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Title: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: RT on October 30, 2018, 12:50:09 PM
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Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: RT on October 30, 2018, 12:51:03 PM
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Ha Ha Clinton-Dix ... to Washington
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: dannobanano on October 30, 2018, 12:54:21 PM
I wonder what the come will be, if true?
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Shinesman on October 30, 2018, 12:56:36 PM
Haha Traded to the skins. Montgomery traded to Baltimore. And somehow, the Rams have acquired Dante Fowler.... how in the shit can we not land any of these good defenders at positions of need.....
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: RT on October 30, 2018, 01:00:22 PM
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In both trades, you could argue addition by subtraction. Especially with Ha Ha Clinton-Dix. #Packers tried making him a team leader, but that always felt like stuffing a square peg into a round hole.

Team leaders don't broadcast their intent to play elsewhere during a season.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: RT on October 30, 2018, 01:01:22 PM
Receive 2019 4th-Rd Pick From Redskins In Trade For S Ha Ha Clinton-Dix.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: GBRoCk2 on October 30, 2018, 01:04:59 PM
Something is better than nothing I suppose with Dix, I wanted him gone but I was hoping for a serviceable player in return.

Whitehead and Brice at safety will be a circus.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Shinesman on October 30, 2018, 01:06:56 PM
This almost seems like the team is mailing it in and banking on a big offseason with the draft and free agency.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Raff on October 30, 2018, 01:09:19 PM
What a stupid move.

 >:(  thumbsdwn)
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Shinesman on October 30, 2018, 01:13:23 PM
What a stupid move.

 >:(  thumbsdwn)

I think they just wanted him moved, because that's a low pick we accepted for a safety who can play like an all-star when he wants to.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on October 30, 2018, 01:13:31 PM
I'm really surprised by this one. I thought they'd at least let the season play out. There are options at Safety on the roster, but we're looking at: Brice, Whitehead and Jones. Maybe they're going to move Tramon?
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: dannobanano on October 30, 2018, 01:19:27 PM
I'm really surprised by this one. I thought they'd at least let the season play out. There are options at Safety on the roster, but we're looking at: Brice, Whitehead and Jones. Maybe they're going to move Tramon?
Or Breeland?
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Divot on October 30, 2018, 01:48:24 PM
2 years ago he made the pro bowl because of his ints.   I was never that high on him but that was a good year.   This year he has been horrible, last year was double horrible.   Take a peek at any of the big plays against us, Ha Ha is never in position.   He might be the best we have/had right now but there was no way he was going to be a Packer next year.  I'll take a 4th for sure.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Donzo on October 30, 2018, 01:52:07 PM
This year he has been horrible.

 facepalm)
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Whiskey Sam on October 30, 2018, 01:55:53 PM
This almost seems like the team is mailing it in and banking on a big offseason with the draft and free agency.

Certainly seems the front office doesn't see them as contenders this year.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: The GM on October 30, 2018, 02:03:44 PM
Im looking at a potential housecleaning this offseason.  Matthews and most of the FAs gone, McCarthy gone.  New coach, new FAs, 2 #1 picks to play with. 
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: ricky on October 30, 2018, 02:06:38 PM
What a stupid move.

 >:(  thumbsdwn)

Clinton-Dix was not given a new contract during the off-season. Clinton-Dix had made it clear he was not returning to the Packers. What league mandated would the team have gotten for him when he signed with a new team? Last year, the Packers lost Janis and Burnett, but are not expected to get compensation because of the FA signings of Tramon Williams and Jimmy Graham. So, the Packers have gotten a decent draft pick (Bakhtiari was drafted in the fourth round), so now they have gotten compensation for a player they weren't going to retain, and can still sign a decent FA without fear of losing any compensation. What will they do to replace him in the defensive backfield? Whitehead, Jones or Greene will have to be that proverbial "next man up". 
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: JerryA on October 30, 2018, 02:15:51 PM
This is a classic addition by subtraction...Team will be better of without
1.  HAHA...guy couldn't tackle and had no ball skills... replace will be better
2. Ty...other 2 RB's will get more touches with having to give Ty his few 6 + snaps per game.
The only part missing was to replace Zook!
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: dannobanano on October 30, 2018, 02:18:12 PM
What a stupid move.

