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Title: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: LMG on April 25, 2019, 04:00:37 PM
This is the final day of the 2019 NFL Draft and we will open up this thread on Saturday morning.
Title: Day 3 favorites
Post by: PackerPete on April 27, 2019, 05:41:07 AM
I know Green Bay needs a running back. So here is my vote in the 7th round.  Travis Homer.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/2019-miami-hurricanes-nfl-evaluation-profile-rb-travis-homer/ar-BBW9puO

and here https://www.canesinsight.com/news/2019-nfl-draft-profile-travis-homer.6280/

He did have a fumbling issue last year but I really believe he was actually trying to hard and was behind a very poor offensive line.  He actually plays special teams already and is VERY good at it.  Good pass catcher and an excellent blocker already. And he is only a Junior.

and because GB looks hard at UM especially for late rounders and UDFA's. https://www.miamiherald.com/sports/college/acc/university-of-miami/article229554539.html

What do you alls think??
Title: Re: Day 3 favorites
Post by: packdaddy on April 27, 2019, 06:36:17 AM
Sticking to your thread title...my fave remaining is ILB Ben Burr-Kirven

Matches a pretty big need we have.
Title: Re: Day 3 favorites
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on April 27, 2019, 06:38:36 AM
For RBs, I'm for Devine Ozigbo or Elijah Holyfield in round 5, and Reggie Corbin in round 7.

Most underrated is Holyfield. Everyone was totally put off by his 4.78 40 in the combine (poor on his pro day as well), but he has outstanding vision, terrific strength (unsurprising as the son of Evander Holyfield), can pass block (as you might have guessed), a tank of a RB. For those that think 40 time is everything, I'll remind you that Jerry Rice ran a 4.71 40.
As for Reggie Corbin, check him out HERE https://youtu.be/bgQrqZJyAxw (https://youtu.be/bgQrqZJyAxw)
Title: Re: Day 3 favorites
Post by: mancl on April 27, 2019, 06:39:01 AM
The chances of any of these day 3 guys really making an impact are slim so it makes sense to swing for the fences- In other words look for upside guys.
And it makes sense to look for guys who can help with special teams.  Here are a few names.

Pollard Memphis- RB- can play RB. slot, gunner and had 7 KOR for TDs

Dillion Michell   Oregon wr- can return kicks and punts

Jeff Smith- wr  Boston College- fast, they had him in for a visit

Ballentine  washburn   corner

Olin Udoh  OT  Elon

Yosuah Nijman  OT  Va  Tech-- has a lot of tools but very raw

Title: Re: Day 3 favorites
Post by: The GM on April 27, 2019, 08:04:34 AM
Sticking to your thread title...my fave remaining is ILB Ben Burr-Kirven

Matches a pretty big need we have.

Watched him a lot at UW.  Very good football player, always around the ball.  Size is his issue.  If he was 250, he would have been drafted already.  Great range, at the very least he will be a ST ace. Kid was all over the field in college.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: mancl on April 27, 2019, 08:56:34 AM
https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/04/27/40-players-the-packers-could-target-on-day-3-of-2019-nfl-draft/
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 08:59:29 AM
I expect the Packers to draft the BPA at each spot today, but in the end with the players they draft and sign as UDFA's they will be looking to balance out the 90 man roster.

This is what last years 90 man roster looked like, QB-4 , RB-5 , WR-11 , TE/FB-8 , OL-16 , DL-9 , EDGE-8 , ILB -8 , DB-17 , ST-4.

And this is what the roster looks like as of today, QB-3 , RB-6 , WR -9 , TE/FB -6 , OL-15 , DL-9 , EDGE -7 , ILB -3 , DB -13 , ST -4

This my give us a little hint on how the Packers board has been restacked since round 3 ended last night.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 09:17:16 AM
The inactivity is making for a boring Saturday morning!  Pick 150 just seems like it is so far off. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 09:24:31 AM
The inactivity is making for a boring Saturday morning!  Pick 150 just seems like it is so far off.

