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Title: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:05:25 PM
I'm starting this for people to dump any information on undrafted players.

The first thing that jumps out at me is the huge list of quality WR's that went undrafted. The Packers by not drafting any should be an attractive landing spot for those looking for the least rookie competition. One the most talented is troubled Preston Williams, wondering if the Packers may give him a chance since they hired his college position coach to coach WR's in GB. No one knows that situation better than he does.

These are the players had in for a visit, yet went undrafted.

DL
Olive Sagapolu - Wisconsin

Edge
Jesse Aniebonam - Maryland
Randy Ramsey - Arkansas

LB
Curtis Bolton - Oklahoma
TJ Edwards - Wisconsin
Nate Hall - Northwestern

CB
Montre Hartage - Northwestern

Safety
D'Cota Dixon - Wisconsin

OL
Nate Herbig - Stanford
Beau Benzschawel - Wisconsin

TE/FB/H-BACK
Alec Ingold - Wisconsin
John Lovett - Princeton
Andrew Beck - Texas

WR
Jeff Smith - Boston College
DeAndre Thompkins - Penn State

RB
Damarea Crockett - Missouri

LS
John Wirtel - Kansas
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:09:29 PM
According to Tom Pelissero, Alec Ingold is signing with the Raiders.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: mancl on April 27, 2019, 04:11:36 PM
C.J. Collins, QB, Southwestern Assemblies of God University
Nate Davis, CB, North Texas
Manny Wilkins, QB, Arizona State University (unconfirmed)

From JS Online
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: footballdad on April 27, 2019, 04:16:04 PM
Definately would like to see Beck and the young men from Wisconsin.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:20:58 PM
C.J. Collins, QB, Southwestern Assemblies of God University
Nate Davis, CB, North Texas
Manny Wilkins, QB, Arizona State University (unconfirmed)

From JS Online

I see a bunch of places reporting the Manny Wilkins signing, but nobody yet that I wager money on it being for sure. He would be a very good get, one of the top undrafted QB's.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:27:42 PM

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The Packers are expected to sign Jersey guy and Va Tech OT Yosh Nijman, per league source.

This would be a great pickup.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:32:08 PM
Randy Ramsey is giving it to us straight from the horses mouth. On his tweeter account announced he was signing with GB.

 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:37:17 PM

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Undrafted free agent deals:
Greg Roberts (Baylor) —Packers
Silas Stewart (Incarnate Word)—Ravens
Jordan Wyatt (SMU)—Saints
Roderick Young (Texas Tech)—Jaguars
Santos Ramirez (Arkansas)—Jets
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 04:39:24 PM

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Can confirm Mississippi DB Javien Hamilton is headed to the #Packers as an UDFA.
4:37 PM - 27 Apr 2019
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 05:11:52 PM

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254 Picks. 11 QBs Picked. 1 opportunity was all I’ve ever dreamed of and it’s come true. GO PACK GO. FÉRINA ATHLETICS.

This is confirmed by the player himself.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 05:19:19 PM
Kabion Ento - Colorado WR is signing with the Packers.

I think several of these early announcements are tryout signings.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: mancl on April 27, 2019, 05:27:17 PM
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/yosh-nijman?id=32194e49-4a39-4486-5ad3-455d5d7e45d9

I had this guy as a late round pick.  Needs lots of work but has some tools.  They made the practice squad for players like this
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 05:27:57 PM
Definately would like to see Beck and the young men from Wisconsin.

Beck signed with the Patriots and Ingold signed with the Raiders.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 06:42:35 PM
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I got a lot to prove but it’s the same ol story over an over again, in the end I’m gonna win... #GoPackGo

Curtis Bolton LB Oklahoma is the second 30 visit to be signing with the Packers.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 06:47:56 PM

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KMM’s Taylor Cornelius is heading to Rookie Camp with the @packers !

I will break my arm with that one, I noted to watch for the Packers to possibly sign the Oklahoma State QB if they did not draft one. And.......here you are.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 06:50:28 PM

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#Packers have signed Iowa St. wide receiver Matt Eaton as an undrafted free agent. Eaton is 6-4, 209, ran 4.64 40-yard dash at his pro day, had a 34-inch vertical and lifted 225 pounds 10 times.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 27, 2019, 07:22:58 PM
What we have so far.

QB Manny Wilkins - Arizona State
QB Taylor Cornelius - Oklahoma State (Tryout)
QB CJ Collins - Southwestern Assemblies of God University (Tryout)

OL Yosh Nijman - Virginia Tech

TE Davis Koppenhaver - Duke

WR Matt Eaton - Iowa State
WR Darius Shepherd - North Dakota State University (Tryout)
WR Jamarius Way - South Alabama (Tryout)

LS Patrick Eby - Columbia (Tryout)

EDGE Randy Ramsey - Arkansas
EDGE Greg Roberts - Baylor

LB Curtis Bolton - Oklahoma

CB Nate Brooks - North Texas
CB Kabion Ento - Colorado
CB Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville (Tryout)
CB Deion Harris - North Dakota (Tryout)

DB Javien Hamilton - Mississippi
DB Nydair Rouse - West Chester (Tryout)

Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: marklawrence on April 27, 2019, 10:27:41 PM
Three qbs. We're obviously looking for a cheap backup.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: Shinesman on April 28, 2019, 01:09:09 AM
Has Edwards signed elsewhere?
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: ricky on April 28, 2019, 04:17:44 AM
Here is a list of the UDFA's and tryout players for the Packers in one list:


According to various sources, these are the undrafted free agents (UDFAs) the Green Bay Packers are signing. Click on the player’s name for more information about him.

