth.

I'll keep an eye on Jordan Mills.

If they keep Bulaga, then that's the way the chips fall. I think it's a big risk. But for the sake of "continuity", it may be what they choose to do.

I was of the opinion that since they will be installing a whole new offense, only one year left on his contract, AND BB's injury history, that this would be the right time to make move on.........sign a veteran for a reasonably short window and draft/groom a future RT.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: footballdad on January 26, 2019, 10:45:20 AM
How about Edwards from Wisconsin? Would appear to be a good fit for a zone blocking scheme. May be there @ #44.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on January 26, 2019, 01:08:40 PM
..My thought:...2.  Sign a FA guard who is variably better than Bell..../quote]

Somebody better call Gute! I don't think he knows he's supposed to get a FA Guard!

Quote
....Gutekunst praised starting left guard Lane Taylor and pointed to Lucas Patrick, Justin McCray and even undrafted free agent Alex Light as three young players capable of playing right guard next season.

So, maybe you're right, and perhaps the Packers love the status quo and will stick with that.  So, suppose:
1.  Gute loves his collection of guards. 
2.  Bakhti was just honored as the best pass-blocking tackle in the league, right? 
3.  Many posters view Bulaga as very good when he plays; good value-per-dollar if he plays most games, and the FA alternatives are few and pricey. 
4.  Recent PPF metric suggested the Packers as a whole had a fabulous pass-blocking performance this season and gave Rodgers gobs of time. 
5.  RT has posted other metrics suggesting the Packers had a great run-blocking line, with average yards-before-contact being either best-in-league or top-5. 

So, maybe Gute and LaFleur are going to buy into those numbers, and say everything was great with the line last year.  If it's excellent in giving Rodgers time, and it's excellent in blocking for yards before contact, where's the urgency?
 Spend a development pick to perhaps succeed Bulaga, but perhaps no priority or urgency whatsoever? 
Title: Re: O line
Post by: craig on January 26, 2019, 02:04:08 PM
So, if RT's metric is right, that the line was a top-end run blocking group (yards before contact), and PPF's is right that Packers were elite in giving Rodgers time, how should I think about that? 
*Is that really true, was I seeing an elite o-line last year, an elite combo of both pass-blocking and run-blocking excellence? 
*If so, why did Rodgers seem to be scrambling so often, and getting sacked so often, and throwing so many balls away?  To me, it seemed like 3rd down was kind of an automatic blitz-city, and that Rodgers rarely had time....   Just total misperception by me? 
*Are the metrics perhaps misleading to some degree?  Does Rodgers holding the ball and scrambling so much add time that PPF end up crediting to the o-line?  Or is there analysis much too sophisticated to be impacted?   
*I guess I never felt like the offense was really good or in control.  Yet if these metrics suggest we had a great-great o-line for both passing and running; most of the board is quite happy with Jones as a runner; Rodgers is still viewed as a GOAT candidate; the board loves Adams; and the board likes the rookie receivers enough so that I see very little clamor to prioritize WR in the draft.  But if the o-line is great and all of the surrounding pieces are pretty good and maybe great besides, is that what we actually saw on the field? 

Perhaps the line is that good, and it just speaks to how poor Rodgers' decision-making and accuracy was, and he's the primary culprit?  Or maybe Rodgers isn't bad but isn't GOAT-ish anymore; AND the WR aren't as good as we think; AND the o-line isn't actually as good as the metrics might suggest?  Or maybe it's all great, and it's all on MM?  I just don't even know how to think about the problems the offense had! 
Title: Re: O line
Post by: dannobanano on January 26, 2019, 03:23:00 PM
Craig, metrics, stats, and ratings are fine, but sometimes you have to add context to the equation.

They are likely going to install a blocking scheme that may be marginally different from before. Can't say that with 100% confidence, but it's possible. So there will be a learning curve for all players.

BB is in the final year of his contract. New offense, final contract year, high injury risk may all factor in as to whether or not the keep BB this season.

Drafting an OT to replace BB makes sense, but will that player be ready to step in right away next year? Aren't we still waiting for Spriggs to show us something?

There's no guarantee that a draft pick this year will be ready next year. sometimes it take 2 or more years for that draft pick to take over. No?!

Do you think we should extend BB beyond this year to give a draft pick that time to develop?
Or does it make sense to try to sign a FA to a 3-4 yr deal structurerd to give the Packers an out after the 2nd-3rd year?

Lot's of moving parts to consider. It isn't just that BB is an excellent RT.......WHEN he's healthy. There's more to consider.

That's part of my point
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 26, 2019, 03:58:28 PM
If GB could draft Dalton Risner in the second then I think everyone in this thread would be happy.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: Shinesman on January 26, 2019, 04:18:41 PM
I've hear it before on this board. That line did not pass the eyeball test. Jones had to side step guys in the backfield numerous times, Rodgers was scrambling from defenders immediately most of the time, and on 3rd down it was almost a guaranteed sack late in the year. Somehow that adds up to elite?  Wondering how. If we had dominators in the offensive trench, we would have won a lot of games. And Rodgers would have been having a super-year with stats. But we didnt, and he didnt.