 >:(  thumbsdwn)

Clinton-Dix was not given a new contract during the off-season. Clinton-Dix had made it clear he was not returning to the Packers. What league mandated would the team have gotten for him when he signed with a new team? Last year, the Packers lost Janis and Burnett, but are not expected to get compensation because of the FA signings of Tramon Williams and Jimmy Graham. So, the Packers have gotten a decent draft pick (Bakhtiari was drafted in the fourth round), so now they have gotten compensation for a player they weren't going to retain, and can still sign a decent FA without fear of losing any compensation. What will they do to replace him in the defensive backfield? Whitehead, Jones or Greene will have to be that proverbial "next man up".

There was some talk a while back that Josh Jackson may be better at Safety than CB.

Maybe that talk resurfaces now.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: ricky on October 30, 2018, 02:23:29 PM
Im looking at a potential housecleaning this offseason.  Matthews and most of the FAs gone, McCarthy gone.  New coach, new FAs, 2 #1 picks to play with.

This sounds very probable. The only problem, of course, is that Rodgers will have lost another season to mistakes, mediocrity and miscues.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Whiskey Sam on October 30, 2018, 02:36:26 PM
Im looking at a potential housecleaning this offseason.  Matthews and most of the FAs gone, McCarthy gone.  New coach, new FAs, 2 #1 picks to play with.

This sounds very probable. The only problem, of course, is that Rodgers will have lost another season to mistakes, mediocrity and miscues.

That's really the crucial piece. They should be in win-now mode for the final years of Rodgers' career. We don't want a replay of Favre's final years.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: PackerYakker on October 30, 2018, 02:45:26 PM
What a stupid move.

 >:(  thumbsdwn)

The stupid move was not so much trading HHCD, it was failing to acquire a competent player to replace him.

GB is set to field the leagues worst safety group down the stretch. No physical enforcer, no competent cover guy and no reliable tackler in the bunch. The plan seems to be either play unproven players, who couldn't beat out the woeful Brice, or convert one of their CB's who's never practiced at or played the position.   

HHCD was your typical SS, too stiff/slow to cover and an average open-field tackler. Still, he was clearly their best player at the position. If they were set to move on, why didn't they sign or trade for a vet to replace him? Eric Reid could've been signed for the money they'll save unloading HHCD. Adding a late 4th in '19 is fine but it doesn't do squat for this years prospects. They took a half-step back with the division still up for grabs. That's dumb. 

 
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: rock county on October 30, 2018, 04:08:14 PM
I don't get the trading of HHCD. 

Keep him for balance of season, let him go FA, sign a decent contract with somebody else, then maybe get an comparable compensatory draft pick?

Makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Raff on October 30, 2018, 05:19:35 PM
So, is this part of something personal between Gutekunst and Ted Thompson?

He is apparently doing everything he can to purge any and all Ted Thompson's draft picks?

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/10/30/gm-brian-gutekunst-continues-gutting-packers-roster-at-trade-deadline/
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: B on October 30, 2018, 05:22:02 PM
I don't get the trading of HHCD. 

Keep him for balance of season, let him go FA, sign a decent contract with somebody else, then maybe get an comparable compensatory draft pick?

Makes no sense to me.

I hear you RC, it is a bit mind boggling.
I take PFF ratings with a grain of salt, but Pro Football Focus' top two graded safeties so far this year are Washington's D.J. Swearinger and ... Haha Clinton-Dix.

Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Shinesman on October 30, 2018, 06:13:33 PM
I still think the best shot is to put Tramon at free safety, Josh Jones at strong safety, Alexander and King on the outside, with Jackson and Breeland playing the slot and dime spots. Really think they missed on a chance to grab an edge rusher in the trade window. Doesnt matter the coverage if the front end cant get home.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: PackerJoe on October 31, 2018, 05:15:11 AM
He's been horrible the last two years!  Coverage skills were terrible, tackling terrible, etc.  He wasn't performing as a below average safety.  Too bad they didn't trade him sooner.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Donzo on October 31, 2018, 05:46:50 AM
He's been horrible the last two years!  Coverage skills were terrible, tackling terrible, etc.  He wasn't performing as a below average safety.

 facepalm)
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: SB XLIX on October 31, 2018, 06:47:38 AM
If they lose Ha in FA, the most they could get is a late 4th compensatory pick in 2020.  More likely a 5th.
With the trade, they get a mid to late 3rd in 2019.
So it could be argued that they ARE in win now mode, swapping a 2020 5th for a 2019 4th.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Whiskey Sam on October 31, 2018, 06:55:26 AM
If they lose Ha in FA, the most they could get is a late 4th compensatory pick in 2020.  More likely a 5th.
With the trade, they get a mid to late 3rd in 2019.
So it could be argued that they ARE in win now mode, swapping a 2020 5th for a 2019 4th.

Contrast the Rams, best record in football, who added to their team, and GB who sold off players. GB is clearly not in win-now mode this year.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Donzo on October 31, 2018, 07:04:43 AM
If they lose Ha in FA, the most they could get is a late 4th compensatory pick in 2020.  More likely a 5th.


The Packers wont get comp picks next year and if the Packers are aggressive in free agency, as expected, they won't get comp picks in 2020 either.

So, this looks like a net gain of  a 4th in 2019.

Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: SB XLIX on October 31, 2018, 07:08:01 AM
We all know that the GB front office has a fundamental opposition to trading a draft pick, any draft pick.
I cannot imagine them being willing to trade a future draft pick for anyone at the trade deadline.  That is just the way it has been.

Also, if anyone but Ty is returning the kickoff, there is a higher probability of winning the game, so trading him is win now.  Besides, MM didn't know how to use him.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: RT on October 31, 2018, 07:49:48 AM
If they lose Ha in FA, the most they could get is a late 4th compensatory pick in 2020.  More likely a 5th.


The Packers wont get comp picks next year and if the Packers are aggressive in free agency, as expected, they won't get comp picks in 2020 either.

So, this looks like a net gain of  a 4th in 2019.

All correct!  thumbsup)
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Shinesman on October 31, 2018, 07:50:57 AM
We all know that the GB front office has a fundamental opposition to trading a draft pick, any draft pick.
I cannot imagine them being willing to trade a future draft pick for anyone at the trade deadline.  That is just the way it has been.

Also, if anyone but Ty is returning the kickoff, there is a higher probability of winning the game, so trading him is win now.  Besides, MM didn't know how to use him.

You are right, MM did not know how to use him. He should have been used the way that Atlanta uses Tevin Coleman. It will be interesting if he goes to Baltimore and they make him a versatile all purpose back who excels in big games.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: ricky on October 31, 2018, 09:34:36 AM
If they lose Ha in FA, the most they could get is a late 4th compensatory pick in 2020.  More likely a 5th.


The Packers wont get comp picks next year and if the Packers are aggressive in free agency, as expected, they won't get comp picks in 2020 either.

So, this looks like a net gain of  a 4th in 2019.

Gutekunst has stated that he is indeed ready to be more aggtessive in FA next year:

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/10/31/packers-g-m-free-agent-strategy-factored-into-trade/

Good call, Donzo.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Donzo on October 31, 2018, 01:11:44 PM
Thanks, but I can't take credit for calling that... I've been paying attention to the situation and this is the consensus train of thought.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Gregg on October 31, 2018, 11:30:37 PM
Like others I don't understand this trade.

The only way it makes sense is that GB did not want to pay him next year and wanted to get something for him.

Or, perhaps they think they see someone at CB who can play safety. 

I was not a big fan of HHCD but the was our one decent FS.  Brice is more like a SS.  HHCD knows how to float and break up or intercept passes.

I hope we make a good pick with the fourth.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Gregg on November 01, 2018, 07:03:46 PM
Well I was right.  Tramon is going to move to safety.
Title: Re: Ha Ha traded?
Post by: Shinesman on November 01, 2018, 07:18:35 PM
Well I was right.  Tramon is going to move to safety.

Did they announce that? Hopefully Josh Jones goes to strong safety. Then King, Alexander, Jackson and Breeland can man the CB spots.