The list will be updated as more signings or tryout invites are announced.

DL Randy Ramsey via Jim Owczarski

OT Yosh Nijman via Mike Kaye

CB Nate Brooks via Jason Hirschhorn

DE Greg Roberts via Ryan Wood

QB Manny Wilkins via Ryan Wood

WR Kabion Ento via Curtis Snyder

LB Drew Lewis via Curtis Snyder

DB Javien Hamilton via Jim Owczarski

LB Curtis Bolton III via Ryan Wood

TE Davis Koppenhaver via Jim Owczarski

WR Matt Eaton via Tom Silverstein

QB Taylor Cornelius via Kelly Masters Mgmt

. . .

 

Tryouts/Rookie Camp invites:

QB CJ Collins via Jim Owczarski

WR Darrius Shepherd via Beth Hoole

DB Deion Harris via Jim Owczarski

LS Patrick Eby via Tom Silverstein

DB Nydair Rouse via Jim Owczarski

WR Jamarius Way via Jim Owczarski

And a shocer from PFT- not all NFL rules are enforced! Seems that up to 80% of FA's were signed before the draft had ended. Technicallyillegal, but not enforced. So, why have a rule you don't enforce?  ???

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/ (https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/)
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: footballdad on April 28, 2019, 05:26:06 AM
TJ Edwards signed with the Eagles.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 07:30:19 AM
I hope this does not come across like I'm being thin skinned here, I only want to get are members the correct information.

On the list that you have provided from cheeseheadtv there are 3 errors, ricky. Taylor Cornelius is a tryout player only (for now) and is clearly stated in the tweet by his rep, Kelly Masters Mgmt. Drew Lewis signed with the Texans and that is clearly stated in the provided tweet. And missing from his tryouts/rookie camp list Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville, here is the link to that signing.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1122280608200306689

The list I provided is still accurate.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 07:43:56 AM
I cannot find a confirmation if it is a signing or a tryout player, but the tweet says that he is a UDFA signing. If that is the case, that will put the Packers at the 90 man roster limit. For each player signed from here on out, another will need to be released.

 
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Add Oklahoma St. OL Larry Williams to the list of players the #Packers signed as undrafted free agents. He’s 6-4, 330.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: footballdad on April 28, 2019, 07:59:26 AM
Thanks for all the hard work and info RT.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: ricky on April 28, 2019, 09:18:09 AM
I hope this does not come across like I'm being thin skinned here, I only want to get are members the correct information.

On the list that you have provided from cheeseheadtv there are 3 errors, ricky. Taylor Cornelius is a tryout player only (for now) and is clearly stated in the tweet by his rep, Kelly Masters Mgmt. Drew Lewis signed with the Texans and that is clearly stated in the provided tweet. And missing from his tryouts/rookie camp list Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville, here is the link to that signing.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1122280608200306689

The list I provided is still accurate.

No offense meant. The list was provided by CHTV, and I trusted them to be accurate. I posted the list to make i easier to see all the signees in one place, rather than spread over multiple posts. No toe stomping intended.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 11:20:48 AM
I hope this does not come across like I'm being thin skinned here, I only want to get are members the correct information.

On the list that you have provided from cheeseheadtv there are 3 errors, ricky. Taylor Cornelius is a tryout player only (for now) and is clearly stated in the tweet by his rep, Kelly Masters Mgmt. Drew Lewis signed with the Texans and that is clearly stated in the provided tweet. And missing from his tryouts/rookie camp list Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville, here is the link to that signing.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1122280608200306689

The list I provided is still accurate.

No offense meant. The list was provided by CHTV, and I trusted them to be accurate. I posted the list to make i easier to see all the signees in one place, rather than spread over multiple posts. No toe stomping intended.

3 posts before yours, they were all posted in one place.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 11:34:26 AM
Three qbs. We're obviously looking for a cheap backup.

Actually they have done this same thing the last several years. The veterans do not participate in the rookie mini camps and the team needs arms to run the offenses. Hence they add QB's on a tryout basis. Last year one was from Minnesota-Duluth and the other I'm not quite sure of off the top of my head, but I think it might of been Northern Iowa. But it is a common move by most teams that do not draft QB's.   
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: PackerJoe on April 28, 2019, 11:54:11 AM
I still kind of like CJ Conrad, TE from Kentucky, he's been cleared of his quote 'Heart condition', it would help if they calibrated the machine once in a while!

Like Tre Lemar at LB, like Jacob Dolegala from Central Connecticut at QB.  Was hoping for Rypien, but he got signed by Denver.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: PackerJoe on April 28, 2019, 11:57:23 AM
As others have stated, I'm surprised the Wisconsin OL is still out there.  Didn't see many of their games, but when I did see I thought he was the best one out there.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 04:03:24 PM
As others have stated, I'm surprised the Wisconsin OL is still out there.  Didn't see many of their games, but when I did see I thought he was the best one out there.


