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Packers Moving Graham
« on: April 20, 2019, 09:59:23 AM »
Was going through some of the draft rumors and articles this morning and found this little tidbit.

If the Cardinals indeed spend the first overall pick on Kyler Murray, Josh Rosen likely will be dealt at some point over the next week or so ... but that you already knew. One of the best ways to glean which other vets could be available is by identifying other clubs with new coaching staffs and schemes. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers seem willing to move Pro Bowl DT Gerald McCoy. The Green Bay Packers probably are all ears on offers involving TE Jimmy Graham. The Cleveland Browns almost certainly are motivated to move RB Duke Johnson.

I wasn't impressed with Graham last year and would be interested in moving him and Daniels. 

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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #1 on: April 20, 2019, 12:03:12 PM »
Was going through some of the draft rumors and articles this morning and found this little tidbit.

I wasn't impressed with Graham last year and would be interested in moving him and Daniels.

OK, possibly Graham, though other GB TE's have complained that MM's system was not friendly to TE's. But, for the sake of argument, despite the dead cap of $9 million, and in spite of the team not really having a proven pass catching TE other than Graham, sure, maybe. But "move Daniels"? He is on the last year of his contract. His dead cap would be approximately $8.3 million. What would be the purpose? Draft picks this year or next year? Because they would probably be in the fifth round or above (no actual proof, just a strong hunch). Why not keep him around, draft a replacement or hope for some development of guys on the roster, and then either (a) re-sign him to a veteran minimum contract, or (b) let him go next year with no cap consequences? Because neither of these guys is particularly attractive "trade bait".
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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #2 on: April 20, 2019, 12:03:28 PM »
Damn, I got click baited on a Packers forum thread. Actually kind of funny, well played I guess.

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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #3 on: April 20, 2019, 10:29:53 PM »
Can we quit already with the Graham hate? He was going to break packer TE records until he broke a thumb. Try catching balls from a quarterback who can leave welts on your hands with a broken thumb. And they really didnt appear to scheme plays for him either. He isnt the downfield threat he was in NO, but he can be a huge guy for moving the sticks and in the red zone if we use him properly. Something MLF will probably do better than MM.
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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #4 on: April 21, 2019, 07:50:49 AM »
I just hope he gets better on contested balls.  He should dominate the jump ball, he didnt and it was noticable.  I hope he works on it a lot in camp because he needs to make those catches.

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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #5 on: April 21, 2019, 09:13:39 PM »
I just hope he gets better on contested balls.  He should dominate the jump ball, he didnt and it was noticable.  I hope he works on it a lot in camp because he needs to make those catches.

I dont remember a ton of designed jump balls for him, at least that were placed in good spots. I do remember Rodgers just chucking it to him to avoid a sack or throw away, when Graham usually was double- covered on a short field. That's tough no matter who you are. I think if they really bring a new offense, he will have a good year.
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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2019, 08:43:03 AM »
Another article listing Graham as a potential candidate to move:

It's not uncommon for a team to draft a successor for a player and then trade that incumbent starter. Squads are not only looking to clear cap space and add picks for veterans during the draft, but they are also looking to find playing time for their rookies.

One such situation that could play out this year is with Jimmy Graham of the Green Bay Packers. Though the Packers gave Graham his roster bonus for the 2019 season, it wouldn't be a shock if they moved on from him after acquiring his replacement.

The Packers hold the Nos. 12 and No. 30 picks in the first round, and they could select a tight end. Iowa's T.J. Hockenson would be a logical pick at No. 12 if he lasts that long, as he'd fit perfectly in Matt LaFleur's offense. He can help in both the running and passing game—unlike Graham, who has never been known for his blocking and is declining as a receiver.


There are some salary-cap implications that could make a trade difficult, but don't be surprised if Graham is at least mentioned during trade talks at the draft.

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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2019, 12:35:10 PM »
There are some salary-cap implications that could make a trade difficult, but don't be surprised if Graham is at least mentioned during trade talks at the draft.

So, what team would want Graham? Buffalo comes to mind, since the need a TE, but what would they give up? And since GB paid the signing bonus, does that mean they're on the hook for the entire $9 million]+ cap hit if he's traded? These are serious questions. I am not against trading Graham, but you need a trade partner, and a clear understanding of what the salary cap implications would be.

EDIT: Looked it up. A lot depends on when the trade takes place, but apparently the cap hit on the Packers could be reduced if it happens before some other contract obligations to Graham occur. Or maybe not. As the article ends, "Clear as mud."