As for Gutes praise.... when have you ever seen a GM say... yea, our cupboard is full of used paper plates at that position. And so and so is barely qualified for a high school team....

He is being political.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 26, 2019, 05:47:35 PM
I've hear it before on this board. That line did not pass the eyeball test. Jones had to side step guys in the backfield numerous times, Rodgers was scrambling from defenders immediately most of the time, and on 3rd down it was almost a guaranteed sack late in the year. Somehow that adds up to elite?  Wondering how. If we had dominators in the offensive trench, we would have won a lot of games. And Rodgers would have been having a super-year with stats. But we didnt, and he didnt.

As for Gutes praise.... when have you ever seen a GM say... yea, our cupboard is full of used paper plates at that position. And so and so is barely qualified for a high school team....

He is being political.
I think that everyone agrees that there is room for improvement.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on January 27, 2019, 11:19:30 AM
Never listen to what coaches/GMs/scouts belonging to a team, say at this time of year. There is so much misinformation floating around.......and worse.

Would you make a bet that the person who a couple of years ago, put up the picture of a top offensive tackle in a gas mask smoking a bong (and it was done just before the draft), was NOT on the team that eventually drafted him ? I wouldn't be comfortable making that bet.

It's cold comfort (because it doesn't tell us much in advance of the draft) but it's actions that show the real thinking. I tend to trust a few sites for independent comment before the draft, but not that many. Bleacher Report, Draftanalyst, Draft Network, Great Blue North, have credibility (in my eyes).
Title: Re: O line
Post by: TAYLORBOY on January 27, 2019, 03:32:53 PM
As far as Bulaga having to learn a new scheme....Iowa has run a zone scheme since Kirt has been HC...BB has plenty of experience

AS far  AS Rodgers SCRAMBLING SO MUCH..

I remember an article about the O and Bulaga was questioned about some of the breakdowns in the OL in pass pro


A little irritated Bulaga said that no-one knows why there is pressure sometimes...some is real... some is manufactiured.


BB said there are times in the huddle Rodgers would ask BB if he could let his man come inside or outside to create a hole for Rodgers to escape the packet and have a scramble drill.

To the naked eye it looks like th eOT was beat by the DE ands forced Rodgers to scramble when in fact it is what Rodgers wanted to do....

Just maybe it fooled the HC also
Title: Re: O line
Post by: #66 on January 27, 2019, 08:45:52 PM
Never listen to what coaches/GMs/scouts belonging to a team, say at this time of year. There is so much misinformation floating around.......and worse.

Would you make a bet that the person who a couple of years ago, put up the picture of a top offensive tackle in a gas mask smoking a bong (and it was done just before the draft), was NOT on the team that eventually drafted him ? I wouldn't be comfortable making that bet.

It's cold comfort (because it doesn't tell us much in advance of the draft) but it's actions that show the real thinking. I tend to trust a few sites for independent comment before the draft, but not that many. Bleacher Report, Draftanalyst, Draft Network, Great Blue North, have credibility (in my eyes).
I followed that story closely and it was almost surely his stepfather. That being said, your overall point is valid.

Safety is the position where GB can potentially get value in FA.

As far as the draft and what can be predicted pre-combine, I am thinking less and less that Williams would slide to GB. It makes too much sense for NYG to snag him and continue to rebuild their OL - especially with an aging Manning.
Title: Re: O line
Post by: footballdad on February 01, 2019, 02:49:55 AM
From a versatility standpoint, I really like Risner. He can play basically any position and hold his own. Some scouts see him as a RT, others at G. Either way, with BB's health and looming free agency it would be a good idea to find a suitable replacement now. Best case scenario - BB plays 16 games at a high level and Risner plays RG. Worst case - BB injured again - no worries, Risner takes over.
Cody Ford IMO could pretty much do the same. Shooting up draft boards though and probably will not be there at #12 let alone #30.
Chris Lindstrom would be an outstanding addition at RG. Possibly there at #44.
If they can find a pass rush guy at #12 AND sign a starting caliber free safety in free agency, taking Risner at #30 and Lindstrom at #44 makes a lot of sense. To me anyway.............
Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on February 27, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
Ian Rapoport

Verified account
 
@RapSheet
Follow
Follow @RapSheet
 
More
The #Browns are giving LT Greg Robinson a 1-year deal worth up to $9M including play-time incentives, source said. $7M base value.


Andy Herman

@SconnieSports
Follow
Follow @SconnieSports
 
More
Andy Herman Retweeted Ian Rapoport
Yeah pretty sure Bryan Bulaga is still a steal at $8.2 mil this year.

It should be coming into focus why cutting Bulaga is not a good idea.
 
Title: Re: O line
Post by: RT on February 27, 2019, 08:55:01 PM


Michael Cohen

@Michael_Cohen13


LaFleur said the movement ability of offensive linemen is critical in the outside zone scheme. He wants big men who can run and get off the ball quickly. #Packers

Do not see any change in draft appoach here for the Packers, they have always focused on big men who had good movement skills. Heavy legged RT types need not apply.