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#Wisconsin guard Beau Benzschawel, who had offers from more than 20 teams, is signing with the #Lions as an undrafted free agent, source said.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 28, 2019, 06:43:20 PM
Packers adding LSU kicker Cole Tracy to the list of players that will take part in the Rookie mini camp on May 3-4 on a tryout basis.

https://www.theadvocate.com/baton_rouge/sports/lsu/article_165aeb7c-6851-11e9-8e33-3f185578603f.html
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 29, 2019, 08:10:42 AM
I am updating this now, but there should be several more tryout players that will be added to this list in the next few days. The Packers are at the 90 man roster limit (tryout players do not count against the roster limit) and because of the fact that they normally sign a couple of the tryout players to FA contracts after the rookie mini camp, I do expect that a few of the current players that are at the bottom of the depth charts to be released in the next few days also. 

QB Manny Wilkins - Arizona State
QB Taylor Cornelius - Oklahoma State (Tryout)
QB CJ Collins - Southwestern Assemblies of God University (Tryout)

OL Yosh Nijman - Virginia Tech
OL Larry Williams - Oklahoma State

TE Davis Koppenhaver - Duke

WR Matt Eaton - Iowa State
WR Darius Shepherd - North Dakota State University (Tryout)
WR Jamarius Way - South Alabama (Tryout)

LS Patrick Eby - Columbia (Tryout)

EDGE Randy Ramsey - Arkansas
EDGE Greg Roberts - Baylor

LB Curtis Bolton - Oklahoma

CB Nate Brooks - North Texas
CB Kabion Ento - Colorado
CB Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville (Tryout)
CB Deion Harris - North Dakota (Tryout)

DB Javien Hamilton - Mississippi
DB Nydair Rouse - West Chester (Tryout)

K Cole Tracy - LSU (Tryout)
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: craig on April 29, 2019, 09:10:37 AM
Thanks for the work and listings, RT!  Much appreciated. 

3 thoughts:
1.  I almost feel like the roster is deeper than in some recent years, and it may be a little harder for multiple UDFA to make the opening roster.  Last year, for example, it seemed pretty obvious that TE was wide open for the taking, and so too was ILB.  Not sure I see quite as much opportunity now?
2.  That said, injury is always the unpredictable gateway.  Hopefully injuries are few and the injury gateways remain shut for most or all position groups!  :)
3.  Making the opening roster is one thing; making the PS is much easier.  *IF* a guy makes the PS, then he has a whole season's worth of opportunity for injury to open roster spots.  So for a lot of UDFA guys, the 63-man roster is the avenue.   

Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 29, 2019, 10:44:08 AM
Been told that Vanderbilt LB Josh Smith was offered a tryout with the Packers, just waiting for someone to actually report it. Hopefully sometime this afternoon or tomorrow morning we have an announcement on it.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 29, 2019, 11:17:41 AM
Iowa State TE Sam Seonbuchner announced on his twitter account that he was 'Excited for the opportunity to tryout for Green Bay Packers'.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 29, 2019, 11:29:32 AM
Thanks for the work and listings, RT!  Much appreciated. 

3 thoughts:
1.  I almost feel like the roster is deeper than in some recent years, and it may be a little harder for multiple UDFA to make the opening roster.  Last year, for example, it seemed pretty obvious that TE was wide open for the taking, and so too was ILB.  Not sure I see quite as much opportunity now?
2.  That said, injury is always the unpredictable gateway.  Hopefully injuries are few and the injury gateways remain shut for most or all position groups!  :)
3.  Making the opening roster is one thing; making the PS is much easier.  *IF* a guy makes the PS, then he has a whole season's worth of opportunity for injury to open roster spots.  So for a lot of UDFA guys, the 63-man roster is the avenue.

All true. The position groups that have the best chance to add a UDFA to the 53 are often the ones with marginal players who have flatlined. One such place may well be EDGE, if Kendall Donnerson and Reggie Gilbert have not taken that next step of improving than the door is wide open for a player like Greg Roberts from Baylor to step on in. One of the things that is always interesting to me with the Packers and their UDFA's is to follow the money. Who do they put that little extra into to make sure they land them and that is why I think this tweet is very telling.

 
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Green Bay Packers gave $65,000 base salary guarantee and $7,000 signing bonus to undrafted rookie Greg Roberts.

I may have just missed it in the past, but I have never seen GB make that kind of commitment to any UDFA. 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 29, 2019, 11:42:58 AM

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Former #ASU linebacker Koron Crump signs as free agent with Green Bay Packers.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: craig on April 29, 2019, 11:56:15 AM
....Green Bay Packers gave $65,000 base salary guarantee and $7,000 signing bonus to undrafted rookie Greg Roberts.

I may have just missed it in the past, but I have never seen GB make that kind of commitment to any UDFA.

Same.  Not sure I recall seeing reports on "base salary guarantee" in past, only the signing bonus.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: mancl on April 29, 2019, 02:41:09 PM
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/greg-roberts?id=3219524f-4237-4217-3a75-09694da61f3d
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 29, 2019, 06:28:04 PM
In review of the recent UDFA's that have made the Packers roster, it appears the Greg Roberts may have a fairly good shot. Edge rushers that went undrafted yet made the Packers roster as rookies include Jayrone Elliott, Reggie Gilbert, Chris Odom, Dezman Moses, Andy Mulumba, Frank Zombo and Vic So'oto. So their is a chance.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: ricky on April 29, 2019, 09:17:47 PM
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Green Bay Packers gave $65,000 base salary guarantee and $7,000 signing bonus to undrafted rookie Greg Roberts.

I may have just missed it in the past, but I have never seen GB make that kind of commitment to any UDFA.

Apparently there was some competition for his services. A guess, not a proven fact.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 30, 2019, 08:48:08 AM
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Green Bay Packers gave $65,000 base salary guarantee and $7,000 signing bonus to undrafted rookie Greg Roberts.