From Super Bowl Nation:

Trades
Sometimes, players are traded away, and this affects the salary cap in much the same way as a cut or a retirement. The team from which a player is traded is no longer on the hook for unpaid salaries or future bonuses, but is still responsible for accounting for any bonuses that have already been paid. That may just be remaining, prorated signing bonus money, but it can also include things like a roster bonus that was paid at the beginning of the current league year. Again, this all depends heavily on when the player is traded.

However, the big accounting difference in a trade is that, when a player is traded, the team is still getting something back in return for the player. Typically, this is one or more other players, so those players' salaries would then be counted against the acquiring team's salary cap. The incoming players' prorated bonuses, however, continue to stay with their previous team.

There you go -- clear as mud.
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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2019, 01:51:00 PM »
There are some salary-cap implications that could make a trade difficult, but don't be surprised if Graham is at least mentioned during trade talks at the draft.

So, what team would want Graham? Buffalo comes to mind, since the need a TE, but what would they give up? And since GB paid the signing bonus, does that mean they're on the hook for the entire $9 million]+ cap hit if he's traded? These are serious questions. I am not against trading Graham, but you need a trade partner, and a clear understanding of what the salary cap implications would be.

EDIT: Looked it up. A lot depends on when the trade takes place, but apparently the cap hit on the Packers could be reduced if it happens before some other contract obligations to Graham occur. Or maybe not. As the article ends, "Clear as mud."

From Super Bowl Nation:

Trades
Sometimes, players are traded away, and this affects the salary cap in much the same way as a cut or a retirement. The team from which a player is traded is no longer on the hook for unpaid salaries or future bonuses, but is still responsible for accounting for any bonuses that have already been paid. That may just be remaining, prorated signing bonus money, but it can also include things like a roster bonus that was paid at the beginning of the current league year. Again, this all depends heavily on when the player is traded.

However, the big accounting difference in a trade is that, when a player is traded, the team is still getting something back in return for the player. Typically, this is one or more other players, so those players' salaries would then be counted against the acquiring team's salary cap. The incoming players' prorated bonuses, however, continue to stay with their previous team.

There you go -- clear as mud.

ricky..............Over The Cap makes it clear as crystal, regarding trading Graham.

Trade him before June 1st............$7.33M dead money...........$5.33M cap savings
Trade him after June 1st..............$3.66M dead money...........$9M cap savings

I seriously doubt if another team would trade for Graham and also give a player to GB. Those trade seldom happen these days.

Getting a draft pick in 2020 would be the most likely acquisition in a trade. But don't get your hopes up for a high pick. Best I could see would be a 5th rounder, maybe 4th if I'm being overly optimistic.

Don't hold your breath on this rumor having any traction. It's covered in WD-40.

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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2019, 02:44:01 PM »
ricky..............Over The Cap makes it clear as crystal, regarding trading Graham.

Trade him before June 1st............$7.33M dead money...........$5.33M cap savings
Trade him after June 1st..............$3.66M dead money...........$9M cap savings

I seriously doubt if another team would trade for Graham and also give a player to GB. Those trade seldom happen these days.

Getting a draft pick in 2020 would be the most likely acquisition in a trade. But don't get your hopes up for a high pick. Best I could see would be a 5th rounder, maybe 4th if I'm being overly optimistic.

Don't hold your breath on this rumor having any traction. It's covered in WD-40.

Thank you. I see now that a trade is possible, in theory. Besides, this entire scenario is fan generated; the team has not indicated in any way, shape or form that they want to get rid of Graham. In fact, he could well be a terrific mentor (if he wants to be) to a draft choice from this year.Now, trading Daniels- that is an entirely different kettle of fish.



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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2019, 03:53:21 PM »
Was going through some of the draft rumors and articles this morning and found this little tidbit.

If the Cardinals indeed spend the first overall pick on Kyler Murray, Josh Rosen likely will be dealt at some point over the next week or so ... but that you already knew. One of the best ways to glean which other vets could be available is by identifying other clubs with new coaching staffs and schemes. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers seem willing to move Pro Bowl DT Gerald McCoy. The Green Bay Packers probably are all ears on offers involving TE Jimmy Graham. The Cleveland Browns almost certainly are motivated to move RB Duke Johnson.

I wasn't impressed with Graham last year and would be interested in moving him and Daniels.

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Re: Packers Moving Graham
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2019, 03:54:15 PM »
Damn, I got click baited on a Packers forum thread. Actually kind of funny, well played I guess.

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