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Offline DWhitehurst

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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #15 on: September 06, 2014, 09:24:03 AM »
4-3 or 3-4 doesn't matter if your defense is playing like a bunch of pussies unwilling to match physicality with smash mouth teams and bring down the man at point of contact no matter how much it hurts to do so. Obviously scheme does matter, but if that's all that matters, then we could just as well give them soccer jerseys and teach them a 4-4-2 Diamond formation and puff up their chests when they slide tackle or bite someone. Sorry for the hyperbole, but while scheme matters, without inspired play it doesn't matter in the end. (Says Captain Obvious)

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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2014, 10:57:12 AM »
Offseason or no offseason tackling - clearly the coaching staff doesn't put enough emphasis or practice time into it.  Seattle players have it down to muscle memory.  Green Bay players don't.  The best tackling players we have CAME IN as good tacklers:  See Hyde, Micah and Matthews, Clay.

I don't blame Clinton-Dix for not being able to take down Lynch because he is a rookie and Lynch is a beast. Lynch knows how to get away from smaller guys.

HA HA will be just fine, but like Sharper and other guys before him, he will need to grow into the position and learning to tackle will be one of the things he will get better at.

I don't think you get it.  Ha Ha STOPPED his feet when he approached the ball carrier multiple times.  He lets the offensive player initiate contact.  That is not how a safety is supposed to play the game.  Run THROUGH the near hip.  That's exactly how he let the Seattle WR jump around a tackle in the open field for the TD.  Track the ball carrier through his near hip.  This is something that Seattle POUNDS into its players.  This is something that has been lacking in GB since MM got here.  Tackling has always been an issue under MM.  Lombardi would puke if he saw the lack of technique on display Thursday night.  Then he would go after MM relentlessly. 

If you can't see the difference in tackling between GB and Seattle then you need to watch more football.  GB missed 11 tackles because they clearly don't spend enough time on it in practice. 

"Just fine" isn't good enough, folks.  Excellence was on display Thursday night - and it wasn't wearing a white jersey. 


**Edit  - Check that 11 missed tackle statistic.  According to PFF via Demovsky, GB missed 16 blasted tackles.   That. Is. A. Big. Deal.
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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2014, 11:21:32 AM »
Great couple of posts cheech.

I thought the tackling and Rodgers' INT were the main differences in that game.

I was glad to hear that tackling was the first issue McCarthy brought up and addressed in yesterday's press conference, but you're right:  there is a history of poor tackling under McCarthy's watch.  They improved drastically in that era in 2012, but they regressed again last year, and one game in, it's not looking much better.
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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2014, 11:43:47 AM »

* Practice tackling year round.  MM admitted that his players didn't run through the near hip.  Guess who's fault that is?  The coaching.  If you want them to do it every time - like Seattle does - you MUST make it a culture.  DC needs to forget about the fancy pants blitzes and scheme that he'll use 5 times a year and focus MUCH MORE of his practice time on something that needs to happen every play - tackling.  Seattle is so stinkin' proud of how they do it that they posted a video on how they practice it on the bottom of their web page.  Fundamentals have always been an issue under MM's tenure.  That falls on him.  Seattle does it year round - even w/o helmets.  That is Lombardi-esque.  If Clinton-Dix were in the Seattle camp we wouldn't have seen those missed tackles. 
You do remember the Seahawks got fined $300,000 and lost practices for violating the no-contact rules in the CBA right? You can ask for tacking year round, but the CBA says it won't happen. Unless you cheat like the Seahawks.


Sure seems like 300k well spent if you ask me.
  And if they keep doing it, the fines will get larger and they will lose more practices.  I don't want the packers to be cheating scumbags like Carroll.

One way to stop this nonsense is not with fines or losing practices.  How about losing draft picks?

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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2014, 11:57:10 AM »
Or, stop letting the inmates run the asylum and get the players to agree to real practices again - make it legal for everyone.

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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2014, 12:15:37 PM »
Offseason or no offseason tackling - clearly the coaching staff doesn't put enough emphasis or practice time into it.  Seattle players have it down to muscle memory.  Green Bay players don't.  The best tackling players we have CAME IN as good tacklers:  See Hyde, Micah and Matthews, Clay.

I don't blame Clinton-Dix for not being able to take down Lynch because he is a rookie and Lynch is a beast. Lynch knows how to get away from smaller guys.

HA HA will be just fine, but like Sharper and other guys before him, he will need to grow into the position and learning to tackle will be one of the things he will get better at.

I don't think you get it.  Ha Ha STOPPED his feet when he approached the ball carrier multiple times.  He lets the offensive player initiate contact.  That is not how a safety is supposed to play the game.  Run THROUGH the near hip.  That's exactly how he let the Seattle WR jump around a tackle in the open field for the TD. 


I hate it when I'm right on negatives. Below is what I said about Dix after the draft, which I got criticized for saying and hence why I now feel I deserve a cookie. ;) Mind you, it's not so much about his ability to tackle/improve tackling--I know he can. It's just a matter of whether he really wants to (i.e., whether he has the balls to do it right.)
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Dix won't be blowing up RB's in the running game, and don't expect him to be a form tackler or hitter/thumper (but neither is Pryor, who is just a thumper/hitter, who misses as often as he connects). But as for pass coverage, Dix should be reliable and reliability in pass coverage, of being where you need to be and getting to where you need to get, was what we lacked/needed. I also like that he is a true 6'1 guy.  Despite his weaknesses on run defense, his strengths in pass defense make him a better fit for what Green Bay needed than the strengths of what Pryor, Bucannon, or Ward had. (Ward lacked both height and size to go up against the Johnsons/Marshalls/Jeffreys of our division.)
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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2014, 12:23:48 PM »
Got to agree with both of Cheech's comments.  I don't make a lot comments on here as I watch football but do not know all the defensive alignments that everyone else seems to know on here.  With regards to sports, my expertise is coaching basketball and being a golf instructor.  That said, I especially watched both Sherrod and Guion during the Seattle game.  Guion was suppose to eat up blockers but in reality Max Unger had his way with him on every play.  Even Daniels and Jones were being pushed around .. not as much as Guion but this allowed Seattle to get two more blockers to the second level on Jones and Hawk.  Neither BJones or Hawks are fast enough to get away from those blocks or strong enough to disengage from those blocks .. BJones especially!   As much as I am hearing a few people calling for Capers head, I am not sure what he is suppose to do with this lack of talent especially with Raji being down.  However, Burnett covering Percy Harvin left me shaking my head.  Why wasn't Pennel active for the Seattle game?  If this trend continues, then I do not see a problem with trying Barrington and/or Lattimore in the middle.  Also, someone has to step up at the nose tackle.  Let's please keep Pennel active for the Jets game.   

Furthermore, I like TT and I understand that the most talented ILB were taken prior to our selection at 21, and we have to resign our guys and have to watch how we spend our money and cannot go out and get a top ILB.  Plus, teams just do not let their good ILB walk.  I just do not know what def coordinator could make the Packers into a 'top five defense' with Hawk and BJones in the middle.  It order for the Packers to have a top tier defense then TT needs to address this weakness. 

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Re: Those Pounding The Table and Calling for the 4/3 Defense Got Their Wish...
« Reply #22 on: September 06, 2014, 12:38:10 PM »
  I don't make a lot comments on here as I watch football but do not know all the defensive alignments that everyone else seems to know on here. 

You may not post much, but you sure have a good read on posters here. We really know our stuff.
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