I may have just missed it in the past, but I have never seen GB make that kind of commitment to any UDFA.


Apparently there was some competition for his services. A guess, not a proven fact.

I think it is very fair to assume that.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 30, 2019, 09:25:51 AM
I am updating this now even though our low-hanging fruit pickers for Packers beat writers are too busy drinking coffee to dig into who the Packers have coming to the rookie mini camp.   

QB Manny Wilkins - Arizona State
QB Taylor Cornelius - Oklahoma State (Tryout)
QB CJ Collins - Southwestern Assemblies of God University (Tryout)

OL Yosh Nijman - Virginia Tech
OL Larry Williams - Oklahoma State

TE Davis Koppenhaver - Duke
TE  Sam Seonbuchner - Iowa Sate (Tryout)

WR Matt Eaton - Iowa State
WR Darius Shepherd - North Dakota State University (Tryout)
WR Jamarius Way - South Alabama (Tryout)

LS Patrick Eby - Columbia (Tryout)

EDGE Randy Ramsey - Arkansas
EDGE Greg Roberts - Baylor

LB Curtis Bolton - Oklahoma
LB Koron Crump - Arizona State
LB Josh Smith - Vanderbilt (Tryout)

CB Nate Brooks - North Texas
CB Kabion Ento - Colorado
CB Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville (Tryout)
CB Deion Harris - North Dakota (Tryout)

DB Javien Hamilton - Mississippi
DB Nydair Rouse - West Chester (Tryout)

K Cole Tracy - LSU (Tryout)
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: PackerJoe on April 30, 2019, 01:35:49 PM
Kentucky TE signed with Giants.  CJ Conrad.  They know a few things about tight ends!
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: PackerJoe on April 30, 2019, 01:40:11 PM
Would like to see some lb's added here like Hodge from Buffalo or Tre Lemar from Clemson.  Even with the new guys our LB's are sad!!!!!
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: ricky on April 30, 2019, 02:27:59 PM
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Green Bay Packers gave $65,000 base salary guarantee and $7,000 signing bonus to undrafted rookie Greg Roberts.

I may have just missed it in the past, but I have never seen GB make that kind of commitment to any UDFA.


Apparently there was some competition for his services. A guess, not a proven fact.

I think it is very fair to assume that.

So, is that "Thanks, Captain Obvious", or "Well, duh!" Either way, that was stated in your original post, but I missed it. Thanks for the gentleness.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: footballdad on April 30, 2019, 02:53:40 PM
Lamar signed with Detroit.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on April 30, 2019, 02:59:49 PM
Lamar signed with Detroit.

And Hodge has not even been  offered a camp tryout yet. They are both just too slow to play in the NFL. Hodge might get a look in the CFL.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: Donzo on May 01, 2019, 01:39:01 PM
Nijman and Roberts standout, to me, as the top two talents… Wilkens is also interesting as a PS QB.

Nijman is a heck of size/athlete prospect at OT, excellent UDFA prospect… Roberts probably has the best shot to make the team. At first blush, I think Gilbert, Donnerson and Roberts will fight it out for the last two spots at OLB. Prospect wise, I’ve been told physically he’s a slightly better version of Gilbert- a little more athletic and longer.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: dannobanano on May 01, 2019, 02:23:55 PM
Nijman and Roberts standout, to me, as the top two talents… Wilkens is also interesting as a PS QB.

Nijman is a heck of size/athlete prospect at OT, excellent UDFA prospect… Roberts probably has the best shot to make the team. At first blush, I think Gilbert, Donnerson and Roberts will fight it out for the last two spots at OLB. Prospect wise, I’ve been told physically he’s a slightly better version of Gilbert- a little more athletic and longer.

Kind of intrigued by QB Taylor Cornelius as well.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 01, 2019, 05:39:49 PM
CB Nate Brooks, one of the Packers UDFA signings who played at North Texas, was high school teammates with Pat Mahomes at Whitehouse High in Texas. Said to have some swagger to him.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: Hands on May 02, 2019, 06:33:10 AM
I could see Crump make the team, as a ST specialist, because of his speed and need of a coverage LB. He's got length, was productive in college, and would fit a need. He's light, 225#s but has some pop to his game. With this guy you won't know how he stacks-up until the pads go on. He'll look really good in shorts, but we know that's fool's gold.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 03, 2019, 09:12:37 AM

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UDFA CB Nate Brooks is signing with the #Cardinals. Had agreed to sign with #Packers, but it appears there was an injury issue. Different teams see things differently.

Nydair Rouse a DB from West Chester seems to be the benefactor, he go's from tryout player to signed UDFA.

Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 03, 2019, 10:10:59 AM
WR Cory Contini of Ohio Dominion announced on his twitter that he is a tryout player for the Packers rookie camp.

DT Sam Brincks of Iowa also stated that he was a tryout player.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: Hands on May 03, 2019, 11:27:53 AM
I'm not sure Crump has signed w/ the Packers. I've seen it on some list but not on the official list. One UDFA I liked, Breckyn Hager edge guy from TX, hoping he would sign w/ the Pack...went to the Giants instead.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 03, 2019, 03:04:54 PM
This is the complete list of signed UDFA's and Tryout players only (Tryout player are not under contract with the Packers at this moment). The draft choices and a handful of other players under contract are also taking part in the rookie mini camp, but they are all listed on the Packers roster. The Packers roster stands at 88 as we speak.

