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Title: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: footballdad on April 25, 2019, 02:50:57 AM
In a good or bad way?

Good - Quinnen Williams drops far enough that #12 and #30 swing the deal or they trade back a few spots and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd. Devin White falls to 12.

Bad - Selecting any QB. Picking DK Metcalf @12. Simmons available @ 30 and they pass.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 25, 2019, 03:38:57 AM
Packers give up their #30 pick for a first next year. Not calling it good or bad, just shocking.

Trading away #12 (for picks next year) would be even more shocking, but (imo) much less likely.

Drafting Rashan Gary at #12 would be shocking in a bad way. So would a receiver at #12 . Drafting Simmons or Ferrell at #30 would be shocking in a good way.

Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 06:21:18 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 06:41:44 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.

I have felt that the market for Simmons started at 24 with Oakland and their 2nd pick in the first round, but when Seattle landed a second 1st rounder from KC, I lowered that to the 21st pick. But I understand the logic there, an uninjured Simmons would be a top 3-5 pick in this draft and the Packers are probably looking to draft Daniels replacement for next year in this years draft. The but here for me is that the Packers have no history of drafting such players, just the opposite in that they normally avoid the injured. The few times they didn't it hasn't worked out so well, Justin Harrell is the first name to come to mind for me. 
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: rock county on April 25, 2019, 06:49:16 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.


Anybody remember Justin Harrell?  Just kinda similar circumstances
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 06:52:02 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.

I have felt that the market for Simmons started at 24 with Oakland and their 2nd pick in the first round, but when Seattle landed a second 1st rounder from KC, I lowered that to the 21st pick. But I understand the logic there, an uninjured Simmons would be a top 3-5 pick in this draft and the Packers are probably looking to draft Daniels replacement for next year in this years draft. The but here for me is that the Packers have no history of drafting such players, just the opposite in that they normally avoid the injured. The few times they didn't it hasn't worked out so well, Justin Harrell is the first name to come to mind for me.

Same here, thought the exact same thing about Harrell after processing McGinns pick.  BTW, McGinn picked Thornhill at 30.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 06:55:37 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.

I have felt that the market for Simmons started at 24 with Oakland and their 2nd pick in the first round, but when Seattle landed a second 1st rounder from KC, I lowered that to the 21st pick. But I understand the logic there, an uninjured Simmons would be a top 3-5 pick in this draft and the Packers are probably looking to draft Daniels replacement for next year in this years draft. The but here for me is that the Packers have no history of drafting such players, just the opposite in that they normally avoid the injured. The few times they didn't it hasn't worked out so well, Justin Harrell is the first name to come to mind for me.

Same here, thought the exact same thing about Harrell after processing McGinns pick.  BTW, McGinn picked Thornhill at 30.

I personally think Thornhill is the #1 perfect fit in this draft for the Packers, will be interesting to see if he is there and the Packers feel the same way.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: PackerJoe on April 25, 2019, 07:10:51 AM
AZ trades #1 to Oakland and they don't draft Kyler Murray!  (IE Quinnen Williams is the pick)  As for us, White falls to us at 12!
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 07:21:47 AM
AZ trades #1 to Oakland and they don't draft Kyler Murray!  (IE Quinnen Williams is the pick)  As for us, White falls to us at 12!

I believe you are right in that the Raiders are angling for Williams. They have been pushing the idea that they love Dwayne Haskins and letting the media run with it. Their hope, Murray (1) - Bosa (2) - hoping Washington or NY Giants trade up to 3 and select Haskins (3) and Williams is theirs without giving up draft capital. Will be interesting to see if it works. One of the many subplots being played out today.   
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 07:38:43 AM
AZ trades #1 to Oakland and they don't draft Kyler Murray!  (IE Quinnen Williams is the pick)  As for us, White falls to us at 12!

I believe you are right in that the Raiders are angling for Williams. They have been pushing the idea that they love Dwayne Haskins and letting the media run with it. Their hope, Murray (1) - Bosa (2) - hoping Washington or NY Giants trade up to 3 and select Haskins (3) and Williams is theirs without giving up draft capital. Will be interesting to see if it works. One of the many subplots being played out today.