Everything is very fluid right now for every team, everyone one has a few players they would love to land. Keep an eye on pick 121, if the Titans don't love someone there and the right player falls that the Packers want, look for the Packers to trade into that spot.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: SET4YRS on April 27, 2019, 09:36:23 AM
 May see a trade up for a speedy get around the edge back like Justice Hill or Mike Weber with emphasis on running the ball.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 09:41:30 AM
Redskins are insane.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 09:44:55 AM
May see a trade up for a speedy get around the edge back like Justice Hill or Mike Weber with emphasis on running the ball.

If the right RB falls I would guess they will take him, I just don't believe a trade up would involve a RB. IMHO 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 09:53:13 AM
The inactivity is making for a boring Saturday morning!  Pick 150 just seems like it is so far off.

Everything is very fluid right now for every team, everyone one has a few players they would love to land. Keep an eye on pick 121, if the Titans don't love someone there and the right player falls that the Packers want, look for the Packers to trade into that spot.

Titans say screwed it were not waiting for Hooker to fall. Packers will need a new trade partner.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 10:32:57 AM
The Chargers take Dru Transquill at #130, is that the trigger on off the ball LB's. There is still a lot of talent at that position, but their still 20 picks until the Packers pick. Also some very good DB's still on the board. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 10:49:59 AM
Mack Wilson would be awesome, but I don't see him falling another 15 picks.  Ben Burr-Kirven might be a good fall back. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: SET4YRS on April 27, 2019, 10:52:05 AM
 Wow, Mack Wilson, Cameron Smith and D'Andre Walker still on the board
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 10:54:34 AM
Painful to watch the second half of the 4th round.

Some of the top players possibly still on the Packers board.

CB's Corey Ballentine, Amani Oruwariye, Jordan Brown

S's  Marvell Tell III, Zedrick Woods

LB's Ty Summers, Te'Von Coney, Ben Burr-Kirven, Blake Cashman, Vosean Joseph
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
Damn Seahawks.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:00:42 AM
The good LB's are clicking off the board now.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: footballdad on April 27, 2019, 11:03:46 AM
Maybe its time to move up and get Wilson.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:08:58 AM
Maybe its time to move up and get Wilson.

He tested poorly and didn't lift, might be damaged goods.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:13:59 AM
Painful to watch the second half of the 4th round.

Some of the top players possibly still on the Packers board.

CB's Corey Ballentine, Amani Oruwariye, Jordan Brown

S's  Marvell Tell III, Zedrick Woods

LB's Ty Summers, Te'Von Coney, Ben Burr-Kirven, Blake Cashman, Vosean Joseph

Oruwariye, Tell, Joseph and Burr-Kirven gone in 4 of the last 7 picks.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:15:50 AM
Cowboys trade in front of the Packers. Never like that move.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 11:17:26 AM
Who is it going to be RT?? 

I still think ILB -
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:17:51 AM
Cowboys trade in front of the Packers. Never like that move.

And take Hunter Renfrow, interesting.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 11:19:14 AM
I want Dexter Williams!
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:20:02 AM
Who is it going to be RT?? 

I still think ILB -

I like Ballentine here.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
DT Kingsley Keke, a little surprised.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 11:22:40 AM
Except for the TE in the 3rd round, I haven't been close.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 11:23:14 AM
A head scratcher.  Didn't see any connection to the Packers with this guy. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: footballdad on April 27, 2019, 11:25:41 AM
Keke Kingsley - good player.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: The GM on April 27, 2019, 11:27:40 AM
A head scratcher.  Didn't see any connection to the Packers with this guy.

Thats OK though, its all about production going forward. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 11:28:15 AM
A head scratcher.  Didn't see any connection to the Packers with this guy.

What is interesting is that the Packers were connected to a number of A&M players, but I never found anything on Keke. Packers position coaches were actively involved with his teammate Dylon Mack at their pro day, but zero info on Keke. Good job Packers. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 11:31:53 AM
OK, did some quick research.

Two years ago he was a 310lb DT. AM wanted to play some on the edge last year, so he lost 20lbs.

Some think he could be 320lb NT in the NFL, or a 290lb DT.

We'll see... ?



Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 12:00:26 PM
Colts take one of the Packers sleeper ILB's in  EJ Speed - Tartleton State.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 12:30:05 PM
Well the Packers last 2 picks were from Texas A&M, do they just keep it rolling at take RB Trayveon Williams?
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: ricky on April 27, 2019, 12:39:38 PM
It was suggested by CheeseheadTV that Kingsley could be a replacement for Montravius Adams IF Adams doesn't show a lot of improvement this year. Could be. Replace what would be a more expensive role player/project with a cheaper version. One with possibly more upside. And interesting thought, IMO.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 12:45:43 PM
I want Dexter Williams!
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 12:45:56 PM
Who is this pick??  Still say we have to go ILB.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: bmaafi on April 27, 2019, 12:47:20 PM
It's hollman
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 12:49:10 PM
Hollman was in GB for a visit I think.  Seems like he is a 4.4 guy and has been a 3 year starter.  Tested really well at his pro day apparently. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 12:49:48 PM
OK, he has all the measurables for a CB.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 12:52:59 PM
Who is this pick??  Still say we have to go ILB.

Ka'dar Hollman is a CB they had in for a visit and I listed him a potential UDFA signing (but that is a little guessing), but the Packers like him as a 6th rounder. The Giants took Ballentine 5 picks ahead of them, I wonder if Hollman wasn't plan B here. Will never know.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Hands on April 27, 2019, 12:54:41 PM
Hollman was in GB for a visit I think.  Seems like he is a 4.4 guy and has been a 3 year starter.  Tested really well at his pro day apparently.
Yeah, he had good 40, 4.39 and 3-cone of 6.81 and I seem to remember that Green Bay was at his Pro Day.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 12:55:45 PM

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Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
5 picks before we are back on the clock. Who is it??  Make your calls guys.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Hands on April 27, 2019, 01:01:27 PM
I would say Penny Hart, WR from Ga. St.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 01:05:23 PM
I'm guessing this is Ulysees Gilbert or Kaden Elliss territory.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: phanatic1 on April 27, 2019, 01:06:00 PM
Stanley Morgan Jr. or Ulysees Gilbert.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Hands on April 27, 2019, 01:07:07 PM
Penny Hart or Grover Clevland?
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: dbishop on April 27, 2019, 01:10:07 PM

Terrill Hanks or Preston Williams
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: LMG on April 27, 2019, 01:11:50 PM
Picks are updated. (http://packerchatters.com/index.php?board=32.0)
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Shinesman on April 27, 2019, 01:12:40 PM
Well we got a RB, about as late as we could. Interesting.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 01:12:49 PM
Donzo stayed away so he didn't jinx himself this time.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: packdaddy on April 27, 2019, 01:13:29 PM
Dexter Wiliams?
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 01:14:55 PM
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Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 01:16:29 PM
Donzo stayed away so he didn't jinx himself this time.

I was about to do it, but thought it would be obnoxious.

 8)

Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 01:19:19 PM
Williams is a very good fit for the Packers a great value in the 6th round. When I did the testing and measurable checks on RB's coming out of the combine, he was one of only 4 RB's that checked every box for the Packers. Is also known as an excellent blocker in pass pro. Love the pick. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 01:21:45 PM
Kiper talking about him...
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 01:23:30 PM
Williams is a very good fit for the Packers a great value in the 6th round. When I did the testing and measurable checks on RB's coming out of the combine, he was one of only 4 RB's that checked every box for the Packers. Is also known as an excellent blocker in pass pro. Love the pick.

Yep, that's what I was thinking.


Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: packdaddy on April 27, 2019, 01:27:32 PM
Great story
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on April 27, 2019, 01:36:28 PM
It's up to you guys to bring home a 7th round hit!

Have fun!

RT, great job the last three days...  hatsoff)
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 02:06:32 PM
Well Ladies and Gentlemen, we have one more dart to blindly throw at the board, so who is your player of choice?
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 02:12:01 PM
The Texans take a Fullback 6 picks ahead of the Packers, it may well be Andrew Beck or Alec Ingold time for the Packers.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: The GM on April 27, 2019, 02:25:23 PM
Ty Summers, LB , TCU
Its been a long few days, but Gutes work with the UDFA feeding frenzy coming tonight and the next few days is just beginning.  Great draft work by the Packers, overall good haul.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 02:26:37 PM
Painful to watch the second half of the 4th round.

Some of the top players possibly still on the Packers board.