QB Manny Wilkins - Arizona State
QB Taylor Cornelius - Oklahoma State (Tryout)
QB CJ Collins - Southwestern Assemblies of God University (Tryout)

RB Taiwan Deal - Wisconsin (Tryout)

OL Yosh Nijman - Virginia Tech
OL Larry Williams - Oklahoma State
OL Casey Tucker - Arizona State (Tryout)

TE Davis Koppenhaver - Duke

FB/H-Back  Sam Seonbuchner - Iowa Sate (Tryout)

WR Matt Eaton - Iowa State
WR Darius Shepherd - North Dakota State University (Tryout)
WR Jamarius Way - South Alabama (Tryout)
WR Fred Trevillion - San Diego State (Tryout)
WR Cory Contini - Ohio Dominion (Tryout)

DL Omarius Bryant - Western Kentucky (Tryout)
DL Adrian Middleton - Kentucky (Tryout)
DL Sam Brincks - Iowa (Tryout)

EDGE Randy Ramsey - Arkansas
EDGE Greg Roberts - Baylor

LB Curtis Bolton - Oklahoma
LB Koron Crump - Arizona State Tryout)
LB Josh Smith - Vanderbilt (Tryout)

CB Kabion Ento - Colorado
CB Devonte Williams - Texas A&M Kingsville (Tryout)
CB Deion Harris - North Dakota (Tryout)

DB Javien Hamilton - Mississippi
DB Nydair Rouse - West Chester
DB Mike Bell - Fresno State (Tryout) 

K Cole Tracy - LSU (Tryout)

P Jake Collins - Northwestern (Tryout)

LS Patrick Eby - Columbia (Tryout)
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: marklawrence on May 03, 2019, 04:06:53 PM
I think we should give all the tryout players the number 12.

Aaron plays best when he's feeling paranoid.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: dannobanano on May 03, 2019, 04:59:17 PM
I think we should give all the tryout players the number 12.

Aaron plays best when he's feeling paranoid.

If that's the case, then give all the tryout guys #4
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 03, 2019, 05:21:30 PM
I believe Sternberger was suffering from no-contractitis today.

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LaFleur says Jace Sternberger had an illness today. Shouldn't be an issue tomorrow.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 03, 2019, 06:28:42 PM
I'm not sure Crump has signed w/ the Packers. I've seen it on some list but not on the official list. One UDFA I liked, Breckyn Hager edge guy from TX, hoping he would sign w/ the Pack...went to the Giants instead.


Crump is there on a tryout basis.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: ricky on May 03, 2019, 10:07:44 PM
Out of all these FA's and tryouts, odds are very, very good that at least one of them will make an impression in camp and make it onto the 53. Who will it be?
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 04, 2019, 05:42:18 AM
Out of all these FA's and tryouts, odds are very, very good that at least one of them will make an impression in camp and make it onto the 53. Who will it be?

Predicting who the players will be can be a bit tricky, but without a doubt there will be UDFA's on the opening day roster. Last year Tyler Lancaster would of been my first choice, but he needed to spend time on the PS before getting his chance on the 53. Tim Boyle, Raven Greene and Alex Light all 3 made the opening day roster and none of them looked to stand much of a chance when this list came out a year ago, Light was probably 3rd on the list of OL alone.

This year the most highly thought of prospects are probably OL Yosh Nijman, EDGE Greg Roberts, LB Curtis Bolton and QB Manny Wilkins. Nijman is facing a deep OL and may end up on the PS first. Roberts is probably the player with the clearest path to the 53, he simply needs to equal Kendall Donnerson and Reggie Gilbert to earn the 5th edge rushing LB spot. Bolton is a LB that plays with his hair on fire and with his ST's mentality to playing the game and the Packers lack of proven depth at ILB, I believe he has a fair chance as well of making the opening 53. Wilkins is the trickiest to visualize of this group, but who saw Boyle coming out of the QB group last year. Never say never.

Also their probably will be a DB emerge from this group, but who that will be is rather foggy at this time. Nydair Rouse may well be a sneaky prospect in that group, a 4 year player at Division II West Chester who lead his team to an undefeated regular season in the always tough Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference. After playing 3 seasons at safety and corner was switch to a hybrid LB last season, the Packers signed him as a DB, but is another that could surface because of his mental toughness and versatility.         
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: craig on May 04, 2019, 06:42:36 AM
I'm surprised at some of the groups. 
1.  I'd have thought RB would be an attractive spot for UDFA.  Only 2 carryover roster guys and a 6th rounder; and of course RB is a high injury-rate spot.  Would have thought self-confident UDFA would have seen GB as a great opportunity, one-injury away from a roster spot, if I can only out-impress whatever carryover practice squad guy(s) might be there. 

2.  Likewise I'd have though confident ILB guys would have been targetting the Packers as the camp-of-opportunity to go for. 

3.  CB too.  Packers aren't deep there at all, and that's a large position group with high injury-rates.  The chance of roster space there is really strong, for a self-confident CB.  Surprised they didn't sign any CB's other than tryouts, other than the WR-conversion guy who's obviously competing for PS spot, not for 53-man roster. 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: craig on May 04, 2019, 06:49:58 AM
I'm interested in U North Dakota CB Deion Harris, who was only signed to a tryout.  6'3", 200, sub-4.5 speed at one point.  As with so many guys, what they maybe ran once upon a time, and what they run now after perhaps years of college injuries, and after perhaps adding weight and strength may differ.  So maybe the 200-lb post-Achilles version doesn't run sub-4.5 anymore. 