Packers could be doing the same thing with Drew Lock.  Getting teams to come up in front of 12 or 30, allowing 1 more prospect to slip to them. 
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: bmaafi on April 25, 2019, 08:00:54 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.


Anybody remember Justin Harrell?  Just kinda similar circumstances

At least Harrell was healthy when he was drafted and did play as a rookie. You take Simmons at 12 you are basically punting on making the playoffs this season, IMO. He wont play this season he just tore his ACL in February.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: bmaafi on April 25, 2019, 08:04:31 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.

I have felt that the market for Simmons started at 24 with Oakland and their 2nd pick in the first round, but when Seattle landed a second 1st rounder from KC, I lowered that to the 21st pick. But I understand the logic there, an uninjured Simmons would be a top 3-5 pick in this draft and the Packers are probably looking to draft Daniels replacement for next year in this years draft. The but here for me is that the Packers have no history of drafting such players, just the opposite in that they normally avoid the injured. The few times they didn't it hasn't worked out so well, Justin Harrell is the first name to come to mind for me.

Same here, thought the exact same thing about Harrell after processing McGinns pick.  BTW, McGinn picked Thornhill at 30.

I personally think Thornhill is the #1 perfect fit in this draft for the Packers, will be interesting to see if he is there and the Packers feel the same way.

There are like four safeties to me who would be all great fits in GB I would have them as 1a/1b/1c/1d . Thornhill, Adderley, CGJ, and Savage. All some what similar players. All four are free safeties and all four are versatile and can play the slot. I would be happy with any of those four at 30
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: dbishop on April 25, 2019, 08:27:29 AM

Simmons at #12 would blow my mind.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 08:28:38 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.


Anybody remember Justin Harrell?  Just kinda similar circumstances

At least Harrell was healthy when he was drafted and did play as a rookie. You take Simmons at 12 you are basically punting on making the playoffs this season, IMO. He wont play this season he just tore his ACL in February.

That is a little drastic don't you think. The main reason the Packers make or don't make the playoffs this season will be the guys already in their locker room and not the rookies added in the next several days.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: WTX_Cheese on April 25, 2019, 08:36:45 AM
Taking a receiver in the 1st would blow my mind.

Trading up into the Top 10 for anyone would blow my mind.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 08:45:06 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.

I have felt that the market for Simmons started at 24 with Oakland and their 2nd pick in the first round, but when Seattle landed a second 1st rounder from KC, I lowered that to the 21st pick. But I understand the logic there, an uninjured Simmons would be a top 3-5 pick in this draft and the Packers are probably looking to draft Daniels replacement for next year in this years draft. The but here for me is that the Packers have no history of drafting such players, just the opposite in that they normally avoid the injured. The few times they didn't it hasn't worked out so well, Justin Harrell is the first name to come to mind for me.

Same here, thought the exact same thing about Harrell after processing McGinns pick.  BTW, McGinn picked Thornhill at 30.

I personally think Thornhill is the #1 perfect fit in this draft for the Packers, will be interesting to see if he is there and the Packers feel the same way.

There are like four safeties to me who would be all great fits in GB I would have them as 1a/1b/1c/1d . Thornhill, Adderley, CGJ, and Savage. All some what similar players. All four are free safeties and all four are versatile and can play the slot. I would be happy with any of those four at 30

We all have are opinions about prospects and that is part of the fun of the process, but don't agree with you that they are 1a/1b/1c/1d. Thornhill checks all the boxes, has the size, is the most athletic and IMO is the best ballhawk of that group. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is 5'10" and their has been character questions raised going back to January. Savage is a nice player and I love his game, but he is also 5'10" which is a negative for the Packers. And I don't believe they would draft Adderley because of the family legacy in GB, not to mention that I don't see him in the same tier as the other 3.  They all have a chance of being good pro's, just don't buy the 1a/1b/1c/1d thing.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: SET4YRS on April 25, 2019, 09:11:23 AM
 Landing both Hockenson and Burns in the 1st and still making 9-10 picks. Trade down from 12 and trade up from 30 if they fall into place. Burns/ Fant may be a reality.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 25, 2019, 09:12:10 AM
There are like four safeties to me who would be all great fits in GB I would have them as 1a/1b/1c/1d . Thornhill, Adderley, CGJ, and Savage. All some what similar players. All four are free safeties and all four are versatile and can play the slot. I would be happy with any of those four at 30

