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Offline SSG

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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2015, 07:44:56 AM »
Greg Hardy was CONVICTED. See the difference?

Hardy was convicted by a judge. He was then given the chance for a jury trial on the same charge. The charges were then dismissed because he had a settlement with the accuser. Again, in both cases, money was exchanged for a dismissal of the charges. In the case of Guion, it was "restitution". For Hardy it was a "settlement". In both cases, it was an exchange of money for getting the charges dismissed. See the similarity?
But Hardy was convicted. Was Guion ever convicted?

You can't cherry pick facts to push your agenda and think people won't notice.

He's not really cherry picking facts though.  If you pull up their police records right now how many convictions do both Hardy and Guion currently have?  Zero.  You can speculate why neither player has a conviction for it despite being arrested for it (arrested for it TWICE in Guion's case) but it's just speculation.  Seeing that you've already stated that Guion is the victim here in this situation it doesn't surprise me that you are advocating for him.  Maybe you are right and he's done nothing wrong.  Its just a corrupt police report chasing after the innocent "boy scout".
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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #31 on: November 02, 2015, 10:03:13 AM »
Total hack job. The cowboys never saw a troubled player they didn't like, and couldn't care less about character risks.  Green Bay occasionally gives someone a second chance, typically with low risk.

This sums it up well. Everyone looking for the needle in the haystack to highlight as the Packers' high risk, high reward problem is grasping at straws. It's a stupid argument that proves nothing and isn't productive at all. The only "problem child" they've given a chance to with very high risk is Charles Woodson, which turned out wonderfully. Lyerla? No risk, and if works out they look like geniuses. Guion? That's working out pretty well.

McGinn just takes it over the top like he always does. He looks for any excuse to shit on the Packers. They could go 19-0, be first in literally every statistical category, and still manage to write an article full of negative things. He's always looking for a black mark.

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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #32 on: November 02, 2015, 02:21:31 PM »

McGinn just takes it over the top like he always does. He looks for any excuse to shit on the Packers. They could go 19-0, be first in literally every statistical category, and still manage to write an article full of negative things. He's always looking for a black mark.

I didn't read the J-S back then, but did he do this to Wolf, or does he just not like Thompson?
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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #33 on: November 05, 2015, 10:53:14 AM »
The JS is apparently all-in with their Packers feud now.  Funny.

This morning in their emailed "Packers Update", they included 4 Packers related stories, and, for the first time I can ever remember, an AP story completely unconcerned with the Packers.  That story?  "After joining Broncos, Vernon Davis has gallop back".

I guess they're subtly reminding Packers fans that TT didn't get Davis.

It's game on now!

Personally I hope the JS loses, to the extent there can be a loser in this battle of egos.

They really will never understand that they're not the story.

And they did start it.  That Cohen article was journalistic garbage, period.
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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #34 on: November 05, 2015, 11:21:20 AM »
The JS is apparently all-in with their Packers feud now.  Funny.

This morning in their emailed "Packers Update", they included 4 Packers related stories, and, for the first time I can ever remember, an AP story completely unconcerned with the Packers.  That story?  "After joining Broncos, Vernon Davis has gallop back".

I guess they're subtly reminding Packers fans that TT didn't get Davis.

It's game on now!

Personally I hope the JS loses, to the extent there can be a loser in this battle of egos.

They really will never understand that they're not the story.

And they did start it.  That Cohen article was journalistic garbage, period.

Nah.  This is just confirmation bias.  In McGinn's chat yesterday, most of the questions were about how much the Packers suck and McGinn repeated over and over that they are a good team, have good management, and still have a legit shot at winning the Super Bowl.  Silverstein constantly ridicules the overly-negative fans on his game day blogs.  Cohen is a pup and is just trying to be a 'journalist'.  No over-arching conspiracy here, maybe just the editors trying to sell clicks.

The story in itself wasn't that bad (NO one has disputed any of the facts in it), but the timing and the motive behind whoever was pimping that story to a number of WI sports writers is certainly questionable.

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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #35 on: November 05, 2015, 12:19:48 PM »
The JS is apparently all-in with their Packers feud now.  Funny.

This morning in their emailed "Packers Update", they included 4 Packers related stories, and, for the first time I can ever remember, an AP story completely unconcerned with the Packers.  That story?  "After joining Broncos, Vernon Davis has gallop back".

I guess they're subtly reminding Packers fans that TT didn't get Davis.

It's game on now!

Personally I hope the JS loses, to the extent there can be a loser in this battle of egos.

They really will never understand that they're not the story.

And they did start it.  That Cohen article was journalistic garbage, period.