But I think some of these guys who might not be the best prospect at Alabama and might not start as a freshman, maybe is clearly the best guy at UND, and gets tons of game experience starting right out as a freshman, plus maybe staying through senior year instead of leaving early; and perhaps a position coach who sees NFL talent perhaps invests lots of time in a guy, since there would be tons of satisfaction for a coach, (and selfish professional value, too) in being a coach who helped develop and prepare a kid for NFL success.  (And a really nice recruiting pitch, too; "we've had NFL guy Deion Harris in our program; we can get you ready for the NFL too...") 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 04, 2019, 08:28:21 AM
I'm interested in U North Dakota CB Deion Harris, who was only signed to a tryout.  6'3", 200, sub-4.5 speed at one point.  As with so many guys, what they maybe ran once upon a time, and what they run now after perhaps years of college injuries, and after perhaps adding weight and strength may differ.  So maybe the 200-lb post-Achilles version doesn't run sub-4.5 anymore. 

But I think some of these guys who might not be the best prospect at Alabama and might not start as a freshman, maybe is clearly the best guy at UND, and gets tons of game experience starting right out as a freshman, plus maybe staying through senior year instead of leaving early; and perhaps a position coach who sees NFL talent perhaps invests lots of time in a guy, since there would be tons of satisfaction for a coach, (and selfish professional value, too) in being a coach who helped develop and prepare a kid for NFL success.  (And a really nice recruiting pitch, too; "we've had NFL guy Deion Harris in our program; we can get you ready for the NFL too...")

That would be a nice story to follow as a regional guy for you craig.

Projecting from his pro day numbers, I wonder if a move inside to safety isn't in his future if he is going to have one in the NFL. He appears to have lost some of his speed, ran a 4.64/40. Measured 6'-2 1/8" and weighed in at 201 and added a 6.84 3-cone, so the size and short area quickness is there. One worth watching to see if he can grab one of the 2 available roster spots.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 04, 2019, 08:46:37 AM
I'm surprised at some of the groups. 
1.  I'd have thought RB would be an attractive spot for UDFA.  Only 2 carryover roster guys and a 6th rounder; and of course RB is a high injury-rate spot.  Would have thought self-confident UDFA would have seen GB as a great opportunity, one-injury away from a roster spot, if I can only out-impress whatever carryover practice squad guy(s) might be there. 

2.  Likewise I'd have though confident ILB guys would have been targetting the Packers as the camp-of-opportunity to go for. 

3.  CB too.  Packers aren't deep there at all, and that's a large position group with high injury-rates.  The chance of roster space there is really strong, for a self-confident CB.  Surprised they didn't sign any CB's other than tryouts, other than the WR-conversion guy who's obviously competing for PS spot, not for 53-man roster.

Agree with you about the ILB group, from the outside it does appear that there is a roster spot or two to be won at that position.

Not in total agreement with you on RB and CB, IMO I believe they are in fairly good shape at those positions barring a rash of injuries. Not saying that they can't add talent, just don't think prospects are lining up to get in those position rooms if other options are available with other teams.

A position you did not mention that is probably on par with ILB is the Safety position. The Packers typically keep 5 and a couple of years ago they kept 6 on the opening day 53. They signed Adrian Amos as a FA, drafted Darnell Savage and have two carryovers that probably have a strong likelihood of making the roster, but that is only 4 and behind them at this moment is only street FA Tray Matthews and a hodge-podge of UDFA's. There is room for someone to come in and win a job at the Safety position.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: dannobanano on May 04, 2019, 10:08:31 AM
Out of all these FA's and tryouts, odds are very, very good that at least one of them will make an impression in camp and make it onto the 53. Who will it be?
This year the most highly thought of prospects are probably OL Yosh Nijman, EDGE Greg Roberts, LB Curtis Bolton and QB Manny Wilkins. Nijman is facing a deep OL and may end up on the PS first. Roberts is probably the player with the clearest path to the 53, he simply needs to equal Kendall Donnerson and Reggie Gilbert to earn the 5th edge rushing LB spot. Bolton is a LB that plays with his hair on fire and with his ST's mentality to playing the game and the Packers lack of proven depth at ILB, I believe he has a fair chance as well of making the opening 53. Wilkins is the trickiest to visualize of this group, but who saw Boyle coming out of the QB group last year. Never say never.       

I agree on all these choices RT. Each has a realistic shot, and GB is noted as a team that gives equal opportunities to udfa's. 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: Hands on May 05, 2019, 01:40:21 PM
I agree with dannobanano, and RT in that all the UDFA will get fair shakes and chances to stick. I think what we are seeing is that more drafted guys are making the roster and leaving fewer spots available for these types of FAs. Gilbert is a prime example. He has had two years to make himself a valuable member of the defense. He hasn't done it. Before last year, Frack was in jeopardy to losing his roster spot to Gilbert. Frack came through and got 10 sacks. Gilbert could still make the team, but two new FA edge guys, Smiths, and last year's pick Donnerson along with Gary.....his path to a roster spot is very difficult.
As fans, we love the dark horse players, but this year's defense has limited the spots available on that side of the ball.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: craig on May 08, 2019, 09:19:10 AM
...U North Dakota CB Deion Harris

Projecting from his pro day numbers, I wonder if a move inside to safety isn't in his future if he is going to have one in the NFL. He appears to have lost some of his speed, ran a 4.64/40. Measured 6'-2 1/8" and weighed in at 201 and added a 6.84 3-cone, so the size and short area quickness is there. One worth watching to see if he can grab one of the 2 available roster spots.