Don't discount S Deionte Thompson, he seems underrated at the moment. Amani Hooker's pretty good as well. They could both play some single high in a pinch.
I don't want us to take Taylor Rapp at #30 or #44.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 09:20:39 AM
Whats important here is getting the right player, and while we may all disagree with whoever they select throughout this draft, the ULTIMATE test is what they do in the Fall. 

The stupidest thing in sports is the NFL post draft grades given out the days after a draft.    AT THE VERY LEAST, let them actually get on the field, and prove or disprove their selection.   Different schemes, locations, coaches, and roles can sway a players performance either way.  Let each player play it out and see what happens. JMO   
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: bmaafi on April 25, 2019, 09:27:43 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.

I have felt that the market for Simmons started at 24 with Oakland and their 2nd pick in the first round, but when Seattle landed a second 1st rounder from KC, I lowered that to the 21st pick. But I understand the logic there, an uninjured Simmons would be a top 3-5 pick in this draft and the Packers are probably looking to draft Daniels replacement for next year in this years draft. The but here for me is that the Packers have no history of drafting such players, just the opposite in that they normally avoid the injured. The few times they didn't it hasn't worked out so well, Justin Harrell is the first name to come to mind for me.

Same here, thought the exact same thing about Harrell after processing McGinns pick.  BTW, McGinn picked Thornhill at 30.

I personally think Thornhill is the #1 perfect fit in this draft for the Packers, will be interesting to see if he is there and the Packers feel the same way.

There are like four safeties to me who would be all great fits in GB I would have them as 1a/1b/1c/1d . Thornhill, Adderley, CGJ, and Savage. All some what similar players. All four are free safeties and all four are versatile and can play the slot. I would be happy with any of those four at 30

We all have are opinions about prospects and that is part of the fun of the process, but don't agree with you that they are 1a/1b/1c/1d. Thornhill checks all the boxes, has the size, is the most athletic and IMO is the best ballhawk of that group. Chauncey Gardner-Johnson is 5'10" and their has been character questions raised going back to January. Savage is a nice player and I love his game, but he is also 5'10" which is a negative for the Packers. And I don't believe they would draft Adderley because of the family legacy in GB, not to mention that I don't see him in the same tier as the other 3.  They all have a chance of being good pro's, just don't buy the 1a/1b/1c/1d thing.

true, that is why I stated it was my opinion basically to me we cant go wrong with any of them to me. Just FYI though CGJ was 5/10 7/8ths at the combine so 5'11 which is well within the packers minimum height for a DB. Savage was 5'10 3/4 again within the packers minimums. Nick Collins was 5'11 so their height shouldn't be a problem(not saying either of them will be as good as him).
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: ricky on April 25, 2019, 11:26:09 AM
Bob McGinn's mock today has us taking Jeff Simmons at 12.  I try to expect the unexpected, but that stopped me in my tracks.


Anybody remember Justin Harrell?  Just kinda similar circumstances

Simmons, the good: https://www.nfl.com/prospects/jeffery-simmons?id=32195349-4d20-4336-493b-a309c446eb8f

Yes, there is the altercation and beating of a woman- well, if that isn't enough, then everything is good. But this seems like a deal breaker.

Simmons, the injury: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001017723/article/mississippi-st-dt-jeffery-simmons-suffers-torn-acl

The comparison to Harrell is not exact. Harrell was injury prone from high school through college, and could never get rid of that jinx. Simmons has a serious injury, but this doesn't seem to be a chronic problem for him. The question being, will the injury affect his effectiveness on the field? So, over look abuse of a female, and hope the injury won't be recurring and will not affect his game. Big, big gamble at #12, or even #30.

Biggest possible shock? The Packers decide to draft a QB in the first round.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 02:39:39 PM
In a good or bad way?