Nah.  This is just confirmation bias.


If you think that, then you need to think harder.  Maybe read my post again.  Did you have an alternative explanation for why JS would include a non-Packers story about how good Vernon Davis looks in Denver, in their "Packers Update"?  Obviously, it's to troll Packers fans, try to incite a bit of jealousy or outrage that our notoriously stingy GM never even inquired about him.

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In McGinn's chat yesterday, most of the questions were about how much the Packers suck and McGinn repeated over and over that they are a good team, have good management, and still have a legit shot at winning the Super Bowl.  Silverstein constantly ridicules the overly-negative fans on his game day blogs.  Cohen is a pup and is just trying to be a 'journalist'.  No over-arching conspiracy here, maybe just the editors trying to sell clicks.

Did I say there was a conspiracy?  But if you don't see some bad blood, between what McCarthy said about Cohen's article ("garbage"), to McGinn's response ("Packers are just another team with no standards beyond winning"), to Rob Davis "intimidating" Cohen, to Sitton not talking to the media if Cohen is in the group, to this little dig in the Packers Update email, then you're just refusing to look.

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The story in itself wasn't that bad (NO one has disputed any of the facts in it), but the timing and the motive behind whoever was pimping that story to a number of WI sports writers is certainly questionable.

It was "look at me" journalism and I'm not the only one to think that.  Even Cohen's fellow journalists hardly have his back on this one, and they tend to stick together.  The only people who have his back are his direct co-workers at JS.

The young boy just misread the social signals, is all.  It's ok, typical immature viewpoint.  He mistook the NFL's fake concern with domestic violence, which is designed to pander not to real football fans, but to people who are ambivalent towards football, with something that would play to an audience of hard core Packers fans, who read Packers coverage.
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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #36 on: November 05, 2015, 01:12:36 PM »
If you think that, then you need to think harder.  Maybe read my post again.  Did you have an alternative explanation for why JS would include a non-Packers story about how good Vernon Davis looks in Denver, in their "Packers Update"?  Obviously, it's to troll Packers fans, try to incite a bit of jealousy or outrage that our notoriously stingy GM never even inquired about him.

I read your post again.  It said "That Cohen article was journalistic garbage, period".  Then this post said "The young boy just misread the social signals, is all.  It's ok, typical immature viewpoint."  The first point I didn't and don't agree with and the second I do.  There is a chasm between those sentiments.  The piece was not 'garbage', it raises legitimate concerns about a Packers players off-field behavior.  As I alluded to originally, I think (as you mentioned other sports writers, do as well), the article was overly-influenced by someone who could probably benefit with this info being out there--but it doesn't make it any less true.  I also think the writers would be rallying a bit more if it were a more experienced writer (ie, one they knew better).

Did I say there was a conspiracy?  But if you don't see some bad blood, between what McCarthy said about Cohen's article ("garbage"), to McGinn's response ("Packers are just another team with no standards beyond winning"), to Rob Davis "intimidating" Cohen, to Sitton not talking to the media if Cohen is in the group, to this little dig in the Packers Update email, then you're just refusing to look.

There is definitely bad blood, I didn't say there wasn't.  But you blame the paper and I blame the Packers over-reaction.  I still don't think the VD article was a 'dig'.  Why would they take a 'dig' like that and then the next day (same day?) in the chat be super complimentary?  VD was mentioned many times as a potential target for Green Bay, mentioning where he ended up isn't way off-topic.

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Re: Packer organization no different?
« Reply #37 on: November 05, 2015, 03:19:21 PM »
There is definitely bad blood, I didn't say there wasn't.  But you blame the paper and I blame the Packers over-reaction.  I still don't think the VD article was a 'dig'. 

A puff-piece about how cloud 9 Davis is to be in Denver, and how great he looks in practice, before he's even played a down there, has exactly one obvious motivation.  You can claim not to see it but I think you probably do.

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Why would they take a 'dig' like that and then the next day (same day?) in the chat be super complimentary?  VD was mentioned many times as a potential target for Green Bay, mentioning where he ended up isn't way off-topic.

You got me there.  Clearly, if someone at JS wanted to do some subtle trolling of the fanbase with the Davis article link, it would also mean that every writer there would be publicly shouting about how horrible the Packers were.  Because losing all credibility is exactly the way to win a battle of egos.

By the way, of all the local beat writers for the Packers, exactly one has a pinned tweet at the top of his twitter feed, linking to his own story.  Michael Cohen, linking to his Guion story.

He really thinks it's important work.  Dude is a narcissist and it'll be about him for as long as he's writing about the Packers.  I hope not too long.
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