CB's Corey Ballentine, Amani Oruwariye, Jordan Brown

S's  Marvell Tell III, Zedrick Woods

LB's Ty Summers, Te'Von Coney, Ben Burr-Kirven, Blake Cashman, Vosean Joseph

I had Ty Summers pegged as the top LB prospect left after the 4th round and the Packers land him with their last pick in the 7th round. Another very good athlete.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Hands on April 27, 2019, 02:26:45 PM
Just checking back in....I would say Beck.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 02:29:57 PM
Its been a long few days, but Gutes work with the UDFA feeding frenzy coming tonight and the next few days is just beginning.  Great draft work by the Packers, good haul.

Agree that it was a good haul. 11 empty roster spots left for UDFA's. Still some good talent that will go undrafted, there is room for more.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: LMG on April 27, 2019, 02:36:28 PM
All Packer picks now updated (http://packerchatters.com/index.php?board=32.0).
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: packlaw on April 27, 2019, 02:52:36 PM
who are the best remaining undrafted players in 2019 draft?
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 03:08:21 PM
who are the best remaining undrafted players in 2019 draft?


The first place to look for players the Packers may sign as UDFA's would the list of players that made a top-30 visit to GB and went undrafted. I post that list on the '2019 players the Packers have shown interest in' thread.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: The GM on April 27, 2019, 03:14:08 PM
Good job on the draft RT.  I hope these draftees take full advantage of their opportunity.  The Packer definitely got better the past few days.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: ricky on April 27, 2019, 03:20:10 PM
Most obvious observation: in the sixth and seventh, the Packers went speed. All those guys are burners. Something that can't be taught (though Don Beebe might disagree).
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: morango on April 28, 2019, 08:19:56 AM
Most obvious observation: in the sixth and seventh, the Packers went speed. All those guys are burners. Something that can't be taught (though Don Beebe might disagree).

True, but IMO they went for speed (and general athleticism) through the entire draft, perhaps with the exception of OG Jenkins and RB Williams, but even the two of them weren’t necessarily slow.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 08:51:51 AM
Most obvious observation: in the sixth and seventh, the Packers went speed. All those guys are burners. Something that can't be taught (though Don Beebe might disagree).

True, but IMO they went for speed (and general athleticism) through the entire draft, perhaps with the exception of OG Jenkins and RB Williams, but even the two of them weren’t necessarily slow.

I'm not sure how you came to your conclusions about Jenkins and Williams, both tested very well athletically.

https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1122231999186571264

https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1122133819144929280

Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 03:35:42 PM
It was suggested by CheeseheadTV that Kingsley could be a replacement for Montravius Adams IF Adams doesn't show a lot of improvement this year. Could be. Replace what would be a more expensive role player/project with a cheaper version. One with possibly more upside. And interesting thought, IMO.

That is a bad take from CheeseheadTV. Adams played very well at the end of last season and the needle is pointing straight up for him. Kingsley Keke is the 2020 replacement for Daniels, Keke will get his rookie season to learn how to be a professional and get some NFL seasoning and hopefully be ready to try and fill Daniels shoes in his second year. Adams is going nowhere.
 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: ricky on April 28, 2019, 03:44:53 PM
It was suggested by CheeseheadTV that Kingsley could be a replacement for Montravius Adams IF Adams doesn't show a lot of improvement this year. Could be. Replace what would be a more expensive role player/project with a cheaper version. One with possibly more upside. And interesting thought, IMO.

That is a bad take from CheeseheadTV. Adams played very well at the end of last season and the needle is pointing straight up for him. Kingsley Keke is the 2020 replacement for Daniels, Keke will get his rookie season to learn how to be a professional and get some NFL seasoning and hopefully be ready to try and fill Daniels shoes in his second year. Adams is going nowhere.

So, if Kingsley is the heir apparent to Daniels, Adams is... what? Just curious, and always willing to learn.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 03:47:52 PM
It was suggested by CheeseheadTV that Kingsley could be a replacement for Montravius Adams IF Adams doesn't show a lot of improvement this year. Could be. Replace what would be a more expensive role player/project with a cheaper version. One with possibly more upside. And interesting thought, IMO.