Good - Quinnen Williams drops far enough that #12 and #30 swing the deal or they trade back a few spots and pick up an extra 2nd or 3rd. Devin White falls to 12.

Bad - Selecting any QB. Picking DK Metcalf @12. Simmons available @ 30 and they pass.


The trade to the 3rd pick with the Jets if Williams is still there may be a real possibility. Jets General Manager Mike Maccagnan is in a must win this year or he is out situation and he needs picks this year. All the rumored offers are from teams that lack ammo this year and want to use 2020 picks to move up, Maccagnan has openly said he would take less then actual value to trade the pick. The Packers have more quality picks to trade than the teams rumored to want to trade up. What are the odds? I would guess 10% at best, but I believe it is still something worth watching at the start of the draft.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/19/report-jets-determined-to-trade-down/
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 02:45:54 PM
And the plot thickens,

 
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Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: scoremore on April 25, 2019, 03:28:44 PM
Allen falls to 12 and we grab him.  We draft Lock at 12.  Yeah either of those would pretty much blow my mind.  One in a good way the other not so much.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 03:34:24 PM
Per Schefter, the Packers are trying to move up from 30. No teams or target named.

 Could be part of giving up both #1s to move up???
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 03:37:30 PM
No draft day thread this year?
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 04:29:40 PM
No draft day thread this year?
LMG just set one up in draft talk for each day.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: ramrod on April 25, 2019, 04:35:31 PM
We pick Jeffrey Simmons at 12.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: Shinesman on April 25, 2019, 05:52:36 PM
If Allen falls to 12. That would blow my mind.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: ricky on April 25, 2019, 07:01:25 PM
 Gary at #12 blew my mind. I hope Im wrong, but also at LBer? Maybe moving between end and LB? Did Pettine have a lot of say in this pick? If so, then I'd feel a lot better about the pick.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: RT on April 25, 2019, 07:05:12 PM
Gary at #12 blew my mind. I hope Im wrong, but also at LBer? Maybe moving between end and LB? Did Pettine have a lot of say in this pick? If so, then I'd feel a lot better about the pick.

He is an EDGE player in the Pettine defense. He is a Z. Smith clone, maybe even more athletic.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: ThatGuy284 on April 25, 2019, 07:07:42 PM
Took Z Smith a few years to develop into the player he is now (same as Davante Adams or Jordy Nelson et al !).  Hope fans remember that
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: The GM on April 25, 2019, 08:23:45 PM
Took Z Smith a few years to develop into the player he is now (same as Davante Adams or Jordy Nelson et al !).  Hope fans remember that

+1.  It takes time to develop.  I bet Pettine was right there when they picked him and was part of the discussion.  They know exactly what they are getting. 
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: ricky on April 25, 2019, 10:15:57 PM
Gary at #12 blew my mind. I hope Im wrong, but also at LBer? Maybe moving between end and LB? Did Pettine have a lot of say in this pick? If so, then I'd feel a lot better about the pick.

He is an EDGE player in the Pettine defense. He is a Z. Smith clone, maybe even more athletic.

Thank you. I now officially feel better. Then I read he had a shoulder issue. Apparently the Packers aren't worried. I'll do the worrying for all of us.

https://247sports.com/Article/Rashan-Gary-NFL-Draft-2019-shoulder-injury-131436967/

Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 26, 2019, 03:14:46 AM
Drafting Rashan Gary at #12 would be shocking in a bad way. So would a receiver at #12 . Drafting Simmons or Ferrell at #30 would be shocking in a good way.

Well they went and did it. Now I have to try and get on board with the pick. High upside with significant risk (not of an outright bust, but of him becoming an average player), so in coachspeak, 'high ceiling, low(ish) floor'.
Title: Re: What would blow your mind tonight?
Post by: packlaw on April 26, 2019, 04:19:55 AM
With the draft and free agency, the defensive front and safeties have been addressed.  The next biggest need is the offensive line and a good tight end.  I am hoping tonight those two areas are addressed.  It would blow my mind if they are not.  I think they will trade down and try to get one of the fourth rounders back.