Wow, that's terrible, I hadn't seen that.  No wonder he got only a tryout contract.  If with his current size and post-injury he can't run anymore, that's not going to be a compelling NFL prospect.  Too bad. 

I'd seen reference to "sub 4.5". 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 08, 2019, 01:41:29 PM
Here a look at the signing bonuses for the UDFA's, the amount spent probably is directly related to how badly the Packers wanted each player and why I believe Greg Roberts has a very good chance of making the opening day roster. This is from Rob Demovsky.
 

$7,000 signing bonus plus $65,000 of base salary guaranteed: Greg Roberts, LB.

$7,000 signing bonuses: Curtis Bolton, LB; Matthew Eaton, WR; Davis Koppenhaver, TE; Yosh Nijman, T; Randy Ramsey, LB; Manny Wilkins, QB.

$4,200: Javien Hamilton, CB.

$2,500: Kabion Ento, CB; Nydair Rouse, CB.

$2,000: Larry Williams, G.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: craig on May 09, 2019, 08:45:00 AM
RT, is it your understanding that the "base salary guaranteed" is unique to Roberts, and something we've never seen with past Packer UDFA? 

Or is that perhaps something that's often been true with guys in years past, and may also apply to several of the other $7K bonus boys? 

2nd Q:  What does that $65K correlate to?  Is that basically guaranteeing the salary of a 53-man-roster spot for a full season?  (Even if they don't actually carry him on the roster, he's still guaranteed that level of salary?) 

Or, is that perhaps what a full-season on the practice squad would get, maybe?  So he's not guaranteed a spot on the "63-man-roster", as MM would call it, but he's at least guaranteed that level of salary? 

3rd, there is normally a salary difference between practice squad and being on the actual 53-man roster, right? 
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 09, 2019, 09:30:30 AM
RT, is it your understanding that the "base salary guaranteed" is unique to Roberts, and something we've never seen with past Packer UDFA? 

Or is that perhaps something that's often been true with guys in years past, and may also apply to several of the other $7K bonus boys? 

2nd Q:  What does that $65K correlate to?  Is that basically guaranteeing the salary of a 53-man-roster spot for a full season?  (Even if they don't actually carry him on the roster, he's still guaranteed that level of salary?) 

Or, is that perhaps what a full-season on the practice squad would get, maybe?  So he's not guaranteed a spot on the "63-man-roster", as MM would call it, but he's at least guaranteed that level of salary? 

3rd, there is normally a salary difference between practice squad and being on the actual 53-man roster, right?

I do not recall the Packers ever giving a guaranteed base salary in the past, someone may prove me incorrect here, but I do not remember it ever happening. I look at this as Gute being spicy TT again, like last year drafting a CB a half inch to short or an OL who was not a 100% match to their guidelines. Gute broke from his operations of business to get a player he strongly coveted, the exception to the rule. Not the new rule.

A rookie minimum salary this season is 495K for a player on the 53, the minimum salary for a PS player last season was 7,600. a week or 129,200. for the full season (I have not seen what a PS salary is yet for 2019).

How the 65K guarantee is handled will depend on what Roberts roster status ends up as. If he make the 53 it does not change anything because after about 2 game checks he will have made more than the guarantee and the Packers are off the hook for nothing more than the 7K signing bonus like six others got. If the Packers release him after that the original 7K signing bonus will be prorated to dead money, but no penalty for the 65K. If he is cut coming out of training camp and moves on the 65K is paid and applied against the salary cap.

I may be miss reading this move, but I see it as Gute seeing a depth hole on the roster and thinks this is a UDFA with a strong chance to fill that spot. Again this may be me getting too far off the beaten path, but I believe this may tell us a little something about his thoughts on Kendall Donnerson and Reggie Gilbert. Has Donnerson not progressed and has Gilbert plateaued? Their is a reason why Gute broke from the normal and did what he did and it is not because he just felt like spending some money.     

           
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: dannobanano on May 09, 2019, 11:43:16 AM
https://totalpackers.com/2011/09/packers-hold-graham-harrell-in-somewhat-high-regard/

Packers paid Graham Harrell over $96K to keep him from getting poached off the practice squad.

It wasn’t up front money like Roberts, but it was a ton of money for a PS guy.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 10, 2019, 01:49:20 PM
Unless there is a position change for one of these guys, the tail-end of the OLBs should be a competition between Gilbert, Donnerson, Summers and Roberts.

Gilbert is a bigger guy, but his 40 time is a rather average 4.79 (especially for the Packers, who love the high RAS guys). Roberts is 1/10th faster. Fackrell is 4.72. Summers and Donnerson are (respectively) running 4.51 and 4.48, which is getting very fast for a linebacker. (especially Donnerson who goes 250lb, Summers is about 9lb lighter). Of course, speed is only one facet of the game, but you can't teach physical really, just 'speed in the head' (aka instincts).

If I were to make a WAG, I'd say Gilbert is gone, Roberts best hope is the practice squad, and Donnerson and Summers might make the 53, both being mostly on ST.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: dannobanano on May 10, 2019, 02:11:49 PM
Unless there is a position change for one of these guys, the tail-end of the OLBs should be a competition between Gilbert, Donnerson, Summers and Roberts.