That is a bad take from CheeseheadTV. Adams played very well at the end of last season and the needle is pointing straight up for him. Kingsley Keke is the 2020 replacement for Daniels, Keke will get his rookie season to learn how to be a professional and get some NFL seasoning and hopefully be ready to try and fill Daniels shoes in his second year. Adams is going nowhere.


So, if Kingsley is the heir apparent to Daniels, Adams is... what? Just curious, and always willing to learn.

A starting DT.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: dannobanano on April 28, 2019, 04:08:37 PM
Adams, Keke, and Fadol Brown could all be playing a role in the future reshaping of the DL.

(1) Daniels, the 5th highest paid Packer in 2019, will be on the wrong side of 30 when he hits FA in 2020. What he will be seeking in another contract will determine whether or not he stays. Much of the early talk seems to be indicating that he would accept signing "on the cheap" just to stay a Packer, and why should he? That is the business side of the NFL.

(2) Also, Kenny Clark will be getting tabbed with his 5th year option for next year, so he will get a very nice bump in pay, likely several million dollars. Then Packers will likely extend him early next year to get than number down for cap purposes, but it makes little sense to do so now. The option gives them time and flexibility.

(3) Then there is the case of Dean Lowry. He will also be an UFA in 2020. While he's not a super star, he has proven to be a valuable and dependable part of the DL rotation. He's a lunch pail/blue collar kind of guy that you love to have. But will his asking price also price him out of Green Bay as well? Much will depend on how well his health and level of play hold up in 2019.

These are three reasons why drafting Kingsly Keke, resigning Fadol Brown, and keeping/continue developing M-Adams (and Lancaster) are important elements to the success of the 2019 DL, and beyond.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 04:24:16 PM
In the case of Lowry I ask this question, when was the last time the Packers signed a player to a second contract that was not a core player on the unit they played on? Lowry is a rotational player who IMO has almost zero chance of getting a second contract with the Packers. This is in all likelihood both Daniels and Lowry's final season in GB.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: craig on April 28, 2019, 07:40:58 PM
Thanks, RT, that's an interesting question and I hadn't thought of it like that.  You may be right.  Perhaps the distinction between "rotational" and "core" is a bit hard for me to define.  In a sense, Lowry *has* been a core player over the last two seasons.  Whether that's a core player you want to keep around, or whether being a "core" in a kinda bad defense means you don't want to keep him around, that's beyond my scouting and GM'ing aptitude. 

As to your rhetorical question, one of the issues is that with the limited effectiveness of recent Packer drafts, they just haven't had many guys who were both healthy enough and functional enough that they belonged in the league after their first contract.  And of those who did belong, they have tended to command starter-caliber money?  Heyward, he was signing for significant money, TT chose to let him go. 

But how many guys are kind of Lowry-level?  Functional rotation/depth, I think he's got a bunch of years left in the league.  But unless he has a really excellent season, I wouldn't expect him to be commanding a big contract. 

I don't see why it would be implausible for the Packers to sign a guy to a $5/3 contract or something like that, or $4/2, or whatever his market will demand.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 09:03:51 PM
I would like to see them keep Lowry around under a deal like you suggest, but those deals just never happen. Since 2005 I can not think of one such signing. Their have been many that were good contributors, but not core players and none of them re-signed. Jake Ryan this year would have been cheap insurance at ILB, but no attempt was made to sign him and I understand why. Ryan is getting 1.25M to play in Jacksonville this year and the Packers draft Ty Summers in the 7th round and have him for a little over 500K for the next 4 seasons. And the same thing probably will happen in Lowry's case.

The list is long of good Packers that departed after their first contract expired, but the list has no names of those types that re-signed. JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Devon House, Brandon Jackson, Daryn Colledge, Brady Poppinga, Mike Montgomery, Corey Williams and several others of lesser degrees were all good Packers who needed to go elsewhere to sign their second contract.

One day there may well be an exception to the rule, but until then I will believe the rule has no exception.   
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: dannobanano on April 29, 2019, 05:32:46 AM
In the case of Lowry I ask this question, when was the last time the Packers signed a player to a second contract that was not a core player on the unit they played on? Lowry is a rotational player who IMO has almost zero chance of getting a second contract with the Packers. This is in all likelihood both Daniels and Lowry's final season in GB.

You reinforce my point RT.

Lowry will be, in all likely hood, a classic case of "JC Tretter" when it comes to getting that 2nd contract.

In all likelihood, Lowry would need to have a "contract season" similar to what Nick Perry did to earn his 2nd contract, as we remember that GB had refused to exercise Perry's 5th year option.

Lowry stands a slim chance to accomplish this simply because he's a rotational player and doesn't get enough plays/game to be able to make enough of an impact.

What it possibly means is that Gute could be drafting not just one, but two DL in 2020 because, like Daniels, Lowry could likely be gone and 2020 will also be the final contract year for Montravious Adams, who could also be a question mark for a 2nd contract.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: craig on April 29, 2019, 11:54:12 AM
....The list is long of good Packers that departed after their first contract expired, but the list has no names of those types that re-signed. JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Devon House, Brandon Jackson, Daryn Colledge, Brady Poppinga, Mike Montgomery, Corey Williams and several others of lesser degrees were all good Packers who needed to go elsewhere to sign their second contract.

One day there may well be an exception to the rule, but until then I will believe the rule has no exception.

Good points.  Yeah, maybe there will never be an exception. 
But to some degree I think players are case-by-case. 
Using that list of case-by-case:
JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Devon House, Daryn Colledge, Corey Williams (an especially special case):  All of those guys got paid significant, serious starter-caliber money.  Agree that if Lowry is getting serious starter-money elsewhere, when the Packers value him only as rotational low-salary, obviously he's gone. 

Mike Montgomery:  Unique case, with the team chemistry and the weird kickoff runback. 

Brandon Jackson, Brady Poppinga:  Guys we just did not want back.  Wanted new backs, wanted different skill-set OLB than Poppinga.  Don't think Packers wanted those cats on the roster even if they were on rookie minimum contracts. 

That may be Lowry as well.  Perhaps you are right, there is no exception, there is no in-between between the serious-money starters and the rookie contract guys.  Either you're an ascending player ascending towards a starting job, or else if that isn't reality by the end of rookie contract then it's time to start over with a new ascending prospect.  And maybe $1-$1.5 is too much to swallow. 

It's also possible that Gute may have a slightly different approach than TT did. 
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: RT on April 30, 2019, 08:56:15 AM
....The list is long of good Packers that departed after their first contract expired, but the list has no names of those types that re-signed. JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Devon House, Brandon Jackson, Daryn Colledge, Brady Poppinga, Mike Montgomery, Corey Williams and several others of lesser degrees were all good Packers who needed to go elsewhere to sign their second contract.

One day there may well be an exception to the rule, but until then I will believe the rule has no exception.

Good points.  Yeah, maybe there will never be an exception. 
But to some degree I think players are case-by-case. 
Using that list of case-by-case:
JC Tretter, Micah Hyde, Casey Hayward, Devon House, Daryn Colledge, Corey Williams (an especially special case):  All of those guys got paid significant, serious starter-caliber money.  Agree that if Lowry is getting serious starter-money elsewhere, when the Packers value him only as rotational low-salary, obviously he's gone. 

Mike Montgomery:  Unique case, with the team chemistry and the weird kickoff runback. 

Brandon Jackson, Brady Poppinga:  Guys we just did not want back.  Wanted new backs, wanted different skill-set OLB than Poppinga.  Don't think Packers wanted those cats on the roster even if they were on rookie minimum contracts. 

That may be Lowry as well.  Perhaps you are right, there is no exception, there is no in-between between the serious-money starters and the rookie contract guys.  Either you're an ascending player ascending towards a starting job, or else if that isn't reality by the end of rookie contract then it's time to start over with a new ascending prospect.  And maybe $1-$1.5 is too much to swallow. 

It's also possible that Gute may have a slightly different approach than TT did.

I think you bring in an interesting variable and that is Gute, he has has proven that he will enter into a gray area in the draft for a player he has a personal liking to. He hasn't yet done that with a second contract for a Packers player, but will he sway from their model in the future? Only time will tell.
Title: Re: Day 3 Live Draft Comments
Post by: Donzo on May 01, 2019, 01:34:12 PM
Summers is a nice 7th round pick. Kinda a ILB version of Donnerson from last year, but with more football talent and production.