Gilbert is a bigger guy, but his 40 time is a rather average 4.79 (especially for the Packers, who love the high RAS guys). Roberts is 1/10th faster. Fackrell is 4.72. Summers and Donnerson are (respectively) running 4.51 and 4.48, which is getting very fast for a linebacker. (especially Donnerson who goes 250lb, Summers is about 9lb lighter). Of course, speed is only one facet of the game, but you can't teach physical really, just 'speed in the head' (aka instincts).

If I were to make a WAG, I'd say Gilbert is gone, Roberts best hope is the practice squad, and Donnerson and Summers might make the 53, both being mostly on ST.

Summers was drafted to play ILB, so I wouldn't lump him into the group with these other players.

https://madison.com/wsj/sports/football/professional/packers-take-inside-linebacker-ty-summers-with-their-final-pick/article_11a60b9e-450b-574f-9ede-59a3bd18b822.html


Roberts was given a sizeable bonus at signing, so I think if all things were equal between him and Gilbert/Donnerson then Roberts gets the nod.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 10, 2019, 02:12:01 PM
Unless there is a position change for one of these guys, the tail-end of the OLBs should be a competition between Gilbert, Donnerson, Summers and Roberts.

Gilbert is a bigger guy, but his 40 time is a rather average 4.79 (especially for the Packers, who love the high RAS guys). Roberts is 1/10th faster. Fackrell is 4.72. Summers and Donnerson are (respectively) running 4.51 and 4.48, which is getting very fast for a linebacker. (especially Donnerson who goes 250lb, Summers is about 9lb lighter). Of course, speed is only one facet of the game, but you can't teach physical really, just 'speed in the head' (aka instincts).

If I were to make a WAG, I'd say Gilbert is gone, Roberts best hope is the practice squad, and Donnerson and Summers might make the 53, both being mostly on ST.

That is very interesting that you think that Summers is an Edge player in Pettine's defense, not saying that you are wrong, but all the film I've watched of him screams ILB for the Packers. The battle between Gilbert, Donnerson and Roberts should be an competitive one to watch and it may be for one roster spot. IMHO
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: OneTwoSixFive on May 11, 2019, 01:35:16 AM
You saw Clay Matthews move from outside to inside linebacker and be successful. The same could happen to some of these guys, especially the faster ones. Some might even be cross-trained. these guys are all over 240lb. Summers, at just 241lb could easily be seen as an inside guy, since he is quick and on the lighter side, as Packers edge rushers go. Gary is 277 (a hybrid DE/OLB really), Gilbert 261, Donnerson 249, Greg Roberts 258, Preston and Za'Darius are 265 and 272.

Burks, Crawford, Ramsey, Sheldon, are all in the 230's according to the Packers own website (that might change at the TC weigh-in, or they might not bother changing anything), so it's tough to project any of those guys to OLB.
Title: Re: UDFA's
Post by: RT on May 12, 2019, 06:36:18 AM
A few notes on some of the UDFA's from PFF, a little get to know who they are.

Randy Ramsey missed only (2) tackles last season for Arkansas.  Ramsey was the 3rd most efficient tackler on the team with a minimum of 400 defensive snaps. One of the reasons I am projecting a move to ILB for him.

Kabion Ento logged the 5th most special teams snaps for Colorado last season.  Ento mainly logged snaps on KR, PR, and punt coverage as a gunner. The Packers are converting him from WR to CB and if he is going to stick as the 7th CB it will probably be because he stands out on ST's.

Curtis Bolton was PFF"s 3rd highest graded pass-rusher among 297 total off the ball LB's in college last season with a minimum 500 snaps.  Bolton's 29 total pressures led the Sooners in 2018.

Matthew Eaton caught 48 out of 51 catchable targets during his two seasons at Iowa St.  Eaton's 16 first down receptions were the third most on the team in 2018. He is a late bloomer who was behind a lot of talent at Iowa State, another dark horse in the race for WR spots.

Greg Roberts was the 13th most efficient tackler in the entire Big XII last season with at least 450 defensive snaps.  Roberts had the 3rd highest tackling efficiency against the run among Big XII EDGE rushers as well with the same snap threshold. Is a theme forming about tackling?

Manny Wilkins was the 21st most accurate passer under pressure among all QB's in 2018 with a 61.8 accuracy % (min. 350 drop-backs).

Wilkins was also one of the more difficult to sack while pressured last season. His 14.1% Sack % Under Pressure ranked 9/28 among draft eligible QB's with a minimum 350 drop-backs.

Javien Hamilton finished his Ole Miss career allowing a passer rating of 64.1 and a catch rate of 50.0% (23/46) to go along with (3) INT's and (3) pass breakups.

Rookie Free Agent TE Davis Koppenhaver from Duke was targeted 71 times during his college career, catching 49 passes for 431 yards and 12 TD's.  Koppenhaver also provided a passer rating of 124.5 when targeted.

Rookie OT Yosh Nijman of Va. Tech played all 639 snaps at RT allowing (12) total pressures and (1) sack in 2018.  In his previous three seasons, Nijman logged 1,844 snaps at LT and another 18 as a inline TE.

Rookie Larry Williams of Oklahoma State split snaps at both Guard positions during the first two games of the season in 2018 before settling in at RG the rest of the way.  Williams graded higher as a pass-blocker than as a run-blocker last season.

Newly signed UDFA Darrius Shepherd of North Dakota St. led all draft eligible WR's from the slot in YPRR with 3.73 (min 150 snaps).